Date: Mon, 14 Feb 94 04:30:02 PST
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TCP-Group Digest Mon, 14 Feb 94 Volume 94 : Issue 41
Today's Topics:
CP IT9LCY: REGENERATIVE REPEATERS
Euro ISDN-2 (3 msgs)
JNOS problems
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TCP-Group Digest V94 #40
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Date: Sun, 13 Feb 1994 13:48:09 +0100 (MET)
From: IT9LCY%PI8VNW@pa2aga.igg.tno.nl
Subject: CP IT9LCY: REGENERATIVE REPEATERS
To: TCPAGA@igg512ke.igg.tno.nl
R:940212/1352Z @:PI8VNW.#ZH2.NLD.EU [Hoek v Holland] #:20530 Op:PE0MAR
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From: IT9LCY@IW9CNZ.CT.ITA.EU
To : TCPAGA@PI8VNW.#ZH2.NLD.EU
Original from IT9LCY to ALL@WW
Hi all,
do you know what is and how does a regenerative repeater work?
I've read several mails concerning this mysterious thing, but unfortunately,
none of them explained its action. Can you help me?
Thanks in advance.
73 de IT9LCY
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* Giuseppe Distefano - IT9LCY | Packet: it9lcy@iw9cnz.ct.ita.eu *
* SMTP: it9lcy@ir9cta.ampr.org | IP address: 44.134.112.57 *
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Date: Mon, 14 Feb 1994 01:15:09 -0800
From: Phil Karn <karn@qualcomm.com>
Subject: Euro ISDN-2
To: jack@victron.nl
Ask the Japanese. Ask the Europeans. In fact, ask just about everybody
but us Americans. Here ISDN has been an almost complete flop for these
and other reasons:
1. ISDN is only available in a smattering of US locations.
2. It's expensive. Very expensive. Both for the equipment and the
telco charges (installation and usage - some automatically charge
per-minute business rates even for local calls).
3. POTS is relatively cheap in the US. Unlimited free local calls are
available in most US cities if you pay a little more for a "flat rate"
line.
4. Low cost, high speed modems are widely available in the US, without
any telco interconnect hassles. V.32bis is widespread, V.34 ("V.FAST"
at 28.8 kb/s) just came out and the prices are already starting to
drop rapidly.
5. The US telcos are utterly clueless when it comes to data.
(Okay, so this last one isn't unique to the US!)
In the one case I know something about (Japan), residential ISDN is
priced at the same rates as analog POTS. And there are no free local
calls, so there's an incentive to use connect time as efficiently as
possible. So I understand that IP-over-ISDN has become popular
there. Even ISDN pay phones are fairly common.
Phil
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Date: Mon, 14 Feb 1994 11:07:07 CET
From: "Jack Stiekema" <JACK@vic1.victron.nl>
Subject: Euro ISDN-2
To: Phil Karn <karn@qualcomm.com>, tcp-group@ucsd.edu
Phil Karn KA9Q wrote:
Jack Stiekema PE0MOT answered:
->1. ISDN is only available in a smattering of US locations.
In holland every big city, 1995 everwhere.
it's heavily subsidsed by the European Community.
GSM and ISDN will be implemented before 1997 in every corner.
->2. It's expensive. Very expensive. Both for the equipment and the
->telco charges (installation and usage - some automatically charge
->per-minute business rates even for local calls).
$300 entry, $20 a month, charge per second!!
equipment is on the moment expensive, but pricing drops very fast
->3. POTS is relatively cheap in the US. Unlimited free local calls are
->available in most US cities if you pay a little more for a "flat rate"
->line.
what's a POTS
->4. Low cost, high speed modems are widely available in the US, without
->any telco interconnect hassles. V.32bis is widespread, V.34 ("V.FAST"
->at 28.8 kb/s) just came out and the prices are already starting to
->drop rapidly.
v32bis is standard, v34 will be accepted in 1995, 2x64k with isdn is
available
->5. The US telcos are utterly clueless when it comes to data.
same in europ, but whe have the EC (i thought Bill is building a data
higway also?)
->priced at the same rates as analog POTS. And there are no free local
->calls, so there's an incentive to use connect time as efficiently as
Also in Europ, it's only cheap as fast back-up or once-a-while
datalines above 50 miles.
->Phil
Thanks Phil.
Kind regards,
Jack
+----------------------------------------------------+
| Victron bv POB 31 9700 AA Groningen Holland |
| phone: +31 50 446222 fax: +31 50 424107 |
+----------------------------------------------------+
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Date: Mon, 14 Feb 1994 03:01:32 -0800
From: Phil Karn <karn@qualcomm.com>
Subject: Euro ISDN-2
To: jack@victron.nl
POTS = Plain Old (analog) Telephone Service
Phil
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Date: Mon, 14 Feb 1994 00:06 +0200
From: "Miroslav Skoric, SysOp in YU7B, Novi Sad" <etfbg!SKORIC%UNSIM>
Subject: JNOS problems
To: fon!tcp-group@ucsd.edu
Hello everybody...
I have received a couple of msgs as answer to my first question about the
configuration of JNOS packet/internet bbs. One more time, I'm trying to be
more specific.
My JNOS only works as normal packet station on the TNC and radio side. But,
I don't know how to use the attach commands in autoexec.net in order to
configure it properly for using with internal modem card for telephone line.
I tried to make it as slip or ppp interface, but I'm not sure if it is ok?
And, of course, how to check it and how to dial a remote system wanted. I hope
it could be possible to use JNOS as, for example, some other comm software for
calling a local internet computer, couldn't it...?
73 de Misko, YT7MPB@YU7B.SRB.YUG.EU -or-
skoric%unsim%etfbg%fon.uucp@moumee.calstatela.edu
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Date: Sun, 13 Feb 94 15:11:28 CDT
From: Jack Spitznagel <jks@jspitznagel.utmem.edu>
Subject: None
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Jack Spitznagel | D ivision of Bogometrics,
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(901) 528-6441 | Advanced Studies
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Date: Mon, 14 Feb 94 05:21:33 GMT
From: wa3dsp@wa3dsp.ampr.org
Subject: TCP-Group Digest V94 #40
To: TCP-Group@UCSD.EDU
To Roman - who asked if internal slip worked. Yes it does and that
fact that you are receiving this proves it! I have two JNOS machines
back-to-back running slip - This is version 1.09 or 108df - works
fine at 9600 baud. I have also been meaning to try the slip compression
but have not gotten around to it yet.
Please reply to TCP group or crompton@nadc.nadc.navy.mil
Doug
Doug Crompton, WA3DSP
AX25: WA3DSP@WA3TSW.#EPA.PA.USA
WA3DSP@WA3DSP.#EPA.PA.USA
amprnet: wa3dsp@wa3dsp.ampr.org
Internet: crompton@nadc.nadc.navy.mil
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