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Info-Hams Digest Sat, 5 Mar 94 Volume 94 : Issue 246
Today's Topics:
5 by 5...
first letter
Ham Radio areas on Prodigy, CServe, etc?
IPS Daily Report 02 03 94
JARGON (2 msgs)
Mod for TS-830
NACEC - DISASTER VOLUNTEER Info.
Nude Radio Amateurs
On-line Repeater Directory (2 msgs)
Question about AZDEN PCS5000
Status of Online Repeater Directory Project....
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Date: 4 Mar 94 02:11:12 GMT
From: nprdc!ihnp4.ucsd.edu!sdd.hp.com!col.hp.com!srgenprp!alanb@network.ucsd.edu
Subject: 5 by 5...
To: info-hams@ucsd.edu
Joe Gregg (gregg@plains.nodak.edu) wrote:
: Ok, here's a trivial question that I don't know the answer to:
: Where did the phrase, "I read you five by five." come from and what does it
: mean. I know it means good copy, but what specifically does it mean? Does it
: come from the early days of radar, of ham radio, of military aviation or what?
I believe it comes from the old days before the RST system was invented.
The Q-signal QSA was a signal strength scale that went from 1-5 (versus
1-9 for the "S" in RST). So a signal report of 5x5 means you are very
readable and very loud.
AL N1AL
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Date: 4 Mar 94 05:57:26 GMT
From: news.Hawaii.Edu!uhunix3.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu!jherman@ames.arpa
Subject: first letter
To: info-hams@ucsd.edu
In article <YEE.94Mar3190731@mipgsun.mipg.upenn.edu> yee@mipg.upenn.edu (Conway Yee) writes:
>This is a (hopefully accurate) transcription of the first letter that
>was sent to me. Any typographical errors not noted below are my own.
>These are not my words and are the words of the ARRL. The use of the
>symbol "$" is in lieu of a non printable symbol in the letter.
>
>Conway Yee, N2JWQ/AA
>
>=================== begin letter =================================
>
> January 28, 1994
>
>Mr. Conway Yee N2JWQ
>2144 East 21 Street
>Brooklyn, NY 11229
>
>Dear Mr. Yee:
>
> This office represents the American Radio Relay League,
>Incorporated. I have been referred an Internet message posted by you
>concerning the publication of a repeater database on line. While the
>League does not wish to be uncooperative, and is in fact supportive of
>volunteer efforts to provide information to radio amateurs, it is
>unfortunately obligated to enforce its copyrights, or lose the ability
>to do so. Your use of the Repeater Directory, and its format, as the
>basis for your on-line database is an infringement of the League's
>copyright. We are compelled to request that you cease any use of it
>in putting together any repeater database.
<remainder of thoughtful letter deleted>
Conway: Too bad you didn't post this a month ago; the long, drawout
thread concerning the ARRL wouldn't have been necessary. I see
no problem at all with the ARRL's stance in this matter.
73,
Jeff NH6IL
P.S. `cannot' was properly spelled and used correctly; `apologise'
is also correct (British) spelling (similar to the British spelling
of `realise').
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Date: 4 Mar 94 04:36:42 GMT
From: nprdc!ihnp4.ucsd.edu!agate!library.ucla.edu!csulb.edu!csus.edu!netcom.com!wy1z@network.ucsd.edu
Subject: Ham Radio areas on Prodigy, CServe, etc?
To: info-hams@ucsd.edu
I am in search of the people in charge of the Ham Radio areas
(conferencing, files), on the popular commercial services:
CompuServe
Prodigy
America Online (I have this already)
GEnie
Delphi
any others I am missing
Any information people can provide would be most helpful.
Thanks much!
