Date: Fri, 25 Mar 94 18:12:53 PST From: Info-Hams Mailing List and Newsgroup <info-hams@ucsd.edu> Errors-To: Info-Hams-Errors@UCSD.Edu Reply-To: Info-Hams@UCSD.Edu Precedence: Bulk Subject: Info-Hams Digest V94 #329 To: Info-Hams Info-Hams Digest Fri, 25 Mar 94 Volume 94 : Issue 329 Today's Topics: (none) * SpaceNews 28-Mar-94 * 2N2222 vs 2N2222A (was HAMS and hams) FT-530 and FT-41R Hamfest Listing Info-Hams Digest V94 #328 Latest callsigns assigned list? Motorola GPS engine group purchase update ORBS$084.MISC.AMSAT QRP Quarterly? RF and AF speech processors. Was: FT-990 vs TS-850 (3 msgs) SCMO receiver. Send Replies or notes for publication to: <Info-Hams@UCSD.Edu> Send subscription requests to: <Info-Hams-REQUEST@UCSD.Edu> Problems you can't solve otherwise to brian@ucsd.edu. Archives of past issues of the Info-Hams Digest are available (by FTP only) from UCSD.Edu in directory "mailarchives/info-hams". We trust that readers are intelligent enough to realize that all text herein consists of personal comments and does not represent the official policies or positions of any party. Your mileage may vary. So there. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 25 Mar 94 23:11:38 GMT From: news-mail-gateway@ucsd.edu Subject: (none) To: info-hams@ucsd.edu SUBSCRIBE ------------------------------ Date: 25 Mar 94 17:05:13 GMT From: news-mail-gateway@ucsd.edu Subject: * SpaceNews 28-Mar-94 * To: info-hams@ucsd.edu SB NEWS @ AMSAT $SPC0328 * SpaceNews 28-Mar-94 * BID: $SPC0328 ========= SpaceNews ========= MONDAY MARCH 28, 1994 SpaceNews originates at KD2BD in Wall Township, New Jersey, USA. It is published every week and is made available for unlimited distribution. * ITAMSAT PROBLEM * =================== Earlier this month, the PSK modulation on the primary ITAMSAT transmitter became more and more difficult to decode. A residual carrier and lower output power seem to indicate a failure in the PSK balanced modulator, being worse at the current low power setting. Increasing the power level makes the demodulation better but is not acceptable due to power budget constraints. Ground controllers decided to switch to the secondary PSK trasmitter on 435.822 MHz. The first two passes over Italy confirmed the correct operation of the spacecraft and WOD are being taken to analyze the performance of the satellite in this new configuration. The BBS is working as usual and status bulletins are uploaded to the satellite. 73 de ITAMSAT (IO-26) Command Team [Info via Alberto E. Zagni, I2KBD] * CLEMENTINE IMAGES AVAILABLE * =============================== Recent images of the Moon that were downlinked by the Clementine spacecraft are available by ftp or email across the Internet. For those with ftp access, simply ftp to clementine.s1.gov [128.15.32.9] and look in the directories under pub/clementine/images. For those with email only, send a message to ftpmail@clementine.s1.gov with a blank subject line and text of "help" only. The email server can provide directory listings and uuencoded binary files such as GIF images. [Info via Walt, KE3HP] * OSCAR-13 MODE-S EXTRA BEACON * ================================ In response to requests, the Mode-S session now includes 2 MAs beacon at the start. Mode-B is unaffected. The revised schedule is: M QST *** AO-13 TRANSPONDER SCHEDULE *** 1994 Mar 19-Apr 04 Mode-B : MA 0 to MA 90 | Mode-BS : MA 90 to MA 120 | Mode-S : MA 120 to MA 122 |<- S beacon only Mode-S : MA 122 to MA 145 |<- S transponder; B trsp. is OFF Mode-S : MA 145 to MA 150 |<- S beacon only Mode-BS : MA 150 to MA 180 | Alon/Alat 180/0 Mode-B : MA 180 to MA 256 | Omnis : MA 230 to MA 30 | Move to attitude 235/0, Apr 04 [Info via James Miller G3RUH @ GB7DDX.