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Info-Hams Digest Thu, 3 Mar 94 Volume 94 : Issue 230
Today's Topics:
10-10#
5 by 5...
ARRL Letter contents
BY hams imprisoned by PRC
For Sale: W9GR DSP (assembled)
Ham Radio and More - Stations and Info Number
Have a say about ARRL policy
Madison to Kalamazoo info...
Medium range point-to-point digital links
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Date: Tue, 1 Mar 1994 16:34:11 GMT
From: ihnp4.ucsd.edu!agate!howland.reston.ans.net!gatech!asuvax!pitstop.mcd.mot.com!mcdphx!schbbs!waters.corp.mot.com.corp.mot.com!user@network.ucsd.edu
Subject: 10-10#
To: info-hams@ucsd.edu
In article <1994Feb28.165221.5814@yvax.byu.edu>, sandersm@yvax.byu.edu
wrote:
> I am trying to get my 10 10-10 nbers. I would apprecite it if someone who
> has a 10-10 number just give a UTC time and 10m Frequency and I'll be there.
> 73's Thanks. Chad.....KB7ZIU
Would be glad too, but I don't remember mine! I got it around 20 years ago
and haven't been active in 10-10 for around 15 years.
Anyone know how to find out my old number?
Mike AA4MW
--
Phooey on it all - I'm going sailing for a year or two!!!
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Date: 1 Mar 1994 08:35:25 -0800
From: ihnp4.ucsd.edu!library.ucla.edu!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!news.umbc.edu!eff!news.kei.com!ssd.intel.com!chnews!ornews.intel.com!ornews.intel.com!not-for-mail@network.ucsd.edu
Subject: 5 by 5...
To: info-hams@ucsd.edu
In article <762531813snx@skyld.grendel.com> jangus@skyld.grendel.com (Jeffrey D. Angus) writes:
>In article <gregg.68.000DC24B@plains.nodak.edu> gregg@plains.nodak.edu writes:
> > Where did the phrase, "I read you five by five." come from and what does
> > it mean. I know it means good copy, but what specifically does it mean?
> > Does it come from the early days of radar, of ham radio, of military
> > aviation or what?
> It comes from the RST signal reporting system.
I would question this. You will never hear an air traffic controller give
a signal report greater than 5X5. In fact, I've never heard one give a
report under 5X5 for that matter. It seems to me they have 3 signal reports
commonly used:
"Taylorcraft 99999, You're 5 by 5. Squawk 4747, transistion approved".
"Aircraft calling, you're garbled and unreadable. Remain clear of ARSA/TCA".
"Aircraft calling, you're scratchy and unreadable. Remain clear of ARSA/TCA".
The last two phrases are often used in response to aircraft handhelds.
I've started using 5X5 myself after becoming disgusted with the abuse of 5X9.
I used to always use 5X7 out of generosity but a more middle figure is
probably better. 5X9 should require meter repair while 5X0 obviously means
you only hear hiss. Actually, "Loud and Clear" has no more syllables than
"Five by Five" and will probably be better understood by a wider audience.
A Tailorcraft suits me fine.
--
zardoz@ornews.intel.com WA7LDV
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Date: 3 Mar 94 20:04:57 GMT
From: news-mail-gateway@ucsd.edu
Subject: ARRL Letter contents
To: info-hams@ucsd.edu
Is it just me or does it seem silly to have a "10 years ago in the ARRL
Letter" area in a newsletter that's supposed to be filled with fast breaking
or short fuse news..?
It just seems like it's off the subject somehow and probably feels out of
place to me......If Westlink did it, people would scream (dunno if W5YI would
do this...).
bill wb9ivr
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Date: Wed, 2 Mar 1994 15:38:44 GMT
From: ihnp4.ucsd.edu!swrinde!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!ncar!csn!col.hp.com!news.dtc.hp.com!hpscit.sc.hp.com!cupnews0.cup.hp.com!jholly@network.ucsd.edu
Subject: BY hams imprisoned by PRC
To: info-hams@ucsd.edu
Celia Tony Becker (becker@shell.portal.com) wrote:
: I found this on the DX reflector, and post it here.
