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Info-Hams Digest Mon, 4 Apr 94 Volume 94 : Issue 375
Today's Topics:
73
Amateur Forwarding Rules Ammended
DSP filters
FCC.GOV (2 msgs)
HELP: My Satellite Tracking Program Won't Work
HELP: On-line QST Index?
IC-206A info Help
Mount Athos and Cyprus
Propagation Forecast Bulletin 13 ARLP013
Royal WE (2 msgs)
VHF/UHF Station For Sale
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Date: Mon, 4 Apr 1994 17:10:12 GMT
From: ihnp4.ucsd.edu!usc!yeshua.marcam.com!news.kei.com!world!dts@network.ucsd.edu
Subject: 73
To: info-hams@ucsd.edu
In article <199404041336.GAA12240@ucsd.edu> William=E.=Newkirk%Pubs%GenAv.Mlb@ns14.cca.CR.rockwell.COM writes:
>>*best* or *very*. Whats all this nonsense with *KN* when *K* is
>>all thats needed? 73
>>Russell Lee G6GL
>
>i'm not sure either. it seems to be the "standard" these days -- and it's
>shown in the typical new license study guides.
>
>i could see where a net control or a dx station or special event station would
>use KN, but in the normal run of things, it seems that KN is not needed --
>i've never found myself in the situation where there were people calling me
>when i turned it over in a QSO...
On RTTY, the distinction between K and KN is normally respected. It is
not uncommon to have a large roundtable on RTTY and need to specify whether
you want a quick answer from someone (use KN) or want to pass along to
the next station and allow anyone else who wants to join the
group to do so.
In RTTY contesting it is a way to say "ONLY THAT STATION" when trying to
call one station out of a pile.
>
>and of course KN assumes that the person anxious to call is going to pay
>attention to that "instruction" anyway....
At least on RTTY, this isn't usually true... People are pretty polite.
>
>73, bill wb9ivr
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Daniel Senie Internet: dts@world.std.com
Daniel Senie Consulting n1jeb@world.std.com
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Date: Mon, 4 Apr 1994 19:17:40 GMT
From: ihnp4.ucsd.edu!library.ucla.edu!csulb.edu!csus.edu!netcom.com!marcbg@network.ucsd.edu
Subject: Amateur Forwarding Rules Ammended
To: info-hams@ucsd.edu
FCC NEWS
Report No. DC-2582 ACTION IN DOCKET CASE April 4, 1994
COMMISSION AMENDS RULES CONCERNING MESSAGE FORWARDING
SYSTEMS IN THE AMATEUR SERVICE
(PR DOCKET NO. 93-85)
The FCC has relaxed the amateur service rules to enable
contemporary message forwarding systems to operate at hundreds of
characters per second while retaining safeguards to prevent
misuse.
A message forwarding system is a group of amateur stations
participating in a voluntary, cooperative, interactive
arrangement where communications from the control operator of an
originating station are transmitted to one or more destination
stations via forwarding stations, which may or may not be
automatically controlled.
Currently, the control operator of each station is
held individually accountable for each message retransmitted,
resulting in unnecessary content review and delays. The American
Radio Relay League, Inc. (League) stated that the obligation of
the control operator of the first forwarding station should be
the establishment of the identity of the station originating the
message. Only when this is not done should these control
operators be held accountable for improper message content.
Also, there are currently no central supervisory authority in an
ad hoc amateur service digital network, making these unsupervised
systems easy targets for misuse by uncooperative operators and
non-licensees. Moreover, the Commission said that it could be
difficult to establish after the fact that a particular VHF
station originated a fleeting high speed digital transmission.
For these reasons, the Commission said there must be on-going
oversight of the system and the control operators of the first
forwarding stations are in the best position to provide such
oversight.
Therefore, the Commission will hold accountable only the
licensees of the station originating a messsage and the licensee
of the first station forwarding a message in a high speed message
forwarding system. The licensee of the first forwarding station
must either authenticate the identity of the station from which
it accepts communications on behalf of the system, or accept
accountability for the content of the message.
The Commission also clarified that the station that receives
a communication directly from the originating station and
introduces it into the message forwarding system is the first
forwarding station.
The League and the Colorado Council of Amateur Radio Clubs
suggested that the Commission substitute the word
"simultaneously" for "instantaneously" in the redefinition of a
repeater. The Commission concurred and adopted this
modification.
The Commission believes that these rule changes will enable
contemporary high speed message forwarding systems to operate as
their designers intended, while retaining the minimum safeguards
necessary to prevent misuse.
Action by the Commission March 30, 1994, by Report and Order
(FCC 94-76). Chairman Hundt, Commissioners Quello and Barrett.
