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Info-Hams Digest Mon, 4 Apr 94 Volume 94 : Issue 374
Today's Topics:
73 (4 msgs)
Checks, as in $$$
FCC.GOV
For SP-DX contesters only!
Hamradio FTP area on World?
Large Diameter Air-Core Coils
Misc. Questions on Choosing a Dual-Band HT
Operation of Ham radios on planes
STOP SENDING HAMS ON USENET CRAP !!!
WANTED: Comments on Oakland FTP site
Wanted: Programable Keyer
Weather obs by packet
Where to buy crystals
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Date: Mon, 4 Apr 1994 13:03:59 GMT
From: netcomsv!netcom.com!greg@decwrl.dec.com
Subject: 73
To: info-hams@ucsd.edu
In article <HIDEG.94Apr1124921@spsd10b.erim.org> hideg@spsd10b.erim.org (Steve Hideg) writes:
>Someone on here said that "saying 73 without the s sounds stupid."
>
>To me, '73' is merely a code, or token that stands for something else.
>In this case it is "best regards", which is plural.
Whos careses anyways?
Greg
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Date: 4 Apr 94 13:31:17 GMT
From: news-mail-gateway@ucsd.edu
Subject: 73
To: info-hams@ucsd.edu
>*best* or *very*. Whats all this nonsense with *KN* when *K* is
>all thats needed? 73
>Russell Lee G6GL
i'm not sure either. it seems to be the "standard" these days -- and it's
shown in the typical new license study guides.
i could see where a net control or a dx station or special event station would
use KN, but in the normal run of things, it seems that KN is not needed --
i've never found myself in the situation where there were people calling me
when i turned it over in a QSO...
and of course KN assumes that the person anxious to call is going to pay
attention to that "instruction" anyway....
73, bill wb9ivr
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Date: Mon, 4 Apr 1994 15:35:45 GMT
From: ihnp4.ucsd.edu!agate!howland.reston.ans.net!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!news.msfc.nasa.gov!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!world!drt@network.ucsd.edu
Subject: 73
To: info-hams@ucsd.edu
Steve Hideg (hideg@spsd10b.erim.org) wrote:
: Someone on here said that "saying 73 without the s sounds stupid."
: To me, '73' is merely a code, or token that stands for something else.
: In this case it is "best regards", which is plural.
: I just make a simple substitution: '73' instead of 'best regards'. Is
: that too difficult to comprehend?
Welcome to the wonderful world of normal linguistic change!
No, everyone understands "73". And you can go ahead and use it
without fear that the Logical Grammar police will start looking for
you. No one is claiming that "73" means "best regard". But I don't
think you understood that first post - they're arrayed in force
against "73s". People stick the "s" for euphony. It sounds better.
It's a normal linguistic development, it's commonplace, we all do such
things all the time ("a norange" > "an orange", it's still "la
naranja" in Spanish) and we all understand it. "73s" doesn't mean
"best regardses", no matter how much deductive logic people use to
show it (deductive logic only gets you so far in language), and it's
not confusing or ambiguous. If you don't like it, don't use it. But
if someone foregoes the simple substitution you happen to use, and
says "seventy-threes" on a repeater, what's the big deal?
We're not going to wipe this one out. Let's focus instead on that
"royal we", which makes far less sense and sounds really stupid. Or
something. Code wars. Anything.
Language changes all the time, and that's normal. Is *that* too
difficult for people to comprehend? Is "73s" really so offensive, or
so unclear, that we have to discuss it every month? Or do that many
people prefer "iced water"? (My wife drinks "ice water", which is
terribly illogical - how can a liquid be a solid? and if it is, how
do you drink ice? - yet no one from the "hypergrammar brigade"
corrects her - well, not since last century, anyway. Personally, I
drink iced tea. As for Ice T, I try to have nothing to do with it. )
-drt
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|David R. Tucker KG2S 8P9CL drt@world.std.com|
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Date: Mon, 4 Apr 1994 17:05:25 GMT
From: world!dts@uunet.uu.net
Subject: 73
To: info-hams@ucsd.edu
In article <gregCnqKAn.KIy@netcom.com> greg@netcom.com (Greg Bullough) writes:
>In article <HIDEG.94Apr1124921@spsd10b.erim.org> hideg@spsd10b.erim.org (Steve Hideg) writes:
>>Someone on here said that "saying 73 without the s sounds stupid."
