Date: Fri, 1 Oct 93 04:30:06 PDT
From: Advanced Amateur Radio Networking Group <tcp-group@ucsd.edu>
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Subject: TCP-Group Digest V93 #254
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TCP-Group Digest Fri, 1 Oct 93 Volume 93 : Issue 254
Today's Topics:
CW ID (2 msgs)
Geeze (3 msgs)
I lied
Intruders (fwd from n3kfy)
my comment abt disks
Proxim Patent on MACA (ZZingg!)
SunOS 4.X AX25 driver
W0RLI history ...
Why I hate copyrights (2 msgs)
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Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1993 14:02:42 -0500 (CDT)
From: Steve Sampson <ssampson@sabea-oc.af.mil>
Subject: CW ID
To: TCP-Group@UCSD.Edu
>> Somebody suggested that CW ID be manditory for all packet stations so they
>> can be identified easily when they cause interference. (Oct 93 QST)
>>
>Err... In the UK it IS mandatory for all packet stations to use CW ID!
>Some people ignore this, but it's in the license. I think you may use voice
>ident as an alternative to CW, but no-one would dream of that.
Smells British to me, I think anyone who uses CW ID and Beacons on a data
network should be shot. You know it's wrong, the government knows it's wrong,
but you persist anyway. I think the British model is so foreign to most
Americans because we don't put up with that kind of bull. Like the 55 mph
speed law; we vote with our actions and the government finally gets tired of
enforcing worthless or dumb laws.
Here in Oklahoma we have several people who CW ID because their TNC has that
feature. No other reason, they like to see everyone get pissed and leave the
hobby. But this is the state where they have people in prison for failure to
return their video rental on time (Felony!), and release rapists because the
DA lawyers didn't get their case ready in time. So brain damage is pretty
common around here.
What's the name and call of the US ham that suggested this? I think he
probably is one of those people who start a voice simplex net on 145.02 and
can't figure out why he's being interfered with, and probably needs some
mail and cow dung delivered, he's probably an Extra Class Okie . . .
You can easily identify packet interference without CW ID, it would entail
spending a couple bucks and buying a used TNC, however most Official Observers
of the ARRL, or other national leagues should be able to afford this.
---
Steve
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Date: Fri, 1 Oct 93 10:37:34 EST
From: dave@eram.esi.com.au (Dave Horsfall)
Subject: CW ID
To: TCP-Group@UCSD.Edu
ssampson@sabea-oc.af.mil writes:
| Here in Oklahoma we have several people who CW ID because their TNC has that
| feature. No other reason, they like to see everyone get pissed and leave the
| hobby.
Sounds like the turkeys around here who use 300bps on a busy channel,
"because they're allowed to."
-- Dave
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Date: 30 Sep 1993 08:14:59 -0500 (CDT)
From: Jack Spitznagel <jks@jspitznagel.utmem.edu>
Subject: Geeze
To: tcp-group@ucsd.edu
Hi...
"Unsigned" asked
>Whats Garrison Keilor?
I can't believe you don't know....
He is the host of the APR "A Prarie Home Companion"//"American Radio Company"...
He is to all good card carrying yuppies, the Moral, Mental, and Esthetic
equivalent of what Barney (the blue singing dinosaur on PBS), Big Bird, or Fred
Rogers are to preschoolers.
73
Jack Spitznagel | D ivision of Bogometrics,
Team OS/2 | Sancho Panza Institute for
(901) 528-6441 | Advanced Studies
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Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1993 17:29:51 +0000 (GMT)
From: Paul L Taylor <PAUL%RADARC@email.meto.govt.uk>
Subject: Geeze
To: jangus@skyld.tele.com
Hello Jeff,
Here in UK it IS Manditory for either a CW ident or voice identification of
the transmitting data station to be transmitted at least every 30 minutes.
It is a bone that sticks in our throat,but is a legal requirement.so we do it!