#22.GBR.EU] * FO-20 SCHEDULE * ================== The FO-20 command station announced that FO-20 will be placed in Mode JA (Analog transponder mode) during Field Day 1994 (25-Jun-94 18:00 UTC through 26-Jun-94 18:00 UTC). The current operating schedule is as follows: Analog mode: 23-Mar-94 07:52 -to- 30-Mar-94 08:15 UTC Digital mode: Unless otherwise noted above. [Info via Kazu Sakamoto, JJ1WTK] * THANKS! * =========== Thanks to BY1QH and K7YHA for the high praise SpaceNews received in articles appearing in the April 1994 issues of 73 and Worldradio magazines! Also thanks to WA1QYM and DL3HRT for their recent messages of appreciation. * MESSAGES de KD2BD * ===================== G8MWF: Please re-send your WXSAT article. I lost the disk I had it saved to. :-( * FEEDBACK/INPUT WELCOMED * =========================== Mail to SpaceNews should be directed to the editor (John, KD2BD) via any of the following paths: FAX : 1-908-747-7107 PACKET : KD2BD @ N2KZH.NJ.USA.NA INTERNET : kd2bd@ka2qhd.ocpt.ccur.com -or- kd2bd@amsat.org MAIL : John A. Magliacane, KD2BD Department of Engineering and Technology Advanced Technology Center Brookdale Community College Lincroft, New Jersey 07738 U.S.A. <<=- SpaceNews: The first amateur newsletter read in space! -=>> /EX -- John A. Magliacane, KD2BD * /\/\ * Voice : 1-908-224-2948 Advanced Technology Center |/\/\/\| Packet : KD2BD @ N2KZH.NJ.USA.NA Brookdale Community College |\/\/\/| Internet: kd2bd@ka2qhd.ocpt.ccur.com Lincroft, NJ 07738 * \/\/ * Morse : -.- -.. ..--- -... -.. ------------------------------ Date: 25 Mar 94 21:32:09 GMT From: news-mail-gateway@ucsd.edu Subject: 2N2222 vs 2N2222A (was HAMS and hams) To: info-hams@ucsd.edu In article <2mfo8e$c69@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu> oo7@astro.as.utexas.edu (Derek Will s) writes: [stuff about the capitalization of ham deleted] > > Perhaps someone who used to think it is capitalized and now knows > better can tell me why they used to think this. It would clear up > a problem and make several people who have nothing better to worry > about much happier. I say: I suppose it depends on which legend re: the origin of the term "ham" as it applies to amateur radio comes from. Several of the legends indicate the term is from either initials or an acronym, and both would be properly capitalized. Jeff NH6IL writes: Here's more to worry about: why capitalize MF, HF, VHF, UHF, CW, AM, FM, SSB, D-layer, E-layer, F1-layer, F2-layer (and why no A- B- or C-layers?), ..... I say: In the above examples, the capitalized letters are initials Any difference in specs between a 2N2222 and a 2N2222A xsistor? (And why did I capitalize the N and A?) An xmtr I'm building calls for 2N2222A's but all I have are dozens of 2N2222's (from dumpster diving behind the Engineering Department's building - amazing what they throw out). I imagine the `A' version is the new and improved model. I say (now on the real subject): The "A" devices have a different gain characteristic, (hFE @ 10v 10ma 50-325 for the 2222, 75-325 for the "A"), higher minimum breakdown voltages, lower VCE sat voltage. In most cases, it won't matter which you use. The chips are the same and the manufacturer screens for part type selection. Since the 2N2222 minimums are lower than those for the 2N2222A, A 2N2222A can always sub for a 2N2222, a 2N2222 may not always work for a 2N2222A. Both devices were registered at the same time, so it is not a matter of "new and improved". Check a Motorola small signal spec book or MIL-S-19500/255 if you really need to know the finer points. 73 _____________________________________________________________________ Wm. A. Kirsanoff Internet: WAKIRSAN@ananov.remnet.ab.com Rockwell International Ham: KD6MCI (714) 762-2872 Alternate Internet: william_a._kirsanoff@ccmail.anatcp.rockwell.