: >
: > MORE ON THE VOA STORY ABOUT "BY" OPS. Fred, K3ZO, who has just recently
: > returned from Thailand where he operated as HS0ZAR, had doubts about the
: > Voice of America (VOA) report that all BY hams have been rounded up and
: > sent to labor camps. Fred stated he heard and worked plenty of BAs, BYs
: > and BZs while in Thailand, so he decided to investigated the Voice of
: > America broadcast and found the following information:
: >
: > Here is the exact VOA text, which was based on a news item that was on
: > the REUTERS news wire on February 16th: "Police in China have cracked
: > down on the country's largest group of amateur radio operators, and
: > have sent three of the group's leaders to labor camps.
: >
: > The "Official China Business Times Today" (Wed. Fed. 16th) Identified
: > the group as "Radio-Air-Salon", based in Henan Province (BY6). It said
: > police have caught 61 members of the group -- which had effectively
: > taken over some 27 radio channels.
: >
: > The report said Radio-Air-Salon members often interrupted regular
: > broadcasts with their own conversations and illegally listened in on
: > restricted frequencies. It said the use of technical equipment to
: > create chaos in the airwaves is a new type of illegal activity.......
: >
: > Fred comments he has tried to work as many different Chinese stations
: > as possible while he was in Thailand, but he never heard BY6. The ARRL
: > reports that their information shows only one licensed amateur radio
: > station in PRC, club station BY6SRA, licensed to the Shanxi Branch of
: > the China Radio Sports Association (CRSA). CRSA is the IARU member
: > society for China. Fred points out that the VOA broadcast only mentions
: > that three members of one club were sent to "re-education camps", this
: > is a far cry from "ALL BY's". This is a prime example of how RUMORS can
: > spread like wildfires and blow things out of proportion Also, the press
: > has often referred to all manners of radio hobbyists as "AMATEUR RADIO
: > OPERATORS." The group of hobbyists mentioned in the broadcast may be
: > engaging in SWL and CB type activities rather than actual amateur
: > operations. Fred states such activities are widespread in Asia and has
: > experienced pirate "CB" operations on the 40 meter band while operating
: > from HS-land. So in summary, amateur radio is alive and well in PRC.
: > Reports of activity this week by BY1QH on both 40 and 80 meters is
: > proof. Also, Martti, OH2BH, was in Beijing recently and visited the
: > operators and station of BY1PK. Martti stated things were just fine
: > and no one is rounded up in the labor camps. As matter of fact, foreign
: > operators may be licensed in PRC soon. (TNX to K3ZO, N8II and OH2BH)
: > ----------------------------
: > Tedd Mirgliotta KB8NW
: > InterNet: kb8nw@barf80.nshore.org
: > Basic Amateur Radio Frequency BBS (BARF-80) +1 216/237-8208
: > "Totally devoted to Amateur Radio" - 24 Hrs a day 8/N/1 14.4k-300 baud
: >
A recent post, unfornately copied to /dev/null, on the contest reflector
from OH2BH says not so. There were some 'operators' rounded up, by from
Martti's description, they sound more like freebanders. He was at local
stations and there were plenty of real hams around.
Jim, WA6SDM
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Date: 1 Mar 1994 19:45:00 GMT
From: ihnp4.ucsd.edu!agate!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!swrinde!sgiblab!sgigate.sgi.com!gazette.esd.sgi.com!mechcad3.esd.sgi.com!glusk@network.ucsd.edu
Subject: For Sale: W9GR DSP (assembled)
To: info-hams@ucsd.edu
For Sale: W9GR DSP kit with multi-program chip
fully assembled and tested
installed in metal enclosure
includes 12V DC wall transformer
Asking $75 shipped anywhere in US
--
Mark Glusker, glusk@esd.sgi.com
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Date: Thu, 3 Mar 1994 16:39:57 GMT
From: news.acns.nwu.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!gatech!udel!news.sprintlink.net!direct!jmoore@network.ucsd.edu
Subject: Ham Radio and More - Stations and Info Number
To: info-hams@ucsd.edu
Ham Radio and More is a weekly radio show devoted to amateur radio and related topics such as
scanners. It is aired live from 1800EST to 1900EST every Sunday. The show is available
to any station which agrees to carry the national ads. If you are interested in hearing the
show and a local station is not on the list below, we suggest you call your station and give them
the information phone number for Ham Radio and More: 602-241-1510 (KFNN, Phoenix). The show is also
available on satellite on Spacenet 3, Transponder 9, 6.8MHz Audio. However, in order to keep
the sponsors happy, and america's only national amateur radio talk show on the air, we need
affiliate AM stations to carry the show.