We are required to put a hardware cwid on all our modes and speeds above 1200
baud.Scramblers etc. make it difficult for software generation.Below that you
can generate cwident in software with typically g8bpq John Wiseman's KISS eprom
with cwid is for genuine tnc2 clones.I understand the eprom in Kams can generate
a cwident whilst in kiss mode,but I have not used one to test .
I can only suggest you lobby the appropriate body/bodies to ensure you do not
get this millstone imposed upon you EVER!!
73 Paul (g1plt) UK amprnet co-ordinator.
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Paul L Taylor, ATD Systems Analyst/Designer,The Met Office,Experimental Site,
Beaufort Park,Easthamsted,Wokingham,Berks..RG11 3DN,UK
Internet: ptaylor@EMAIL.meto.govt.uk (please ignore any other derived address)
g1plt@kelvin.usup.uk22.bull.co.uk (on occasions)
AMPRnet : g1plt@g1plt.ampr.org
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Date: Thu, 30 Sep 93 16:31:34 -0700
From: jhays@snonext.hays.org (John D. Hays)
Subject: Geeze
To: Paul L Taylor <PAUL%RADARC@email.meto.govt.uk>
The reason the original TNC's in the US had the CWID command was because it
used to be a legal requirement on Data/ATV/SSTV/Etc. transmissions that a CW or
VOICE ID needed to be made during a QSO ... The FCC finally dropped the
requirement when they got their own TNCs, TVs, etc.
John D. Hays, KD7UW
"Over a Decade on Packet, Where has the time gone..."
Email: jhays@hays.org
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Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1993 14:42:00 -0400 (EDT)
From: MIKEBW@ids.net (Mike Bilow)
Subject: I lied
To: kz1f@kz1f.hdn.legent.com, tcp-group@ucsd.edu
Without commenting on the merits (in the hope that this whole issue
just dies down as it should), I do want to correct the record on
W0RLI. His software was originally written for the Xerox 820, which
was a CP/M machine that someone (K8MMO?) managed to get a carload of
released into the hands of ham radio operators. The W0RLI user
interface and many other features were acknowledged to be common
in twisted pair BBS of the day, most noticeably in R-CP/M. While
the IBM PC had been out for some years by the time packet radio
came about, it was far too expensive for ham shack use. Also, the
landline modem of the time was often 300 or 1200 bps, so there was
a natural tendency to use a similar interface style for both packet
and landline BBSs.
The reason that W0RLI probably never gave recognition to the people
mentioned is that it would have been thoroughly obvious to anyone
at that time, much like Hayes giving credit to Alexander Graham Bell
for their use of the ATDT command.
-- Mike
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Date: Thu, 30 Sep 93 19:00:18 EDT
From: jmr@ruth.ece.psu.edu (Joe Reinhardt)
Subject: Intruders (fwd from n3kfy)
To: tcp-group@ucsd.edu
(Fred, N3KFY, asked to me to forward this to the group. - AF2J)
----- Start of forwarded message -----
>Note that this is NOT a "choose for pa0gri or nl0wlt" voting, it's
>much more a "do we allow CBnet people on our groups or not?" thing
NOT AT ALL!!! What it is is how can we solve this problem without
legal ramifications. This is a discussion, isn't it?
>To make us all feel better: votes to: <waltje@sunsite.unc.edu>
>(this is definitely *not* a hacker's network - your votes are safe ;->
>Last but not least: calm down, everyone. There's no need for a fight...
>Cheers,
(callsign deleted)
This message is addressed to HAM's from the RF side of this net.
I truly wish I could address to all involved but, I value my access to this
group and have NO other access besides via RF. I also have forwarded this to
the gateway sysop for him to manually forward it.
Fred....Take NO offence:-}. The current laws in this country disallow me
to talk directly to a 3rd party without another control operator. So I guess
it would be against current regulations to send anything directly to ya
wether or not a "hackers network".
Until there is some type of change in regulation here, I'll walk in thin
ice out of respect for my gateway's license...not necessarily mine!
My vote? A way I can access .ampr.org via RF without fear of regulations.
Any sugestions?
