Date: Thu, 15 Apr 93 04:30:08 PDT
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TCP-Group Digest Thu, 15 Apr 93 Volume 93 : Issue 99
Today's Topics:
>>> JNOS108DF HELP !!! <<< (2 msgs)
Linux newbies Wampes package
Networking Code / Linux (3 msgs)
NNTP (ampr) feed wanted
WAMPES
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Date: Wed, 14 Apr 93 18:59:07 MET
From: "Giancarlo Pernici" <IW5CZT@IW5CZT.AMPR.ORG>
Subject: >>> JNOS108DF HELP !!! <<<
To: crompton@nadc.nadc.navy.mil, tcp-group@ucsd.edu
Today I've tried to compile this code in my 486 machine with BC++ 3.1.
The base version works very well but if I try to join base version with
the KA9Q memory-code the linking stops!!!
Error: Undefined symbol _Nibufs in library file net.lib in module MBUF
Error: Undefined symbol _Ibufsize in library file net.lib in module MBUF
Error: Undefined symbol _Minheap in library file pc.lib in module PC
WHY ????
I haven't changed the code in any part!
Regards
GIANCARLO
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Date: Wed, 14 Apr 93 14:48:01 EDT
From: crompton@NADC.NADC.NAVY.MIL (D. Crompton)
Subject: >>> JNOS108DF HELP !!! <<<
To: PERNICI@MAMMOLO.CNUCE.CNR.IT
Giancarlo,
I think you may not have gotten the mbuf.c code at ucsd - mbuf.zip
It was left out of the ka9qjnos package. It is the stock mbuf.c from
ka9q net, and can be copied over your existing jnos version.
The nibufs, nibufsize etc are NOT used when using the ka9q memory
allocation scheme.
Also I hope you have more luck with it than I did. It seems to run
fine but consistently crashes within a day. I have numerous reports of
this from others. No one seems to be able to nail down the problem as
yet. I have it on the back burner here. Kinda waiting for Johan to
release his next version first.
Doug
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Date: 15 Apr 93 09:56:40 GMT
From: Jon Jagger <J.R.Jagger@sheffield-hallam.ac.uk>
Subject: Linux newbies Wampes package
To: tcp-group@ucsd.edu
Hi
I saw Bruce Perens post about Linux and wampes
>back up your old files, you'll be removing them.
Not necessarily. You can have DOS running off one hard disk and
Linux running of a second hard disk. You can even have both
one the same hard disk if you want. You use LILO to give you
a boot time choice.
>Linux can read DOS disks and floppies unless you use Stacker or
>DoubleSpace or something like that on them.
Linux can definitely read superstor compressed partitions, and
I think it can read stacker ones too. There is a msdos emulator,
and superstor is so transparent in use, that it works under the
emulator!
>Once you've got your Linux system reasonably stable, you can download
>WAMPES from ucsd.edu, and build it. I think it would be a good idea
>for some of us more technical types to streamline the process for
>non-unix-literate hams.
So do I. I am just such a ham. I do a lot of C programming and such
like, and am just getting into NOS on DOS, and having discovered
Linux and installed the above SLS distribution of it (which is great
by the way), I am eager to get NOS on Linux working, so that I
do not tie up my machine by using loss-dos.
>Perhaps a binary distribution of WAMPES like the SLS distribution
>of Linux would help.
Yes yes yes.
>Something where you could type in your callsign and go.
Perfect.
>Perhaps even a ham-specific distribution of Linux in its
>entirety.
Hmmm. I think an add on to a specific release would be a better
idea. The SLS release changes fairly often and putting together
and entire SLS package is a LARGE undertaking. Mind you I might
be biased here as I already have SLS installed. I don't think so
though. The main point of SLS is that is made as easy as possible
for a unix newbie to install (SLS == Soft Landing System). I don't
think you could make it any easier. In any case the SLS release
has been set up so that it is very easy to add new modules to it,
that are installed exactly as the base system is installed. This was
done for an immiment release of interviews. If you type sysinstall
you get a list of options. I'm pretty sure it would be simply to
make a ham/wampes distribution that could be loaded from a DOS
floppy.
>Anyone interested?
Yes. I am fairly new to Linux and Unixy type OS's but I would be more
than happy to be a 'BETA' tester, and help anyway that I can.
One thing though, I've just become a father (baby girl) and am off
for two weeks holiday (hmmmmm baby + holiday == contradiction)
so I wont be replying to anything for a while.
Cheers
JJ
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Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1993 08:33:14 -0700 (PDT)
From: Bruce Perens <bruce@pixar.com>
Subject: Networking Code / Linux
To: iiitac@pyr.swan.ac.uk
I'm really pleased with Linux, but you already knew that :-) .
