Date: Fri, 21 Jan 94 15:12:44 PST From: Info-Hams Mailing List and Newsgroup <info-hams@ucsd.edu> Errors-To: Info-Hams-Errors@UCSD.Edu Reply-To: Info-Hams@UCSD.Edu Precedence: Bulk Subject: Info-Hams Digest V94 #62 To: Info-Hams Info-Hams Digest Fri, 21 Jan 94 Volume 94 : Issue 62 Today's Topics: Best logging program? CT (was: Contest Logger) DSP Audio Filters Fs in callbook Gin Pole Dealers??? Help wanted: Assembler TSR ORBS$021.MICRO.AMSAT ORBS$021.MISC.AMSAT ORBS$021.OSCAR.AMSAT ORBS$021.WEATH.AMSAT Ramsey FX Transceivers Send Replies or notes for publication to: <Info-Hams@UCSD.Edu> Send subscription requests to: <Info-Hams-REQUEST@UCSD.Edu> Problems you can't solve otherwise to brian@ucsd.edu. Archives of past issues of the Info-Hams Digest are available (by FTP only) from UCSD.Edu in directory "mailarchives/info-hams". We trust that readers are intelligent enough to realize that all text herein consists of personal comments and does not represent the official policies or positions of any party. Your mileage may vary. So there. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 20 Jan 1994 20:49:34 GMT From: library.ucla.edu!csulb.edu!paris.ics.uci.edu!news.claremont.edu!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!noc.near.net!jericho.mc.com!fugu!levine@network.ucsd.edu Subject: Best logging program? To: info-hams@ucsd.edu Check out the new Log Windows in the new AEA catalog that came out this week. --- ------------------------------------------------------------ || // ||\\ //|| //\\ //\\ || // || \\ // || // // ||// || \\ || // // ||\\ || || || \\ === \\ === || \\ || // || \\ // \\ // || \\ || // || \\// \\// ---------------------------------------------------------FTAC Bob Levine KD1GG 7J1AIS VK2GYN formerly KA1JFP levine@mc.com <--Internet email Phone(508) 256-1300 x247 kd1gg@wa1phy.ma <--Packet Mail FAX(508) 256-3599 ------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: 21 Jan 94 22:24:47 GMT From: news-mail-gateway@ucsd.edu Subject: CT (was: Contest Logger) To: info-hams@ucsd.edu Angelo_Glorioso_Iii@agwbbs.new-orleans.LA.US (Angelo Glorioso Iii) recently asked: > I am looking for a Contest logger that will support ARRL format for >electronic filing for ARRL RTTY ROUND-UP contest. If you know of one, >please let me know where I can ftp it?? To which someone (unsigned posting) replied: >I'm told the standard by which all others are judged is CT by Ken >Wolff, K1EA, at 221 Old Littleton Road, Harvard, MA 01451. I don't >know if it's available for download anywhere, but I'm sure you could >contact Mr. Wolff directly. There is an ancient version of CT out there for free, but CT is now a commercial product. You've got the author correct, but the latest information for ordering or inquiries is K1EA Software 5 Mt. Royal Ave Marlborough, MA 01752 508 779-5054 There is also a CT bbs which will give you the latest updates, ordering information, etc. The bbs number is 508 460-8877. The bbs won't do you much good other than finding out how to order, price, etc. unless you are a registered user of CT. Of course, I have no affiliation with K1EA Software, Harvard Radio, Inc., K1EA, etc. I just thought that people would like to know where to find out more about CT... 73, Scott WO1G ============== Scott Sminkey email: sasminkey@eng.xyplex.com Software Sustaining Engineering voice: 508 952-4792 Xyplex, Inc. fax: 508 952-4887 295 Foster