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Info-Hams Digest Mon, 28 Mar 94 Volume 94 : Issue 336
Today's Topics:
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**Sudbury Amateur Radio PHONE BBS (NEW)
10M indoor problem.
Amateur Radio Newsline #867 25 Mar 94
DAYTON
Hole in car roof: Affect vehicle value?
query about paging systems
Question on Kenwood 732 A
RB319 Calling In Outsiders
What's a good 2m/440 mobile?
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Date: 28 Mar 94 15:45:57 GMT
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subscribe Jay R McVeigh
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Date: 28 Mar 94 15:51:49 GMT
From: dog.ee.lbl.gov!agate!howland.reston.ans.net!torn!penage.cs.laurentian.ca!not-for-mail@ucbvax.berkeley.edu
Subject: **Sudbury Amateur Radio PHONE BBS (NEW)
To: info-hams@ucsd.edu
Warmest Greetings All,
For your information and all thoes on fidonet, the Sudbury Amateur
radio phoneline BBS is now operational. This phoneline BBS is on fidonet
(1:224/50) The phone number is (705) 522-8381. The sysop is Mark Lehto
VE3 LSP. PLease if you have the opportunity check out this BBS. Mark
has big plans for this BBS but first we need to expand our client base.
It is the hope of Mark that this BBS could be used by the Club here
in Sudbury, Ontario, Canada. If you know of any other BBS that is Club owned
or sponsered please email me with information about the Club BBS.
Thank you for your time.
73's de Guy VE3 XGQ
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Date: 28 Mar 94 15:33:06 GMT
From: news-mail-gateway@ucsd.edu
Subject: 10M indoor problem.
To: info-hams@ucsd.edu
Text item: Text_1
>I am curious if the chicken wire is acting as an attenuator.
>Louis A. Destree
Hi Louis, of course, the chicken wire is forming a sort of Faraday
shield for your RF energy. Put your 1/2 wave center-fed antenna
outside at least 20 ft high and horizontal if at all possible. You
are probably more likely to generate TVI with an indoor antenna than
with an outdoor one... use a low-pass filter if you have TVI problems.
73, Cecil, kg7bk@indirect.com (I do not speak for Intel on Internet)
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Date: Sun, 27 Mar 1994 15:14:11 MST
From: tribune.usask.ca!kakwa.ucs.ualberta.ca!quartz.ucs.ualberta.ca!alberta!ve6mgs!usenet@decwrl.dec.com
Subject: Amateur Radio Newsline #867 25 Mar 94
To: info-hams@ucsd.edu
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[867]
The following is a QST
The FCC names a well known ham to head up its new task force
on personal communications services and a missing young ham has
returned home.
HALLER TO HEAD PCS TASK FORCE
One of the nations best known and most respected ham radio
operators has been selected to guide all personal communications
into the next century and beyond. This, with the naming of FCC
Private Radio Bureau Chief Ralph Haller, N4RH to head the newly
created Commission task force on personal communications
services, better known as the PCS.
The Commission says that the task force will provide a focal
point for all of the PCS issues currently before it and those
yet to surface. The group will would work with all of the FCC's
bureaus and offices that are involved in PCS issues. It will
also be responsible for assuring consistency between policies and
rules for narrow-band and wide-band PCS services.
FCC Chairman Reed Hundt says that he choose Ralph Haller to
head up the task force because he is confident that under his
leadership the group will guide the Commission in the timely
development of a comprehensive regulatory framework for the PCS.
Other members of the task force include FCC Chief Engineer Tom
Stanley, Robert Pepper who is Chief of the Office of Plans and
Policy, Donald Gips the Deputy Chief of Office of Plans and
Policy and FCC Chief Economist Michael Katz.
CLINTON NAMES CHONG TO FCC
President Clinton has selected San Francisco
telecommunications lawyer Rachelle B. Chong to fill one of two
vacancies at the Federal Communications Commission. Chong, a 34
year old Republican, would become the FCC's first-ever
Asian-American commissioner if confirmed by the Senate. She
would replace Sherrie Marshall, whose seat at the FCC has been
open for nearly a year. Chong's term would last through
mid-1997.