The current list of stations is:
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Phoenix, AZ
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Date: Mon, 28 Feb 1994 23:10:44 GMT
From: ihnp4.ucsd.edu!swrinde!sgiblab!wetware!spunky.RedBrick.COM!psinntp!psinntp!arrl.org!ehare@network.ucsd.edu
Subject: Have a say about ARRL policy
To: info-hams@ucsd.edu
Subject: ARRL HQ email list
Summary: How to contact ARRL HQ (repost with fixed news feed)
Organization: American Radio Relay League
The following ARRL HQ staffers AND ONLY THESE STAFFERS can be
contacted directly via the net at the addresses shown. I've also
included a brief mention, where appropriate, of some of the specific
duties of the staff member so that you'll know who to contact.
Staff member, call, title address
------------------------------------------- ---------------
Al Brogdon, K3KMO, QST Managing Editor abrogdon@arrl.org
Brian Battles, WS1O, Features Editor bbattles@arrl.org
(Strays, New Products, Feature articles)
Jon Bloom, KE3Z, Senior Engineer (arrl.org jbloom@arrl.org
postmaster, QEX editor)
Bob Boucher, Purchasing Manager rboucher@arrl.org
Pete Budnik, KB1HY, Educational Assistant pbudnik@arrl.org
James Cain, K1TN, QST Senior Editor jcain@arrl.org
Joe Carcia, NJ1Q, Outgoing QSL Bureau jcarcia@arrl.org
Mary Carcia, N7IAL, Administrative mcarcia@arrl.org
Assistant to the Chief Financial Officer
(ARRL Foundation; scholarships;
endowments, bequests and donations)
Lisa Delude, Administrative Assistant to ldelude@arrl.org
the Executive Vice President
Bridget DiCosimo, Technical Department bdicosim@arrl.org
Secretary (article reprints; orbit
calendars; PCB templates etc.)
Kathy Fay, Deputy Circulation Manager kfay@arrl.org
Steve Ford, WB8IMY, Assistant Technical sford@arrl.org
Editor (Operating Manual; packet and
satellite books; QST satellite and "Lab
Notes" columns)
Mike Gruber, WA1SVF, Laboratory Engineer mgruber@arrl.org
(product testing)
Ed Hare, KA1CV, Laboratory Supervisor (RFI; ehare@arrl.org
product testing)
John Hennessee, KJ4KB, Regulatory jhenness@arrl.org
Information Specialist (Regulatory
questions, "Washington Mailbox" column,
FCC Rule Book)
Tom Hogerty, KC1J, Special Projects Manager thogerty@arrl.org
Luck Hurder, KY1T, Field Services Dept. lhurder@arrl.org
Deputy Manager (Clubs; Field
Organization; ARRL telephone BBS)
Chuck Hutchinson, K8CH, Membership chutch@arrl.org
Services Manager (Contests; awards;
DXCC etc.)
Bob Inderbitzen, NQ1R, Assistant to the rinderbi@arrl.org
Manager, Educational Activities
Bart Jahnke, KB9NM, Volunteer Examiner bjahnke@arrl.org
Department Manager (Exams, VE
coordination, etc.)
Debra Jahnke, Circulation Manager djahnke@arrl.org
Jim Kearman, KR1S, Assistant Technical jkearman@arrl.org
Editor (books)
Bill Kennamer, K5FUV, DXCC Manager bkennamer@arrl.org
Joel Kleinman, N1BKE, Associate Technical jkleinma@arrl.org
Editor (in charge of editing technical
books)
Kirk Kleinschmidt, NT0Z, QST Assistant kkleinsc@arrl.org
Managing Editor
Lisa Kustosik, Administrative Assistant, lkustosi@arrl.org
Regulatory Information Branch
Greg Kwasowski, Building Manager gkwasows@arrl.org
Zack Lau, KH6CP, Laboratory Engineer zlau@arrl.org
(RF/microwave circuit design, QRP)
Billy Lunt, KR1R, Contest Manager blunt@arrl.org
Steve Mansfield, N1MZA, Public Relations smansfie@arrl.org
Manager (news stories, etc.)
