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Info-Hams Digest            Sat,  2 Apr 94       Volume 94 : Issue  366

Today's Topics:
                                  73
                 [News] Electricity, Leukemia Studied
       Daily Summary of Solar Geophysical Activity for 31 March
                        Obscenity on ham bands
              QSL Managers Wanted - 1994 ARRL DX Contest
                 Source for RF Power MOSFETS (IRF511)
                Which HF rigs have Transverter Jacks?

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Date: 1 Apr 94 12:49:21
From: ihnp4.ucsd.edu!usc!yeshua.marcam.com!zip.eecs.umich.edu!zip.eecs.umich.edu!hideg@network.ucsd.edu
Subject: 73
To: info-hams@ucsd.edu

Someone on here said that "saying 73 without the s sounds stupid."

To me, '73' is merely a code, or token that stands for something else.
In this case it is "best regards", which is plural.

I just make a simple substitution: '73' instead of 'best regards'. Is
that too difficult to comprehend?

73

--Steve Hideg
  hideg@erim.org

p.s. My repeater beeps and has an autopatch. My users love it, and don't
     abuse it.

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Date: Fri, 1 Apr 1994 14:56:03 GMT
From: ihnp4.ucsd.edu!swrinde!emory!wa4mei!ke4zv!gary@network.ucsd.edu
Subject: [News] Electricity, Leukemia Studied
To: info-hams@ucsd.edu

In article <CnJow6.H6B@news.Hawaii.Edu> jherman@uhunix3.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu (Jeffrey Herman) writes:
>Thought this might be of interest to everyone. Note that the phrase
>`statistically significant' was used also by the EPA and FCC in their
>joint study concerning leukemia and high RF fields conducted here in
>Honolulu in regard to three bcst xmtrs located in a residential
>neighborhood.

>USA TODAY Update
>March 31, 1994
>    
>ELECTRICITY, LEUKEMIA STUDIED:
>   A new report finds an "association" between exposure to 
>magnetic fields and leukemia. The study, in next month's American 
>Journal of Epidemiology, looked at records of more than 223,000 
>electric utility workers. It found a "statistically significant" 
>association, but no cause-and-effect relationship, between 
>exposure to magnetic fields and acute nonlymphocytic leukemia.

In the Atlanta Journal, the story said that they found an excess
of nonlymphocytic leukemia  of 1 in 200,000. IE 7 cases instead
of the expected 6 in the sample. Now I'm not a mathematician, but
I'm not convinced that's a statistically significant change. I
thought that probabilities on the same order as the sample size
were considered meaningless.

Gary
-- 
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Destructive Testing Systems |    we break it.     | uunet!rsiatl!ke4zv!gary
534 Shannon Way             |    Guaranteed!      | emory!kd4nc!ke4zv!gary 
Lawrenceville, GA 30244     |                     | 

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Date: Thu, 31 Mar 1994 23:09:04 MST
From: ihnp4.ucsd.edu!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!cyber2.cyberstore.ca!nntp.cs.ubc.ca!alberta!ve6mgs!usenet@network.ucsd.edu
Subject: Daily Summary of Solar Geophysical Activity for 31 March
To: info-hams@ucsd.edu

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                 DAILY SUMMARY OF SOLAR GEOPHYSICAL ACTIVITY

                                 31 MARCH, 1994

                /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\

                  (Based In-Part On SESC Observational Data)


SOLAR AND GEOPHYSICAL ACTIVITY INDICES FOR 31 MARCH, 1994
---------------------------------------------------------

NOTE: The intense stratospheric warming covers the polar region at 10 HPA.
       Mean zonal winds at 60N are continuously weakening and will begin an
       easterly direction at the beginning of April at 10 HPA.  The
       temperature gradient is reversed from 60N and the pole in the middle
       and upper stratosphere from 30 HPA upwards and in the lower
       stratosphere during the next day.  The final transition to summer
       conditions is expected to take place during April.