73,
Scott
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Date: Wed, 2 Mar 1994 23:29:38 GMT
From: ihnp4.ucsd.edu!news.cerf.net!pravda.sdsc.edu!nic-nac.CSU.net!csus.edu!wupost!cs.utexas.edu!swrinde!sgiblab!munnari.oz.au!newshost.anu.edu.au!sserve!usage!metro!ipso!rwc@network.ucsd.edu
Subject: IPS Daily Report 02 03 94
To: info-hams@ucsd.edu
IPS RADIO AND SPACE SERVICES AUSTRALIA
Daily Solar And Geophysical Report
Issued at 2330 UT 2 March 1994
Summary for 2 March and Forecast up to 5 March
IPS Warning 07 was issued on 02 March and is current
for period 03-09 March.
-----------------------------------------------------------
1A. SOLAR SUMMARY
Activity: Low
Flares: None
Observed 10.7 cm flux/Equivalent Sunspot Number : 98/45
1B. SOLAR FORECAST
03 March 04 March 05 March
Activity Low Low Low
Fadeouts None expected None expected None expected
Forecast 10.7 cm flux/Equivalent Sunspot Number : 100/48
1C. SOLAR COMMENT
None.
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2A. MAGNETIC SUMMARY
Geomagnetic field at Learmonth : quiet to unsettled
Estimated Indices : A K Observed A Index 1 March
Learmonth 12 2323 3233
Fredericksburg 12 10
Planetary 10 10
2B. MAGNETIC FORECAST
DATE Ap CONDITIONS
03 Mar 20 Unsettled.
04 Mar 30 Active.
05 Mar 35 Active to minor storm.
2C. MAGNETIC COMMENT
Geomagnetic activity is expected to increase over the next
few days due to a coronal hole.
3A. GLOBAL HF PROPAGATION SUMMARY
LATITUDE BAND
DATE LOW MIDDLE HIGH
02 Mar normal normal normal
PCA Event : None.
3B. GLOBAL HF PROPAGATION FORECAST
LATITUDE BAND
DATE LOW MIDDLE HIGH
03 Mar normal fair poor
04 Mar fair poor poor
05 Mar fair poor poor
3C. GLOBAL HF PROPAGATION COMMENT
Degraded HF comms are expected over the next few days.
-----------------------------------------------------------
4A. AUSTRALIAN REGION IONOSPHERIC SUMMARY
MUFs at Sydney were 10 to 15% above predicted monthly values
T index: 73
4B. AUSTRALIAN REGION IONOSPHERIC FORECAST
DATE T-index MUFs
03 Mar 60 About 15% above predicted monthly values.
04 Mar 30 Near predicted monthly values.
05 Mar 10 10 to 20% below predicted monthly values.
Predicted Monthly T Index for March is 40.
4C. AUSTRALIAN REGION COMMENT
Communications are expected to become degraded over the next few
days.
--
IPS Regional Warning Centre, Sydney |IPS Radio and Space Services
email: rwc@ips.oz.au |PO Box 5606
tel: +61 2 4148329 |West Chatswood NSW 2057
fax: +61 2 4148331 |AUSTRALIA
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Date: Fri, 4 Mar 1994 17:09:59 GMT
From: ihnp4.ucsd.edu!mvb.saic.com!unogate!news.service.uci.edu!usc!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!news.msfc.nasa.gov!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!wupost!csus.edu!netcom.com!slay@network.
Subject: JARGON
To: info-hams@ucsd.edu
Jeffrey Wittich (jwittich@b4pph107.bnr.ca) wrote:
: Tin cans is another good one. Maybe not as colorful as XYL,
: but should help with the project. For the new fellows, tin
: cans is an OF word for headphones. Ya don't hear it much
: any more. I guess everybody uses speakers now.
Well - I am not so sure about the *tin* part - but "cans* is
definitely one of the terms used. Even recently, I recall asking
for some *cans* while visiting another OF [OF being a relative new
term].
: 73.
In a private reply, I mentioned the term 73 and its orgin. As I recall
reading someplace - the term came from old [REALLY OFs] time land line
telegraphers in the 1800s. As a way of signing off - they would use
73 to mean something to the effect that if/when they died - they would
*will* their Winchester 73 rifle to the fellow on the other end of the
line.
