Date: Fri, 24 Dec 93 15:08:19 PST
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Subject: Info-Hams Digest V93 #1506
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Info-Hams Digest Fri, 24 Dec 93 Volume 93 : Issue 1506
Today's Topics:
?Phonetic alphabet for numbers?
Cincinnati ARRL '94
France: reciprocal operating info?
heathkit support?
help me for chrimas
Is SAREX still being planned
Need help with the numbers in Morse
ORBS$358.2L.AMSAT
ORBS$358.WEATH.AMSAT
Question. TH28 or P2AT?
what was the telnet address for the ham/call database??
WHERE ARE ALL THE YOU
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Date: Fri, 24 Dec 1993 13:27:38 GMT
From: swrinde!emory!darwin.sura.net!perot.mtsu.edu!raider!theporch!jackatak!root@network.ucsd.edu
Subject: ?Phonetic alphabet for numbers?
To: info-hams@ucsd.edu
various people have chimed in:
Maybe I am totally off base, but I run almost exclusively 75-M mobile.
That means noise levels, atmospheric static crashes, and odd
propogation that require one to be alert and careful.
Knowing NONE of the circumstances, nor operating habits of the
original poster, I can, however, impute some behaviors from what I
hear on the bands...
During an attempted contact, with conditions below Q-5 copy, I
consistently hear a station give her/his callsign once phonetically
and once just plain letters and "over."
How in the hell, in marginal conditions, is it reasonable to expect
the other operator to put your call out from amongst the crud?
It is not.
Try instead, giving your call SEVERAL times, using standard and common
phonetics -- avoid the cutsey stuff *IF* you want the other station to
hear your callsign and copy it correctly.
In the case of the original poster, whose callsign was N3JLG (I think)
try:
NOVEMBER(pause)THREE(pause)JULIET LIMA GOLF(pause)
NOVEMBER(pause)THREE(pause)JAPAN LONDON GERMANY(pause)
NOVEMBER(pause)THREE(pause)JULIET LIMA GOLF(pause)OVER
Also, try other clues...like "from Pennsylvania, this is..."
and let your location, assuming you are still near your "home" call
district, help you out.
Rather than make the other station reach for you, assess the
conditions (by listening a lot more than you xmit) and try to gauge
how much phonetics and repeating the other chap will need.
When I worked Hawaii and Alaska on 75M mobile (100 watts into a tuned
vertical on the car) I got 5x5 signal reports...NOT because I was
loud, but because the conditions were rough and I made sure even a
hearing impaired person could copy my call through all the clutter on
the band.
Then again, I probably don't have a clue about what I am saying and
I've been doing it all wrong all these years! ;^)
73,
Jack, W4PPT/Mobile
(1 card shy of 75M SSB WAS from the Mobile -- Sure hope Santa goes
through Vermont on his way to Tennessee! ;^)
+--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--+
| Jack GF Hill |Voice: (615) 459-2636 - Ham Call: W4PPT |
| P. O. Box 1685 |Modem: (615) 377-5980 - Bicycling and SCUBA Diving |
| Brentwood, TN 37024|Fax: (615) 459-0038 - Life Member - ARRL |
| root@jackatak.raider.net - "Plus ca changer, plus c'est la meme chose" |
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Date: 24 Dec 1993 22:17:35 GMT
From: swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!gatech!mailer.acns.fsu.edu!freenet2.scri.fsu.edu!twright@network.ucsd.edu
Subject: Cincinnati ARRL '94
To: info-hams@ucsd.edu
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Date: 23 Dec 1993 20:29:35 GMT
From: library.ucla.edu!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!xlink.net!scsing.switch.ch!swidir.switch.ch!univ-lyon1.fr!elendir@network.ucsd.edu
Subject: France: reciprocal operating info?
To: info-hams@ucsd.edu
Laura Halliday (laurahal@microsoft.com) wrote:
: I'm preparing for a trip next year (May, probably) to the
: U.K. with a side trip to France, and am setting things in
: motion for my reciprocal licence(s). The RSGB are sending
: me the U.K. paperwork, but would anybody be able to offer
: a pointer for the French paperwork? I have the address in
: Montreux, but if I can do better I would certainly like to...
