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Info-Hams Digest            Thu, 24 Mar 94       Volume 94 : Issue  323

Today's Topics:
       Daily Summary of Solar Geophysical Activity for 22 March
                       Grid Squares & Lat/Long
          Grounding and lightning protection--KE4ZV (2 msgs)
           Kenwood (TS-850) Computer Interface Info Wanted
                     Latest FCC issued call signs
                        Parts for Heathkit???
                        software-general exam
                             Who Brian is

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Date: Tue, 22 Mar 1994 21:09:29 MST
From: ihnp4.ucsd.edu!usc!yeshua.marcam.com!zip.eecs.umich.edu!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!nntp.cs.ubc.ca!alberta!ve6mgs!usenet@network.ucsd.edu
Subject: Daily Summary of Solar Geophysical Activity for 22 March
To: info-hams@ucsd.edu

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                 DAILY SUMMARY OF SOLAR GEOPHYSICAL ACTIVITY

                                 22 MARCH, 1994

                /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\

                  (Based In-Part On SESC Observational Data)


SOLAR AND GEOPHYSICAL ACTIVITY INDICES FOR 22 MARCH, 1994
---------------------------------------------------------

NOTE: A large region of stratospheric warming exists from southern to eastern
      Europe and southwestern Siberia, and is strengthening.  Warm air is
      spreading north and northeastwards.

!!BEGIN!! (1.0) S.T.D. Solar Geophysical Data Broadcast for DAY 081, 03/22/94
10.7 FLUX=091.1  90-AVG=106        SSN=035      BKI=4222 4322  BAI=013
BGND-XRAY=A7.7     FLU1=7.1E+06  FLU10=1.8E+04  PKI=4323 5333  PAI=018
  BOU-DEV=067,017,011,018,066,028,017,016   DEV-AVG=030 NT     SWF=00:000
 XRAY-MAX= B3.0   @ 0644UT    XRAY-MIN= A6.8   @ 0935UT   XRAY-AVG= B1.0
NEUTN-MAX= +003%  @ 0005UT   NEUTN-MIN= -002%  @ 1350UT  NEUTN-AVG= +0.2%
  PCA-MAX= +0.1DB @ 2350UT     PCA-MIN= -0.2DB @ 2315UT    PCA-AVG= -NANDB
BOUTF-MAX=55344NT @ 0126UT   BOUTF-MIN=55306NT @ 1803UT  BOUTF-AVG=55330NT
GOES7-MAX=P:+000NT@ 0000UT   GOES7-MIN=N:+000NT@ 0000UT  G7-AVG=+072,+000,+000
GOES6-MAX=P:+126NT@ 1735UT   GOES6-MIN=N:-088NT@ 0449UT  G6-AVG=+091,+021,-042
 FLUXFCST=STD:090,090,085;SESC:090,090,085 BAI/PAI-FCST=015,010,010/020,015,015
    KFCST=3223 2111 3223 4111  27DAY-AP=011,005   27DAY-KP=2333 2232 1112 2121
 WARNINGS=
   ALERTS=
!!END-DATA!!

NOTE: The Effective Sunspot Number for 21 MAR 94 is not available.
      The Full Kp Indices for 21 MAR 94 are: 3o 6- 4o 4o   4- 4o 4- 3- 
      The 3-Hr Ap Indices for 21 MAR 94 are:  15  65  26  30  21  28  21  13 
      Greater than 2 MeV Electron Fluence for 22 MAR is: 1.6E+08


SYNOPSIS OF ACTIVITY
--------------------

             Solar activity was very low. Region 7693 (N08W56) showed
       some growth early in the period but was quiet and stable. A
       hedge-row prominence was visible on east limb throughout the
       day.

            Solar activity forecast:  solar activity is expected to be
       very low to low.

            The geomagnetic field ranged from quiet to minor storm levels.
       The more disturbed periods were 0000-0300Z and 0900-1800Z, and
       the other times were typically quiet to unsettled.

            Geophysical activity forecast:  the geomagnetic field is
       expected to be unsettled to active for the next 24 hours. Con-
       ditions should be predominantly unsettled for the second and
       third days although there may be occasional brief periods of
       active levels.