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- Who are you? * I am number 2. * Who is number 1? * You are number 6. --------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Mar 1994 19:51:56 GMT From: ihnp4.ucsd.edu!library.ucla.edu!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!math.ohio-state.edu!magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu!csn!col.hp.com!fc.hp.com!paulc@network.ucsd.edu Subject: FT-530 and FT-41R To: info-hams@ucsd.edu On FT530 voltmeter error: I have a different problem. Mine reads about .5 volt low at about 7 volts, progressing to 1 volt low at 13 volts. Don't know if this can be tweaked up or not. It's still a useful thing to have. -Paul C. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Mar 1994 23:19:00 GMT From: ihnp4.ucsd.edu!swrinde!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!math.ohio-state.edu!magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu!csn!news.den.mmc.com!news2!pogo.den.mmc.com!boutell@network.ucsd.edu Subject: Hamfest Listing To: info-hams@ucsd.edu In article <199403251458.GAA04442@ucsd.edu> William=E.=Newkirk%Pubs%GenAv.Mlb@ns14.cca.CR.rockwell.COM writes: >>I've been searching around for a listing of upcoming hamfests, and have >>been unable to find one. So, I've decided to do the next best thing - >>create my own. > >i'm assuming you are looking for an electronic one? > >they're published in just about all the amateur radio magazines, especially >QST, CQ, 73 and Worldradio, if you're looking for a "printed" one. > >an electronic one would be neat. > >bill wb9ivr > ARRL (should be capitalized here :-) has an AUTOMATED ELECTRONIC MAIL SERVER from which you can request info on hamfests (or HAMfests) as well as many other topics. For the hamfest info specifically, do the following: mail info@arrl.org ...in the body of the letter type: send HAMFESTS-USA quit ...and just cntl-D out and you will receive the info in short order. ------------------------------ Date: 25 Mar 94 23:56:21 GMT From: news-mail-gateway@ucsd.edu Subject: Info-Hams Digest V94 #328 To: info-hams@ucsd.edu From: POSTMSTR @SSW To: HCHOAGLAND @MRGATE IN%"Info-Hams @UCSD.EDU" @MRGATE @BV8500 Author: IN%"Info-Hams@UCSD.EDU" Sender: IN%"INFO-HAMS @UCSD.EDU"@MRGATE@BV8500 Subject: Info-Hams Digest V94 #328 Message Class: Recipients: Profile Recipient(s): CCMAIL -RL636614 *RLMEYERING @CCMAIL @BIIVAX The MAILbridge Server/DEC was unable to deliver mail from Sender IN%"INFO-HAMS@UCSD.EDU"@MRGATE@BV8500. Please contact your Soft-Switch E-Mail Administrator to register this user in the Name Translate Directory. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Mar 1994 20:50:17 GMT From: ihnp4.ucsd.edu!dog.ee.lbl.gov!agate!library.ucla.edu!csulb.edu!csus.edu!netcom.com!ab5sm@network.ucsd.edu Subject: Latest callsigns assigned list? To: info-hams@ucsd.edu Milt Forsberg (miltf@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu) wrote: : brown_mi@eisner.decus.org (Michael D Brown) writes: : >I am looking for an update on the latest callsigns assigned by the FCC. There : >is a list that appears in QST every month, but it is always two months behind - : >I am anxiously awaiting my new 2x2 call, and it would be nice to see where they : >Mike : >N9OPG/AA : In 9land, as of March 1, it is AA9KI for Extra, KF9UM for Advanced, N9WHC : for Tech/General, and KB9IXF for Novice. Turnaround was reported as being : 10-12 weeks. : I have not seen any postings recently on turnaround actual time. A few months : ago, there were many notes on here giving actual times. Some were much sooner : than reported by the FCC. I guess they were being conservative in the : recorded message. : Milt, K9QZI it took right at 6 weeks for me to get my 2x2 .. i submitted my 610 on dec 15 .. they issued the call jan 15, and then it two weeks for them to mail it. i received it the first week of february lee - ab5sm -- ab5sm@netcom.