Date: Tue, 19 Jan 93 04:30:15 PST
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TCP-Group Digest Tue, 19 Jan 93 Volume 93 : Issue 19
Today's Topics:
Anyone working on AX.25 code for 386BSD?
Future of NOS
Info on Subscribing
KA9Q NOS updated on ucsd.edu
mids & bids (one solution)
mids & bids ?? (3 msgs)
mids and bids
more on update
NT
PK88 hanging xmitter in KISS
PM NOS
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Date: Mon, 18 Jan 93 13:49:55 PST
From: rosenaue@mprgate.mpr.ca (Dennis Rosenauer)
Subject: Anyone working on AX.25 code for 386BSD?
To: tcp-group@ucsd.edu
Changing the subject from the NOS releated thread :-). I was
wondering if anyone is currently working at putting the necessary
code into 386BSD for AX.25?
I have been looking at it myself for a little while and for my interests
which are TCP/IP only, it looks like it should not be too hard. I have
to get the Dr. Dobbs articles on 386BSD before I start attacking the
network and device drivers tho'.
Anyone working on this? Anyone got a mailing list going?
--
Dennis Rosenauer VE7BPE rosenaue@mprgate.mpr.ca
MPR Teltech Ltd.
Radio & Satellite Network Development "For every vision there is an
Burnaby, B. C. equal and opposite revision"
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Date: Mon, 18 Jan 93 16:13:03 EST
From: kz1f@RELAY.WESTBORO.LEGENT.COM
Subject: Future of NOS
To: ssampson@sabea-oc.af.mil, TCP-Group@UCSD.Edu
Steve Sampson writes -
Well, frankly more than I want to prepend to this msg.
I couldnt agree more, infact this is, in a vailed way, what "PMNOS" v2.0 will
be. Specifically capitalizing on an object orientation. ie, you have nodes
(stations) files and mail (specilized file). The object, no pun intended, is to
move objects around. One can see this in OS/2, System 7 and Cairo(uSofts WPS).
Files can be selected, perhaps en-mass, and copied or moved to some other
location. This other location is denoted by a folder. Just as folders can be
opened to expose subdirectories, node folders can be opened to expose their
contents. As files can be moved from by dragging them between folders, so can
they be moved between nodes. ie, I see kd4iz as an icon, I dblclk, and see a
folder open that shows either other folder icons(subdirs), other folder
protocols and other files accessable to me. I select the folder and drag it to
my d drive folder. What ensues under the covers is an mget *.* to that
destination. Of course moving an individual file would equate to a single get.
Mail would be handled in a similar manner.
This is where I see things going, well, this is where I am going. In the spirit
of what Brian has been so tastefully urging and what Steve suggests, perhaps
some verbage can be given to "advanced" networking rather than ancient (25 yr
old unix) networking.
I could go into more detail on what I am building but it is way too premature
to spill the beans. But thats why I said I was using a different technology
than NOS. Have fun and keep those cards and letters coming. Walt
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Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1993 17:27:49 -0500
From: wwp@tigger.jvnc.net (Ferdi Serim)
Subject: Info on Subscribing
To: tcp-group@ucsd.edu
Hi Folks,
I'm interested in subscribing to your list. Please send instructions on doing
this.
Thanks!
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Plainsboro, NJ 08536 USA
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Date: Mon, 18 Jan 93 17:53:55 -0800
From: karn@qualcomm.com (Phil Karn)
Subject: KA9Q NOS updated on ucsd.edu
To: tcp-group@ucsd.edu
I have updated my NOS code on ucsd.edu. It's in /hamradio/packet/tcpip/ka9q.
In that directory are two binaries, net.exe and net.386, the latter being
a net.exe that runs only on 386s and 486s.
Rather than put up zip archives of the source, I've created an 'rcs'
subdirectory and placed in it the individual RCS source files. This is
to make it much easier for me to update individual files, which I do
fairly often.
Phil
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Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1993 03:05:40 +1300
From: Steve_Wright@kcbbs.gen.nz (Steve Wright)
Subject: mids & bids (one solution)
To: tcp-group@ucsd.edu
Message-Id: <9301190012.AA13950@kcbbs.gen.nz>
Date: 19 Jan 93 00:12:55 EST (Tue)
folks, Since I raised the question can I offer a solution. Firstly,
I asked the question more out of surprise and was taken back with the amount
of activity it caused.