Tony Mascaro, Comptroller amascaro@arrl.org
Jay Mabey, NU0X, Repeater Directory Editor jmabey@arrl.org
John Nelson, W1GNC, Planning and Financial jnelson@arrl.org
Analysis Manager
Dave Newkirk, WJ1Z, QST Senior Assistant dnewkirk@arrl.org
Technical Editor (Hints & Kinks)
Paul Pagel, N1FB, QST Associate Technical ppagel@arrl.org
Editor (in charge of QST technical
editing, Technical Correspondence)
Rick Palm, K1CE, Field Services Manager rpalm@arrl.org
(Field Organization matters)
Deane Potter, Information Services Manager dpotter@arrl.org
Bob Schetgen, KU7G, Assistant Technical rschetge@arrl.org
Editor (ARRL Handbook)
Kevin Sheheen, Information Services ksheheen@arrl.org
Barry Shelley, Chief Financial Officer bshelley@arrl.org
Dean Straw, N6BV, Senior Assistant rdstraw@arrl.org
Technical Editor
Dave Sumner, K1ZZ, Executive Vice President dsumner@arrl.org
(policy matters, HQ administration)
Glenn Swanson, KB1GW, Assistant to the gswanson@arrl.org
Manager, ARRL VEC
Brad Thomas, KC1EX, Advertising Manager bthomas@arrl.org
Michael Tracy, KC1SX, Technical Information mtracy@arrl.org
Services Coordinator
Lori (Maty) Weinberg, Assistant to the lweinber@arrl.org
Publications Manager (QEX editorial
assistant)
Rosalie White, WA1STO, Educational rwhite@arrl.org
Activities Department Manager (info on
becoming a ham/training/SAREX)
Perry Williams, W1UED, Washington Area 2242662@mcimail.com
Coordinator (National Legislation and
Regulatory Affairs)
Mark Wilson, AA2Z, QST Editor mwilson@arrl.org
Larry Wolfgang, WR1B, Senior Assistant lwolfgan@arrl.org
Technical Editor (Beginner's books,
license manuals)
Tammy-Beth Zimmerman, KA1WWP, Membership tzimmer@arrl.org
Services Administrative Assistant (DXCC,
awards, QSL buro)
In addition to these specific people, we've also set up the following
accounts:
Automated Information Service (information info@arrl.org
files on Amateur Radio)
Education Activities Department ead@arrl.org
Technical Information Service (Technical tis@arrl.org
questions)
DXCC Desk dxcc@arrl.org
Awards (WAS, etc.) awards@arrl.org
Contests contests@arrl.org
Outgoing QSL Bureau buro@arrl.org
QEX Magazine qex@arrl.org
W1AW 76067.3724@compuserve.com
Other questions and messages to other specific HQ staff members should
continue to be addressed to "2155052@mcimail.com" which will result in
their receipt in the "front office" here at ARRL HQ. You should
include your postal address (the slow kind) in case we need to send
you nonelectronic material in answer to your request.
Other useful addresses:
Tom Frenaye, K1KI, Vice President 2349723@mcimail.com
Frank Butler, W4RH, Southeastern Division 3113659@mcimail.com
Director
Stan Horzepa, WA1LOU, QST (Packet horzepa@evax.gdc.com
Perspective) columnist
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Jon Bloom, KE3Z | jbloom@arrl.org
American Radio Relay League | Justice is being allowed to do whatever
225 Main St. | I like. Injustice is whatever prevents
Newington, CT 06111 | my doing so. -- Samuel Johnson
--
-----
Ed Hare, KA1CV ehare@arrl.org
American Radio Relay League
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Date: 2 Mar 1994 19:22:57 -0500
From: ihnp4.ucsd.edu!library.ucla.edu!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!news.umbc.edu!eff!news.kei.com!ddsw1!panix!panix.com!dc@network.ucsd.edu
Subject: Madison to Kalamazoo info...