!!BEGIN!! (1.0) S.T.D. Solar Geophysical Data Broadcast for DAY 090, 03/31/94
10.7 FLUX=085.0  90-AVG=102        SSN=061      BKI=2212 2321  BAI=007
BGND-XRAY=A7.2     FLU1=5.4E+05  FLU10=1.2E+04  PKI=2212 2221  PAI=005
  BOU-DEV=016,014,008,018,013,020,012,005   DEV-AVG=013 NT     SWF=00:000
 XRAY-MAX= B2.8   @ 1336UT    XRAY-MIN= A5.8   @ 2305UT   XRAY-AVG= A9.6
NEUTN-MAX= +002%  @ 2345UT   NEUTN-MIN= -002%  @ 1250UT  NEUTN-AVG= +0.0%
  PCA-MAX= +0.2DB @ 2330UT     PCA-MIN= -0.3DB @ 0635UT    PCA-AVG= +0.0DB
BOUTF-MAX=55341NT @ 0526UT   BOUTF-MIN=55318NT @ 1843UT  BOUTF-AVG=55334NT
GOES7-MAX=P:+000NT@ 0000UT   GOES7-MIN=N:+000NT@ 0000UT  G7-AVG=+073,+000,+000
GOES6-MAX=P:+121NT@ 1940UT   GOES6-MIN=N:-090NT@ 0421UT  G6-AVG=+090,+024,-042
 FLUXFCST=STD:085,085,083;SESC:085,085,083 BAI/PAI-FCST=010,015,025/010,020,040
    KFCST=2223 3322 3344 4333  27DAY-AP=004,005   27DAY-KP=1112 1111 1112 1123
 WARNINGS=*GSTRM;*AURMIDWRN
   ALERTS=
!!END-DATA!!

NOTE: The Effective Sunspot Number for 30 MAR 94 was  42.8.
      The Full Kp Indices for 30 MAR 94 are: 1o 1o 1+ 4o   3+ 3- 3o 3o 
      The 3-Hr Ap Indices for 30 MAR 94 are:   4   4   5  26  20  13  15  15 
      Greater than 2 MeV Electron Fluence for 31 MAR is: 1.0E+07


SYNOPSIS OF ACTIVITY
--------------------

             Solar activity was very low.  Only minor optically
       uncorrelated B-class events were recorded this period.  A limb
       event in the form of an eruptive prominence occurred on the
       west limb at S16 between 31/0601Z and 31/0735Z. Maximum radial
       extent was 0.29 solar radii. Region 7698 (S17W11) has shown
       some growth over the last 24 hours. All other regions are
       stable and quiet.

            Solar activity forecast:  solar activity is expected to be
       very low to low.  Region 7698 exhibits the best chance of
       producing C-class activity.

            The geomagnetic field has been at quiet to unsettled levels
       for the past 24 hours.

            Geophysical activity forecast:  at middle latitudes, the
       geomagnetic field is expected to be mostly unsettled on day's
       one and two becoming active on day three.  At high latitudes,
       the field is expected to be unsettled on day one, mostly
       active on day two with active to minor storm conditions likely
       on day three.  A favorably positioned recurrent coronal hole
       feature is expected to produce the activity beginning on day
       two with active to storm conditions likely to persist through
       11 April.

            Event probabilities 01 apr-03 apr

                             Class M    01/01/05
                             Class X    01/01/01
                             Proton     01/01/01
                             PCAF       Green

            Geomagnetic activity probabilities 01 apr-03 apr

                        A.  Middle Latitudes
                        Active                15/25/30
                        Minor Storm           10/15/30
                        Major-Severe Storm    05/05/10

                        B.  High Latitudes
                        Active                15/25/30
                        Minor Storm           10/15/35
                        Major-Severe Storm    05/05/15

            HF propagation conditions were normal over all regions.
       Normal conditions are expected to persist through 02 April.  On
       03 April, a well-placed coronal hole is expected to begin
       elevating levels of geomagnetic and auroral activity.  Minor to
       major storming is expected to accompany this disturbance over
       the ensuing days in early April.  Based on recurrence, this
       disturbance could keep propagation conditions well below normal
       for most of the first two weeks in April.