>>
>>To me, '73' is merely a code, or token that stands for something else.
>>In this case it is "best regards", which is plural.
>
>Whos careses anyways?
>
>Greg
>
>
A lot of CW ops send it twice:
73 73 de N1JEB SK
or whatever. So people who say 73s on phone are just saving time over those
who would say 73 twice. ( :-) for humor impaired readers).
--
---------------------------------------------------------------
Daniel Senie Internet: dts@world.std.com
Daniel Senie Consulting n1jeb@world.std.com
508-779-0439 Compuserve: 74176,1347
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Date: 4 Apr 1994 13:20:45 GMT
From: ihnp4.ucsd.edu!library.ucla.edu!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!news.umbc.edu!haven.umd.edu!cville-srv.wam.umd.edu!ham@network.ucsd.edu
Subject: Checks, as in $$$
To: info-hams@ucsd.edu
You know how all of these companies are willing to print your checks for you?
I wonder if the ARRL has any kind of similar "HAM RADIO CHECK" printing
service?
And if not, why not?
Scott NF3I
--
73, _________ _________ The
\ / Long Original
Scott Rosenfeld Amateur Radio NF3I Burtonsville, MD | Live $5.00
WAC-CW/SSB WAS DXCC - 125 QSLed on dipoles __________| Dipoles! Antenna!
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Date: 4 Apr 94 14:28:31 GMT
From: news-mail-gateway@ucsd.edu
Subject: FCC.GOV
To: info-hams@ucsd.edu
Tried to log into ftp.fcc.gov and I could not login as anonymous
with my IP address as a password (usual procedure to get into an
open FTP site). Any ideas ?
Seth KC2WE
ex----WA2FNF,KZ5BA
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Date: 4 Apr 1994 13:43:16 GMT
From: ihnp4.ucsd.edu!usc!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!ux2.cso.uiuc.edu!ignacy@network.ucsd.edu
Subject: For SP-DX contesters only!
To: info-hams@ucsd.edu
I looked for SP stations last weekend but I could not find any. Most
probably a major geomagnetic disturbance took place. Can anyone confirm this?
According to QST this year contest was CW. Since CW and SSB contest
alternate each year, and last year contest was CW, was QST in error or have
rules changed?
Ignacy Misztal, NO9E, SP8FWB
University of Illinois
ignacy@uiuc.edu
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Date: 4 Apr 94 14:58:30 GMT
From: news-mail-gateway@ucsd.edu
Subject: Hamradio FTP area on World?
To: info-hams@ucsd.edu
Scott,
You periodically post this messages announcing this availability,
and I always get rejected when attempting an FTP session! When/what time
of day would you suggest to try it? I've only tried while at work. The
system always tells me they already have 25 FTP connections currently,
and therefore my attempt is rejected.
Paul
wb2oyc
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Date: Mon, 04 Apr 1994 06:12:45 GMT
From: ihnp4.ucsd.edu!dog.ee.lbl.gov!agate!howland.reston.ans.net!news.ans.net!malgudi.oar.net!witch!ted!mjsilva@network.ucsd.edu
Subject: Large Diameter Air-Core Coils
To: info-hams@ucsd.edu
In article <940403150200_1@ccm.hf.intel.com>, Cecil A Moore (Cecil_A_Moore@ccm.hf.INTel.COM) writes:
>
>Text item: Text_1
>
>I need some large diameter, 4-6", coils for some mobile antenna
>experiments. Long ago, one could just open a catalog and order
>Air-Dux coils of any size... are they still available? My junk
>box is getting very low. Does BW still sell 'em... anyone have
>BW's address if they do?
>
>
Ocean State Electronics in RI has them. 1-800-866-6626. I've never
noticed the prices on such large coils before so I took I look just to
make sure they have the big ones. Sit down for this: 6" dia., 10"
long coils run from $151 to $177! 4" by 10" range is $110 to $115. And
my catalog is 2 years old. The price increase from 3" and 4" sizes is
fivefold, so if 3" dia. is enough you'll save a bundle.