To: info-hams@ucsd.edu
In article <2l33hc$517@spool.cs.wisc.edu> jason@yar.cs.wisc.edu (Jason Hanson) writes:
I plan on travelling from Madison Wisconsin to Kalamazoo Michigan in a couple
of weeks. My route is going to be I-90 to Chicago (via Rockford), and then
I-94 to Kalamazoo (via Gary). Any speedtraps, 2m repeater, etc. that you can
alert me to would be appreciated...
Univ. of Wisconsin | Madison, WI 53706-1294 | Ham: N9LEA (Extra)
-- jason@yar.cs.wisc.edu =*++*= n9lea@n0ary.#nocal.ca.usa.na --
I'm going the oposite way; Tucson, AZ to Madison, WI.
East to TX then turn left if it's cold.
North to MT then turn right if it has thawed.
My experience is that in winter speed enforcement is a secondary
concern. As a general rule, the urban-rural 55-65 slowdown zones
and near state lines (after entering a state) are where troopers
are concentrated.
--
David Crawford dc@panix.com crawford@Arizona.EDU
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Date: Wed, 2 Mar 1994 15:44:42 GMT
From: ihnp4.ucsd.edu!ucsnews!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!news.umbc.edu!eff!news.kei.com!ub!csn!col.hp.com!srgenprp!glenne@network.ucsd.edu
Subject: Medium range point-to-point digital links
To: info-hams@ucsd.edu
Gary Coffman (gary@ke4zv.atl.ga.us) wrote:
> In reading the articles on 10 GHz operating in the current
> QST, one wouldn't get the impression of *reliable* links
> with 50 db fade margins that work reliably 7x24 year after
> year. *That's* the kind of links a digital network must
> have.
> If you can show how to setup and *maintain* 7x24 megabaud+ links to all
> areas of the US, I'm all for it. I don't see a chance in hell of that
> happening so I'm trying to bring this discussion around to things that
> are within the realm of the *possible*. 56 kb beyond LOS links look
> possible to me, many thousands of 10 GHz megabaud+ LOS sites do not.
> It's not microwave *technology* that's the problem, it's the *sites*
> and the people to maintain them that are the problem. Amateurs don't
> have enough of either to establish a *national* microwave network, and
> little or no hope of getting them. (Local or regional megabaud+ links
> may be possible in certain areas, and I encourage that, but it just
> isn't going to happen nationwide unless we suddenly get 20 million new
> hams with optimum geographic dispersion.)
> We're dealing with a very sparse matrix here. You don't seem to understand
> that as you sit in a dense metroplex with hams on nearly every block. The
> rest of the country just isn't like that. *Most* of our links are 60-80 miles
> long, over unfavorable terrain, to sites we can *get*. Nearly *none* of them
> are LOS. We *depend* on the beyond LOS propagation available most easily at
> lower frequencies to maintain those links. (If we could muster the power to
> do microwave forward scatter, that would be different, but there just aren't
> enough surplus TWTs out there to do the job, and site managers frown on 32 ft
> dishes on their towers. We *can't* depend on inversions and ducts, they just
> aren't reliable enough.)
At least you and I agree on the need for engineered, reliable links
and that construction of a network will take a great deal of
cooperation. I've emphasized that one of the few strengths amateur networking
*may* have is "ins" and access to local sites. All these are
points I've tried to make in some of my CNC contributions.
And in case you think I'm in a densely populated, ideal terrain out here,
think again. Mountains only work for you when you can get access and have
helpers to maintain them (as you suggest). I end up spending a lot of my time
with a 3 arc-second elevation database trying to figure out how to make
a well connected network out of sparse users and large obstacles. My few
links are (too) long just as you say yours are there.
My argument with your 56kbps approach is that it simply doesn't come
close to being enough capacity. It isn't nearly adequate for the needs
of a competetive nationwide amateur network. And, in addition,depending
on non-LOS propagation while maintaining reliability is an even less
optimum use of resources.
How do you intend to support even a fraction of the "20% of hams who call
packet their primary mode" with even *mediocre* performance (never mind
something competetive with telephone line modems which would stimulate and
support growth), 50 dB fade margins etc?