St. (Opinions, comments, etc. are mine, Littleton, MA 01460 not Xyplex's...) ------------------------------ Date: 21 Jan 94 21:38:09 GMT From: news-mail-gateway@ucsd.edu Subject: DSP Audio Filters To: info-hams@ucsd.edu I have an IC-765 with the 250Hz optional CW filters. I use a Timewave DSP-59 with it, although I modified the radio so that the DSP is ONLY in the detector audio branch (not in the monitor audio---I didn't like what it did to my sidetone!). I find that it's extremely effective filtering the background noise on the higher bands, less so on 160/80/40 (the noise characteristics are very different on the low bands). I find that 99.9% of the time I just keep the DSP in line, in the noise reduction position (I'm 99.9% CW). It's really nice to use it on SSB to eliminate carriers, assuming the carrier isn't louder than the DX I'm trying to hear. The white noise reduction mode works very well, reduces fatigue, and actually helps pull some weak signals through the background noise. I don't use the super-narrowband CW filters very often. They don't give any significant improvement over the 250Hz crystal filters in the rig's IF (and the IF filters ring less). The notch filter in the rig is also preferable for heterodynes because the IF won't pump as it does with the DSP. All in all, I think the DSP-59 is worth the investment, especially if you modify your radio so that it only DSPs the detected audio. 73 Mike N6MZ mikemr@microsoft.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Jan 1994 14:38:08 GMT From: ucsnews!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!sdd.hp.com!hpscit.sc.hp.com!hplextra!hpfcso!hplvec!bagdy@network.ucsd.edu Subject: Fs in callbook To: info-hams@ucsd.edu According to "10-10 International News", January 1994, pg. 24: FD1xxx and FE1xxx have CHANGED TO: F5xxx Regards, Mark Bagdy bagdy@hpmtaa.lvld.hp.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Jan 1994 03:31:01 GMT From: swrinde!gatech!wa4mei.ping.com!ke4zv!gary@network.ucsd.edu Subject: Gin Pole Dealers??? To: info-hams@ucsd.edu In article <CJuFuq.14wz@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU> galen@picea.CFNR.ColoState.EDU (Galen Watts) writes: >Anybody know who sells gin poles and related hardware? I'm looking for >all the parts except the pipe, since I have some aluminum pipe and don't >want to pay trucking for something so light. >Antenna season approaches.... Well of course Rohn sells gin poles and hardware. They're rather proud of them, however, got to pay that liability insurance. I bought a kit from a fellow in the flea market at Dayton last year. Good sturdy construction, but not quite as slickly engineered as Rohn's product. Only cost $49 though, I couldn't build one myself that I'd trust for less. It's your life of course, but Rohn makes the best. Unless you have access to magnaflux equipment, which I do, I'd be somewhat leery of using the product of some garage shop. Fall on your head it might. Gary -- Gary Coffman KE4ZV | You make it, | gatech!wa4mei!ke4zv!gary Destructive Testing Systems | we break it. | uunet!rsiatl!ke4zv!gary 534 Shannon Way | Guaranteed! | emory!kd4nc!ke4zv!gary Lawrenceville, GA 30244 | | ------------------------------ Date: 21 Jan 94 21:13:01 GMT From: news-mail-gateway@ucsd.edu Subject: Help wanted: Assembler TSR To: info-hams@ucsd.edu I would like to hire someone to write a very small TSR in Assembler. If you have experience with