-FCC-
News Media contact: Patricia A. Chew at (202) 632-5050.
Private Radio Bureau contact: William T. Cross at (202) 632-
4964.
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Marc B. Grant Voice Mail: 214-246-1150
marcbg@netcom.com Amateur Radio N5MEI
marcbg@esy.com Computer & Information Security
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Date: Mon, 4 Apr 1994 12:20:12 GMT
From: amiserv!vpnet!tellab5!jwa@uunet.uu.net
Subject: DSP filters
To: info-hams@ucsd.edu
In article <Pine.3.87.9403301258.C44564-0100000@fep01.rfc.comm.harris.com> slg@rfc.COMm.harris.COM (Steven L Goldstein) writes:
>>DSPs are proving to be peculiar creatures. Some people like them and
>>some don't. I found out for $359.00 that I'm one of the ones that
>>don't. I never could get used to the sound. Yes, they do reduce white
>>noise and ARE extremely effective on heterodynes, but they add a strange
>>digital ringing kind of sound of their own.
>
>>W7LZP
>
He should hear the Hamblaster!
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Date: 4 Apr 94 18:22:40 GMT
From: news-mail-gateway@ucsd.edu
Subject: FCC.GOV
To: info-hams@ucsd.edu
Tnx to those who replied to my original posting. Ifigured out
my syntax problem.
Seth T KC2WE
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Date: Mon, 4 Apr 1994 19:16:25 GMT
From: ihnp4.ucsd.edu!galaxy.ucr.edu!library.ucla.edu!news.ucdavis.edu!modem63.ucdavis.edu!ddtodd@network.ucsd.edu
Subject: FCC.GOV
To: info-hams@ucsd.edu
taylor@tix.timeplex.COM (Seth Taylor) wrote:
>Tried to log into ftp.fcc.gov and I could not login as anonymous
>with my IP address as a password (usual procedure to get into an
>open FTP site). Any ideas ?
Well, I just tried both ftp.fcc.gov and fcc.gov and both worked just fine.
Most sites want your e-mail address rather that your IP address, this may have
been the problem, I also spell anonymous incorrectly enough that if a login
ever fails I try again.
cheers,
Dan
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Date: 3 Apr 1994 12:54:03 -0700
From: ihnp4.ucsd.edu!swrinde!sgiblab!barrnet.net!nntp.crl.com!not-for-mail@network.ucsd.edu
Subject: HELP: My Satellite Tracking Program Won't Work
To: info-hams@ucsd.edu
Hello,
I downloaded the program sattrack for my UNIX box at home and compiled
it under linux. Everything went okay until I tried the program. The
program kept on telling me that the satellites have "crashed already".
I tried AO-21, Mir and Oscar 13, they all gave me the same result, and
I know, for a fact, that the satellites have not been crashed :-).
Please help me, thanks in advance.
73 de KE6BCU, Benjie
-------here are the scripts I used and the results I got back---------------
Here are the lines I used for AO-21:
AO-21
1 21087U 91006A 94069.83595116 .00000094 00000-0 82657-4 0 4439
2 21087 82.9370 215.4726 0036191 0.5572 359.5617 13.74535665156075
Here is the line I used for Sunnyvale CA in the sites.dat file
Sunnyvale CA 37.283333 122.200000 50.0
And here is what I got from the program, running "sattrack -v"
wales{benjie}41: sattrack -v
SatTrack V1.0
Ground station : Sunnyvale CA
Satellite : AO-21
Element set : tle
Element set type : NASA
Time zone : PST (-8)
Duration : 5.0 d
Min elevation : 48.0 deg
Ground station < Sunnyvale CA> : Sunnyvale CA
Ground station : Sunnyvale CA
Latitude : 1.000000 deg N
Longitude : 48.000000 deg W
Altitude : -49.000000 m
Satellite name < AO-21> : AO-21
Two-line elements < tle> : tle
AO-21
1 21087U 91006A 94069.83595116 .00000094 00000-0 82657-4 0 4439
2 21087 82.9370 215.4726 0036191 0.5572 359.5617 13.74535665156075
Satellite name : AO-21
Satellite number : 21087
Element set : 443
Epoch : 94008.000000000 d 08-01-94 00:00:00.000 UTC
Mean anomaly : 4.000000000 deg
Arg of perigee : 0.000000000 deg
RAAN : 4.000000000 deg
Inclination : 3.000000000 deg
Eccentricity : 0.003619100
Mean motion : 8.000000000 rev/d
Decay rate : 8.000000000 rev/d^2
Orbit : 15607
Display Prediction Restart Quit <D> ? d
SatTrack KE6BCU
AO-21 TRACKING MONITOR
Ground Stn : Sunnyvale CA Date: __-__-__ Radio Beacon : 146.000 MHz
Satellite : AO-21 Day : ___ ___ Doppler Shift: -__.___ kHz
Inclination: 3.000 deg UTC : __:__:__ Path Loss : ___.___ dB
Orbit : _____ ___._ % _ PST : __:__:__ Phase (0-256): ___.___
Sun Azi/Ele: ___._ -__._ deg Mode (ABJLS): __
Azimuth : ___.___ deg Latitude N : -__.___ deg
Elevation : -__.___ deg Longitude W : -___.___ deg
Range : _____.___ km Height : _____.___ km
Range Rate: -__.___ km/s Velocity : _____.___ km/s
State Vector X: -_____.___ km Y: -_____.___ km Z: -_____.___ km
VX: -_____.___ km/s Y: -_____.___ km/s Z: -_____.___ km/s
Next AOS : ___/__:__:__ PST AOS Azimuth : ___.___ deg _
Duration : ___/__:__:__ MEL Azimuth : ___.___ deg _
Next LOS : ___/__:__:__ PST LOS Azimuth : ___.___ deg _
Countdown : ___/__:__:__ Max Elevation: __.___ deg
Satellite has crashed already!
