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TCP-Group Digest Fri, 3 Dec 93 Volume 93 : Issue 311
Today's Topics:
Germans (2 msgs)
IP in the open
Phil's a busy boy!!!
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Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1993 19:59:24 -0600 (CST)
From: ssampson@sabea-oc.af.mil (Steve Sampson)
Subject: Germans
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My experiance in Germany as a GI was that it's a nice place to
visit, but I wouldn't want to live there. At least they fight
with their fists though, as in the U.S. you have to kill your
opponent with a weapon :-)
Just a guess, but I'd say this guy is on a burn-out and will
probably go away rather quickly. He's just making trouble
because he can. If you would build a network to replace his
then you could make him insignificant and he will go away
even faster. I'd say his attitude is not normal and should
be shunned by decent hams. There's probably a nice guy in the
same area willing to help.
---
Steve
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Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1993 22:45:55 -0800 (PST)
From: Steve Stroh <strohs@strohpub.com>
Subject: Germans
To: Steve Sampson <ssampson@sabea-oc.af.mil>
On Thu, 2 Dec 1993, Steve Sampson wrote:
> My experiance in Germany as a GI was that it's a nice place to
> visit, but I wouldn't want to live there. At least they fight
> with their fists though, as in the U.S. you have to kill your
> opponent with a weapon :-)
>
> Just a guess, but I'd say this guy is on a burn-out and will
> probably go away rather quickly. He's just making trouble
> because he can. If you would build a network to replace his
> then you could make him insignificant and he will go away
> even faster. I'd say his attitude is not normal and should
> be shunned by decent hams. There's probably a nice guy in the
> same area willing to help.
> ---
> Steve
>
How truly pompous of you...
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Date: Thu, 2 Dec 93 09:43:43 EDT
From: "Ross Patterson" <n4yyh@wa2hee.ampr.org>
Subject: IP in the open
To: tcp-group@ucsd.edu
On Sun, 28 Nov 1993 09:32:11 -0600 (CS, Steve Sampson wrote:
>2. VHF is for operator to operator communications.
>
>Do not use ANY VHF channel for networking. Since the majority of hams have
>a two-meter rig, they can easily destroy performance by their silly antics
>of beaconing, CW ID, and holding a voice QSO to see how much they can slow
>the packets down.
These activities qualify as malicious interference, and are punishable (at
least in the USA) by fines and, in serious cases, by forfeiture of licenses.
Just ask W4AD here in Northern Virginia, who has been facing a $2,000 fine
for the last 12 months, and has just been denied his appeal. Invoke the
proper authorities next time you see such behaviour and let the FCC raise
some cash by means other than license fees.
>4. No matter how much you succeed, there will always be others who want
>to do it different. Just as you finish your wonderful network, and have
>all the mail flowing freely, someone will lose interest and take their ball
>home so you can't play anymore.
This is AMATEUR radio. It's a HOBBY. People lose interest in hobbies from
time to time. That's one reason why repeaters are often owned and operated
by a group of hams, instead of by individuals. If someone drifts out of
the fun, the repeater stays on the air. Packet doesn't have as much of this
sort of support, in part because you can put a network node on the air with
off-the-shelf components for the cost of a decent HF transceiver. If
repeaters were as cheap and easy to set up, they'd probably be in the same
boat.
> Packet people usually don't get together to work
>these things out, so you might try and invite them to lunch or dinner and
>hash it out. Maybe just a coffee with them
An excellant idea. A bunch of the Northern VA packet and TCP/IP gang make
a regular event out of this. When someone drifts through the area, we
shanghai them for an evening or two and trade ideas, experiences, and
french fries.
73s,
Ross
N4YYH
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Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1993 11:29:09 -0600 (CST)
From: kurt@cs.tamu.edu (Kurt Freiberger)
Subject: Phil's a busy boy!!!
To: nos-bbs@hydra.carleton.ca (NOS-BBS Mailing List),
I just got this off alt.sources....
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# Graphics file formats -- image files
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0 short 0x52cc Utah Raster Toolkit RLE
... many lines deleted...
0 string PK Phil Karn's ZIP
... many more lines deleted ...
-- Murray Chapman Zheenl Punczna --
-- muzzle@cs.uq.oz.au zhmmyr@pf.hd.bm.nh --
-- University of Queensland Havirefvgl bs Dhrrafynaq --
-- Brisbane, Australia Oevfonar, Nhfgenyvn --
Wow, Phil, were you cloned like Issac Asimov???? 8-}
73/Kurt
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# Kurt Freiberger, WB5BBW Dept. of Computer Science, TAMU #
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# AMPRNet: wb5bbw@wb5bbw.ampr.org | get your feet wet." #
# Disclaimer: Not EVEN an official document of Texas A&M University #
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