President Clinton also intends to nominate Susan Ness,
another communications lawyer as a Commissioner. Ness has worked
as a senior lender and as group head in the communications
industries division of American Security Bank in Washington.
During the mid-1970s, she was assistant counsel to the House
Banking Committee. She holds a law degree from Boston College
Law School and a master's degree in business administration from
the Wharton School.
FCC RFI SURVEY
The FCC has released the results of a just completed telephone
interference survey and it says that going QRP makes little
difference in telephone related RFI.
Thirty-five FCC field offices each picked three random cases
of telephone interference on record and then visited the scene.
The transmitting stations included 47 Citizens Band; 27 Amateur;
23 AM broadcast; 10 FM broadcast; and one international broadcast
station.
At the location experiencing interference, the FCC's Field
Operations Bureau personnel would first test the telephones on
site, and then test their own RFI immune telephones, as well as
several commercially available filters. In all, some 241
different telephones were tested.
Among the FCC's conclusions was that transmitter power did not
seem to be a significant factor. In fact, transmitters that ran
10 watts or less caused significant telephone interference in
one-third of the cases. The FCC also said that add-on filters
provided a cure to the interference problem in only one-third of
the incidents investigated.
The study did however conclude that manufacturers can design
telephones. The FCC says that it hopes the survey will encourage
affected parties to productively address and resolve this
problem, but stopped short of ordering the manufacturing
community to produce only RFI immune telephones.
SPECTRUM AUCTION
The Federal Communications Commission has taken a first step
toward setting the ground rules under which businesses can bid
for certain chunks of the airways. On March 8th, the FCC adopted
set of so called generic rules for auctioning radio frequencies
for a variety of new services, including the next generation of
mobile telephone service called personal communications service.
The rules will allow several auctions to be conducted at the
same time, require $2,500 as a minimum up-front payment for
parties to participate in the auction, set deadlines for payments
on winning bid and also set aside a portion of the frequencies to
be bid on by individuals or groups composed primarily of women,
minorities, rural telephone companies and small businesses.
Companies obtaining personal communications services licenses
will be able to offer consumers the next generation of mobile
phone service, in which the number travels with the phone's
owner.
The FCC says that it is exploring various options to submit
bids. This includes electronic filing as well as oral and paper
bids. A more detailed set of rules for specific services will be
decided later. There are no plans now toward any reallocation by
auction of the spectrum used by radio amateurs or other
communications hobbyists.
WZ1W FOUND
A missing Massachusetts teenager, whose been the object of a
nationwide search involving amateur radio, has been found.
Nathan A. Taylor, WZ1W, who disappeared in August, was found
March 8th in southeast Texas. That's where according to a
friend of Taylor's family Nathan was taken into custody by
federal authorities.
After nearly seven months, fourteen year old Nathan A.
Taylor, is back in his home state of Massachusetts. Paul
Topolski, N1IPG, is a friend of the Taylor family.
"He has trouble socializing with his piers and consequently he
really didn't want to go back to school." Paul Topolski, N1IPG.
Nathan became heavily involved with computers. That according
to Topolski triggered Nathan's actions.
"There's quite an underground network of computer operators on
the bulletin boards and so forth. He got involved with the wrong
group and consequently enticed into leaving home." Paul
Topolski, N1IPG.
Nathan disappearance lead to fears that he was in the company
of a man who has a known criminal record. That suggestion was
raised after police viewed files on Nathan's computer system.
For Nathan's parents in Gardner, Massachusetts the next several
months would be filled with anxiety.
"All I know is what his parents have told me about a bus trip
from Gardner through Memphis and then that was the last time
anybody had seen him. The bus driver in Memphis remembered
seeing him and then that was it, he appeared to jump off the bus
at that time. He turned up in Houston, Texas and one evening his
parents called me and consequently informed me that he had been
arrested by the FBI. He is now back in the Gardner area." Paul
Topolski, N1IPG.
Topolski says Nathan still has problems to work out.
"He seems to have calmed down quite a bit too." Paul
Topolski, N1IPG.
The last several months have been extremely hard from Nathan
Taylors family members. Now they can rest easier as well.