--
Benjie Chen benjie@hh.sbay.org benjie@wales.sbay.org
KE6BCU@N0ARY.#NOCAL.CA.USA.NOAM KE6BCU on the air / 147.315 +.600 pl151.4
Join Internet Amateur Mathematics Society. Email listserv@hh.sbay.org with
"FAQ iams" in the body of the message.
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Date: 4 Apr 1994 18:37:56 GMT
From: lerc.nasa.gov!nova.sti.nasa.gov!newsfeed.gsfc.nasa.gov!lvn@purdue.edu
Subject: HELP: On-line QST Index?
To: info-hams@ucsd.edu
Is there one? I looked through the ARRL file server index and did
not find one. If not available, does anyone know if QST, CQ, etc.
are searchable through the services on Compuserve? I'm looking to
go back a number of years.
Thanks, Larry, K3TLX
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Date: 4 Apr 94 14:25:13 -0600
From: ihnp4.ucsd.edu!swrinde!gatech!news-feed-2.peachnet.edu!darwin.sura.net!atlas.tntech.edu!jmg@network.ucsd.edu
Subject: IC-206A info Help
To: info-hams@ucsd.edu
Does anyone have information and/or opinions about the Icom IC-260A all mode 2
meter rig?
good/bad.. worth?
thanks
Jeff, AC4HF
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Date: 4 Apr 94 22:25:30 GMT
From: news-mail-gateway@ucsd.edu
Subject: Mount Athos and Cyprus
To: info-hams@ucsd.edu
To : All Radio Amateurs
The DXCC commitee
The DXAC commitee
Gentlemen,
A recent "Proposed Vote for Schedule" has been announced by the DXAC
Chairman, which includes the topics of Mount Athos Deletion and acceptance
of the pseudo-state of the occupied part of Cyprus, in the DXCC list.
It is quite clear to us and probably to every greek radio amateur, that the
above proposal, sounds like a blackmail effort or a threat. It can easily be
translated to "make SV/A active again, or we delete it, and add the pseudo-
state instead", or even to "behave or you will be punished".
We would like to remind to Mr. Chairman, as well as any one else behind
these proposals, the followings :
- The pseudo-state that you propose to accept as a DXCC country has
resulted from the unprovoked invasion of the Turks military forces in Cyprus,
in 1974. It is therefore a result of a violent act, from one country against
another. Are you gentlemen of the DXAC commitee going to appraise
and encourage such acts, by proposals like the one mentioned above?
- Are you aware gentlemen, that the northern part of Cyprus is still -
since 1974- under armed occupation, by the Turkish Armed Forces and
that there are still homeless people, forced to abandon their properties
and home land? We very well remember that some years ago, when Iraq
invaded Kuwait, an international force was assembled to liberate the
occupied country. Of course, such a force was never assembled for
Cyprus, but then again, Cyprus is not producing any oil. This however
does not give you, or anybody else, the right to create a status quo, with
stupid proposals, like yours.
- The pseudo-state gentlemen, has not been recognized by any
international organization (like UN or EC) or by any other country, except
of course Turkey. Are you gentlement going to replace these
international organizations in their role, or your real intentions are to
exercize pressure to these organizations to recognize countries
according to your (hidden, possibly financial) wishes (or interests)? Also,
are you aware that there have been several appeals to the UN against Turkey,
and that Turkey has been condemned by the UN for its acts? Are you
encouraging Turkey's acts by your proposals?