COPIES OF JOINT USAF/NOAA SESC SOLAR GEOPHYSICAL REPORTS
========================================================

REGIONS WITH SUNSPOTS. LOCATIONS VALID AT 31/2400Z MARCH
--------------------------------------------------------
NMBR LOCATION  LO  AREA  Z   LL   NN MAG TYPE
7695  S15W38  059  0000 AXX  00  001 ALPHA
7696  S17W73  094  0070 DSO  05  007 BETA
7697  N11W28  049  0000 AXX  00  001 ALPHA
7698  S17W11  032  0050 DRO  05  012 BETA
7694  N11W50  071                    PLAGE
REGIONS DUE TO RETURN 01 APRIL TO 03 APRIL
NMBR LAT    LO
NONE


LISTING OF SOLAR ENERGETIC EVENTS FOR 31 MARCH, 1994
----------------------------------------------------
BEGIN  MAX  END  RGN   LOC   XRAY  OP 245MHZ 10CM   SWEEP
NONE


POSSIBLE CORONAL MASS EJECTION EVENTS FOR 31 MARCH, 1994
--------------------------------------------------------
 BEGIN        MAX      END     LOCATION   TYPE   SIZE  DUR  II IV
31/ 0601              0735       S16W90   EPL


INFERRED CORONAL HOLES. LOCATIONS VALID AT 31/2400Z
---------------------------------------------------
               ISOLATED HOLES AND POLAR EXTENSIONS
      EAST   SOUTH  WEST   NORTH  CAR  TYPE  POL  AREA   OBSN
72   N30W44 N08W64 N12W74 N31W49  076  ISO   POS   006 10830A
73   S35E86 S50E61 S28W23 S20W19  347  EXT   NEG   039 10830A


SUMMARY OF FLARE EVENTS FOR THE PREVIOUS UTC DAY
------------------------------------------------

 Date   Begin  Max   End  Xray  Op Region  Locn    2695 MHz  8800 MHz  15.4 GHz
------  ----  ----  ----  ----  -- ------ ------  --------- --------- ---------
30 Mar: 0757  0813  0830  C1.9                                         
        1157  1213  1223  B1.5                                         
        1737  1749  1758        SF  7696  S17W59                       
        2226  2230  2236  B1.1                                         


REGION FLARE STATISTICS FOR THE PREVIOUS UTC DAY
------------------------------------------------

                C   M   X     S   1   2   3   4   Total   (%)
               --  --  --    --  --  --  --  --    ---  ------
  Region 7696:  0   0   0     1   0   0   0   0    001  (25.0)
Uncorrellated: 1   0   0     0   0   0   0   0    003  (75.0)

 Total Events: 004 optical and x-ray.


EVENTS WITH SWEEPS AND/OR OPTICAL PHENOMENA FOR THE LAST UTC DAY
----------------------------------------------------------------

 Date   Begin  Max   End  Xray  Op Region  Locn    Sweeps/Optical Observations
------  ----  ----  ----  ----  -- ------ ------   ---------------------------
                            NO EVENTS OBSERVED.

NOTES:
     All times are in Universal Time (UT).  Characters preceding begin, max,
     and end times are defined as:  B = Before,  U = Uncertain,  A = After.
     All times associated with x-ray flares (ex. flares which produce
     associated x-ray bursts) refer to the begin, max, and end times of the
     x-rays.  Flares which are not associated with x-ray signatures use the
     optical observations to determine the begin, max, and end times.

     Acronyms used to identify sweeps and optical phenomena include:

          II        = Type II Sweep Frequency Event
          III       = Type III Sweep
          IV        = Type IV Sweep
          V         = Type V Sweep
          Continuum = Continuum Radio Event
          Loop      = Loop Prominence System,
          Spray     = Limb Spray,
          Surge     = Bright Limb Surge,
          EPL       = Eruptive Prominence on the Limb.


**  End of Daily Report  **

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Date: Fri, 1 Apr 1994 13:59:08 GMT
From: ihnp4.ucsd.edu!agate!howland.reston.ans.net!darwin.sura.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!cscsun!dtiller@network.ucsd.edu
Subject: Obscenity on ham bands
To: info-hams@ucsd.edu

 dhughes@prairienet.org (Dan Hughes) writes:
 >I just passed my no-code test last week, and have been listening to some 
 >ham chatter on my SW receiver.  Saturday night on 3910 kHz I heard some 
 >of the most disgusting language I've encountered anywhere.  One guy was 
 >spouting one obscentity after another, and three other guys were laughing 
 >at his inept signal and giving it right back to him.  All but the 
 >instigator were regularly giving their calls.  Is this pretty much what I 
 >have to look forward to?