There is currently a Linux distribution on tsx-11.mit.edu that is very
easy to install if you are at all familliar with Unix, less easy if you
are not. You'll need a 386 or better, preferrably with 4MB of RAM (8MB if
you want to use the X Window System) and at least 40MB of disk (more is
better). Back up your old files, you'll be removing them. Linux can read
DOS disks and floppies unless you use Stacker or DoubleSpace or something
like that on them.
Use anonymous FTP to tsx-11.mit.edu . If tsx-11 is too busy, it will tell
you about its dozen mirror sites and hang up on you, then you can FTP to
one of them. Change directory to /pub/linux/SLS . Get the README files in
that directory. There are a dozen files in that directory that are floppy
disk images for the base system, the development system, and the X-Window
system. Start out with the base system and the development system, you can
deal with X-Windows later. Following the instructions in the README files,
you download the floppy images, copy them to floppies, feed them to your
386, and it will boot and install Linux.
There is an online manual, and books about "BSD Unix" (Berkeley Unix, of
which Linux is a clone) can be found in most bookstores.
Once you've got your Linux system reasonably stable, you can download
WAMPES from ucsd.edu, and build it.
I think it would be a good idea for some of us more technical types
to streamline the process for non-unix-literate hams. Perhaps a binary
distribution of WAMPES like the SLS distribution of Linux would help.
Something where you could type in your callsign and go. Perhaps even
a ham-specific distribution of Linux in its entirety. Anyone interested?
Bruce KD6OTD
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Date: Wed, 14 Apr 93 15:16 CDT
From: Jay Maynard <S0JM@ADMIN.HSC.UTH.TMC.EDU>
Subject: Networking Code / Linux
To: iiitac@PYR.SWAN.AC.UK
> With either 386BSD or Linux you are unlikely to be dissappointed. KA9Q under
> Unix isn't the ideal solution but you no longer spend all day trying to get
> 8K more base memory and having regular crashes when you run out.
> You also get to use your computer at the same time.
Isn't that what DESQview and OS/2 are for? Besides, that way you don't have
to dump all your DOS software.
...Jay, K5ZC
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Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1993 15:28:45 -0700 (PDT)
From: Bruce Perens <bruce@pixar.com>
Subject: Networking Code / Linux
To: Jay Maynard <S0JM@ADMIN.HSC.UTH.TMC.EDU>
> Isn't that what DESQview and OS/2 are for? Besides, that way you don't have
> to dump all your DOS software.
>
> ...Jay, K5ZC
>
For me, dumping DOS was half the fun! Linux, however, has a DOS emulator
that runs in a process, and is probably good enough to run most DOS
programs though I don't know if it will run Windows even in
standard-mode.
I suppose if you are an appliance operator DESQview and OS/2 are good
things to use. OS/2 and NT will probably support most of what we want to
do in the future (DESQview will quietly fade away as real operating
systems take the place of DOS).
For those of us who want to get our fingers under the hood, Linux and
BSD are good choices. You have all of the source to the operating system
and can hack it in whatever way you like. This is important to us
TCP/IP folks, since we'd like to get our networking support in the
kernel, and code that was written for ethernet will need some work
before it is appropriate for ham radio use.
I suppose you'll see some future networking development going on under
Linux and BSD, and ports of the finished software to things like OS/2
and NT.
Bruce Perens KD6OTD
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Date: Thu, 15 Apr 93 00:33:42 +0900
From: Futoshi Miyamori <futoshi@sramhb.sra.co.jp>
Subject: NNTP (ampr) feed wanted
To: lyndon@unbc.edu (Lyndon Nerenberg)
Hell. I'm JH1AFN. Currently I'm not operating the Packet Radio...but I'm
ready to QRV with G3RUH and V.29 mode.
%Date: Sun, 11 Apr 93 15:28 PDT
%From: lyndon@unbc.edu (Lyndon Nerenberg)
%Subject: NNTP (ampr) feed wanted
%To: tcp-group@ucsd.edu
%
%If anyone out there can provide me with an NNTP feed of ampr.* would
%you please send me some e-mail? Thanks.
We are running Terakoya netnews system with NOS/NET in Japan, and have
newsgroups which toplevel name is ``ampr''. I have an UNIX WS(Sony
NWS-821) and I have an UUCP link to another site with phone line(not
radio). Also I can have radio link on 430MHz and 1.2GHz band.
PRUG members are planning to have Internet connection thru IIJ(Internet
service company in Japan). Tonight We, PRUG have 3rd IP meeting(PEPG/IP)
I attended it with my SPARC LT(:-O).