these and would like to earn $100 for a couple of hour's work, please contact me. MRO ************************************************************************ Michael R. Owen, Ph.D. a.k.a.: W9IP Department of Geology Northern Lights Software St. Lawrence University Star Route, Box 60 Canton, NY 13617 Canton, NY 13617 (315) 379-5975 - voice - (315) 379-0161 (6-9pm) e-mail: MOWE@SLUMUS FAX - (315) 379-5804 ************************************************************************ ------------------------------ Date: 21 Jan 94 13:59:00 GMT From: news-mail-gateway@ucsd.edu Subject: ORBS$021.MICRO.AMSAT To: info-hams@ucsd.edu SB KEPS @ AMSAT $ORBS-021.D Orbital Elements 021.MICROS HR AMSAT ORBITAL ELEMENTS FOR THE MICROSATS FROM WA5QGD FORT WORTH,TX January 21, 1994 BID: $ORBS-021.D TO ALL RADIO AMATEURS BT Satellite: UO-14 Catalog number: 20437 Epoch time: 94019.24162783 Element set: 957 Inclination: 98.6014 deg RA of node: 105.9995 deg Eccentricity: 0.0010476 Arg of perigee: 271.0915 deg Mean anomaly: 88.9061 deg Mean motion: 14.29817627 rev/day Decay rate: 4.8e-07 rev/day^2 Epoch rev: 20830 Checksum: 322 Satellite: AO-16 Catalog number: 20439 Epoch time: 94019.23294962 Element set: 758 Inclination: 98.6092 deg RA of node: 107.0729 deg Eccentricity: 0.0010727 Arg of perigee: 271.4260 deg Mean anomaly: 88.5694 deg Mean motion: 14.29873575 rev/day Decay rate: 4.3e-07 rev/day^2 Epoch rev: 20831 Checksum: 327 Satellite: DO-17 Catalog number: 20440 Epoch time: 94018.78193383 Element set: 757 Inclination: 98.6093 deg RA of node: 106.8996 deg Eccentricity: 0.0010796 Arg of perigee: 272.2002 deg Mean anomaly: 87.7944 deg Mean motion: 14.30011640 rev/day Decay rate: 5.5e-07 rev/day^2 Epoch rev: 20826 Checksum: 311 Satellite: WO-18 Catalog number: 20441 Epoch time: 94019.24446275 Element set: 758 Inclination: 98.6091 deg RA of node: 107.3686 deg Eccentricity: 0.0011348 Arg of perigee: 270.7621 deg Mean anomaly: 89.2257 deg Mean motion: 14.29988067 rev/day Decay rate: 3.2e-07 rev/day^2 Epoch rev: 20833 Checksum: 322 Satellite: LO-19 Catalog number: 20442 Epoch time: 94019.23252273 Element set: 757 Inclination: 98.6097 deg RA of node: 107.5781 deg Eccentricity: 0.0011714 Arg of perigee: 270.9464 deg Mean anomaly: 89.0376 deg Mean motion: 14.30081798 rev/day Decay rate: 4.8e-07 rev/day^2 Epoch rev: 20834 Checksum: 318 Satellite: UO-22 Catalog number: 21575 Epoch time: 94018.70071175 Element set: 458 Inclination: 98.4490 deg RA of node: 96.1200 deg Eccentricity: 0.0008373 Arg of perigee: 21.0530 deg Mean anomaly: 339.1000 deg Mean motion: 14.36883323 rev/day Decay rate: 1.04e-06 rev/day^2 Epoch rev: 13161 Checksum: 259 Satellite: KO-23 Catalog number: 22077 Epoch time: 94015.07021241 Element set: 352 Inclination: 66.0872 deg RA of node: 240.5682 deg Eccentricity: 0.0008534 Arg of perigee: 325.9559 deg Mean anomaly: 34.0911 deg Mean motion: 12.86283203 rev/day Decay rate: -3.7e-07 rev/day^2 Epoch rev: 6709 Checksum: 280 Satellite: AO-27 Catalog number: 22825 Epoch time: 94015.23688085 Element set: 254 Inclination: 98.6695 deg RA of node: 92.4839 deg Eccentricity: 0.0008356 Arg of perigee: 301.9653 deg Mean anomaly: 58.0715 deg Mean motion: 14.27601623 rev/day Decay rate: 3.6e-07 rev/day^2 Epoch rev: 1586 Checksum: 323 Satellite: IO-26 Catalog number: 22826 Epoch time: 94015.22892069 Element set: 255 Inclination: 98.6706 deg RA of node: 92.4916 deg Eccentricity: 0.0008734 Arg of perigee: 