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Mar 1994 14:14:50 From: ihnp4.ucsd.edu!usc!yeshua.marcam.com!news.kei.com!ssd.intel.com!chnews!ornews.intel.com!ccm.hf.intel.com!brett_miller@network.ucsd.edu Subject: Motorola GPS engine group purchase update To: info-hams@ucsd.edu In article <1994Mar24.215841.28632@nntpd2.cxo.dec.com> bonomo@specxn.enet.dec.com () writes: I tried to mail this directly, but it wouldn't go. What exactly is included in this engine? Do I have to come up with my own antenna, disply, display driver, input control logic, etc.? $150 is a great price but I just don't have the time for such major electronics projects any more. Thanks for your help. Brett Miller N7OLQ brett_miller@ccm.hf.intel.com Intel Corp. American Fork, UT ------------------------------ Date: 25 Mar 94 13:57:00 GMT From: news-mail-gateway@ucsd.edu Subject: ORBS$084.MISC.AMSAT To: info-hams@ucsd.edu SB KEPS @ AMSAT $ORBS-084.M Orbital Elements 084.MISC HR AMSAT ORBITAL ELEMENTS FOR MANNED AND MISCELLANEOUS SATELLITES FROM WA5QGD FORT WORTH,TX March 25, 1994 BID: $ORBS-084.M TO ALL RADIO AMATEURS BT Satellite: POSAT Catalog number: 22829 Epoch time: 94081.13993678 Element set: 265 Inclination: 98.6563 deg RA of node: 157.8404 deg Eccentricity: 0.0011057 Arg of perigee: 89.9512 deg Mean anomaly: 270.2938 deg Mean motion: 14.28013136 rev/day Decay rate: 9.8e-07 rev/day^2 Epoch rev: 2527 Checksum: 321 Satellite: MIR Catalog number: 16609 Epoch time: 94083.32520032 Element set: 537 Inclination: 51.6456 deg RA of node: 251.6581 deg Eccentricity: 0.0015343 Arg of perigee: 67.8161 deg Mean anomaly: 292.4504 deg Mean motion: 15.58331750 rev/day Decay rate: 9.346e-05 rev/day^2 Epoch rev: 46281 Checksum: 293 Satellite: HUBBLE Catalog number: 20580 Epoch time: 94080.23738730 Element set: 459 Inclination: 28.4697 deg RA of node: 80.9010 deg Eccentricity: 0.0005913 Arg of perigee: 249.5279 deg Mean anomaly: 110.4672 deg Mean motion: 14.90534070 rev/day Decay rate: 8.35e-06 rev/day^2 Epoch rev: 1625 Checksum: 290 Satellite: GRO Catalog number: 21225 Epoch time: 94079.53676843 Element set: 75 Inclination: 28.4636 deg RA of node: 127.3366 deg Eccentricity: 0.0003390 Arg of perigee: 287.6252 deg Mean anomaly: 72.3973 deg Mean motion: 15.40420925 rev/day Decay rate: 4.336e-05 rev/day^2 Epoch rev: 4325 Checksum: 300 Satellite: UARS Catalog number: 21701 Epoch time: 94082.87298435 Element set: 496 Inclination: 56.9828 deg RA of node: 140.9350 deg Eccentricity: 0.0004265 Arg of perigee: 92.4899 deg Mean anomaly: 267.6620 deg Mean motion: 14.96488088 rev/day Decay rate: -3.323e-05 rev/day^2 Epoch rev: 13816 Checksum: 341 /EX ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Mar 1994 19:13:20 GMT From: ihnp4.ucsd.edu!usc!math.ohio-state.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!newsserver.jvnc.net!panasonic.com!atvl6!wiseman@network.ucsd.edu Subject: QRP Quarterly? To: info-hams@ucsd.edu I saw a publication entitled "QRP Quarterly" referenced in 73 last month. Does anybody know who publishes this, and where I could get a copy to check out? John KA5WTO ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Mar 1994 15:52:40 GMT From: ihnp4.ucsd.edu!swrinde!emory!rsiatl!ke4zv!gary@network.ucsd.edu Subject: RF and AF speech processors. Was: FT-990 vs TS-850 To: info-hams@ucsd.edu In article <Cn6ryH.E5w@srgenprp.sr.hp.com> alanb@sr.hp.com (Alan Bloom) writes: > >(By eliminating the crystal filter, phasing-type SSB transmitters have >better phase and amplitude flatness than filter-type rigs.) Phfffft! The phase flatness through the audio phase shift networks used in amateur phasing SSB rigs was