In this summer maybe we can distribute our newsgroups ampr.all to the
internet.(Is this true? > prug members :-)) Please wait until we have
internet connection, if you want to read Japanese netnews articles with
NNTP. (Are you realy want to read our(Japanese) messages?)
Following newsgroups are active in Japan. (Of course, messages are in
Japanese). I think this list is old one. Sorry.
--
ampr.antenna
ampr.binaries
ampr.binaries.d
ampr.books
ampr.books.magazines
ampr.comp.lang.c
ampr.comp.lang.misc
ampr.dcom.isdn
ampr.dcom.lan
ampr.dcom.modems
ampr.dcom.tnc
ampr.exchange
ampr.fwdnet.misc
ampr.fwdnet.net
ampr.general
ampr.graphics
ampr.graphics.d
ampr.guide.misc
ampr.guide.terakoya
ampr.hamfair
ampr.hamfair.yoyaku
ampr.jokes
ampr.junk .... This is junk!
ampr.lang
ampr.lang.c
ampr.lang.english
ampr.lang.japanese
ampr.lang.misc
ampr.mail
ampr.mail-lists.tcp-digest ... now we don't redistribute to the radio
ampr.medicine
ampr.misc
ampr.news.adm
ampr.news.config
ampr.news.group
ampr.news.lists
ampr.news.map
ampr.news.misc
ampr.news.newsite
ampr.newsite
ampr.org.genesys-p
ampr.org.prug
ampr.os.386bsd
ampr.os.mach
ampr.os.minix
ampr.os.misc
ampr.os.msdos
ampr.os.unix
ampr.plan.partech
ampr.pobox
ampr.pobox.d
ampr.questions.misc
ampr.questions.tcpip
ampr.radio.antenna
ampr.radio.misc
ampr.radio.rig
ampr.rec.anime
ampr.rec.audio
ampr.rec.autos
ampr.rec.comics
ampr.rec.debate
ampr.rec.food
ampr.rec.games
ampr.rec.ham.6m
ampr.rec.ham.hf
ampr.rec.ham.misc
ampr.rec.idol
ampr.rec.love ... Hmmm....
ampr.rec.movies
ampr.rec.music
ampr.rec.music.progressive
ampr.rec.p ... poor, poop, or p???
ampr.rec.p.18kin ... 18kin means rated R. ;-)
ampr.rec.p.hot_springs ... Hmmm. It's good. :-)
ampr.rec.plan
ampr.rec.play
ampr.rec.rail
ampr.rec.railway
ampr.rec.sf
ampr.rec.sports
ampr.rec.sports.baseball
ampr.rec.sports.ski
ampr.rec.travel
ampr.rec.tv
ampr.sci.astro
ampr.sci.misc
ampr.soc.misc
ampr.software.ka9q
ampr.software.knews-mac ... news system on Macintosh
ampr.software.misc
ampr.software.oimo ... mail reader
ampr.software.soroban ... replace of inews
ampr.software.terakoya ... terakoya [BC]news compatible netnews system
ampr.software.yomikaki ... news reader
ampr.sources
ampr.sources.d
ampr.spotrs.baseball ... Is this exist?? I don't know.
ampr.sys.ibmpc
ampr.sys.j3100
ampr.sys.mac
ampr.sys.misc
ampr.sys.news ...news is Sony's NEt Work Station.
ampr.sys.next
ampr.sys.pc98
ampr.sys.sun
ampr.sys.unix ... alias to ampr.os.unix
ampr.tcpip
ampr.test
ampr.trouble
ampr.windows.misc
ampr.windows.ms
ampr.windows.x
--
73, de JH1AFN
PostScript.
I must study English more. :-(
( $B$"$!!"$O$:$+$7!D!"$G$b?l$C$?@*$$$G=q$$$F$7$^$C$? (B!)
--
Futoshi Miyamori / Software Research Associates Inc., Japan
futoshi@sra.co.jp (office), futoshi@jh1afn.e-tokyo.prug.or.jp(home),
PFF02442@Nifty$erve.or.jp, 74550.2442@Compu$erve.com
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Date: Thu Apr 15 12:48:10 1993
From: iiitac@pyr.swan.ac.uk
Subject: WAMPES
To: tcp-group@ucsd.edu
Well I'm going to move from AmigaNOS(for Linux) to WAMPES, so when and
if I can figure it out I'll see about building a binary install set.
Is the WAMPES documentation any better than it used to be.
With respect to 'Isn't this what DesqView is for' the answer to an
extent is yes. For many people it does all they need. Some of us
are just trying to move that bit further on to use the full 32bit
address space, and the powerful unix tcp/ip based programs.
Anyone for NFS 8-)
Alan
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