When I first discovered USENET, I had no idea what sort of resources were
available, and I suggest that a lot of 'noise' that arrives here is a result
of users not knowing _where_ to ask their question. By noise I don't mean to
include _any_ of the excellant people working on the software we use - for
without them we won't have tcp/ip in ham radio.
I think the resources on usenet for ham radio need re-organising into specific
groups, and regularly have the charter of these groups published. This ensures
that if someone stumbles across tcp-group (as I did) they won't direct _ALL_
their trivia there before they are aware of .r.r.a.px and the others.
Publishing details of groups will certainly increase the traffic in them, but
the traffic may turn out to be quality traffic since all the faqs will then go
to r.r.a.px and not nos-bbs or tcp-group. The more I look around, the more
small groups exist that have a wealth of information about ampr networking in
them. I dare not publish details of their group as I'm really an
outsider/listener and if they want to tell everyone then they will.
But really, can we publish as many known resources as possible and distribute
it monthly in most of the larger forums? It may also serve as a reminder as
to what we aspire.. an advancing tcp/ip based information system.
To quote N3EUA, "We have not yet begun to packet!"
Kind regards,
Steve - ZL1BHD
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Date: Sat, 16 Jan 93 14:56 EST
From: glg@balrog.k8lt.ampr.org (Gary L. Grebus)
Subject: mids & bids ??
To: BRIANLANTZ@delphi.com
>Well, since NOS has to exist in the same digital network as machine using
>that "outdated form of forwarding" (of which we are still just a small part,
>unfortunately), and since it is a feature of NOS, and since this is where
>NOS developers/hackers/enthusiasts gather and talk code, THIS IS THE RIGHT
>PLACE!
I disagree. Isn't there a nos-bbs mailing list? Why couldn't the
BBS related discussions move there? This has become the NOS mailing list,
unfortunately to the exclusion of other, more interesting topics which
were originally discussed here.
Independent of what topics could be where...
>While I would be the first to say that ALL FEATURES of NOS are important,
>some of the most important features are not the most progressive or
>powerful! NOS is NO GOOD if it can only talk to itself!
You're speaking about your particular application of NOS.
I suspect there are a number of us who are quite content to start with
TCP connectivity and build from there.
73,
Gary, K8LT
Gary L. Grebus, 16 North Mason Rd., Brookline, NH 03033-2452
Home: glg@balrog.k8lt.ampr.org (decvax!balrog!glg)
Work: grebus@isis1.enet.dec.com
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Date: Mon, 18 Jan 93 15:35:26 EST
From: barry@dgbt.doc.ca (Barry McLarnon)
Subject: mids & bids ??
To: tcp-group@ucsd.edu
> I run this mailing list in the increasing-forlorn hope that it will be
> used to advance the state of the art of ham radio networking, specifically
> by the use of the internet protocols and other sophisticated techniques.
And I started the nos-bbs list in the hope of keeping it that way! It
seemed to me that the bbs aspect of NOS was a minority interest whose
increasing traffic might be alienating the folks who wanted to discuss
the more advanced topics which are closer to tcp-group's charter.
The nos-bbs list has evolved a bit, into a sort of JNOS (and presumably
TNOS when it becomes more widely available) developer's and user's group.
Things other than bbs stuff do get discussed there, resulting in some
inevitable overlap with tcp-group. Topics like new broadcast protocols,
porting NOS to Linux, Phil's new code (but what if he ports in Johan's
mailbox stuff? :-) clearly belong in tcp-group. The 'mids and bids' (sigh)
stuff definitely belongs in nos-bbs. Non-bbs JNOS stuff tends to pop up
in both places... I'm open to suggestions as to how to avoid that.
Subscription requests for the nos-bbs list go to:
nos-bbs-request@hydra.carleton.ca
> - Brian
Barry
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Barry McLarnon | Internet: barry@dgbt.doc.ca
Communications Research Center | AMPRnet: barry@bbs.ve3jf.ampr.org
Ottawa, Canada K2H 8S2 | PBBSnet: ve3jf@ve3jf.#eon.on.can
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Date: Mon, 18 Jan 93 15:45:06 EST
From: barry@dgbt.doc.ca (Barry McLarnon)
Subject: mids & bids ??