I know at least one of those idiots peripherially.  I also know that one
of them is a tech class licensee using phone on 80m.  I wish I had one of
those kind of tech licenses - mine says HF phone on 10m only.  I wish I
could remember their names...
-- 
David Tiller           | Network Administrator | Voice: (804) 752-3710   |
dtiller@rmc.edu        | Randolph-Macon College| Fax:   (804) 752-7231   |
"Drunk, [Beowulf] slew | P.O. Box 5005         | ICBM:  37d 42' 43.75" N |
no hearth companions." | Ashland, Va 23005     |        77d 31' 32.19" W |

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Date: Fri, 1 Apr 1994 19:29:21 GMT
From: pa.dec.com!e2big.mko.dec.com!peavax.mlo.dec.com!sttng.mlo.dec.com!reisert@decwrl.dec.com
Subject: QSL Managers Wanted - 1994 ARRL DX Contest
To: info-hams@ucsd.edu

Here is a long list of "interesting" callsigns we worked in the 1994
ARRL DX contests (both CW and SSB).

I am looking for any known QSL managers.  If you know the manager for
one or more stations on this list, I would appeciate it.  I will be
posting a followup message with the results.

Thanks & 73 - Jim AD1C

3D2KR  DA2SV  LZ5W  TI4/AA7JM
3D2LA  DA2ZF  LZ6C  TI5RLI
3DA0CA  DU1AK  LZ6R  TK5EL
3V8AS  EA6ACC  NP4Z  TK5EP
4K2MAL  EA6BH  OA4CWR  TK5ML
4M1DX  EA6MQ  OA4ED  TM1C
4M2NY  EA6ZY  OA4EI  TM2T
4M5A  EA8AB  OA4QV  TM5G
4M5B  EA8AD  OD5SK  TM9C
4N1A  EA8AFJ  OH0KDY  TU2MA
4N1KT  EA8BXQ  OH0MM  TU2XZ
4N1Z  EA8CN  OL5PLZ  TU4EV
4N7M  EA8DM  OM0W  TU4SUP
4O70X  EA8PP  OM2I  TZ6LH
4O7AV  EA8ZS  OM3A  UR6F
4S7DA  EA9EU  OM5M  US5W
4S7EA  EA9IE  OM5R  US8Q
4S7RM  EA9LZ  OM7M  US9Q
4S7RO  EA9UK  OM8A  UT2I
5B4ABU  ED8USA  OT4T  UT7W
5B4ADA  EI6S  OT4V  UU1J
5N0SVL  EI7M  OY1HJ  UU5J
5V7JB  EI8W  P40J  V21AJ
5X1C  EL2PP  P40R  V26AS
5Z4JD  EX8F  P43GR  V29AD
6E2T  EX8W  P49V  V29NR
6Y5/KS0T FG5BP  PJ8CW  V31BW
6Y5IC  FG5FR  PJ8H  V31DX
7P8EB  FK8GS  PJ9B  V31LM
7P8EZ  FM5CD  PQ0Z  V31ML
7Q7TA  FM5DN  PQ4B  V31RL
7X2DG  FO0HAR  PR0R  V31TP
7X2HM  FP5CJ  PR2R  V31WW