You've presented some equations relative to non-quality paths, troposcatter
etc, could you show us how a system like that can provide the required
total information capacity and approximately what it might cost?
Could you present an estimation for us all of what the approximate vhf
hardware and resulting per-user capacity of a reliable nationwide
network of 3000 56 kbps full duplex nodes (your numbers) using beyond
LOS propagation might be? Please show not only margins and hardware for
an individual link but also an estimate of the spacial and frequency reuse
problem/potential.
My estimates and opinion of the above indicate that it falls orders of
magnitude short of providing service adequate to support itself in an
amateur environment. I truly hope you can show me my error(s) and that a
beyond-LOS vhf network is viable.
Glenn Elmore n6gn
ax.25 n6gn@wx3k.#nocal.ca.usa.na
amateur IP: glenn@SantaRosa.ampr.org
Internet: glenne@sr.hp.com
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Date: Tue, 1 Mar 1994 17:18:33 GMT
From: ihnp4.ucsd.edu!swrinde!gatech!asuvax!pitstop.mcd.mot.com!mcdphx!schbbs!waters.corp.mot.com.corp.mot.com!user@network.ucsd.edu
To: info-hams@ucsd.edu
References <CLtKxy.9q1@news.Hawaii.Edu>, <rcrw90-280294094834@waters.corp.mot.com.corp.mot.com>, <CLystu.72n@news.Hawaii.Edu>
Subject : Re: RAMSEY FX TRANSCEIVER
In article <CLystu.72n@news.Hawaii.Edu>, jherman@uhunix3.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu
(Jeff Herman) wrote:
> The OTs used to be able to carry on a QSO and a verbal conversation
> simultaneously!
I could do that once too, but not at 30 wpm :-)
I said:
> >Strange that the SITOR and FAX stuff seems to be busy passing traffic all
> >the time even if you can only hear one side of it.
>
> Dunno. Those are new modes to me...
New to me too - thats why I am spending time on them :-)
> I'll deny I ever said this but I will grant you that other modes will
> eventually take over CW (oh my God - I don't believe I admitted that)
I share your regret, CW is still a *lot* of fun. However the reality is
that the world is going the other way...
BTW did you see the article about spark/arc transmitters in this month's
QST? Not *that* would be fun to play with!
> - what will it take? As long as the shore stations keep monitoring the
> CW frequencies some ships will keep using that mode. So the decision rests
> entirely in the lap of the shore stations.
Not quite, I suspect it is essentially economics. Like the Japanese
proposal for totally unmanned ships programmed to go from sea bouy to sea
bouy! I hope I never see that, but if it saves a buck ...
--
Phooey on it all - I'm going sailing for a year or two!!!
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Date: Wed, 2 Mar 1994 23:27:35 GMT
From: ihnp4.ucsd.edu!mvb.saic.com!news.cerf.net!usc!howland.reston.ans.net!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!library.ucla.edu!news.ucdavis.edu!chip.ucdavis.edu!ez006683@network.ucsd.edu
To: info-hams@ucsd.edu
References <ah301-010394145634@sy_j.pgh.wec.com>, <1994Mar2.070107.25919@ke4zv.atl.ga.us>, <1994Mar2.144907.26098@bongo.tele.com>d
Subject : Re: JARGON
Julian Macassey (julian@bongo.tele.com) wrote:
: Wheras real mortals will say: "Blew a fuse this morning". A
: true ham will spin it out with a desciption of what equipment was
: drawing current at the time, who was effected, the duration of the
: outage and the total milage driven to buy a new fuse. A skilled ham
: communicator can spin a simple event out so that the description of it
: takes three times longer than the duration of the actual event.
Nah,
A real Ham(tm) would have ten of the required fuses on hand but would
still manage to use teh wrong value the first three times. He (or she)
would then explain when and where they bought the fuse ten years ago.
The worst part is that many other Real Hams(tm) will actually be
interested and probably pump the first ham for more information. :-)
cheers,
Dan
--
*---------------------------------------------------------------------*
* Daniel D. Todd Packet: KC6UUD@KE6LW.#nocal.ca.usa *
* Internet: ddtodd@ucdavis.edu *
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