Fred Hess
n3kfy@n3kfy.ampr.org ........(I really wish that this would work
and it does if we could be sure
that someone playing around doesen't
access it)
n3kfy@n3kfy.#ncpa.pa.usa
n3kfy%n3kfy.ampr.org@gw.af2j (this DOES work...it just get's
rewritten to a check file and
then forwarded to me..what a waste
of time.)
----- End of forwarded message -----
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Date: Thu, 30 Sep 93 13:30:01 EST
From: kz1f@kz1f.hdn.legent.com
Subject: my comment abt disks
To: tcp-group@ucsd.edu
It has come to my attention, some people misunderstood my
comment abt re-formatting of hard-drives.
That was 100% pure sarcasism.
I do not, nor have I ever, supported or condoned any sought of viral or
malicious tampering with anothers system.
Thank you,
Walt
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Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1993 16:01:55 -0800
From: tenney@netcom.com (Glenn S. Tenney)
Subject: Proxim Patent on MACA (ZZingg!)
To: karn@qualcomm.com (Phil Karn), wireless@tandem.com, tcp-group@ucsd.edu
Phil, based on what has been said, it seems that the patent application has
actually infringed your copyright. Perhaps you should consider sending
another letter to Proxim specifically alleging copyright infringement and
asking for damages...
---
Glenn Tenney
tenney@netcom.com Amateur radio: AA6ER
Voice: (415) 574-3420 Fax: (415) 574-0546
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Date: Thu, 30 Sep 93 14:52:27 PDT
From: William.Dorsey@Corp.Sun.COM (Bill Dorsey)
Subject: SunOS 4.X AX25 driver
To: tcp-group@ucsd.edu
A number of people expressed interest in a SunOS 4.X AX25 driver. I
uploaded sunax25-1.2.tar.[Z,gz] to ucsd.edu in the /hamradio/packet/tcpip/
incoming directory earlier this week. It contains an updated kernel
driver which includes a number of fixes. Version 1.1 of the driver
was released (sort of) by the author, though it appears never to have
made it to ucsd.edu. I am calling this release 1.2 because it is
based on the 1.1 release which contains a fix for a kernel memory
leak. Please direct any comments or suggestions to me.
> September 28th, 1993
>
> I've been running the code included in this tarfile on my Sparcstation
> running SunOS 4.1.3 for over a week now. It seems stable. The code is
> based on version 1.1 of the ax25 code, which fixes a kernel memory leak
> that was present in the 1.0 version.
>
> In addition to the fixed kernel memory leak, I have fixed to other bugs
> which usually manifest themselves as the host failing to provide ARP
> replies to requesting stations. This is because of two bugs. The big
> one was in ax_btom() where an if statement checks to see if a packet is
> destined for the host by comparing the destination ethernet address with
> our own ethernet address and comparing the destination ethernet address
> with the ethernet broadcast address. The original code compared an ax25
> broadcast address with an ethernet address, which is clearly erroneous.
>
> The second bug was in ax_ax2ether. Some packets have the high bit of
> the station id set. I understand this is the digipeater bit. The
> ax_ax2ether() code checks to see if the ax25 destination address matches
> the ax25 broadcast address, but fails to take into account that the
> ax25 destination address may have its digipeater bit set. I added code
> to strip this bit off near the beginning of the function, and removed
> some redundant code near the end of the function that stripped this bit
> off the ax25 destination address.
>
> There is at least one other bug related to initialization in the code
> that I haven't bothered to track down yet. It is minor, and isn't worth
> my time right now.
>
> If anyone finds any bugs in the code or makes any enhancements to it, I
> would appreciate copies. I am in touch with the original author of the
> code, Theo Deraadt, and will pass stuff along to him as well.
>
> Enjoy.
>
--
Bill Dorsey dorsey@lila.com
PGP 2.X public key dorsey@n3lmf.ampr.org
available on request dorsey@n0ary.#norcal.ca.us.na
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Date: Thu, 30 Sep 93 17:18:17 -0700
From: jhays@snonext.hays.org (John D. Hays)
Subject: W0RLI history ...