Hi !
I bet the right address would be :
Centre de Gestion des Radiocommunications
Service des Radio-Amateurs
BP 61
94371 SUCY EN BRIE CEDEX
France.
Ask them (if you want, I can propose you a French letter) about the
required papers. They deliver French licenses, so I guess they also cope
with temporary ones.
73 from France.
Vince. (3 weeks and still waiting)
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Date: Thu, 23 Dec 1993 20:53:51 GMT
From: library.ucla.edu!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!usenet.ins.cwru.edu!news.csuohio.edu!vmcms.csuohio.edu!R0264@network.ucsd.edu
Subject: heathkit support?
To: info-hams@ucsd.edu
In article <CIBHMv.8uB@fc.hp.com>
keith@fc.hp.com (John Keith) writes:
>
>Is there any source available for finding parts replacements for Heathkip
>products? Has anyone picked up customer support for old heathkits?
>
>John Keith
>keith@fc.hp.com
The ads in the back of QST show a couple of places that do Heathkit
repairs and stock some parts. I don't have them here. I contacted one
to get my HW-9 fixed, and got quite satisfactory results. The ones
I saw were in Michigan, and I think former Heathkit employees.
-------- Phil, AA8JO
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Date: 16 Dec 93 14:19:50 GMT
From: news.ans.net!howland.reston.ans.net!xlink.net!fauern!rrze.uni-erlangen.de!not-for-mail@nyu.arpa
Subject: help me for chrimas
To: info-hams@ucsd.edu
Hello out there,
I write this messages, because i need a chrismas present fort my
sister. She is collecting postcards from all countries on earth.
But now the post is getting smaller, no one wants to write her,
it is only a few words and she would be happy.
Now she is in the 10th class , so she doesn't have an internet
account.
I ask you to send my postcards to make a great present.
My address is:
Torsten Fechner
Heilikastr. 21
94034 Passau
Germany
If you be a amateur radio operator and if you have a packwet radio
station, please let me know; I will answer your postcard via PR
(don't forget to tellme your homebbs inclusive the hole header)
so long and many thanks
+------------------------------------------------------------------------------+
| Torsten Fechner Home-QTH: Passau JN69RO Studien-QTH:Erlangen JN59MN |
| Internet-email: tnfechne@cip.informatik.uni-erlangen.de |
| Amateur-Radio : DG7RO MyBBS: DB0LNA.#BAY.DEU.EU |
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Date: 23 Dec 1993 09:16:56 GMT
From: ucsnews!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!news.clark.edu!netnews.nwnet.net!news.u.washington.edu!hardy.u.washington.edu!xile@network.ucsd.edu
Subject: Is SAREX still being planned
To: info-hams@ucsd.edu
I've been out of touch with the SAREX experiments and whether or not they
are still being planned for future shuttle flights. Are more SAREX-carrying
shuttle flights being arranged, and if so, when are they due to take place?
Thanx,
R. Camama
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Date: Thu, 23 Dec 1993 19:29:12 GMT
From: library.ucla.edu!agate!headwall.Stanford.EDU!Csli!paulf@network.ucsd.edu
Subject: Need help with the numbers in Morse
To: info-hams@ucsd.edu
yee@mipg.upenn.edu (Conway Yee) writes:
>I have been practicing my code and I think I am getting pretty close to the
>necessary 13wpm. The problem is that I have a tough time with the numbers.
>I KNOW I am trying to count the dits and dahs for numbers. For letters and
>punctuation, I am in decent shape.
One suggestion: crank the speed way up, to say, around 22 wpm. The idea is
to make it such that the bits are flying so fast, that you can't possibly
count them, and you hear the "melody" of the entire character. Make up a
tape with five character number blocks, and have at it.