            Event probabilities 23 mar-25 mar

                             Class M    01/01/01
                             Class X    01/01/01
                             Proton     01/01/01
                             PCAF       Green

            Geomagnetic activity probabilities 23 mar-25 mar

                        A.  Middle Latitudes
                        Active                25/25/10
                        Minor Storm           25/10/05
                        Major-Severe Storm    10/05/01

                        B.  High Latitudes
                        Active                25/25/10
                        Minor Storm           30/10/05
                        Major-Severe Storm    10/05/01

            HF propagation conditions were slightly below normal over
       the high and polar latitude regions for the first half of the
       UTC day, but improved to near normal by the end of the day.
       Near-normal propagation conditions are expected over all
       regions during the next 72 hours through 25 March inclusive
       although a few periods of night-sector high-latitude minor
       signal degradation will remain possible.


COPIES OF JOINT USAF/NOAA SESC SOLAR GEOPHYSICAL REPORTS
========================================================

REGIONS WITH SUNSPOTS. LOCATIONS VALID AT 22/2400Z MARCH
--------------------------------------------------------
NMBR LOCATION  LO  AREA  Z   LL   NN MAG TYPE
7692  N18W19  159  0030 CSO  04  003 BETA
7693  N08W56  196  0070 CSO  06  012 BETA
7688  N19W88  228                    PLAGE
REGIONS DUE TO RETURN 23 MARCH TO 25 MARCH
NMBR LAT    LO
7686 N08   037


LISTING OF SOLAR ENERGETIC EVENTS FOR 22 MARCH, 1994
----------------------------------------------------
BEGIN  MAX  END  RGN   LOC   XRAY  OP 245MHZ 10CM   SWEEP
NONE


POSSIBLE CORONAL MASS EJECTION EVENTS FOR 22 MARCH, 1994
--------------------------------------------------------
 BEGIN        MAX      END     LOCATION   TYPE   SIZE  DUR  II IV
     NO EVENTS OBSERVED


INFERRED CORONAL HOLES. LOCATIONS VALID AT 22/2400Z
---------------------------------------------------
               ISOLATED HOLES AND POLAR EXTENSIONS
      EAST   SOUTH  WEST   NORTH  CAR  TYPE  POL  AREA   OBSN
70   N40W12 S26W34 S04W62 N48W14  175  ISO   POS   023 10830A
71   S14E38 S20E28 S10E26 S10E26  106  ISO   POS   002 10830A


SUMMARY OF FLARE EVENTS FOR THE PREVIOUS UTC DAY
------------------------------------------------

 Date   Begin  Max   End  Xray  Op Region  Locn    2695 MHz  8800 MHz  15.4 GHz
------  ----  ----  ----  ----  -- ------ ------  --------- --------- ---------
21 Mar: 1056  1114  1126        SF  7693  N07W36                       
        1130  1130  1134        SF  7693  N07W36                       
        1548  1625  1703  B8.2  SF  7688  N21W68                       
        1755  1758  1803  B3.1  SF  7693  N10W39                       
        1906  1913  1926  B3.6  SF  7693  N08W40                       
        2138  2150  2204  B3.2                                         


REGION FLARE STATISTICS FOR THE PREVIOUS UTC DAY
------------------------------------------------

                C   M   X     S   1   2   3   4   Total   (%)
               --  --  --    --  --  --  --  --    ---  ------
  Region 7688:  0   0   0     1   0   0   0   0    001  (16.7)
  Region 7693:  0   0   0     4   0   0   0   0    004  (66.7)
Uncorrellated: 0   0   0     0   0   0   0   0    001  (16.7)

 Total Events: 006 optical and x-ray.


EVENTS WITH SWEEPS AND/OR OPTICAL PHENOMENA FOR THE LAST UTC DAY
----------------------------------------------------------------

 Date   Begin  Max   End  Xray  Op Region  Locn    Sweeps/Optical Observations
------  ----  ----  ----  ----  -- ------ ------   ---------------------------
                            NO EVENTS OBSERVED.

NOTES:
     All times are in Universal Time (UT).  Characters preceding begin, max,
     and end times are defined as:  B = Before,  U = Uncertain,  A = After.
     All times associated with x-ray flares (ex. flares which produce
     associated x-ray bursts) refer to the begin, max, and end times of the
     x-rays.  Flares which are not associated with x-ray signatures use the
     optical observations to determine the begin, max, and end times.