Cheers de Sandy WA6BXH/7J1ABV slay@netcom.com
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Date: 4 Mar 1994 17:13:43 GMT
From: yale.edu!noc.near.net!transfer.stratus.com!hoop.sw.stratus.com!northup@yale.arpa
Subject: JARGON
To: info-hams@ucsd.edu
jlw3@cec3.wustl.edu (Jesse L Wei) writes:
: Now this is my question: do hams *ever* talk about anything besides what
: kind of rig (s)he's got, ham problems, ham equipment, etc? As a waiting
: (as in for my ticket) prospective, I've liistened to the local repeaters,
: and personally, the conversations seem pretty boring if that's all you
: ever talk about. Have I missed anything? or something? Is the purpose
: of ham radio to talk about the technicalities of it? I know that the
: whole nature of it requires technicality, but isn't there more to
: it than that?
:
: --jesse (still waiting)
Congratulations on getting into Amateur radio.
A non-ham friend described amateur radio to me the following way -
"You spend LOTS of money on real nice equipment so that you can talk all over
the world to tell everyone that you spent LOTS of money to buy real nice
equipment."
I have had my VHF radio for less than a week and have found that there are some
good and some boring conversations. What I have found is that when I am at home
I keep turning off the VHF and leaving the HF radio on because I have been
finding many interesting people and conversations there.
Keep looking around, amateur radio is many things to many people.
--
--
Bill Northup PHONE: (508) 460-2085
Stratus Computer Inc. INTERNET: northup@sw.stratus.com
55 Fairbanks Boulevard OR: northup@Vos.Stratus.com
Marlboro, MA 01752 Amateur Radio: n1qpr/aa
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Date: Fri, 4 Mar 1994 13:01:06 GMT
From: mvb.saic.com!unogate!news.service.uci.edu!usc!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!news.msfc.nasa.gov!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!sdd.hp.com!caen!@@ihnp4.ucsd.edu
Subject: Mod for TS-830
To: info-hams@ucsd.edu
I am looking for a mod that corrects a frequency drift problem. It has
something to do with adding a "star" washer to create a better connection
to a circuit board.
thanks,
Ken
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Date: 2 Mar 94 16:48:32 GMT
From: ncrgw2.ncr.com!ncrhub2!tdbunews!nsc32!wps@uunet.uu.net
Subject: NACEC - DISASTER VOLUNTEER Info.
To: info-hams@ucsd.edu
In article 94Mar1072619@turquoise.usafa.af.mil, jcmiller@turquoise.usafa.af.mil (Jeff Miller, Homer Simpson's alter ego) writes:
-->In article <1994Feb28.120042.22852@walter.cray.com> rps@cray.com (Russell P. Starksen) writes:
-->
--> ===================== cut here =======================
--> INTERNET.TST
--> FEBRUARY 14, 1994
--> ATTN: DISASTER VOLUNTEERS & MILITARY FAMILIES!!!
-->
--> Our group is looking for volunteers to help expand our project
--> nationwide! I have heard many things about Internet and have
--> posted this message to see if there is anyone on the system that
--> wants to help.. Please take a few minutes and read this bulletin.
--> If you would like more information or wish to help, get in touch
--> with me. I hope you find these 3 pages of information of interest.
-->
--> Mr. Edward E. Addy
--> President, NACEC
-->
--> W H A T I S N A C E C ?
-->
--> NACEC is an acronym for "The North American Center for Emergency
--> Communications". NACEC is not a radio club. It is a hybrid non-
--> profit humanitarian organization. It was started under the name
--> "Global Voices Project" on July 9th of 1992 and incorporated in
--> Minnesota on January 8th 1993 for the purpose of improving the
--> efficiency of other non-profit humanitarian organizations during
--> their disaster aid and relief operations, throughout North America.
--> NACEC also provides health and welfare communications assistance
--> between members of the U.S. Armed Forces serving overseas and their
--> families here at home.