much worse than any phase distortion in a filter rig. The audio phasing network had to cover octaves while the crystal filter only has to work over a tiny fraction of an octave. Amplitude flatness, low frequency response, and total bandwidth were often greater with phasing generators. That gave a more AM-like sound to phasing generated SSB. Gary -- Gary Coffman KE4ZV | You make it, | gatech!wa4mei!ke4zv!gary Destructive Testing Systems | we break it. | uunet!rsiatl!ke4zv!gary 534 Shannon Way | Guaranteed! | emory!kd4nc!ke4zv!gary Lawrenceville, GA 30244 | | ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Mar 1994 15:45:54 GMT From: ihnp4.ucsd.edu!swrinde!emory!rsiatl!ke4zv!gary@network.ucsd.edu Subject: RF and AF speech processors. Was: FT-990 vs TS-850 To: info-hams@ucsd.edu In article <Cn6rJx.Dw9@srgenprp.sr.hp.com> alanb@sr.hp.com (Alan Bloom) writes: > >It seems like you could use a DSP to do a very good job of automatic >gain control on the audio signal. The problem with analog AGC circuits >is the "popping" that occurs due to the time delay of the AGC driver >upon encountering a sudden large signal. A DSP could store a few >milliseconds of audio at a time so it could reduce the gain just >before the sudden large signal, eliminating the pop. We solved that problem years ago without need of DSP. We just put a delay line in the main channel so the AGC has time to react before the audio gets out of the box. It used to be a mercury column, but today it's often a bucket brigade shift register. Gary -- Gary Coffman KE4ZV | You make it, | gatech!wa4mei!ke4zv!gary Destructive Testing Systems | we break it. | uunet!rsiatl!ke4zv!gary 534 Shannon Way | Guaranteed! | emory!kd4nc!ke4zv!gary Lawrenceville, GA 30244 | | ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Mar 1994 20:17:15 GMT From: ihnp4.ucsd.edu!swrinde!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!math.ohio-state.edu!magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu!csn!col.hp.com!srgenprp!alanb@network.ucsd.edu Subject: RF and AF speech processors. Was: FT-990 vs TS-850 To: info-hams@ucsd.edu Gary Coffman (gary@ke4zv.atl.ga.us) wrote: : In article <Cn6ryH.E5w@srgenprp.sr.hp.com> alanb@sr.hp.com (Alan Bloom) writes: : > : >(By eliminating the crystal filter, phasing-type SSB transmitters have : >better phase and amplitude flatness than filter-type rigs.) : Phfffft! The phase flatness through the audio phase shift networks : used in amateur phasing SSB rigs was much worse than any phase : distortion in a filter rig. The audio phasing network had to cover : octaves while the crystal filter only has to work over a tiny fraction : of an octave. Not true. A phasing-type SSB generator specifically depends on a 90 degree phase difference between the two channels. If the phase flatness were bad, you would get terrible unwanted sideband supression. Same thing with amplitude flatness. The phase shift network's two channels must be matched to within a fraction of a dB to get good sideband suppression. A typical SSB crystal filter has a couple dB peak-to-peak ripple across the passband with similar ripples in the group delay. It is easy to do much better than that with a phasing-type exciter. AL N1AL ------------------------------ Date: 24 Mar 94 23:18:31 GMT From: envoy.wl.com!caen!math.ohio-state.edu!cyber2.cyberstore.ca!nntp.cs.ubc.ca!magellan!mprgate.mpr.ca!kapadia@decwrl.dec.com Subject: SCMO receiver. To: info-hams@ucsd.edu I am trying to tune my FM radio to recieve a subcarrier frequency. The carrier frequency is 93.7 MHz and the Subcarrier frequency is 92 KHz. I tried adjusting the potentiometer on my radio but to no avail. I am new to this area could some kind soul help me with this problem. Thanks a in advance ..ashfaq ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Mar 1994 13:58:51 GMT From: ihnp4.ucsd.edu!dog.ee.lbl.gov!agate!