To: MIKEBW@ids.net (Mike Bilow)
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Date: Thu, 30 Sep 93 08:19:17 -0600
From: Bdale Garbee <bdale@col.hp.com>
Subject: Why I hate copyrights
To: Advanced Amateur Radio Networking Group <tcp-group@UCSD.EDU>
> Could someone please list all the owners of claimed copyrights to the KA9Q
> NOS package. That is, list each module, and the claimants.
Ok, that's easy. I just did a 'grep opyrigh *' in the source directory of the
latest KA9Q snapshot of RCS files... here it is, for the grep-impaired. I
suggest that anyone using the code take a minute to peruse a few copyright
notices. It's not hard to do, and hopefully it will calibrate your
expectations. To my knowledge, the overall copyright schema has remained
unchanged since the original tcp-group formation after the MAPRC meeting in
Harrisonburg, PA, at which KA9Q, K3MC, N3CVL, , and I sat up all night and
agreed to go work on what eventually became known as NET, and later NOS...
73 - Bdale, N3EUA
alloc.c: * Copyright 1991 Phil Karn, KA9Q
arcdump.c: * Copyright 1990 Russ Nelson
arcnet.c: * Copyright 1990 Russ Nelson
arp.c: * Copyright 1991 Phil Karn, KA9Q
arpcmd.c: * Copyright 1991, Phil Karn, KA9Q
arpdump.c: * Copyright 1991 Phil Karn, KA9Q
arphdr.c: * Copyright 1991 Phil Karn, KA9Q
asy.c: * Copyright 1992 Phil Karn, KA9Q
asy.c: * Copyright 1991 Phil Karn, KA9Q
asyvec.s:; Copyright 1991 Phil Karn, KA9Q
audit.c: * Copyright 1991 Phil Karn, KA9Q
ax25.c: * Copyright 1991 Phil Karn, KA9Q
ax25cmd.c: * Copyright 1991 Phil Karn, KA9Q
ax25dump.c: * Copyright 1991 Phil Karn, KA9Q
ax25hdr.c: * Copyright 1991 Phil Karn, KA9Q
ax25mail.c: * Copyright 1991 Phil Karn, KA9Q
ax25subr.c: * Copyright 1991 Phil Karn, KA9Q
ax25user.c: * Copyright 1991 Phil Karn, KA9Q
axheard.c: * Copyright 1991 Phil Karn, KA9Q
bmutil.c: * Copyright 1986 Bdale Garbee, All Rights Reserved.
bmutil.c: * Copyright 1987 1988 Dave Trulli NN2Z, All Rights Reserved.
cmdparse.c: * Copyright 1991 Phil Karn, KA9Q
config.c: * Copyright 1991 Phil Karn, KA9Q
dialer.c: * Copyright 1991 Phil Karn, KA9Q
display.c: * Copyright 1992 Phil Karn, KA9Q
dma.c:@/* PC DMA support functions. Copyright 1992 Phil Karn
domhdr.c: * Copyright 1991 Phil Karn, KA9Q
drsi.c: * (c) Copyright 1987 All Rights Reserved
drsi.c: * a driver for the DRSI PC* Packet adpator. Copyright as original, all
eagle.c: * Written by Art Goldman, WA3CVG - (c) Copyright 1987 All Rights Reserved
enet.c: * Copyright 1991 Phil Karn, KA9Q
enetdump.c: * Copyright 1991 Phil Karn, KA9Q
finger.c: * Copyright 1991 Phil Karn, KA9Q
fingerd.c: * Copyright 1991 Phil Karn, KA9Q
ftpcli.c: * Copyright 1991 Phil Karn, KA9Q
ftpserv.c: * Copyright 1991 Phil Karn, KA9Q
ftpsubr.c: * Copyright 1991 Phil Karn, KA9Q
hs.c: * Copyright 1991 Phil Karn, KA9Q
icmp.c: * Copyright 1991 Phil Karn, KA9Q
icmpcmd.c: * Copyright 1991 Phil Karn, KA9Q
icmpdump.c: * Copyright 1991 Phil Karn, KA9Q