--
-=Paul Flaherty, N9FZX | "Fighter pilots make movies. Bomber pilots make
->paulf@Stanford.EDU | history." -- Jake Grafton
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Date: 24 Dec 93 14:54:00 GMT
From: news-mail-gateway@ucsd.edu
Subject: ORBS$358.2L.AMSAT
To: info-hams@ucsd.edu
SB KEPS @ AMSAT $ORBS-358.N
2Line Orbital Elements 358.AMSAT
HR AMSAT ORBITAL ELEMENTS FOR AMATEUR SATELLITES IN NASA FORMAT
FROM WA5QGD FORT WORTH,TX December 24, 1993
BID: $ORBS-358.N
DECODE 2-LINE ELSETS WITH THE FOLLOWING KEY:
1 AAAAAU 00 0 0 BBBBB.BBBBBBBB .CCCCCCCC 00000-0 00000-0 0 DDDZ
2 AAAAA EEE.EEEE FFF.FFFF GGGGGGG HHH.HHHH III.IIII JJ.JJJJJJJJKKKKKZ
KEY: A-CATALOGNUM B-EPOCHTIME C-DECAY D-ELSETNUM E-INCLINATION F-RAAN
G-ECCENTRICITY H-ARGPERIGEE I-MNANOM J-MNMOTION K-ORBITNUM Z-CHECKSUM
TO ALL RADIO AMATEURS BT
AO-10
1 14129U 83058B 93329.34450477 .00000009 00000-0 10000-3 0 2133
2 14129 27.1217 354.5434 6014493 132.9243 298.0909 2.06477387 78587
UO-11
1 14781U 84021B 93352.06493232 .00000249 00000-0 50253-4 0 6190
2 14781 97.7951 10.1968 0012338 124.9246 235.3121 14.69103843523715
RS-10/11
1 18129U 87054A 93353.78531718 .00000039 00000-0 25711-4 0 8393
2 18129 82.9275 101.4555 0012165 156.0268 204.1456 13.72328016325308
AO-13
1 19216U 88051B 93356.82690458 -.00000763 00000-0 10000-4 0 8507
2 19216 57.9666 277.5430 7210696 330.9913 3.3970 2.09727363 42318
FO-20
1 20480U 90013C 93355.44982285 -.00000017 00000-0 32207-4 0 6381
2 20480 99.0168 176.0166 0541260 22.2699 340.0980 12.83222967181336
AO-21
1 21087U 91006A 93357.16575150 .00000094 00000-0 82657-4 0 3990
2 21087 82.9459 272.9683 0033939 213.7252 146.1744 13.74530786145408
RS-12/13
1 21089U 91007A 93353.88399174 .00000021 00000-0 60794-5 0 6417
2 21089 82.9202 144.4175 0028238 247.3749 112.4421 13.74031650144026
ARSENE
1 22654U 93031B 93321.93138545 -.00000051 00000-0 10000-3 0 2108
2 22654 1.4185 113.8817 2935300 161.0091 211.2000 1.42195961 2757
UO-14
1 20437U 90005B 93353.73078132 .00000064 00000-0 42114-4 0 9406
2 20437 98.6029 75.8633 0011465 2.5266 357.5973 14.29811303203941
AO-16
1 20439U 90005D 93353.72330553 .00000066 00000-0 42857-4 0 7410
2 20439 98.6110 76.9082 0011736 2.7801 357.3445 14.29867859203952
DO-17
1 20440U 90 5 E 93353.76501517 .00000077 00000-0 37666-4 0 7229
2 20440 98.6116 77.2143 0011897 2.5935 357.5307 14.30005317203972
WO-18
1 20441U 90005F 93353.73726563 .00000047 00000-0 35071-4 0 7424
2 20441 98.6108 77.1992 0012470 1.9872 358.1359 14.29982522203970
LO-19
1 20442U 90005G 93353.72731485 .00000075 00000-0 45923-4 0 7409
2 20442 98.6123 77.4062 0012815 1.5633 358.5590 14.30075638203988
UO-22
1 21575U 91050B 93353.75748489 .00000109 00000-0 51387-4 0 4410
2 21575 98.4535 66.7225 0008505 101.5487 258.6654 14.36875041127317
KO-23
1 22077U 92052B 93353.94580435 -.00000037 00000-0 10000-3 0 3378
2 22077 66.0886 295.2665 0006949 331.1179 28.9453 12.86282320 63736
AO-27
1 22825U 93061C 93353.74382815 .00000041 00000-0 34677-4 0 2392