-->
--> The projects name was changed to The North American Center for
--> Emergency Communications, (NACEC) by unanimous vote of The Board of
--> Directors in August of 1993 to more closely reflect the projects
--> mission and purpose.
-->
--> W H Y W A S N A C E C F O R M E D ?
--> NACEC's mission is to provide communications support to aid
--> disaster victims and Military Families. NACEC was formed for one
--> basic purpose "To reduce deaths and the amount of human suffering,
--> through the development and implementation of an organization which
--> can rapidly provide emergency communications.
-->
-->
-->(much deleted)
-->
-->
-->This is very interesting. Sounds like a mirror image of MARS, ARES, RACES,
-->and NTS rolled into one. I wonder what functions those organizations fail
-->to fulfill that this new organization seeks to do.
-->
-->I also find it curious that Mr. Addy makes no mention of a callsign.
-->
-->73 from sunny (truly!) Colorado Springs,
-->
-->Jeff
-->
-->
-->--
-->Jeff Miller, NH6ZW/N0, AFA1HE/5 (for now) (ex WD6CQV, AFA8JM, AFA1DO)
-->USAFAnet Manager and General Troubleshooter [jcmiller@gems.usafa.af.mil] or
-->HQ USAF/DFYC, USAF Academy, CO 80840 [millerjc%dfyc@dfmail.usafa.af.mil]
-->55: It's not a good idea, it's just the law. E-mail for NMA info.
Could this be Mr. Addy?
Call-Sign: KE0EG Class: ADVANCED
Previously: KA0TOG Class: GENERAL
Real Name: EDWARD E ADDY Birthday: JUL 9, 1953
Mailing Address: 3875 DODD RD, EAGAN, MN 55123
Valid From: MAR 11, 1986 To: MAR 11, 1996
---
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AT&T Global Information Solutions (310) 524-5754
El Segundo, CA (800) 222-6245 x5754
Call: KD6UQB Simi Settlers ARC
Simi Valley, CA
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Date: 4 Mar 1994 17:20:29 GMT
From: yale.edu!noc.near.net!transfer.stratus.com!hoop.sw.stratus.com!northup@yale.arpa
Subject: Nude Radio Amateurs
To: info-hams@ucsd.edu
Is it time to get into ATV ?
--
--
Bill Northup PHONE: (508) 460-2085
Stratus Computer Inc. INTERNET: northup@sw.stratus.com
55 Fairbanks Boulevard OR: northup@Vos.Stratus.com
Marlboro, MA 01752 Amateur Radio: n1qpr/aa
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Date: 4 Mar 94 00:45:11 GMT
From: nprdc!ihnp4.ucsd.edu!news.cerf.net!ccnet.com!ccnet.com!not-for-mail@network.ucsd.edu
Subject: On-line Repeater Directory
To: info-hams@ucsd.edu
Todd Jonz (tcj@netcom.com) after my extensive editing, wrote:
: Bravo! Perhaps some of the other coordinating bodies will follow T-MARC's
: example. There are a handful of repeaters listed for my area that I've never
: heard a peep out of since I bought my first HT in '85. When I hear that there
: are long waiting lists in my area for a coordinated pair on 2M or 75cm, I
: often wonder if these phantom allocations are preventing someone else from
: getting a machine on the air, or whether they are merely bits of dross at the
: bottom of the files that nobody has ever bothered to clean up. Any thoughts,
: anyone?
: Todd, KB6JXT
Most coordinating bodies have a difficult time De-coordinating a former
useful repeater. What is the process that your local coordinator uses?
How long can a repeater frequency remain inactive before the frequency is
recoordinated?
Can some one buy or sell a coordination or does the frequency go to the
next applicant waiting in line?
Have you ever contacted your local coordinator and pointed out these
inaccuracies?
The southern california 220 spectrum management association must have a
difficult task ahead, as they must de-coordinate several repeaters to
accomodate the new fcc band plan for 222.000 - 222.150 MHz.