301.5136 deg Mean anomaly: 58.5191 deg Mean motion: 14.27703814 rev/day Decay rate: 3.8e-07 rev/day^2 Epoch rev: 1586 Checksum: 313 Satellite: KO-25 Catalog number: 22830 Epoch time: 94014.64339549 Element set: 256 Inclination: 98.5722 deg RA of node: 90.7900 deg Eccentricity: 0.0010843 Arg of perigee: 268.6528 deg Mean anomaly: 91.3411 deg Mean motion: 14.28027124 rev/day Decay rate: 1.0e-08 rev/day^2 Epoch rev: 1578 Checksum: 291 /EX ------------------------------ Date: 21 Jan 94 14:04:00 GMT From: news-mail-gateway@ucsd.edu Subject: ORBS$021.MISC.AMSAT To: info-hams@ucsd.edu SB KEPS @ AMSAT $ORBS-021.M Orbital Elements 021.MISC HR AMSAT ORBITAL ELEMENTS FOR MANNED AND MISCELLANEOUS SATELLITES FROM WA5QGD FORT WORTH,TX January 21, 1994 BID: $ORBS-021.M TO ALL RADIO AMATEURS BT Satellite: MIR Catalog number: 16609 Epoch time: 94017.58944630 Element set: 99 Inclination: 51.6174 deg RA of node: 222.2409 deg Eccentricity: 0.0004684 Arg of perigee: 210.2206 deg Mean anomaly: 149.8392 deg Mean motion: 15.59692386 rev/day Decay rate: 9.870e-05 rev/day^2 Epoch rev: 45255 Checksum: 323 Satellite: HUBBLE Catalog number: 20580 Epoch time: 94019.23512510 Element set: 429 Inclination: 28.4680 deg RA of node: 112.6612 deg Eccentricity: 0.0005975 Arg of perigee: 331.6281 deg Mean anomaly: 28.3980 deg Mean motion: 14.90430063 rev/day Decay rate: 8.38e-06 rev/day^2 Epoch rev: 714 Checksum: 269 Satellite: GRO Catalog number: 21225 Epoch time: 94017.58973420 Element set: 56 Inclination: 28.4617 deg RA of node: 196.8700 deg Eccentricity: 0.0003735 Arg of perigee: 311.7439 deg Mean anomaly: 48.2817 deg Mean motion: 15.39842307 rev/day Decay rate: 3.648e-05 rev/day^2 Epoch rev: 3369 Checksum: 309 Satellite: UARS Catalog number: 21701 Epoch time: 94018.13837617 Element set: 464 Inclination: 56.9833 deg RA of node: 40.3077 deg Eccentricity: 0.0005136 Arg of perigee: 99.2913 deg Mean anomaly: 260.8424 deg Mean motion: 14.96334028 rev/day Decay rate: -1.27e-06 rev/day^2 Epoch rev: 12847 Checksum: 294 Satellite: POSAT Catalog number: 22829 Epoch time: 94015.20627603 Element set: 247 Inclination: 98.6671 deg RA of node: 92.4771 deg Eccentricity: 0.0009664 Arg of perigee: 287.5870 deg Mean anomaly: 72.4206 deg Mean motion: 14.27996968 rev/day Decay rate: 4.5e-07 rev/day^2 Epoch rev: 1586 Checksum: 331 /EX ------------------------------ Date: 21 Jan 94 13:56:00 GMT From: news-mail-gateway@ucsd.edu Subject: ORBS$021.OSCAR.AMSAT To: info-hams@ucsd.edu SB KEPS @ AMSAT $ORBS-021.O Orbital Elements 021.OSCAR HR AMSAT ORBITAL ELEMENTS FOR OSCAR SATELLITES FROM WA5QGD FORT WORTH,TX January 21, 1994 BID: $ORBS-021.O TO ALL RADIO AMATEURS BT Satellite: AO-10 Catalog number: 14129 Epoch time: 94012.88782746 Element set: 252 Inclination: 27.1999 deg RA of node: 346.8463 deg Eccentricity: 0.6020165 Arg of perigee: 145.8302 deg Mean anomaly: 274.3239 deg Mean motion: 2.05879874 rev/day Decay rate: -3.37e-06 rev/day^2 Epoch rev: 7958 Checksum: 340 Satellite: UO-11 Catalog number: 14781 Epoch time: 94018.53148342 Element set: 658 Inclination: 97.7944 deg RA of node: 40.2143 deg Eccentricity: 0.0012903 Arg of perigee: 32.0480 deg Mean anomaly: 328.1509 deg Mean motion: 14.69124335 rev/day Decay rate: 2.35e-06 rev/day^2 Epoch rev: 52833 Checksum: 287 Satellite: RS-10/11 Catalog number: 18129 Epoch time: 94016.19941791 Element set: 854 Inclination: 82.9244 deg RA of node: 81.1944 deg Eccentricity: 0.0013211 