2 22825 98.6733 66.2045 0009172 18.4935 341.6577 14.27596448 12083
IO-26
1 22826U 93061D 93353.94801570 .00000021 00000-0 26616-4 0 2403
2 22826 98.6737 66.4193 0009857 18.2897 341.8607 14.27698719 12113
KO-25
1 22830U 93061H 93353.71873553 .00000060 00000-0 41620-4 0 2408
2 22830 98.5706 65.3408 0011621 348.1932 11.8974 14.28023309 12082
NOAA-9
1 15427U 84123A 93354.09639046 .00000113 00000-0 84054-4 0 6423
2 15427 99.0778 37.2630 0015442 8.0271 352.1146 14.13572305465048
NOAA-10
1 16969U 86073A 93354.02187208 .00000062 00000-0 44748-4 0 5408
2 16969 98.5124 3.4782 0013795 128.8764 231.3649 14.24851603377095
MET-2/17
1 18820U 88005A 93353.67766328 .00000093 00000-0 69498-4 0 2397
2 18820 82.5445 51.3880 0016224 329.8142 30.2076 13.84702544297518
MET-3/2
1 19336U 88064A 93353.79260360 .00000051 00000-0 10000-3 0 2403
2 19336 82.5462 90.6390 0017018 353.8935 6.1977 13.16962465259640
NOAA-11
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2 19531 99.1549 333.8243 0011091 278.6226 81.3688 14.12942396269933
MET-2/18
1 19851U 89018A 93353.97710199 .00000018 00000-0 28327-5 0 2401
2 19851 82.5197 286.7902 0015442 14.0276 346.1306 13.84351320242896
MET-3/3
1 20305U 89086A 93353.97717306 .00000044 00000-0 10000-3 0 9536
2 20305 82.5531 33.8892 0007368 22.7503 337.3943 13.04424233199537
MET-2/19
1 20670U 90057A 93353.96446215 .00000023 00000-0 79036-5 0 7405
2 20670 82.5448 350.8248 0014781 293.8237 66.1375 13.84184845175820
FY-1/2
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MET-2/20
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2 20826 82.5251 288.6280 0012360 185.9409 174.1606 13.83566699162960
MET-3/4
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2 21232 82.5423 296.3537 0012666 279.5525 80.4165 13.16458564127767
NOAA-12
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2 21263 98.6387 20.6638 0013805 38.8062 321.4103 14.22347172135079
MET-3/5
1 21655U 91056A 93353.74411036 .00000051 00000-0 10000-3 0 6435
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MET-2/21
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2 22782 82.5475 348.4754 0023209 11.8803 348.2904 13.82995041 15318
MIR
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2 16609 51.6187 351.4352 0005780 118.8381 241.3181 15.59225375448544
HUBBLE
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2 20580 28.4713 286.3937 0005954 49.1134 310.9966 14.90390440 3107
GRO
1 21225U 91027B 93356.46954065 .00003496 00000-0 79758-4 0 382
2 21225 28.4628 17.8570 0003464 25.0031 335.0734 15.39616634 29662
UARS
1 21701U 91063B 93353.94360770 .00002033 00000-0 19944-3 0 4420
2 21701 56.9809 157.2740 0005834 103.0283 257.1402 14.96302505124107
POSAT
1 22829U 93061G 93353.79061720 .00000095 00000-0 56185-4 0 2320
2 22829 98.6671 66.2636 0010487 5.2318 354.8962 14.27991712 12092
/EX
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Date: 24 Dec 93 14:50:00 GMT