7X2JF  FP5RO  PS0F  V44KAO
7X2TM  GB0THG  PV2A  V44NK
7Z1AB  GB5DX  PW2N  V47WK
7Z2AB  HC1HC  PY0FM  V50CM
8P6AF  HC1JOL  PZ1DY  V51C
8P9DX  HC1OT  PZ1EL  V51E
8R1/KK4WW HC1VK  RA1A  V7A
8R1/N4VA HC4MZ  RK2WY  VP2EEE
9A3B  HC5AI  RU0L  VP2MDB
9A5D  HG1S  RU1A  VP2MH
9A5Y  HG1W  RW1A  VP2VF
9A7A  HG5A  RX9W  VP5B
9G1NS  HG5C  S42ABF  VP5E
9G1PW  HG6Y  S50C  VP5P
9H1BT  HG7C  S50K  VP8ON
9H1DE  HH7PV  S50L  VP9GD
9H1EL  HI8LC  S50R  VP9KK
9H1FP  HI8OMA  S51W  VP9MZ
9J2FR  HK3JJH/1 S53M  VQ9QM
9K2UB  HP1XBH  S53O  VQ9SS
9K2ZC  HP1XQN  S53V  VQ9TV
9L2SH  HP2CWB  S54A  VR2IH
9L3AC  HR1ERL  S54W  WH6R
9Y4CG  HR1JRR  S54X  WP4U
9Y4VU  HR2BDC  S56A  X5BYZ
A22DX  HV4NAC  S56M  XA5T
A22EX  HZ1MM  S57A  XE1X
A35CT  I1A  S57C  XR1I
A35SQ  IB0C  S57J  YB0ARF
A71CW  IB4M  S57O  YB0ASI
AH8A  II2M  S57U  YB3OSE
BV/OH2BH II2T/3  S57X  YB6INU
C6AAC  II8R  S59A  YC0ARO
C6AFV  IO5A  S59L  YC2EWZ
C6AGN  IO7G  SN1I  YI9CW
C6AHK  IQ2A  SN3A  YL0A
C6AHL  IQ2L  SP1S  YN1EUG
CE0ZIS  IQ4A  SU2MT  YS1HCW
CL8FN  IQ6A  SV0AN  YS1X
CM2DD  IR0R  SV1ATV  YT1R
CM2LE  IR1A  SV1BSX  YT7A
CM7JD  IR1T  SV1CEI  YT7M
CN2GF  IR2W  SV1DT  YT7P
CN8EA  IR4G  SV1JA  YT9C
CN8ST  IS0R  SV1NA  YZ94DX
CO2CR  IU1R  SV2BFN  Z31ET
CO2DZ  IU2MM  SV2BOH  Z31GB
CO2HA  IU6F  SV2YC  Z31GX
CO2KK  IY0A  T30JJ  Z31PK
CP1BA  J69MV  T5YOU  Z32DR
CP5AU  JT1BV  T77C  Z32EO
CQ5UW  JT1M  T77J  Z32JA
CR3R  KG4CB  T77V  Z32KV
CR8BWW  KG4DX  T9/PA3DZN Z32RCA
CT3CU  KH8BB  T91AVW  Z32ZM
CT3FT  KP2/KE2VB T91EL  ZA/OK2PSZ
CT5P  KP2AD  T91ELD  ZA1B
CT9M  KP4CZ  T91ENS  ZA1MX
CU2AE  KP4RV  T92X  ZC4ML
CU2AF  KP4UK  T94IW  ZD7DP
CU2EA  KP4VA  T94ON  ZD8M
CU2EL  KP4VP  T94US  ZF2CF
CU2QN  L5P  T95X  ZF2ND
CU3BP  LA0T  T97T  ZF2RT
CX7BF  LA2O  T99T  ZF2WN
CX7BV  LR0DX  TA2MI  ZF8BS
CX8AT  LR73A  TA2ZI  ZK1AVY
D2EGH  LS0A  TA3D  ZP5CGL
D2SA  LT1N  TE5T  ZP5MAL
DA0FUL  LT1V  TG9AJR  ZP5XHM
DA1FJ  LT5F  TG9NX  ZP5XYE
DA1KD  LX4B  TI2CC  ZP6XR
DA1ND  LZ0A  TI2GN  ZP9XB
DA1VC  LZ5M  TI2LO  ZY2CP
DA2JV  LZ5R  TI2VVR  ZY2ZI