     Acronyms used to identify sweeps and optical phenomena include:

          II        = Type II Sweep Frequency Event
          III       = Type III Sweep
          IV        = Type IV Sweep
          V         = Type V Sweep
          Continuum = Continuum Radio Event
          Loop      = Loop Prominence System,
          Spray     = Limb Spray,
          Surge     = Bright Limb Surge,
          EPL       = Eruptive Prominence on the Limb.


**  End of Daily Report  **

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Date: Wed, 23 Mar 1994 22:46:04 GMT
From: world!drt@uunet.uu.net
Subject: Grid Squares & Lat/Long
To: info-hams@ucsd.edu

Jay Sissom (JAY@medicine.dmed.iupui.edu) wrote:
: Hello!

: I recently borrowed a GPS device to calculate my Latitude & Longitude.  I 
: found a couple of basic programs on Compuserve to calculate my grid square 
: from this info.  Either something is wrong with the program, or something is 
: wrong with the ARRL map in one of their books.  Here is my lat/long:

: Lattitude:    39' 39.303 N
: Longatude: 89' 10.550 W

: When I feed these numbers into the programs, I get EM59JP.  When I look on the 
: map, EM59 is in Illinois and I live in Indianapolis, IN.  Is the map wrong, or 
: is the basic program wrong?

: Thanks
: Jay
: KA9OKT

Well, the World Almanac says the coordinates for Indianapolis are

39.7678 N
86.1628 W

So I'd say that, gadget or no gadget, your Lat/Long figures are wrong.

-drt

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|David R. Tucker  KG2S        drt@world.std.com|
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Date: Wed, 23 Mar 1994 18:51:39 GMT
From: ihnp4.ucsd.edu!pacbell.com!uop!csus.edu!netcom.com!wa2ise@network.ucsd.edu
Subject: Grounding and lightning protection--KE4ZV
To: info-hams@ucsd.edu

In article <Cn41oy.L6@hpqmoea.sqf.hp.com> dstock@hpqmoca.sqf.hp.com (David Stockton) writes:
>: or 5.11 kW-hr. That's 18.396 Megajoules.
>
>: Gary
>
>   That sounds much more like the kind of numbers I wouldn't want to be 
>anywhere near !
>
>  The ground rod itself will be a small fraction of the resistance and
>so get a small fraction of the energy, it will be the ground around the
>rod that takes the brunt. Instant steam explosion?
>
About 30 years ago, lightning hit a tree in my parent's house's 
backyard.  Boom!  Wooden schrapnel all over the backyard!  Good
thing we were all inside the house.  Probably a steam explosion in 
the tree.

------
A day without netnews is like a day without sunshine!

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Date: Thu, 24 Mar 1994 00:34:03 GMT
From: ihnp4.ucsd.edu!swrinde!gatech!wa4mei!ke4zv!gary@network.ucsd.edu
Subject: Grounding and lightning protection--KE4ZV
To: info-hams@ucsd.edu

In article <Cn4ywC.62s@hpcvsnz.cv.hp.com> tomb@lsid.hp.com (Tom Bruhns) writes:
>Re: lightening strikes to ground rods, etc.
>
>Gotta be a little careful assuming things stay linear at power levels
>like lightening can deliver. 4000 amps * 200 ohms is 800kV, and
>that's got a pretty good probability of ionizing the surrounding
>material, yielding a dynamic resistance that could be a small fraction
>of an ohm (or even negative), disallowing such a high potential drop.

That's true, at least to an extent. The main mechanism for conduction
in soil is sparking from soil grain to soil grain. The biggest current
limiter in soil is the charge saturation that occurs in the vicinity
of the rod. The mechanisms can be complex, and dependent on soil
characteristics and soil moisture. 230 ohms is just a typical value
for the mythical typical conditions, sort of like the typical American
family with 2.3 kids. :-)

Gary
-- 
Gary Coffman KE4ZV          |    You make it,     | gatech!wa4mei!ke4zv!gary
Destructive Testing Systems |    we break it.     | uunet!rsiatl!ke4zv!gary
534 Shannon Way             |    Guaranteed!      | emory!kd4nc!ke4zv!gary 
Lawrenceville, GA 30244     |                     | 

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Date: 23 Mar 1994 20:02:50 -0500
From: ihnp4.ucsd.edu!galaxy.ucr.edu!library.ucla.edu!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!news.umbc.edu!eff!news.kei.com!ddsw1!panix!not-for-mail@network.ucsd.edu
Subject: Kenwood (TS-850) Computer Interface Info Wanted
To: info-hams@ucsd.edu

  A friend is interested in getting details about the computer
interface "box" used with the Kenwood TS-850.  Has anybody built one
for themselves (rather than buying Kenwood's)?  Does anybody have
schematics?  I'm sure that recommendations of commercially available
software and other hints and kinks would be appreciated as well.
Email to me (adam@panix.com) and I'll forward your replies.