Bob
--
Bob Wilkins bwilkins@cave.org
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Date: 4 Mar 94 09:05:52 GMT
From: nprdc!ihnp4.ucsd.edu!agate!msuinfo!netnews.upenn.edu!mipg.upenn.edu!yee@network.ucsd.edu
Subject: On-line Repeater Directory
To: info-hams@ucsd.edu
Gary Coffman (gary@ke4zv.atl.ga.us) wrote:
: That's right on, good mind reading. While I think the ARRL position is
: shaky at best here, I don't want to see tanks rumbling down Main St.
: in Newington either. The BATF and FBI death squads are already bad
Jon Bloom KE3Z (jbloom@arrl.org), a ARRL HQ staffer, follows up with:
>I dunno. Might be entertaining.
Well, if ARRL HQ wants to be the recipient of our federal goon squad's
attentions and the taxpayer has no objections, I see absolutely no
reason whatsoever why the ARRL's preference for entertainment can not
be accomodated.
--
Medical Image Processing Group | Conway Yee, N2JWQ
411 Blockley Hall | EMAIL : yee@mipg.upenn.edu
418 Service Drive | VOICE : 1 (215) 662-6780
Philadelphia, PA 19104-6021 (USA) | FAX : 1 (215) 898-9145
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Date: 4 Mar 1994 12:19:53 -0500
From: yale.edu!noc.near.net!genrad.com!genrad.com!not-for-mail@yale.arpa
Subject: Question about AZDEN PCS5000
To: info-hams@ucsd.edu
Does anybody know how you find/replace the memory backup battery on
the AZDEN PCS5000 2 meter FM xcvr?
Thanks in advance.
Bill Ledder
wal@genrad.com
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Date: 4 Mar 94 03:05:39 GMT
From: nprdc!ihnp4.ucsd.edu!agate!msuinfo!netnews.upenn.edu!mipg.upenn.edu!yee@network.ucsd.edu
Subject: Status of Online Repeater Directory Project....
To: info-hams@ucsd.edu
In the subsequent two posts, I enclose copies of the two letters that
the ARRL has or will send me. The second letter has not yet been
received so I am unable to verify the accuracy of the email version
compared to the printed version but I have no reason to believe that
there will be any differences.
In response to the two written letters as well as a telephone
conversation that I had with Mr. Imlay, the author of the letters, I
state below the current aims of the project, the objections that the
ARRL has with the existing database as I understand the situation, and
the current ideas to work around the restrictions imposed on the
project. The list of ARRL objections stems from both the two letters
posted and the telephone conversation I had with Mr. Imlay. It is my
current plan to give the project one last try before giving up.
===================================================================
GOAL
The creation of an online database of amateur repeaters. The
advantage of an online database is obvious since it allows arbitrary
user searches. This is far less restrictive than what is currently
available. An online repeater directory is more easily updated to
correct for errors, new repeaters, repeaters that no longer exist and
changes in repeater status. It is my hope that the ARRL will not turn
around and publish a online directory of their own as this would make
my efforts a waste. I am more than willing to let the ARRL carry the
ball if they so desire. If so, I can fold up shop, consider the
project a success and get on with my life; I have plenty of other
interesting projects in the back burner.
ARRL OBJECTIONS
The ARRL objects to the geographic descriptions used in the current
database. Specifically, they object to the middle location descriptor
between State and immediate location.
The ARRL objects to the contents of the comments field. The use of
ARRL abbreviations (e.g. o for open, etc) will not be permitted if it
can be construed to be coming from the ARRL repeater directory.
The ARRL will not give permission to use the data in the repeater
directory in any form. Any data present in the online directory must
not have its source from the ARRL directory.
PLANS FOR THE PROJECT
The parts of the ARRL database not subject to copyright will be
extracted and used as a starting point for a new directory.