From: news-mail-gateway@ucsd.edu
Subject: ORBS$358.WEATH.AMSAT
To: info-hams@ucsd.edu
SB KEPS @ AMSAT $ORBS-358.W
Orbital Elements 358.WEATHER
HR AMSAT ORBITAL ELEMENTS FOR WEATHER SATELLITES
FROM WA5QGD FORT WORTH,TX December 24, 1993
BID: $ORBS-358.W
TO ALL RADIO AMATEURS BT
Satellite: NOAA-9
Catalog number: 15427
Epoch time: 93354.09639046
Element set: 642
Inclination: 99.0778 deg
RA of node: 37.2630 deg
Eccentricity: 0.0015442
Arg of perigee: 8.0271 deg
Mean anomaly: 352.1146 deg
Mean motion: 14.13572305 rev/day
Decay rate: 1.13e-06 rev/day^2
Epoch rev: 46504
Checksum: 283
Satellite: NOAA-10
Catalog number: 16969
Epoch time: 93354.02187208
Element set: 540
Inclination: 98.5124 deg
RA of node: 3.4782 deg
Eccentricity: 0.0013795
Arg of perigee: 128.8764 deg
Mean anomaly: 231.3649 deg
Mean motion: 14.24851603 rev/day
Decay rate: 6.2e-07 rev/day^2
Epoch rev: 37709
Checksum: 314
Satellite: MET-2/17
Catalog number: 18820
Epoch time: 93353.67766328
Element set: 239
Inclination: 82.5445 deg
RA of node: 51.3880 deg
Eccentricity: 0.0016224
Arg of perigee: 329.8142 deg
Mean anomaly: 30.2076 deg
Mean motion: 13.84702544 rev/day
Decay rate: 9.3e-07 rev/day^2
Epoch rev: 29751
Checksum: 311
Satellite: MET-3/2
Catalog number: 19336
Epoch time: 93353.79260360
Element set: 240
Inclination: 82.5462 deg
RA of node: 90.6390 deg
Eccentricity: 0.0017018
Arg of perigee: 353.8935 deg
Mean anomaly: 6.1977 deg
Mean motion: 13.16962465 rev/day
Decay rate: 5.1e-07 rev/day^2
Epoch rev: 25964
Checksum: 312
Satellite: NOAA-11
Catalog number: 19531
Epoch time: 93354.12874457
Element set: 440
Inclination: 99.1549 deg
RA of node: 333.8243 deg
Eccentricity: 0.0011091
Arg of perigee: 278.6226 deg
Mean anomaly: 81.3688 deg
Mean motion: 14.12942396 rev/day
Decay rate: 1.06e-06 rev/day^2
Epoch rev: 26993
Checksum: 320
Satellite: MET-2/18
Catalog number: 19851
Epoch time: 93353.97710199
Element set: 240
Inclination: 82.5197 deg
RA of node: 286.7902 deg
Eccentricity: 0.0015442
Arg of perigee: 14.0276 deg
Mean anomaly: 346.1306 deg
Mean motion: 13.84351320 rev/day
Decay rate: 1.8e-07 rev/day^2
Epoch rev: 24289
Checksum: 307
Satellite: MET-3/3
Catalog number: 20305
Epoch time: 93353.97717306
Element set: 953
Inclination: 82.5531 deg
RA of node: 33.8892 deg
Eccentricity: 0.0007368
Arg of perigee: 22.7503 deg
Mean anomaly: 337.3943 deg
Mean motion: 13.04424233 rev/day
Decay rate: 4.4e-07 rev/day^2
Epoch rev: 19953
Checksum: 300
Satellite: MET-2/19
Catalog number: 20670
Epoch time: 93353.96446215
Element set: 740
Inclination: 82.5448 deg
RA of node: 350.8248 deg
Eccentricity: 0.0014781
Arg of perigee: 293.8237 deg
Mean anomaly: 66.1375 deg
Mean motion: 13.84184845 rev/day
Decay rate: 2.3e-07 rev/day^2
Epoch rev: 17582
Checksum: 327
Satellite: FY-1/2
Catalog number: 20788
Epoch time: 93360.47055517
Element set: 851
Inclination: 98.8535 deg
RA of node: 21.0647 deg
Eccentricity: 0.0016083
Arg of perigee: 128.7875 deg