 -Thanx
  -Adam (N2DHH)

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Date: Wed, 23 Mar 1994 19:25:17 GMT
From: ihnp4.ucsd.edu!swrinde!emory!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!news.intercon.com!psinntp!psinntp!psinntp!arrl.org!gswanson@network.ucsd.edu
Subject: Latest FCC issued call signs
To: info-hams@ucsd.edu

List of the last call sign issued AS OF MARCH 1, 1994
Per the FCC:

Note: "-----" = out of calls in that group, default to next Group
      to the right.  Example: In Radio District 0, they are out of
      Group C calls, so they are issuing from Group D for Tech/Gen.


Radio District      Group A      Group B      Group C      Group D
                    (Extra)     (Advanced)   (Tech/Gen)    (Novice)

      0              AA0QI        KG0LO        -----        KB0LYV
      1              AA1IV        KD1TZ        N1RMF        KB1BGS
      2              AA2RH        KF2UA        N2YBR        KB2QXD
      3              AA3HG        KE3MC        N3RPA        KB3BBC
      4              AD4QG        KR4NY        -----        KE4KAL
      5              AB5TB        KJ5VI        -----        KC5FON
      6              AC6AP        KN6YT        -----        KE6FTE
      7              AB7BL        KI7WH        -----        KC7BDO
      8              AA8OI        KG8HH        -----        KB8RSM
      9              AA9KI        KF9UM        N9WHC        KB9IXF
    Hawaii           -----        AH6NF        WH6SV        WH6CRD
    Alaska           -----        AL7PO        WL7QW        WL7CHL
  Puerto Rico        -----        KP4WM        -----        WP4MNW
    Guam             WH2D         AH2CU        KH2JB        WH2ANK
  Virgin Islands     WP2G         KP2CC        NP2HG        WP2AHU
  Amer. Samoa        AH8I         AH8AG        KH8BB        WH8ABB

For more information about call sign assignment in the Amateur Radio
Service see Section 97.17(f) of the FCC Rules.

                           73, Glenn KB1GW (ARRL/VEC)

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Date: 23 Mar 94 04:21:00 GMT
From: ihnp4.ucsd.edu!swrinde!gatech!concert!news.duke.edu!duke!wolves!psybbs!fredmail@network.ucsd.edu
Subject: Parts for Heathkit???
To: info-hams@ucsd.edu

MA>From my understanding of things, Heatkit as we knew is is out
MA>of business.  Is there a source where I can pick up replacement
MA>parts for one of their kits?  Specifically the 51-120 Audio
MA>Transformer.
MA>Thanks!
MA>Matt Adair

Hi Matt! What is this xfmr in?? 73 de WB4IUY

___
 X OLX 2.2 X ...As I said before, I never repeat myself.

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Date: Wed, 23 Mar 1994 05:11:12 GMT
From: ihnp4.ucsd.edu!agate!msuinfo!netnews.upenn.edu!iat.holonet.net!pubcon!joe.coles@network.ucsd.edu
Subject: software-general exam
To: info-hams@ucsd.edu

IF anyone knows of the existance of a shareware/freeware program that
presents random questions from the current General exam (a practive exam
program), please let me know where I might download a copy.
Thanks,
Joe Coles
jcoles@pubcon.fort-worth.tx.us
KC5BSK

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Date: Thu, 24 Mar 1994 02:58:58 GMT
From: ihnp4.ucsd.edu!galaxy.ucr.edu!library.ucla.edu!news.ucdavis.edu!chip.ucdavis.edu!ez006683@network.ucsd.edu
Subject: Who Brian is
To: info-hams@ucsd.edu

alan v. cook (alan_v._cook@smtpgty.anatcp.rockwell.COM) wrote:

:      Perhaps someone should explain to Jeff who Brian is, what Brian stands 
:      for, and why, if Brian decides it should be so, almost no one will be 
:      able to hear him.  I'd do it, but it might be more fun to watch Jeff 
:      squirm a little...