-- 
Jim Reisert AD1C                Internet:  reisert@mlo.dec.com
Digital Equipment Corp.         UUCP:      ...decwrl!mlo.dec.com!reisert
146 Main Street - MLO3-6/C9 Voice:     508-493-5747
Maynard, MA  01754  FAX:       508-493-0395

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Date: Fri, 1 Apr 1994 14:54:25 GMT
From: ihnp4.ucsd.edu!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!news.umbc.edu!haven.umd.edu!cs.umd.edu!zombie.ncsc.mil!admii!ovation!ramcad.pica.army.mil!mellis@@.
Subject: Source for RF Power MOSFETS (IRF511)
To: info-hams@ucsd.edu

I>> Can anyone tell me a source for IRF511/510 MOSFETs? Also are there other types of MOSFETs suitable saw a power of 40 or 50
>>watts range? Where can I get them? Tks.
>>
>>73,
>>Daniel
>
>Hell, I think Radio Shack carries the IRF511.  Probably expensive though.
>Try Digi-Key.
====================================

 Radio Shack carries the IRF-510  

 60 V, 3A, "On" resistance 0.6 Ohm.

 Part # 276-2072, cost: $1.99

 Source, 1993 R/S catalog. (latest I've got here).

    ----Mark N2WZB

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Date: Fri, 1 Apr 1994 15:01:14 GMT
From: ihnp4.ucsd.edu!usc!cs.utexas.edu!swrinde!emory!wa4mei!ke4zv!gary@network.ucsd.edu
Subject: Which HF rigs have Transverter Jacks?
To: info-hams@ucsd.edu

In article <1994Apr1.002144.141549@yuma> galen@picea.CFNR.ColoState.EDU (Galen Watts) writes:
>Subject line says most of it.  I know the Kenwood TS-820 has 'em and I've
>heard the TS-430 has 'em, but I'm not sure.  I'm mostly interested in
>synthesized rigs, but any info is greatly appreciated!!!
>Galen, KF0YJ

Icom IC-735 has them, IC-725 doesn't.

Gary
-- 
Gary Coffman KE4ZV          |    You make it,     | gatech!wa4mei!ke4zv!gary
Destructive Testing Systems |    we break it.     | uunet!rsiatl!ke4zv!gary
534 Shannon Way             |    Guaranteed!      | emory!kd4nc!ke4zv!gary 
Lawrenceville, GA 30244     |                     | 

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Date: Fri, 1 Apr 1994 14:48:22 GMT
From: ihnp4.ucsd.edu!usc!howland.reston.ans.net!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!emory!wa4mei!ke4zv!gary@network.ucsd.edu
To: info-hams@ucsd.edu

References <CnG3Jt.Htw@srgenprp.sr.hp.com>, <CnI0t1.DJ@seastar.org>, <2nfbjs$ilt@hpscit.sc.hp.com>
Reply-To : gary@ke4zv.atl.ga.us (Gary Coffman)
Subject : Re: How phasing SSB Exciters Work (Was:  RF and AF speech processors)

In article <2nfbjs$ilt@hpscit.sc.hp.com> rkarlqu@scd.hp.com (Richard Karlquist) writes:
>
>The tough part isn't the audio 90 degree shift or the RF 90 degree shift,
>it's getting amplitude and phase matched mixers.

That's easy, 7360s are almost ideal devices for this. 

Gary

-- 
Gary Coffman KE4ZV          |    You make it,     | gatech!wa4mei!ke4zv!gary
Destructive Testing Systems |    we break it.     | uunet!rsiatl!ke4zv!gary
534 Shannon Way             |    Guaranteed!      | emory!kd4nc!ke4zv!gary 
Lawrenceville, GA 30244     |                     | 

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Date: Fri, 1 Apr 1994 15:22:41 GMT
From: ihnp4.ucsd.edu!swrinde!emory!wa4mei!ke4zv!gary@network.ucsd.edu
To: info-hams@ucsd.edu

References <VBREAULT.94Mar25134216@rinhp750.gmr.com>, <Cn8ttu.AHI@news.hawaii.edu>, <2nf2sm$rt6@cosmos.nectech.com>
Reply-To : gary@ke4zv.atl.ga.us (Gary Coffman)
Subject : Re: Voice mail on a repeater?

In article <2nf2sm$rt6@cosmos.nectech.com> rbono@cosmos.nectech.com (Richard J. Bono) writes:
> Beeps breed bad habits!

No, they just don't *cure* bad habits. People can react the same way
to a squelch crash as to a beep. I've experienced one beep system
that *does* tend to cure bad habits, but I found it too obnoxious
to implement. It uses twin beeps. If you key after the first beep,
you get 10 seconds before repeater time out. If you wait for the
second beep, you get the normal 3 minutes. The gap is for breaking
stations to insert their callsigns. Getting everyone to patiently
wait their turn in a conversation is a lost cause when you have 
5 or 10 people all wanting to get their two cents in a hot discussion. 
It's the cocktail party, or beer and pizza, syndrome except that when 
several people try to talk through the repeater at once, you can't 
understand everyone. Even so, the tailgating and doubling are preferable
to a stuffy ordered roundtable.

Ideally, we'd all have duplex radios so we could do CSMA. For now,
the best we can do is try to avoid being long winded since we may
wind up having to repeat everything after we unkey and realize we
were doubling for the whole 2 minutes. :-(

Gary
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Gary Coffman KE4ZV          |    You make it,     | gatech!wa4mei!ke4zv!gary
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