Mean anomaly: 238.6680 deg
Mean motion: 14.01407715 rev/day
Decay rate: 4.17e-06 rev/day^2
Epoch rev: 16951
Checksum: 318
Satellite: MET-2/20
Catalog number: 20826
Epoch time: 93353.89061238
Element set: 739
Inclination: 82.5251 deg
RA of node: 288.6280 deg
Eccentricity: 0.0012360
Arg of perigee: 185.9409 deg
Mean anomaly: 174.1606 deg
Mean motion: 13.83566699 rev/day
Decay rate: 4.1e-07 rev/day^2
Epoch rev: 16296
Checksum: 327
Satellite: MET-3/4
Catalog number: 21232
Epoch time: 93353.88294834
Element set: 646
Inclination: 82.5423 deg
RA of node: 296.3537 deg
Eccentricity: 0.0012666
Arg of perigee: 279.5525 deg
Mean anomaly: 80.4165 deg
Mean motion: 13.16458564 rev/day
Decay rate: 5.0e-07 rev/day^2
Epoch rev: 12776
Checksum: 323
Satellite: NOAA-12
Catalog number: 21263
Epoch time: 93354.09713546
Element set: 847
Inclination: 98.6387 deg
RA of node: 20.6638 deg
Eccentricity: 0.0013805
Arg of perigee: 38.8062 deg
Mean anomaly: 321.4103 deg
Mean motion: 14.22347172 rev/day
Decay rate: 1.51e-06 rev/day^2
Epoch rev: 13507
Checksum: 285
Satellite: MET-3/5
Catalog number: 21655
Epoch time: 93353.74411036
Element set: 643
Inclination: 82.5572 deg
RA of node: 243.4589 deg
Eccentricity: 0.0012742
Arg of perigee: 289.6651 deg
Mean anomaly: 70.3097 deg
Mean motion: 13.16826431 rev/day
Decay rate: 5.1e-07 rev/day^2
Epoch rev: 11284
Checksum: 300
Satellite: MET-2/21
Catalog number: 22782
Epoch time: 93353.94664817
Element set: 240
Inclination: 82.5475 deg
RA of node: 348.4754 deg
Eccentricity: 0.0023209
Arg of perigee: 11.8803 deg
Mean anomaly: 348.2904 deg
Mean motion: 13.82995041 rev/day
Decay rate: 7.7e-07 rev/day^2
Epoch rev: 1531
Checksum: 310
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Date: Thu, 23 Dec 93 07:34:10 GMT
From: rat!news@decwrl.dec.com
Subject: Question. TH28 or P2AT?
To: info-hams@ucsd.edu
Hi everyone,
I'm ready to get a HT after getting my ticket and enough cash.
I've been looking some 2m HTs and kind of like Kenwood TH-28 and
Icom P2AT. I don't know how they perform though.
So, I would like to know which one is better or any good or bad
experience with them. How about the extended receive mod on P2AT?
How sensitive is it? Oh, I'm planning to use around San Francisco
bay area.
I would really appreciate any responses (post or e-mail).
Merry Christmas to all,
thanks,
winston.
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Winston Lee. ( KE6BZU ) | wplee@joule.elee.calpoly.edu
Why do they put braille dots on the keypad of the drive up ATM?
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Date: Fri, 24 DEC 93 17:37:14 EST
From: swrinde!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!noc.near.net!news.delphi.com!usenet@network.ucsd.edu
Subject: what was the telnet address for the ham/call database??
To: info-hams@ucsd.edu
Ken,
Just TELNET the address given in my earlier message. It should not matter
what computer you are using as long as you have Internet access.