To: tcp-group@ucsd.edu
> My concern is that a good base of NOS/NET knowledgable folk are listening
> to NOS-BBS???
There are over a hundred subscriptions, many of which are local mail
exploders, so I think it's safe to say there are plenty of knowledgable
folk listening.
> The other problem is that TCP-GROUP is digested and sent all over the
> amateur radio world. I get it here locally on AMPR via BBS connect and
> I make it available via NNTP. Is the NOS-BBS group similiarly available?
No reason why it couldn't be. I don't have the digestifier working yet
(it currently dumps core instead of building digests :-( ), but it's
coming...
> Doug
Barry
--
Barry McLarnon | Internet: barry@dgbt.doc.ca
Communications Research Center | AMPRnet: barry@bbs.ve3jf.ampr.org
Ottawa, Canada K2H 8S2 | PBBSnet: ve3jf@ve3jf.#eon.on.can
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Date: Mon, 18 Jan 93 09:49:17 EST
From: kz1f@RELAY.WESTBORO.LEGENT.COM
Subject: mids and bids
To: tcp-group@ucsd.edu
Dr Jack writes...
...
> for subscribe info please.... This is tcpip-group (not OS/NOS version holy
> war...
Ah, darn, I was just warming up.
Walt
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Date: Mon, 18 Jan 93 17:57:31 -0800
From: karn@qualcomm.com (Phil Karn)
Subject: more on update
To: tcp-group@ucsd.edu
I forgot to mention that I also placed in ucsd.edu:/hamradio/packet/tcpip/ka9q
copies of the makefile and config.h files used to create these new
executables I just uploaded. The choice of 386/non-386 is in the makefile.
Phil
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Date: Mon, 18 Jan 93 09:35:11 EST
From: kz1f@RELAY.WESTBORO.LEGENT.COM
Subject: NT
To: tcp-group@ucsd.edu
> Hi all, I have some good news and some bad news!
> First the good news, Microsoft announced NT wont ship till '94.
> Now the bad new, IBM is helping them.
I was saying this in jest. I personally dont see NT being available till
probably '94, but it could go early (December 93). As far as IBM helping them,
well stranger things have happened but I would guess not in this lifetime.
It was intended to be an eye-opener, that perhaps would rattle a few cages a
bit. Let the games begin! Walt
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Date: Mon, 18 Jan 93 14:16:01 EST
From: tstader@aol.com
Subject: PK88 hanging xmitter in KISS
To: tcp-group@ucsd.edu
Mike, every once in awhile I see this problem with my PK88 also running in
the KISS mode..... I have had it happen when there are sveral users ftp'ing
large and many files from my system! I have one user that has as many a 7
sessions open at one time! My problem has occured about half a dozen times..
half of them I have caught, others have stayed on for hours at a time... my
TS-711A just cooks away!
I'd appreciate hearing what people have said to you.
73 for now.... c u on the shortwaves
Terry Stader - KA8SCP
America Online Ham Radio Club Host
Internet: tstader@aol.com (files <28K) or
tstader@attmail.com ( files >28K)
KA8SCP@WA1PHY.#EMA.MA.USA.NOAM
ka8scp@ka8scp.ampr.org [44.56.4.82] Mac
ka8scp-1@ka8scp-1.ampr.org [44.56.4.120] DOS Clone
(they're BOTH pc's!)
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Date: Mon, 18 Jan 93 13:42:59 EST
From: kz1f@RELAY.WESTBORO.LEGENT.COM
Subject: PM NOS
To: tcp-group@ucsd.edu
Now for the really serious stuff, boring, but serious. I have uploaded the
files PMNOS1DX.zip and PMNOS1DS, executable/inf and source, respectively, to
UCSD this past weekend. These files have been updated to reflect a 15k stack as
opposed to a 10k. These are/were in the hamradio/packet/tcpip/incoming, however
they most probably will find their way into the OS/2 subdirectory. Walt
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