- The DXAC, the DXCC and all other radio amateur organizations, as
well as radio amateurs themselves, have to stick to the rules of amateur
radio, as they are defined after years of ham activity. One of the most
basic rules of our hobby is that amateur radio stays clear of politics
or personal financial interests. How can it be then, that you are currently
taking part in a very old debate between Cyprus and Turkey? Is it
possible that financial reasons are behind your proposals?
- The Mount Athos gentlemen is not just a banch of "mounts". It is a holy
area of the Romanian, Yugoslavian, Russian, Bulgarian and Greek
churches, or even better put, of the whole Christian Orthodox world.
Mount Athos is entirely populated by monks, and Apollo is the only monk
in the whole world who is an active radio amateur (at least from what we
are aware of). When Apollo stopped its DX activities, a lot of hams
around the world complained and urge him to repeate them. Now
gentlemen, you are proposing the deletion of SV/A from the DXCC list.
Of course, this is not the first time that you are making such proposals,
maybe because you consider yourselves authorised to decide on
subjects affecting everybody in our hobby, without asking anybody's
opinion.
As far as we are concerned, dear fellow hams, we promise you that if these
proposals are ever voted, we will stop all DX activities, and will encourage
other Greek hams to do the same, so that the SV prefix becomes as rare as the
SV/A is today. Then again, the DXCC commitee might very well delete SV from
their list, but we certainly do not care to be part of a list created by
ignorant, politically influenced mappets.
The following radio amateurs are signing this message :
John Caradimas (SV1CEC) Dimitris Kaiafas (SV1BTW)
49, Lomvardou Street 16, Manis Street
114-74, Athens 124-62, Chaidari, Athens
GREECE GREECE
Danae Nika (SV1CIQ) Dimitris Gavalas (SV1BTO)
49 Lomvardou Street 47, Kassomouli Street
114-74, Athens 117-44, Athens
GREECE GREECE
Korina Sfakiotaki (SV1CDQ)
47 Kassomouli Street
117-44, Athens
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Date: Mon, 4 Apr 1994 19:20:46 GMT
From: ihnp4.ucsd.edu!galaxy.ucr.edu!library.ucla.edu!csulb.edu!csus.edu!netcom.com!marcbg@network.ucsd.edu
Subject: Propagation Forecast Bulletin 13 ARLP013
To: info-hams@ucsd.edu
ZCZC AP27
QST de W1AW
Propagation Forecast Bulletin 13 ARLP013
>From Tad Cook, KT7H
Seattle, WA April 2, 1994
To all radio amateurs
SB PROP ARL ARLP013
ARLP013 Propagation de KT7H
Solar flux is dropping. This week saw it dip below 90. In a few
days it should start increasing again to peak near 105 around
April 9. Then it should drop back to current levels about the third
week in April.
For the next few days expect increasingly disturbed conditions due
to a recurring coronal hole. The worst conditions are predicted for
April 5 and 6, but stormy conditions will probably last through the
middle of the month, quieting down gradually.
For the long term, the NOAA Space Environment Service Center has
released some new observations for the rest of this cycle and the
start of the next. They note that sunspot cycles are not exactly 11
years, but vary around a mean of 10.2 to 11.8 years. A short
current cycle would put the minimum around late 1996. A long cycle
would end in late 1999. Another clue is a theory that places the
solar minimum for any cycle about three to five years after the
first spotless day following the peak of the cycle. That day
occurred last fall, so the minimum should be some time from late
1996 to 1998.
Sunspot Numbers from March 24 through 30 were 46, 56, 39, 41, 32, 23
and 48, with a mean of 40.7. 10.7 cm flux was 92.7, 90.9, 88.5,
88.4, 87.6, 86.1 and 86.3, with a mean of 88.6.
The path projection for this week is from Tuscaloosa, Alabama to
Yemen.
80 meters looks good from 0030z to 0230z, and 40 meters from 2330z
to 0330z. Check 30 meters from 2300z to 0130z, and again from 0300z
to 0415z. 20 meters should be good from 2030z to around sundown on
the U.S. end, and 17 meters from 1800z to sundown. 15 meters does
not look promising, but check from 1800z to 2130z. Openings on 12
and 10 meters look very unlikely, but are most likely in the
afternoon.