Arg of perigee: 85.2443 deg Mean anomaly: 275.0217 deg Mean motion: 13.72329684 rev/day Decay rate: 4.6e-07 rev/day^2 Epoch rev: 32906 Checksum: 302 Satellite: AO-13 Catalog number: 19216 Epoch time: 94013.76090682 Element set: 865 Inclination: 57.8727 deg RA of node: 273.6690 deg Eccentricity: 0.7205576 Arg of perigee: 332.7751 deg Mean anomaly: 3.3757 deg Mean motion: 2.09726934 rev/day Decay rate: -5.86e-06 rev/day^2 Epoch rev: 4277 Checksum: 343 Satellite: FO-20 Catalog number: 20480 Epoch time: 94018.51659842 Element set: 652 Inclination: 99.0147 deg RA of node: 198.7340 deg Eccentricity: 0.0540754 Arg of perigee: 318.6667 deg Mean anomaly: 37.4685 deg Mean motion: 12.83223815 rev/day Decay rate: 1.00e-06 rev/day^2 Epoch rev: 18493 Checksum: 319 Satellite: AO-21 Catalog number: 21087 Epoch time: 94019.17209926 Element set: 417 Inclination: 82.9424 deg RA of node: 252.9794 deg Eccentricity: 0.0035743 Arg of perigee: 137.1749 deg Mean anomaly: 223.2201 deg Mean motion: 13.74532086 rev/day Decay rate: 9.4e-07 rev/day^2 Epoch rev: 14911 Checksum: 304 Satellite: RS-12/13 Catalog number: 21089 Epoch time: 94018.81286753 Element set: 656 Inclination: 82.9239 deg RA of node: 122.2331 deg Eccentricity: 0.0029532 Arg of perigee: 161.6651 deg Mean anomaly: 198.5573 deg Mean motion: 13.74033348 rev/day Decay rate: 3.7e-07 rev/day^2 Epoch rev: 14813 Checksum: 312 /EX ------------------------------ Date: 21 Jan 94 14:02:00 GMT From: news-mail-gateway@ucsd.edu Subject: ORBS$021.WEATH.AMSAT To: info-hams@ucsd.edu SB KEPS @ AMSAT $ORBS-021.W Orbital Elements 021.WEATHER HR AMSAT ORBITAL ELEMENTS FOR WEATHER SATELLITES FROM WA5QGD FORT WORTH,TX January 21, 1994 BID: $ORBS-021.W TO ALL RADIO AMATEURS BT Satellite: NOAA-9 Catalog number: 15427 Epoch time: 94014.01154683 Element set: 677 Inclination: 99.0744 deg RA of node: 62.5335 deg Eccentricity: 0.0014570 Arg of perigee: 297.2963 deg Mean anomaly: 62.6724 deg Mean motion: 14.13579715 rev/day Decay rate: 1.35e-06 rev/day^2 Epoch rev: 46856 Checksum: 324 Satellite: NOAA-10 Catalog number: 16969 Epoch time: 94013.95089539 Element set: 576 Inclination: 98.5115 deg RA of node: 27.6470 deg Eccentricity: 0.0014289 Arg of perigee: 60.6937 deg Mean anomaly: 299.5669 deg Mean motion: 14.24857313 rev/day Decay rate: 8.5e-07 rev/day^2 Epoch rev: 38064 Checksum: 354 Satellite: MET-2/17 Catalog number: 18820 Epoch time: 94019.09840418 Element set: 255 Inclination: 82.5397 deg RA of node: 27.1822 deg Eccentricity: 0.0015166 Arg of perigee: 239.2617 deg Mean anomaly: 120.7049 deg Mean motion: 13.84704972 rev/day Decay rate: 4.1e-07 rev/day^2 Epoch rev: 30172 Checksum: 300 Satellite: MET-3/2 Catalog number: 19336 Epoch time: 94018.57372231 Element set: 257 Inclination: 82.5389 deg RA of node: 69.5600 deg Eccentricity: 0.0015877 Arg of perigee: 278.6887 deg Mean anomaly: 81.2437 deg Mean motion: 13.16963263 rev/day Decay rate: 5.1e-07 rev/day^2 Epoch rev: 26356 Checksum: 332 Satellite: NOAA-11 Catalog number: 19531 Epoch time: 94013.91338651 Element set: 478 Inclination: 99.1575 deg RA of node: 359.1629 deg Eccentricity: 0.0011211 Arg of perigee: 204.5750 deg Mean anomaly: 155.4889 deg Mean motion: 14.12949930 rev/day Decay rate: 1.26e-06 rev/day^2 Epoch rev: 27343 Checksum: 313 Satellite: MET-2/18 Catalog number: 19851 Epoch time: 94019.18866258 Element set: 256 Inclination: 82.5226 deg RA of node: 262.7081 deg Eccentricity: 0.0013229 