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!swrinde!sgiblab!wetware!spunky.RedBrick.COM!psinntp!psinntp!arrl.org!zlau@network.ucsd.edu To: info-hams@ucsd.edu References <2mn2rd$ol0@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu>, <1994Mar23.162557.7558@arrl.org>, <2msav8$8f9@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> Subject : Re: RF and AF speech processors. Was: FT-990 vs TS-850 Ignacy Misztal (ignacy@ux2.cso.uiuc.edu) wrote: : : Cheap AF processors use AF clippers. DSP-based processors are not only : novelties now, but they are more xepnsive to built than RF processors. : Why AF clippers are worse than RF (IF) clippers? Consider a 500Hz : tone test. With AF processor you will get extra 1000,1500,2000,2500 : Hz tones. With RF (SSB and DSB) processor 500Hz will be the only : output. Please note that some older rigs have "implicit" RF : processors. For instance, SWAN 500 has 7360, a beam deflection tube, : as a DSB modulator. By clipping peaks, it acts with the following XTAL : filter as a DSP processor. : If you clip an ideal DSB waveform (1 kHz modulation), aren't there two tones spaced 1 kHz apart that could generate IMD products at 1.5 kHz and 1.5 kHz (receiver output)? What if you had a significant amount of carrier leakthrough that was cleaned up by the crystal filter? Couldn't this give you extra tones at 1, 1.5, 2, and 2.5 kHz (at the receiver)? -- Zack Lau KH6CP/1 2 way QRP WAS 8 States on 10 GHz Internet: zlau@arrl.org 10 grids on 2304 MHz ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Mar 1994 23:13:06 GMT From: news.Hawaii.Edu!uhunix3.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu!jherman@ames.arpa To: info-hams@ucsd.edu References <1994Mar22.233542.8566@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu>, <bote.764487800@access3>, <VBREAULT.94Mar25134216@rinhp750.gmr.com> Subject : Re: Voice mail on a repeater? Are there any repeaters left in this country that just repeat, including no musical tones or beeps when you drop your carrier? I miss the old days when all one heard was a nice solid kurchunk of the repeater receiver's squelch tail quickly followed by a second squelch tail from my receiver (the repeater carrier would drop off after 1-2 seconds). This seemed to be the way most of the public safety repeaters were also set up (particulary the California Division of Forestry repeaters back when I was a fireman in the early 70s). Gary: I'll be disappointed if your repeater beeps. Jeff NH6IL ------------------------------ Date: (null) From: (null) mail info@arrl.org help index quit ...cntl-D and wait I'm not sure if the hamfest list is as complete as it could be, but it's pretty good. Have fun! 73, WD0FTF - RUSS (I meant Russ) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Mar 1994 17:26:52 GMT From: ihnp4.ucsd.edu!library.ucla.edu!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!sunic!psinntp!psinntp!arrl.org!zlau@network.ucsd.edu To: info-hams@ucsd.edu References <2mlmi7$3vc@news.ysu.edu>, <1994Mar22.142358.5403@arrl.org>, <2mul91$6vo@hawk.eng.warwick.ac.uk>pipex Subject : Re: Why no 10 meter activity?? Any guesses as to the propagation mode of my 21 MHz contact nearly 11 years ago June 26, 1983 3 watts SSB (my end) with W4VNU at 1051Z (12:51 PM Hawaii standard time) Almost 7 AM in South Florida. Antenna was a simple wire antenna a few hundred yards from the beach. My guess is multiple hop E skip. We are -- Zack Lau KH6CP/1 2 way QRP WAS 8 States on 10 GHz Internet: zlau@arrl.org 10 grids on 2304 MHz ------------------------------ End of Info-Hams Digest V94 #329 ****************************** ******************************