Given my understanding of the ARRL's restrictions, I believe that I
can restart the online directory project without making the current
data format obsolete. The definitions for the fields that the ARRL
objects to will be clarified and any extensions will make use of some
of the reserved fields. This way, existing software that has been
written to use the database will not have to be rewritten.
The comments field will use only English words. This plan may have to
change if it turns out that this unduly burdens any software that is
written to access the data.
The middle geographic descriptor (field 11, minor region designation)
will be revised. From what I understand, field 10 (major region
designation in which we generally put the State) and field 12
(immediate location) is not under dispute. Since we may have problems
with using the designations North, East, West, South, etc. since the
ARRL uses these designations sporadically in the directory, I am
hoping to use nearest major city or some other landmark that would be
familiar to a traveller NOT living in the area. For example, a
repeater in Hell's Kitchen in NYC would be designated as being in New
York City in field 11.
I have heard opinions that say that the data is not subject to
copyright (one such opinion motivated me to start this entire thing)
and others which say that it is. Ultimately, I do not care one way or
another. I prefer to avoid the threat of legal action in the first
place. Given this, I plan to comply with the ARRL requirement not to
use the directory as a source of information. The revised project
will take input primarily from users with coordinator input where this
is possible. From what I understand, some coordinating bodies are
likely to refuse to cooperate. We will consider coordinating body
data to be the "icing on the cake."
I have received flames to the effect that any repeater directory must
contain totally accurate information and that allowing a measure of
inaccuracy defeats any benefit whatsoever. I note, however, that no
totally accurate database exists anywhere. All the databases
currently available contain numerous errors and all are a crude
approximation of reality. While accuracy would be nice, the online
database will probably not be able to achieve the level of accuracy
that some would like; it simply is not practical at all. The online
directory project will rely on the honesty and the good faith of its
users. In effect this is the same trust that is relied upon by every
repeater database. While accuracy is appreciated, it will not be
allowed to overburden the data collection.
The renewed project will require a great deal of manpower which I or
the number of volunteers currently available can devote. I am hoping
divide the workload in some way. User data will hopefully be
collected already in the format that I described previously so that
the collector will not have to do this.
Since I hope to not make the current file format obsolete, data
collection from users can proceed immediately even before the next
version of the format has been decided upon. I am hoping to use some
of the reserved fields to indicate linked repeater systems.
While I have no particular desire to copyright the collected data, a
number of volunteers expressed the interest to prevent the data from
being "stolen". Thus, this will be done in all likelihood.
--
Medical Image Processing Group | Conway Yee, N2JWQ
411 Blockley Hall | EMAIL : yee@mipg.upenn.edu
418 Service Drive | VOICE : 1 (215) 662-6780
Philadelphia, PA 19104-6021 (USA) | FAX : 1 (215) 898-9145
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Date: 3 Mar 94 02:24:45 GMT
From: news.cerf.net!pravda.sdsc.edu!nic-nac.CSU.net!csus.edu!wupost!cs.utexas.edu!swrinde!sgiblab!munnari.oz.au!newshost.anu.edu.au!sserve!usage!metro!news.ci.com.au!eram!@@ihnp4.ucsd.edu
To: info-hams@ucsd.edu
References <1994Feb21.104420.14516@mel.dit.csiro.au>, <Z7mbtAdCBh107h@active.asstdc.com.au>, <gradyCLxxqM.IID@netcom.com>sw
Subject : Re: personal communication Australia <-> USA
In article <gradyCLxxqM.IID@netcom.com>,
grady@netcom.com (Grady Ward) writes:
| But PGP key exchange by radio is perfectly OK.
I guess that this would be a poor time to comment that if it were not for
the headers that scream out "Look at me! I'm a PGP message!" it would be
indistinguishable from 7PLUS, or R95, or UUENCODE, etc...
--
Dave Horsfall (VK2KFU) VK2KFU @ VK2OP.NSW.AUS.OC PGP 2.3
dave@esi.COM.AU ...munnari!esi.COM.AU!dave available
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