Arg of perigee: 289.3306 deg Mean anomaly: 70.6423 deg Mean motion: 13.84355686 rev/day Decay rate: 6.9e-07 rev/day^2 Epoch rev: 24707 Checksum: 331 Satellite: MET-3/3 Catalog number: 20305 Epoch time: 94017.89422067 Element set: 971 Inclination: 82.5495 deg RA of node: 13.8911 deg Eccentricity: 0.0005906 Arg of perigee: 311.7262 deg Mean anomaly: 48.3353 deg Mean motion: 13.04401542 rev/day Decay rate: 4.4e-07 rev/day^2 Epoch rev: 20330 Checksum: 267 Satellite: MET-2/19 Catalog number: 20670 Epoch time: 94019.25203231 Element set: 757 Inclination: 82.5477 deg RA of node: 326.7663 deg Eccentricity: 0.0014849 Arg of perigee: 201.4548 deg Mean anomaly: 158.5995 deg Mean motion: 13.84186662 rev/day Decay rate: 2.4e-07 rev/day^2 Epoch rev: 18001 Checksum: 317 Satellite: FY-1/2 Catalog number: 20788 Epoch time: 94016.17645587 Element set: 873 Inclination: 98.8459 deg RA of node: 41.1276 deg Eccentricity: 0.0015374 Arg of perigee: 75.7420 deg Mean anomaly: 284.3802 deg Mean motion: 14.01335636 rev/day Decay rate: -2.7e-07 rev/day^2 Epoch rev: 17241 Checksum: 313 Satellite: MET-2/20 Catalog number: 20826 Epoch time: 94019.19169044 Element set: 756 Inclination: 82.5267 deg RA of node: 264.5225 deg Eccentricity: 0.0014575 Arg of perigee: 102.3761 deg Mean anomaly: 257.9031 deg Mean motion: 13.83571054 rev/day Decay rate: 9.4e-07 rev/day^2 Epoch rev: 16715 Checksum: 303 Satellite: MET-3/4 Catalog number: 21232 Epoch time: 94016.77549633 Element set: 664 Inclination: 82.5405 deg RA of node: 276.6395 deg Eccentricity: 0.0012441 Arg of perigee: 202.6707 deg Mean anomaly: 157.3867 deg Mean motion: 13.16458614 rev/day Decay rate: 5.0e-07 rev/day^2 Epoch rev: 13143 Checksum: 299 Satellite: NOAA-12 Catalog number: 21263 Epoch time: 94015.96922581 Element set: 886 Inclination: 98.6363 deg RA of node: 46.9897 deg Eccentricity: 0.0012686 Arg of perigee: 321.9099 deg Mean anomaly: 38.1181 deg Mean motion: 14.22357548 rev/day Decay rate: 1.57e-06 rev/day^2 Epoch rev: 13889 Checksum: 349 Satellite: MET-3/5 Catalog number: 21655 Epoch time: 94018.52836753 Element set: 660 Inclination: 82.5520 deg RA of node: 222.4234 deg Eccentricity: 0.0012361 Arg of perigee: 209.0115 deg Mean anomaly: 151.0325 deg Mean motion: 13.16826870 rev/day Decay rate: 5.1e-07 rev/day^2 Epoch rev: 11676 Checksum: 269 Satellite: MET-2/21 Catalog number: 22782 Epoch time: 94018.89845223 Element set: 256 Inclination: 82.5520 deg RA of node: 324.7383 deg Eccentricity: 0.0021299 Arg of perigee: 286.9901 deg Mean anomaly: 72.8924 deg Mean motion: 13.82996980 rev/day Decay rate: 3.9e-07 rev/day^2 Epoch rev: 1945 Checksum: 341 /EX ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Jan 1994 03:03:36 GMT From: swrinde!gatech!wa4mei.ping.com!ke4zv!gary@network.ucsd.edu Subject: Ramsey FX Transceivers To: info-hams@ucsd.edu In article <CJu4CH.yuI@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU> galen@picea.CFNR.ColoState.EDU (Galen Watts) writes: >In article <940118080104_2@ccm.hf.intel.com> Cecil_A_Moore@ccm.hf.INTel.COM (Cecil A Moore) writes: >>> That's all well and fine, but do you honestly believe that consumers >>>have an obligation to do the product engineering that the manufacturer >>>should have done in the first place? >>>Rich Mulvey Amateur Radio: N2VDS Rochester, NY >> >>As a matter of fact, I do. I went through the exact same thing with >>Harley Davidson during the '70s. Harley's were lousey then and