Nathan's close ties to ham radio led to a nationwide plea on
amateur radio packet systems. Topolski contacted ARRL Section
Managers in Texas and Tennessee for assistance. He sent flyers
to amateur radio clubs as the part of the effort to locate
Nathan.
HI SEAS RESCUE
Two men rescued from a sinking boat in the Gulf of Mexico
credit Amateur Radio for saving their lives. Larry Hooker,
KB5ZNY, of Thaxton, Mississippi, and his sailing partner, Rett
White, were returning from Honduras on Hooker's 35 foot sailing
vessel "Off The Hook," when they ran into an unexpected storm and
high seas.
Hooker had been in contact with his friend Randall O'Brian,
KD5ZH, of West Point, Mississippi, since hoisting anchor on
February 6th. The two were keeping regular schedules on 80, 40,
and 20 Meters and O'Brian was the first to learn of their
difficulties and eventually contacted the US Coast Guard.
O'Brian continued to help provide communication, along with the
Coast Guard, who came up on 3.862 MHz.
On March 4th, Hooker and White were taken aboard the Coast
Guard cutter Cushing. Their boat was put under tow but
subsequently sank.
Hooker had visited his daughter, Tina, KB5YNN, a missionary
with Global Outreach in the northeastern part of Honduras. This
is an area accessible only by air or sea.
AMSAT NET ON GALAXY 3
Satellite users may be interested in an experiment being
conducted in the Houston, Texas area. The group there is
uplinking the Houston Area Amsat Net, heard locally on the 147.10
FM repeater, to the Galaxy 3, communications satellite Channel
17, on the 5.8 Mhz audio subcarrier of the Shop-At-Home Channel.
The net is carried in realtime on Tuesday evening, from
approximately 10 PM Central Standard Time until completion. This
is an experiment but could be continued on a regular basis if
interest is sufficient. Send reception reports to Craig
Davidson, WD5BDX by packet or direct to his callbook address.
DELPHI
Delphi, a national bbs-type information service and Internet
gateway has announced the opening of a special interest group
dedicated go radio users in general, and Ham Radio operators in
particular. During years past, Ham Radio was supported as a
sub-topic on Delphi as part of the Delphi Hobby SIG. Through the
efforts of Marty Goodman, KC6YKC and Andy Eddy, WB1FEV Amateur
Radio has at last been given a separate special interest group of
its own on Delphi.
During its first week of operation beginning March 2nd, this
SIG has been able to offer a library of over 300 groups of files
for downloading and an active forum. Also in the first week
about 30 messages posted every day, with over 300 Delphi members
visiting this forum. Those interested in this new SIG should
contact Delphi services for more information.
1994 INTERNATIONAL DX CONVENTION
In DX, word that the 1994 International DX Convention is
being held at the Holiday Inn, Plaza Park, Visalia, CA, April
15th to the 17th. Friday and Saturday night will see hosted
cocktail parties plus a Sunday DX Breakfast and Saturday Night
Banquet featuring the 3Y story. The address for information and
registration is Don Bostrom, N6IC, at 4447 Atoll Ave., Sherman
Oaks, California 91423.
ROBERTS TO SPEAK ARRL SW DIVISION CONVENTION
The man who has developed several high tech motorcycles will
be the banquet speaker at the 1994 ARRL Southwestern Division
Convention scheduled for later this year. Newsline recently got
a call from Division Director Fried Heyn, WA6WZO who told us
that its going to be a special night with inventor Steve Roberts
N4RVE. Roberts is best known for his development of Behemoth a
super high tech motorcycle with on-board computers and ham radio
gear. Roberts will not only be speaking at the banquet. He also
has promised to bring along one of his super bikes for everyone
to see. The 1994 ARRL Southwestern Division Convention is
slated for August 26th through the 28th in San Diego. The grand
banquet will take place Saturday night August 27th with film
maker Dave Bell, W6AQ as master of ceremonies.
DAYTON AWARDS FOLLOW-UP
The 1994 Dayton Hamventions Special Achievement Award goes to
Russ Kroeker, N7HGE of Kent, Washington for his efforts in
implementing the Evergreen Intertie repeater network in the
northwest U.S. and British Columbia. Mr. Kroeker was honored,
but also credited many others.