I don't know if Jeff knows who Brian is or not.  I don't think that being 
eliminated from the digests will cause one to be heard by "almost no one" 
though.  It is an interesting point though. I never thought about the 
fact that the digests were censored. Have they been previously?  I always 
thought the digests on QRZ? were unadulteraated from their news origin, 
except headers etc.  I know that the readership numbers are occasionally 
posted but I've never seen anything regarding the size of the digest 
subscription list.  

cheers,
Dan
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* Daniel D. Todd      Packet: KC6UUD@KE6LW.#nocal.ca.usa              *
*                   Internet: ddtodd@ucdavis.edu                      *
*                 Snail Mail: 1750 Hanover #102                       *
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Date: Wed, 23 Mar 1994 23:40:07 GMT
From: ihnp4.ucsd.edu!usc!howland.reston.ans.net!gatech!wa4mei!ke4zv!gary@network.ucsd.edu
To: info-hams@ucsd.edu

References <1994Mar23.000101.38868@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu>, <1994Mar23.125211.19448@ke4zv.atl.ga.us>, <1994Mar23.174258.8681@arrl.org>
Reply-To : gary@ke4zv.atl.ga.us (Gary Coffman)
Subject : Re: Telecom and Meteors

In article <1994Mar23.174258.8681@arrl.org> zlau@arrl.org (Zack Lau (KH6CP)) writes:
>Gary Coffman (gary@ke4zv.atl.ga.us) wrote:
>
>: We're talking about the constant rain of micrometeoroids here, not the
>: big visible ones. Individual "pings" are short, but there's a constant
>: source of them. Hams who work meteor scatter tend to wait for the big
>: meteor storms and use the longer, and rarer, pings off the larger trails, 
>: but that's not necessary. Only if you use analog voice or hand keyed
>: Morse are the longer pings needed. If you use digital burst communications,
>: and good FEC, you can take advantage of the constant supply of short pings 
>: available from micrometeoriods.
>
>Long bursts are also needed for AX.25 packet.  I don't believe amateurs
>have actually developed an optimized data system to take advantage of
>meteor scatter.   I'd estimate that there are approximately 0 data
>links in the amateur service that rely on meteor scatter right now.
>I suspect that amateurs are still busy working on other options that
>seem offer more capability.

It's certainly true that typical amateur grade packet is not suited
to meteor burst communications. Ralph Wallio conducted some tests at
1200 baud a few years ago. With short packets (<40 char) some complete
packets make it, but the trail dies before the ACK can be sent, except
during showers. Higher speeds would be helpful, but the FCC limits us 
to 19.6 kb on 50 MHz, and really fast TR turnarounds are needed. AMTOR 
sort of works, but it doesn't utilize the pings very effectively.

What we really need, however, is a different approach. In the first
place, we need to be operating full duplex. With both ends transmitting
continously, any path is immediately obvious to both ends, and as much
data can be pushed through as possible during each ping. We also need
to use a selective broadcast protocol rather than a stop and wait
protocol. Each side pushes their message through to it's end, and 
repeats only those parts unacknowledged until no unacknowledged
data remains. The receivers then assemble the messages from the
received fragments. 

Using FEC may or may not be a win here. I think it may, Paul seems to 
think it won't. But I want to apply it somewhat differently than the
usual case. I want to use the method used in D2 digital videotape. This 
technique "smears" errors across the matrix such that no long burst errors 
are contained in any single FEC protected block. The way this is done is 
to read a frame into a matrix by rows, calculate FEC values by column
and store them in the last row, calculate a cross FEC by row and store 
it in the last column, and then read out the data for transmission in 
reverse order by columns. If we keep the frame size such that a frame can 
be sent in under a second, about 1500 characters if we use 19.6 kb, then 
on average we should get a frame through per ping. Since the pings are 
generally underdense, and have some doppler, I think the block encoded 
FEC frames will have a much better chance of being reconstructed whole 
than would unprotected blocks.