icmphdr.c: * Copyright 1991 Phil Karn, KA9Q
icmpmsg.c: * Copyright 1991 Phil Karn, KA9Q
iface.c: * Copyright 1991 Phil Karn, KA9Q
ip.c: * Copyright 1991 Phil Karn, KA9Q
ipcmd.c: * Copyright 1991 Phil Karn, KA9Q
ipdump.c: * Copyright 1991 Phil Karn, KA9Q
iphdr.c: * Copyright 1991 Phil Karn, KA9Q
iproute.c: * Copyright 1991 Phil Karn, KA9Q
kernel.c: * Copyright 1992 Phil Karn, KA9Q
kernel.c: * Copyright 1991 Phil Karn, KA9Q
kiss.c: * Copyright 1991 Phil Karn, KA9Q
kissdump.c: * Copyright 1991 Phil Karn, KA9Q
ksubr.c: * Copyright 1991 Phil Karn, KA9Q
lapb.c: * Copyright 1991 Phil Karn, KA9Q
lapbtime.c: * Copyright 1991 Phil Karn, KA9Q
lcsum.c: * Copyright 1991 Phil Karn, KA9Q
lzw.c: * Copyright 1990 by Anders Klemets, SM0RGV. Permission granted for
mailbox.c:/* uuencode a file -- translated from C++; both versions copyright 1990
main.c:@Update copyright statement
main.c: * Copyright 1993 Phil Karn, KA9Q
main.c: printf("Copyright 1986-1993 by Phil Karn, KA9Q\n");
main.c: * Copyright 1991 Phil Karn, KA9Q
main.c: printf("Copyright 1992 by Phil Karn, KA9Q\n");
main.c: tprintf("Copyright 1992 by Phil Karn, KA9Q\n");
main.c: tprintf("Copyright 1991 by Phil Karn, KA9Q\n");
main.c: tprintf("Copyright 1990 by Phil Karn, KA9Q\n");
mbuf.c: * Copyright 1991 Phil Karn, KA9Q
md5.c: ** Copyright (C) 1990, RSA Data Security, Inc. All rights reserved. **
md5.h: ** Copyright (C) 1990, RSA Data Security, Inc. All rights reserved. **
misc.c: * Copyright 1991 Phil Karn, KA9Q
mkdep.c: * Copyright 1991 Phil Karn, KA9Q
n8250.c: * Copyright 1991 Phil Karn, KA9Q
netrom.h: * Copyright 1989 by Daniel M. Frank, W9NK. Permission granted for
netuser.c: * Copyright 1991 Phil Karn, KA9Q
nntpcli.c: * Copyright 1990 Anders Klemets - SM0RGV, All Rights Reserved.
nntpcli.c: * Changes copyright 1990 Bernie Roehl, All Rights Reserved.
nr3.c: * Copyright 1989 by Daniel M. Frank, W9NK. Permission granted for
nr4.c: * Copyright 1989 by Daniel M. Frank, W9NK. Permission granted for
nr4hdr.c: * Copyright 1989 by Daniel M. Frank, W9NK. Permission granted for
nr4mail.c: * Copyright 1991 Phil Karn, KA9Q
nr4subr.c: * Copyright 1989 by Daniel M. Frank, W9NK. Permission granted for
nr4timer.c: * Copyright 1989 by Daniel M. Frank, W9NK. Permission granted for
nr4user.c: * Copyright 1989 by Daniel M. Frank, W9NK. Permission granted for
nrcmd.c: * Copyright 1989 by Daniel M. Frank, W9NK. Permission granted for
nrdump.c: * Copyright 1991 Phil Karn, KA9Q
nrhdr.c: * Copyright 1989 Dan Frank, W9NK
nrs.c: * Copyright 1989 Dan Frank, W9NK
pathname.c: * Copyright 1991 Phil Karn, KA9Q
pc.c: * Copyright 1991 Phil Karn, KA9Q
pcgen.s:; Copyright 1991 Phil Karn, KA9Q
pi.c: * Copyright 1990 by Dave Perry, VE3IFB
pi.c: * VE3IFB. Art's copyright notice follows:
pi.c: * Written by Art Goldman, WA3CVG - (c) Copyright 1987 All Rights Reserved
pktdrvr.c: * Copyright 1991 Phil Karn, KA9Q
popcli.c: * Copyright 1986 Bdale Garbee, All Rights Reserved.