73,
Mike, KK6GM
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Date: 4 Apr 1994 00:20:13 GMT
From: ihnp4.ucsd.edu!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!newsserver.jvnc.net!netnews.upenn.edu!juliet.sas.upenn.edu!netaxs.com!davidson@network.ucsd.edu
Subject: Misc. Questions on Choosing a Dual-Band HT
To: info-hams@ucsd.edu
On 2 Apr 1994 07:27:46 GMT
Marc Richard Wollemborg (mrw13@namaste.cc.columbia.edu) wrote:
: Last time I posted a question about buying an HT, many responses said to
: make sure to ask around here... so here are a few more questions:
[snip]
: To help differentiate them, I would like to know how modifiable they are.
You should ftp to oak.oakland.edu in the pub/hamradio/mods sub-directory
and download the mods for the hts that interest you. That is the way that
I supplemented the QST article information before I decided to buy the
Alinco DJ-580T. :-)
73 de K3FZT (Steve)
--
Steven J. Davidson, MD, MBA, FACEP | 215.843.3001 voice | 215.843.3029 fax
Div. of EMS, 3426 Conrad Street, Suite 5, Philadelphia PA 19129-1651
davidson@ccc.medcolpa.edu | davidson@netaxs.com | 71535.204@compuserve.com
Opinions are _all_ mine. I'm often wrong, but never in doubt.
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Date: 4 Apr 94 07:31:49 EDT
From: ihnp4.ucsd.edu!library.ucla.edu!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!math.ohio-state.edu!caen!malgudi.oar.net!mercury.wright.edu!desire.wright.edu!matrix.cs.wright.edu!isoper@@.
Subject: Operation of Ham radios on planes
To: info-hams@ucsd.edu
>
> anyone know where the official rules on this might be found?
> the FCC rule book? the FAA's version of a rule book? i'd just
> like to be able to point to some "official" document that says
> yea, nay, or depends.
> --
> David Vangerov, KD6WXQ
David,
I believe you will find reference to this in the Fedaral Aviation
Regulations (FAR) published by the FAA. I cannot remeber the exact part
number of the FAR it is in but, go to your local general aviation
airport and ask the clerk who sell pilot accessories that you wish to
purchase a copy of the FAR. I think it might be in part 75 but I am not
really sure, and my copy of the FAR is at home. I do know part 135 covers
commerical operations so, it might be in that section also.
73, Wes WB8CEH
ps: It will be the section covering "electronic devices" they do not
specifically single out handle helds as a seperate item.
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Date: Mon, 4 Apr 94 15:36:26 GMT
From: ihnp4.ucsd.edu!usc!math.ohio-state.edu!cyber2.cyberstore.ca!nntp.cs.ubc.ca!alberta!adec23!mark@network.ucsd.edu
Subject: STOP SENDING HAMS ON USENET CRAP !!!
To: info-hams@ucsd.edu
Anyone that thinks up a title like this wants a flame war or is a newby. I will
not oblige, however, a sane individual asks:
teacherjh@aol.com (Teacherjh) writes:
>However, the best solution I can come up
>with would be to put the actual postings in one usenet group, and have a short
>message in all the others pointing to that usenet area (and an ftp site also)
>where they can get the info.
It is posted as *one* set of articles, cross-posted to four groups. It *is*
effectively posted to one group, the pointer being the Cross-posting list
in the Newsgroups: line.
>Maybe the same should be done for the FAQ
>lists... instead of periodic large postings everywhere, one periodic large
>posting in one newsgroup, and a short posting everywhere shoing how to get it
>from the newsgroup, and how to get it from an ftp site.
The cross-posting setup serves this purpose, the FAQs are but *one* each.
Sounds like AOL has a broken news reading server and is showing you an
incorrect picture of the actual news heirarchy associated with cross-postings.
>btw, where do they get the "hams on usenet" info? does somebody read evey post
>and look for a callsign at the bottom?
I get *overloaded* for the first two weeks with *add me's*, yes, a *lot* of
people read it. However, this might be the `I wanna see my name in lights'
syndrome, or it may be an actual altruistic desire to ensure that there is
an accurate representation of all the hams available on these newsgroups.