Dennis
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Date: Fri, 24 Dec 93 12:37:30
From: netcomsv!netcom.com!netcomsv!lavc!lawrence.goodwin@decwrl.dec.com
Subject: WHERE ARE ALL THE YOU
To: info-hams@ucsd.edu
>Where are all the young enthusiasts?
N> They are waiting for the obsolete code requirements to be eliminated.
Nonsense. No real "enthusiast" would let 5 WPM or even 13 WPM stand in
their way. Geez, I learned morse at 5 WPM in three evenings of casual
practice; no reason why others can't.
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Date: Thu, 23 Dec 93 20:06:58 GMT
From: mnemosyne.cs.du.edu!nyx10!lkollar@uunet.uu.net
To: info-hams@ucsd.edu
References <msanders-211293114849@msanders.sim.es.com>, <1993Dec21.214936.7904@genroco.com>, <1993Dec22.060722.7669@kd4nc.uucp>
Subject : Re: Where are all the young enthusiasts?
n4tii@kd4nc.uucp (John Reed) writes:
>I'm almost 23 on this end...
>
>The problem I am having with my club is my age... I am the first young ham
>they've had in a while that is highly active....always on the radio...operating
>at field day, raising hell at club meetings, etc....
At first I thought, "this guy and John ought to get together and swap
war stories." Then I looked at the header again. Belonging to the same
club and considering John a friend, I can say with no hesitation that he
certainly does raise hell at club meetings. It's usually the only
interesting thing that happens. :-)
>It seems that everytime there's a problem in the club, I'm the one to blame.
>.... more chompo ....
> yet I'm still passed up for
>club nominations each year, passed up for control operator appointments,
>special duties in the club, etc...
Hey, don't blame me, I nominated you for president a year or so back and
you turned it down! Why'd you just want to be VICE president anyway?
>MMy club as yet to give me the respect that I deserve as a member and as a
>person..everytime I open my mouth at a meeting, I'm met with a "That's nice
>son" attitude and a motion to shut up... I'm cut off in mid sentence, etc...
>I don't if other clubs are like that with their new young hams, but mine is
>bad...
It's not just a young/old issue. Remember what happened to one of the
older folks during a repeater flap? That guy got railroaded, pure and
simple. I think that's when I started missing club meetings....
>Some of these old phartes need to learn that us new hams have plenty to offer
>and in no way are we threatening to the establishment... I've done plenty for
>my club, without return.... if they only knew what I was capable of... in
>the CAP, I am a group communications officer, a node operator, a repeater
>control operator and site custodian for the machine, I node op a ham node,
>(GVL07:n4tii-7 in Gainesville, GA - 145.07), I am in AF MARS, (afa2fh), and
>have been a region 2 net control station, a beacon station, a TEXN agent.
>I'm the AEC for the Hall County GA ares...etc etc etc.... but I'm just not
>qualified to serve as an officer in my club because "I'm too little!"
Not that bad -- rumor has it that you lost VP last year by <5 votes.
Perry's only 32, and he's prez. But to tell the truth, I think that
threatening the establishment is exactly what LARC (and most clubs, to
tell the truth) need. Ham radio is in a rut. And from what I've heard
from others, LARC is actually one of the better clubs around. Makes me
wonder what the bad ones are like.
OK, how about you & me & Richard (and anyone else you can think of) get
together at a BBQ joint and talk about what can be done. I've been
hinting for a long time that LARC needs come competition -- I'm done
with just dropping hints. You're not the only one disenchanted -- how
many times have I been to a meeting this year? There are others.
>73 de John "pissed off at Lanierland Amatuer Radio Club" Reed, N4tii
In my case, more like "bored with" ... enough to air some dirty laundry
in public, anyway. I'll type at you tonight or tomorrow, if I can connect
to you (leave an alternate route on guess which .09 mailbox just in case).
Hoping to threaten the establishment real soon, I am --
--
Larry Kollar, KC4WZK | I like CW, but that doesn't mean I think every ham
lkollar@nyx.cs.du.edu | should have to learn it.
"On the Internet, nobody knows you're a dog."
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