"It is a great honor and I think that the amateur radio
society will be really delighted to hear that the time that they
spent investing in it, a lot of members have invested their money
to help put the equipment in, and a lot of their time Larry
Babcock, WB7USL put a lot of time in, Mark La Combe, KF7II. These
guys really, I think will be really happy to hear that the work
they put in is getting recognized, in a national way, and it is a
great honor for all of us. We just thank the lord that you folks
did choose us." Russ Kroeker, N7HGE.
Mr. Kroeker will receive his award at the Hamvention Banquet
at the Dayton Convention Center located in downtown Dayton, Ohio
Saturday evening April 30th.
More on the upcoming 1994 Dayton Hamvention next week.
For this week, that's all from the Amateur Radio Newsline.
You can write to us at P.O. Box 463, Pasadena, CA 91102.
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Date: 28 Mar 94 15:49:44 GMT
From: sdd.hp.com!nigel.msen.com!garnet.msen.com!not-for-mail@hplabs.hp.com
Subject: DAYTON
To: info-hams@ucsd.edu
I did something stupid, and let someone else try to get our flea market
spots this year. What a mistake! Does anyone have an extra spot??????????
PLEASE?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
email please (vev@msen.com)
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Date: Mon, 28 Mar 1994 16:24:07 GMT
From: ihnp4.ucsd.edu!dog.ee.lbl.gov!agate!howland.reston.ans.net!math.ohio-state.edu!darwin.sura.net!rsg1.er.usgs.gov!dgg.cr.usgs.gov!bodoh@network.ucsd.edu
Subject: Hole in car roof: Affect vehicle value?
To: info-hams@ucsd.edu
In article <2n079g$pl1@usenet.rpi.edu>, abelson@operators.its.rpi.edu (Mike Abelson) writes:
|> I am considering installing a new antenna in my vehicle and roof-mounting it.
|>
|> Of course, I'll need to make a hole in the roof, so the other day when at my local dealership I asked them what affect that might have on the vehicles value at trade-in/selling time. Their response was that it would lessen the value of the vehicle by $50|> 0-$600.
|>
|> This seems a bit steep for one hole in the roof (whether it's plugged or the antenna gets ultimately sold along with the vehicle).
|>
|> Is this estimate anwhere near accurate? What kind of depreciation (if any) should one really expect when selling/buying a used vehicle which has had a roof-mounted object?
|>
|> mla
Just plug the hole with a $30 cellular antenna prior to selling - and charge
THEM extra for this feature!!!!!!!
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Date: 24 Mar 94 01:17:39 GMT
From: news-mail-gateway@ucsd.edu
Subject: query about paging systems
To: info-hams@ucsd.edu
>I'm taking a Communications Engineering course for which I need to do a
>short term paper. I was thinking about doing one on the technical
>challenges that were faced when implementing the radio-pager systems that
>are in place today. Can anyone suggest where I could obtain such
>information. Does such technical information only exist within the confines
>of Motorola? I'm an image processing person, so I'm not up on the
>communications journals.
>
>Any help would be appreciated.
>
>
>Regards and 73,
>Neil
>
I can think of several sources. First, Motorola and NEC are two major
manufactures of pagers (ex. Motorola Bravo and Advisor, and NEC
FactsPROVIDER). Second, if you have USENET news, check out comp.dcom.telecom.
Third, the TELECOM forum on CompuServe has been quite useful. Fourth, you
might check with one of the paging companies themselves such as SkyTel and
PageNet. I have a SkyTel pager and their customer service number is
1-800-SKY-USER. You might call them for more information. This number won't
actually be able to tell you anything but they have a technical center in
Jackson, Mississippi and I am sure the folks at SKY-USER can give you the
number. Finally, Signetics manufactures an IC called the PCF5001T Pocsag
Decoder IC. Pocsag is one of the paging protocols used. Try calling Signetics
or their local rep for information on it. I understand the reference
sheet is quite informative. I have been meaning to get one myself!