NNNN
/EX
--
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Marc B. Grant Voice Mail: 214-246-1150
marcbg@netcom.com Amateur Radio N5MEI
marcbg@esy.com Computer & Information Security
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Date: 4 Apr 94 18:55:22 GMT
From: agate!howland.reston.ans.net!math.ohio-state.edu!magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu!csn!col.hp.com!srgenprp!news.dtc.hp.com!hpscit.sc.hp.com!hpuerci.atl.hp.com!hpuerca!edh@ucbvax.berkeley.edu
Subject: Royal WE
To: info-hams@ucsd.edu
In line with an earlier post, I have changed to a new thread
subject (though I find the 73/73s subject amusing too).
Why _do_ people switch to the "we" when they mean "I"?
Unless the callsign is JY1 or similar well-known true
"royal" person(s). I've always had to presume the speaker
must have a mouse in his/her pocket.
That is unless you are in a QSO with me and my wife
(KI5EV-Dawn) is in the shack with me :-)
"We have a SB1600 here!"
Cheerses and best regardes.
Ed Humphries - N5RCK
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Date: 4 Apr 1994 19:25:39 GMT
From: ihnp4.ucsd.edu!usc!math.ohio-state.edu!news.acns.nwu.edu!casbah.acns.nwu.edu!rdewan@network.ucsd.edu
Subject: Royal WE
To: info-hams@ucsd.edu
In article <edh.765480938@hpuerca>,
Ed Humphries <edh@hpuerca.atl.hp.com> wrote:
>In line with an earlier post, I have changed to a new thread
>subject (though I find the 73/73s subject amusing too).
>
>Why _do_ people switch to the "we" when they mean "I"?
>Unless the callsign is JY1 or similar well-known true
>"royal" person(s). I've always had to presume the speaker
>must have a mouse in his/her pocket.
>
>That is unless you are in a QSO with me and my wife
>(KI5EV-Dawn) is in the shack with me :-)
>"We have a SB1600 here!"
>
>Cheerses and best regardes.
>Ed Humphries - N5RCK
Heard on the local 147.345 machine:
Ham: We are going to Dayton this year.
I: Who is going with you?
Ham: Just we are going.
Aaargh!
Rajiv
aa9ch
r-dewan@nwu.edu
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Date: Mon, 4 Apr 1994 18:22:51 GMT
From: ihnp4.ucsd.edu!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!EU.net!uknet!bnr.co.uk!corpgate!nrtpa038!brtph560!brtph8db!rlukas@network.ucsd.edu
Subject: VHF/UHF Station For Sale
To: info-hams@ucsd.edu
VHF/UHF Yaesu FT736R 2M/6M/70CM modules installed. Unit has built in
AC power supply and can be used on external 12vdc supplay as well. Radio
manuals and boxes. If interested call me at work
(919) 991-7265 or at home (919) 833-0199 and lv msg or lv msg
for 'rlukas@bnr.ca' on internet.
Asking $1600 shipped
Also have a MIRAGE D1010N amplifier 10w in 100w out with N connectors.
This model does not have a pre-amp. Works in SSB or FM modes.
Asking $280
Thanks es 73 de Bob KB9MS Raleigh N.C.
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Date: Mon, 4 Apr 1994 17:14:48 GMT
From: news.mtholyoke.edu!world!dts@uunet.uu.net
To: info-hams@ucsd.edu
References <764973671snx@bsdihi.atr.bso.nl>, <2nf4ra$ka3@search01.news.aol.com>, <1994Apr4.153626.24688@ve6mgs.ampr.org>
Subject : Re: STOP SENDING HAMS ON USENET CRAP !!!
In article <1994Apr4.153626.24688@ve6mgs.ampr.org> mark@ve6mgs.ampr.org (Mark G. Salyzyn) writes:
>Anyone that thinks up a title like this wants a flame war or is a newby. I will
>not oblige, however, a sane individual asks:
>
>teacherjh@aol.com (Teacherjh) writes:
>
>>However, the best solution I can come up
>>with would be to put the actual postings in one usenet group, and have a short
>>message in all the others pointing to that usenet area (and an ftp site also)
>>where they can get the info.
>
>It is posted as *one* set of articles, cross-posted to four groups. It *is*
>effectively posted to one group, the pointer being the Cross-posting list
>in the Newsgroups: line.
Could you please cite examples of news readers that DO get this "correct"?
I use rn, and I see crosspostings once per newsgroup they are posted to.
The system I have has every newsreader known to Unixkind, so if there is
one that gets this "right", I'd like to try it.
The "problem" is most definitely NOT limited to AOL.
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Daniel Senie Internet: dts@world.std.com
Daniel Senie Consulting n1jeb@world.std.com
508-779-0439 Compuserve: 74176,1347
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