now >>they are the most successful motorcycle company in the world. If >>everyone had your attitude, Harley would no longer exist. >>73, Cecil, kg7bk@indirect.com > >Didn't H-D change ownership around this time? I seem to remeber Hogs were'nt >a good buy in the 70's and early 80's but after Americans bought it back from >the Japanese parent company, quality shot thru the roof. Not Japanese, it was AMF. What a bowling pin setting machine company thought they knew about motorcycles I don't know, and apparently neither did they. >I believe kits should be engineered better than assembled gear, since there >are more variables and less quality control with kit assembling as opposed >to factory assembling and testing. > >Many people buy kits because they can't afford assembled. If they can't afford >assembled, how can they afford the test gear to get a poorly designed kit to >work? Heath idiot proofed their kits. They weren't better designed than their competition, and they certainly weren't cheaper, but they were designed to be easily built without tricky alignment or the need for special test equipment. If you want cheaper than assembled equipment, you are going to get kits that aren't perfect. Today's assembled gear costs less than a quality kit, as Heath discovered to their bankruptcy. The original Heathkits were paper bags of parts and a mimeographed sheet of instructions. In the days of simple hand wired tube factory gear, that was cheaper than assembled. But today with complex machine assembled products, a kit that's going to work as well, and is fool proof to assemble, is going to cost *more* to produce and market. People who buy kits thinking they'll save money are fooling themselves. With a quality kit you're going to pay *more* for the priviledge of doing the assembly, or you're going to get a kit that requires you to be your own test engineer, and sometimes redesign engineer. That's not bad. It forces you to learn a lot more than the "insert leads A and B in terminal 3, solder two" of Heathkit days where all you learned was how to follow directions. Think of a kit as a more convienent way to do homebrew construction. Gary -- Gary Coffman KE4ZV | You make it, | gatech!wa4mei!ke4zv!gary Destructive Testing Systems | we break it. | uunet!rsiatl!ke4zv!gary 534 Shannon Way | Guaranteed! | emory!kd4nc!ke4zv!gary Lawrenceville, GA 30244 | | ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Jan 1994 03:16:57 GMT From: swrinde!gatech!wa4mei.ping.com!ke4zv!gary@network.ucsd.edu To: info-hams@ucsd.edu References <CJFF8p.56v@spk.hp.com>, <1994Jan11.150658.25191@ke4zv.atl.ga.us>, <940118.46856.LEEVANKOTEN@delphi.com> Reply-To : gary@ke4zv.atl.ga.us (Gary Coffman) Subject : Re: BRAIN CANCER, LEUKEMIA FROM HAM RADIO In article <940118.46856.LEEVANKOTEN@delphi.com> Leland Van Koten <LEEVANKOTEN@delphi.com> writes: > >Thanks for the very informative post. Although it is impossible to say with >certainty that there is NO risk, from EMR, it is clear that if there IS a risk, >it is a very low one. When one compares the possible risk from EMR to very >clear and significant risks that we all take every day, any risk is obviously >insignificant. That's absolutely true. People need to get a grasp of proportion when it comes to evaluating risks. There's no such thing as a risk free activity or product, but ham radio is safer than skydiving, or driving a car. It's probably safer