I shortened the list to only use the last 9 months (now increased 12 months),
and the massive set of updates I got increased the posted list back to it's
original `last 4 years' size ... The list *truly has a life of it's own ...
The database is now half a meg in size (far from the 20K size it was in
February 1990). The list is primarily collected manually to ensure accurate
interpretation of the signatures.
What is the consensus *now* (about 6 months ago, I hinted at reducing the
list, and possibly just not posting it because of the email server I have
here for the list, and the answer was `leave it be'). The list belongs to
rec.radio.amateur.*, you have several choices:
1) Post only changes, ftp and email server still function.
2) Post only a reminder on how to access the list from the buffalo.edu
ftp site, and how to use the email server.
3) reduce the posted list to the last 3 months, leaving the full lists
as they are in buffalo.edu and on the email server in any case.
4) go on a volunteer collecting bynge, and set up regional postings of
the list (won't work because of the number of misconfigured sites
out there ... but it would make the collector of the list less of a
target ;-/ )
5) leave it be
6) stop collecting the list (90/2->94/4 RIP)
7) give the list to someone else to provide a fresh outlook and more
options than I can think at this moment. An person with a long
USENET history and good ftp access an asset.
Please inundate my mailbox with votes as to which way we should go, in two
weeks, I will post the resulting straw poll of suggestions, and I will make a
random choice amoungst the poll as to what to do with the list ;-/
mail to `hams-on-usenet@ve6mgs.ampr.ab.ca' or `mark@ve6mgs.ampr.ab.ca'
Ciao, 73 de VE6MGS/Mark -sk-
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Date: Mon, 4 Apr 94 11:51:02 -0500
From: ihnp4.ucsd.edu!galaxy.ucr.edu!library.ucla.edu!csulb.edu!nic-nac.CSU.net!usc!howland.reston.ans.net!noc.near.net!news.delphi.com!usenet@network.ucsd.edu
Subject: WANTED: Comments on Oakland FTP site
To: info-hams@ucsd.edu
Hi Scott, works very well for me...Cecil, kg7bk@indirect.com
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Date: 4 Apr 1994 14:39:10 GMT
From: nothing.ucsd.edu!brian@network.ucsd.edu
Subject: Wanted: Programable Keyer
To: info-hams@ucsd.edu
In article <CnpE5o.8CC@news.Hawaii.Edu> jherman@uhunix3.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu (Jeffrey Herman) writes:
>Of the 100 or so worldwide 10M beacons none are in Hawaii. I've been wanting
>to remedy this for quite some time. I'll be using a CB xmtr recrystalled
>to 28.2xx MHz into a 5/8 wave antenna.
>The only item left to get is a programable keyer. Does anyone have one
>they want to sell (cheaply - it's for a good cause!)?
Good heavens, what do you need a keyer for? You've told us over and
over that you're God's gift to CW, and it's clear from the constancy of
your presence on Usenet you've little to do these days - why don't you
just sit there and pound out the beacon by hand?
After all, isn't manual Morse the One True Religion?
- Brian
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Date: Mon, 4 Apr 1994 11:26:39 GMT
From: ihnp4.ucsd.edu!agate!usenet.ins.cwru.edu!news.csuohio.edu!sww@network.ucsd.edu
Subject: Weather obs by packet
To: info-hams@ucsd.edu
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Date: Mon, 4 Apr 1994 16:20:31 GMT
From: ihnp4.ucsd.edu!sdd.hp.com!hpscit.sc.hp.com!cupnews0.cup.hp.com!news1.boi.hp.com!hp-pcd!hpcvsnz!tomb@network.ucsd.edu
Subject: Where to buy crystals
To: info-hams@ucsd.edu
Stamp (bstp_ltd@uhura.cc.rochester.edu) wrote:
: Can anyone recommend a place to buy crystals for HF use. I plan on building
: a QRP rig using HC/6U crystals. Any suggestions would be welcome.
If you can find "stock" frequencies you can use in DigiKey or Mouser
catalogs, that's a lot cheaper way to go than the "custom" route.
International Crystal or Jan Crystals are two places that will do
custom crystals for you, in the $10 each price range (depends on frequency
and tolerance and if you need them in a big hurry). 1-800-ICM-XTAL or
1-800-JAN-XTAL.