73,
Robert, N2JTX
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Date: 28 Mar 1994 09:12:54 GMT
From: agate!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!newsrelay.iastate.edu!news.iastate.edu!bwehr@ames.arpa
Subject: Question on Kenwood 732 A
To: info-hams@ucsd.edu
Was wondering if anyone out there in radio land has had any experience with
the Kenwood TM-732A its a mobil dual band and looks like a real nice piece. So
If you own one or know someone that does let me know what you think of it.
Thanks.
-Brant
______________________________________________________________________________ Brant Wehr N0UTT
internet bwehr@iastate.edu
Activities Director CARC
Electrical Engineering
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Brant
bwehr@iastate.edu
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Date: 28 Mar 94 15:41:43 GMT
From: news-mail-gateway@ucsd.edu
Subject: RB319 Calling In Outsiders
To: info-hams@ucsd.edu
Bid: $RACESBUL.319
Subject: RB319 Calling In Outsiders
TO: ALL EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT AGENCIES VIA AMATEUR RADIO
INFO: ALL COMMUNICATIONS VOLUNTEERS IN GOVERNMENT SERVICE
INFO: ALL AMATEURS U.S (@USA: INFORMATION), CAP, MARS
FROM: CA GOVERNORS OFFICE OF EMERGENCY SERVICES
(W6SIG@WA6NWE.CA) Ph: 916-262-1600
2800 Meadowview Rd., Sacramento, CA 95832
Landline BBS Open to All: 916-262-1657
RACESBUL.319 RELEASE DATE: March 28, 1994
SUBJECT: MGT - Calling in outsiders
During an incident there are times that it is necessary for a
jurisdiction to request additional help from "outside". In
California this involves mutual aid whereby local authorities
turn to an "outside resource" (outside of their jurisdiction) to
augment their own forces (or where none exists) to accomplish
their mission. Either way (i.e., augment or provide) the
so-called "outside" mutual aid people are ALWAYS under control of
the REQUESTING government. The structure by which that functions
is part of the Incident Command System.
In communications involving responding FCC Amateur licensees this
aspect has at times been misunderstood by those not familiar with
how mutual aid works in fire and law. Those "outside" resources
NEVER come in to "take over". Mutual aid does NOT belittle the
locals, but augments them with professionals trained in mutual
aid response from other jurisdictions.
It is inconceivable that any jurisdiction would ever call in
distant professionals to spite the locals, as we once heard it
expressed by an exasperated amateur. It just ISN'T done for a
number of very good reasons.
Just because there are local FCC licensed Amateurs doesn't
necessarily mean a government will call upon them in an emergency
if they haven't been active, trained in and familiar with a RACES
or similar communications reserve program.
It is professionalism, whether paid or unpaid. No professional
ever responds in mutual aid to do anything other than to support
the local needs. That is the true mark of a professional (paid or
unpaid), whether law, fire or communications.
Any communications responder who is such an amateur that he/she
can't discern the difference between amateurish activity and
professional activity shouldn't be responding no matter how well
intended. Instead, that person needs to take training and
familiarization programs to help understand the mutual aid
process.
An ACS/RACES response from a city, county, or State OES in
support of another government is due to a request from that
government. To respond without a verified official request is the
height of amateurish activity, and can have severe consequencies
except in the most unusual of instances.
EOM.
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RACES Bulletins are archived on the Internet at ucsd.edu in hamradio/races
or in hamradio/packet/tcpip/incoming and can be retrieved using FTP.
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Date: 28 Mar 94 16:08:09 GMT
From: news-mail-gateway@ucsd.edu
Subject: What's a good 2m/440 mobile?
To: info-hams@ucsd.edu
It's time to buy a 2m/440 mobile rig, before the IRS refund is noted by
the family checkbook inspector. I'm particularly interested in monitoring
the 160 mHz and the 460 mHz ranges, as well as use the regular ham bands.
(No, I'm not going to transmit - flamethrowers off, please). What units
seem to be particularly well-qualified for out-of-band reception as well
as having good ham-band performance?
What antennas are good for such machines -- without an appearance that
would overly embarrass the spouse?
Paul Marsh N0ZAU Omaha pmarsh@metro.mccneb.edu
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