Gary
-- 
Gary Coffman KE4ZV          |    You make it,     | gatech!wa4mei!ke4zv!gary
Destructive Testing Systems |    we break it.     | uunet!rsiatl!ke4zv!gary
534 Shannon Way             |    Guaranteed!      | emory!kd4nc!ke4zv!gary 
Lawrenceville, GA 30244     |                     | 

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Date: Thu, 24 Mar 1994 01:55:56 GMT
From: ihnp4.ucsd.edu!library.ucla.edu!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!emory!wa4mei!ke4zv!gary@network.ucsd.edu
To: info-hams@ucsd.edu

References <1994Mar23.000101.38868@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu>, <1994Mar23.125211.19448@ke4zv.atl.ga.us>, <paulf.764453359@abercrombie.Stanford.EDU> 
Reply-To : gary@ke4zv.atl.ga.us (Gary Coffman)
Subject : Re: Telecom and Meteors

In article <paulf.764453359@abercrombie.Stanford.EDU> paulf@abercrombie.Stanford.EDU (Paul Flaherty) writes:
>gary@ke4zv.atl.ga.us (Gary Coffman) writes:
>
>>If you use digital burst communications, and good FEC, you can take advantage
>>of the constant supply of short pings available from micrometeoriods.
>
>Actually, there's some question as to the utility of FEC for MBC systems.
>Since trail dissipation is a rapid exponential process, signals tend to
>fall below threshold, on average, in the middle of packets; the required
>overhead to correct half a packet is quite large, and since one could
>potentially use those overhead bits to send real information, you're much
>better off with some sort of a selective retransmission system.

If the system is falling below threshold in the middle of packets, your
packets are too long. :-)

Seriously, I think what you're trying to say is that on average the
last frame of a series is lost in the middle. But what that actually
means is that for any given last frame, *some* of the frame is lost,
in a range from 99% to 1%, that averages over time to 50%. That means
in turn that some frames can be recovered with minor overhead, some
can be recovered with major overhead, and a few are too far gone to
recover at all. 

If the last of a series of frames sent during a burst were all that
were lost, then I'd agree that FEC is probably not worth the effort.
But with the underdense pings we're discussing, that's not the case.
The channel will be noisy, and subjected to doppler throughout. What
FEC buys us is a good chance to salvage those frames that are sent
*before* the trail decays beyond recovery.

Gary
-- 
Gary Coffman KE4ZV          |    You make it,     | gatech!wa4mei!ke4zv!gary
Destructive Testing Systems |    we break it.     | uunet!rsiatl!ke4zv!gary
534 Shannon Way             |    Guaranteed!      | emory!kd4nc!ke4zv!gary 
Lawrenceville, GA 30244     |                     | 

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Date: Thu, 24 Mar 1994 03:00:16 GMT
From: ihnp4.ucsd.edu!swrinde!gatech!wa4mei!ke4zv!gary@network.ucsd.edu
To: info-hams@ucsd.edu

References <2ml9q1$25h@hplvec.lvld.hp.com>, <2mn2rd$ol0@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu>, <1994Mar23.162557.7558@arrl.org>
Reply-To : gary@ke4zv.atl.ga.us (Gary Coffman)
Subject : Re: RF and AF speech processors. Was: FT-990 vs TS-850

In article <1994Mar23.162557.7558@arrl.org> zlau@arrl.org (Zack Lau (KH6CP)) writes:
>Ignacy Misztal (ignacy@ux2.cso.uiuc.edu) wrote:
>
>: I am wondering why the QST reviews do not mention the type of processing, 
>: which has a large effect on signal quality. Signals with audio processing 
>: have higher content of AF harmonics, and are subsequently less efficient
>
>I don't understand why audio processing has to result in more audio
>harmonics.  Aren't there digital signal processing algorithms that 
>could prevent this effect?  Even before DSP, didn't people use split
>band audio processing to reduce the content of harmonics?  

Sure, and still do in broadcasting, but it isn't either easy or cheap,
and the results still aren't that great. You have to process in 1/3
octave bands, and there are a lot of them at the lower end of the
voice spectrum. You also have to adopt a control strategy that doesn't
alter the amplitude relationships between octaves too much, or the
time relationships *at all*, otherwise you screw up the frequency 
and phase response on a dynamic basis. That sounds *really* bad,
worse than just harmonic distortion.  Broadcast engineers seem to 
spend half their lives tinkering with the audio processing equipment. 
It's really easier to modulate, limit at RF, filter, and demodulate 
again rather than process properly at AF.

Gary
-- 
Gary Coffman KE4ZV          |    You make it,     | gatech!wa4mei!ke4zv!gary
Destructive Testing Systems |    we break it.     | uunet!rsiatl!ke4zv!gary
534 Shannon Way             |    Guaranteed!      | emory!kd4nc!ke4zv!gary 
Lawrenceville, GA 30244     |                     | 

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