popcli.c: * Copyright 1987 1988 David Trulli, All Rights Reserved.
ripdump.c: * Copyright 1991 Phil Karn, KA9Q
sendfax.c: * Copyright 1991 Phil Karn, KA9Q
session.c: * Copyright 1991 Phil Karn, KA9Q
slhc.c: * Copyright (c) 1989 Regents of the University of California.
slhc.c: * provided that the above copyright notice and this paragraph are
slhc.h: * Copyright (c) 1989 Regents of the University of California.
slhc.h: * provided that the above copyright notice and this paragraph are
slip.c: * Copyright 1991 Phil Karn
smisc.c: * Copyright 1991 Phil Karn, KA9Q
smtpcli.c: * Copyright 1986 Bdale Garbee, All Rights Reserved.
smtpcli.c: * Copyright 1987 1988 David Trulli, All Rights Reserved.
sockcmd.c: * Copyright 1991 Phil Karn, KA9Q
socket.c: * Copyright 1991 Phil Karn, KA9Q
sockuser.c: * Copyright 1991 Phil Karn, KA9Q
sockutil.c: * Copyright 1991 Phil Karn, KA9Q
stdio.c: * Copyright 1992 Phil Karn, KA9Q
stopwatc.s:; Copyright 1991 Phil Karn, KA9Q
sw.c: * Copyright 1991 Phil Karn, KA9Q
tcpcmd.c: * Copyright 1991 Phil Karn, KA9Q
tcpdump.c: * Copyright 1991 Phil Karn, KA9Q
tcphdr.c: * Copyright 1991 Phil Karn, KA9Q
tcpin.c: * Copyright 1991 Phil Karn, KA9Q
tcpout.c: * Copyright 1991 Phil Karn, KA9Q
tcpsubr.c: * Copyright 1991 Phil Karn, KA9Q
tcptimer.c: * Copyright 1991 Phil Karn, KA9Q
tcpuser.c: * Copyright 1991 Phil Karn, KA9Q
telnet.c: * Copyright 1991 Phil Karn, KA9Q
timer.c: * Copyright 1991 Phil Karn, KA9Q
tip.c: * Copyright 1991 Phil Karn, KA9Q
tipmail.c: * Copyright 1991 Phil Karn, KA9Q
trace.c: * Copyright 1991 Phil Karn, KA9Q
ttydriv.c: * Copyright 1991 Phil Karn, KA9Q
ttylink.c: * Copyright 1991 Phil Karn, KA9Q
udp.c: * Copyright 1991 Phil Karn, KA9Q
udpcmd.c: * Copyright 1991 Phil Karn, KA9Q
udpdump.c: * Copyright 1991 Phil Karn, KA9Q
udphdr.c: * Copyright 1991 Phil Karn, KA9Q
z8530.s:; Copyright 1991 Phil Karn, KA9Q
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Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1993 17:02:52 EDT
From: "Russell Nelson" <nelson@crynwr.com>
Subject: Why I hate copyrights
To: "Advanced Amateur Radio Networking Group" <tcp-group@UCSD.EDU>
On Thu, 30 Sep 93 08:19:17 -0600, "Bdale Garbee" <bdale@col.hp.com> wrote:
> arcdump.c: * Copyright 1990 Russ Nelson
> arcnet.c: * Copyright 1990 Russ Nelson
I hereby abandon that copyright.
--
-russ <nelson@crynwr.com> What canst *thou* say?
Crynwr Software Crynwr Software sells packet driver support.
11 Grant St. 315-268-1925 Voice | LPF member - ask me about
Potsdam, NY 13676 315-268-9201 FAX | the harm software patents do.
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