than drinking milk, certainly safer than taking asprin. This is a case similar to nuclear power. The risks of nuclear power are tiny compared to the known risks of coal fired generation, yet the latter is accepted while the former is feared. The *possibility* of an invisible threat frightens the ignorant more than the visible threat of the known. >Interestingly, a clearly documented producer of cancer in both animals and >humans is excess caloric intake, and when I look around a lot of hamfests, if >there is excess cancer in hams, that may be the reason rather than exposure to >EMR. Actually, it's dietary fat intake that's the supposed risk factor, not the calories themselves. On the other hand, Eskimos have the lowest incidence of heart disease and colon cancer of any studied group, and their diet is extremely high in fat. Go figure. >None of the power line studies of which I am aware have been >adequately controlled for such things as socio-economic status, etc., but >places such as New Jersey are apparently nevertheless rushing to impose taxes >on emitters of EMR on the theory that EMR is carcinogenic. I have even heard >predictions that EMR litigation will be the "new asbestos litigation." > >Let's hope that the news media don't feed the sense of hysteria that many >people feel when confronted by something they don't understand, and that we dt >end up spending billions of dollars dealing with a problem that may not even >exist. This is one case where the media, at least the electronic media, is going to tread very lightly. Their own ox is being gored here. Gary -- Gary Coffman KE4ZV | You make it, | gatech!wa4mei!ke4zv!gary Destructive Testing Systems | we break it. | uunet!rsiatl!ke4zv!gary 534 Shannon Way | Guaranteed! | emory!kd4nc!ke4zv!gary Lawrenceville, GA 30244 | | ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Jan 1994 18:55:33 +0000 From: ucsnews!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!eff!usenet.ins.cwru.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!dis.demon.co.uk!llondel.demon.co.uk!dave@network.ucsd.edu To: info-hams@ucsd.edu References <2hfek9$a5@orion.cc.andrews.edu>, <WOSBORNE.94Jan18080511@gauss.nmsu.edu>, <1994Jan18.201820.13828@ringer.cs.utsa.edu>de Subject : Re: Global Alert For All: Jesus is Coming Soon In article <1994Jan18.201820.13828@ringer.cs.utsa.edu> blake@lonestar.utsa.edu (M Blake Schreckenbach) writes: >I remember reading somewhere that the Lost Ark of the Covenant was really an >extraterrestrial sub-space transceiver, left behind by the same beings that >gave some of their construction and architecture expertise to the Egyptians, >Mayans, etc. > No... read the description more carefully. You will find that the Ark of the Covenant is basically a *large* capacitor (wooden box with metal inside and metal outside). Penalty for unauthorised contact was a lightning bolt, although presumably you got let off if it was raining :-) Dave -- ***************************************************************************** * G4WRW @ GB7WRW.#41.GBR.EU AX25 * Start at the beginning. Go on * * dave@llondel.demon.co.uk Internet * until the end. Then stop. * * g4wrw@g4wrw.ampr.org Amprnet * (the king to the white rabbit) * ***************************************************************************** ------------------------------ End of Info-Hams Digest V94 #62 ****************************** ******************************