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Date: Mon, 4 Apr 94 15:45:33 GMT
From: ihnp4.ucsd.edu!mvb.saic.com!news.cerf.net!usc!math.ohio-state.edu!cyber2.cyberstore.ca!nntp.cs.ubc.ca!alberta!adec23!mark@network.ucsd.edu
To: info-hams@ucsd.edu
References <1994Mar30.214549.1792@unet.net.com>, <brett_miller.90.0013B1C5@ccm.hf.intel.com>, <765162276snx@llondel.demon.co.uk>
Subject : Re: STOP SENDING HAMS ON USENET CRAP !!!
dave@llondel.demon.co.uk (David Hough) writes:
>Failing that, how about posting with the same message IDs every month so all
>I have to do is keep the IDs on file to avoid getting the list every time.
>Not sure how long sites normally keep message IDs so not sure if it would
>work.
Nope, the previous message ID will prevent it *ever* posting again. It uses
a standardized message ID which you can easily interpret, though. Also, by cross
posting it to rec.radio.info, it is also easy to set up your
rec.radio.amateur.misc reading (or news feed) to `!rec.radio.info' to filter it
out. It is the *only* posting in rec.radio.info using *my* personal email
address, all the other postings I moderate into rec.radio.info use the
submitter's address. If you have no kill file, or feed control facitilites,
I strongly recommend to you to `get a real system', or inform your toy BBS
sysop `To upgrade or die'.
For those people that do not understand, tell your news or mail listserver feed
site to do a !rec.radio.info if all you wish to read is the discussions in
rec.radio.amateur.* groups. We endeavor to ensure that all informational or
large or periodical postings are cross-posted to rec.radio.info. By having the
cross-posting key, the people on *long links* or expensive mail connections
can filter out the large postings, leaving you with your desired discussions.
Ciao -- 73 de VE6MGS/Mark -sk-
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Date: Mon, 4 Apr 94 16:06:48 GMT
From: ihnp4.ucsd.edu!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!cyber2.cyberstore.ca!nntp.cs.ubc.ca!alberta!adec23!mark@network.ucsd.edu
To: info-hams@ucsd.edu
References <764973671snx@bsdihi.atr.bso.nl>, <brett_miller.89.000EBED5@ccm.hf.intel.com>, <2nhujs$7hg@news.tamu.edu>ubc.ca
Subject : Re: STOP SENDING HAMS ON USENET CRAP !!!
furuta@cs.tamu.edu (Richard Furuta) writes:
>I write mostly because the danger is that the Mark Salyzyn, VE6MGS,
>will read the original message and just decide that the work of
>maintaining the list isn't being appreciated and will decide to spend
>his time on something more rewarding.
I have far too thick of skin for this (although, this does not mean: I am not
willing to listen).
But the question of rewards is not an issue, if I was so inclined, the shear
quantity of email I get over the list of a positive nature is more than
enough gratification ;-/. I have received in the past 4 years only three
pieces of hate mail, one because he thought it was an invasion of privacy and
I have hidden his entry as he requested, the other two much like the original
poster of this thread not setting up his services correctly to kill the
article from his view.
About once every six months, because of the growing size of the list, or
because of some newby with an expensive email link posting some noise, I
grumble in certain ears, or publicly at times, about whether the list
is a bandwidth waster. I am grumbling again ... The consensus has been `leave
it be' prior to this (however, some qualify wondering if it would be better
with just a pointer posted considering there is an email server and an ftp
site, their voices are drowned out, but considered at every juncture in any
case).
As per not spending time on the list, `YES, I AM LOOKING FOR A REPLACEMENT',
but not because of the lack of reward, but because after four years, it is
time for a change. I am willing to continue looking after the list if *no*
one else steps forward. I have been looking, privately for the past 4 months up
until now, for a person willing to handle the list. The person *must* be
an administrator of his own long term USENET connected site and a willing
volunteer. Internet access would be good, but *I* do not have any, so
certainly not a must. I take roughly 15 minutes to an hour (however, right
after posting the list, I take up to four hours for the first three days) each
night (I *never* let the list maintenance go idle for more than a week) looking
after the list.
Ciao, 73 de VE6MGS/Mark -sk-
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