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Info-Hams Digest Wed, 22 Dec 93 Volume 93 : Issue 1499
Today's Topics:
?Phonetic alphabet for numbers?
experience on HT wide-band receive
License
Logging Programs (HYPERLOG)
Morse Code blues & young hams
November 1981 QST
One Sad Christmas
Repeater database?
THE><NET vs: Kantronics ?????
Where are all the young enthusiasts?
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Date: 22 Dec 93 22:16:20 GMT
From: ogicse!cs.uoregon.edu!sgiblab!uhog.mit.edu!xn.ll.mit.edu!ll.mit.edu!wjc@network.ucsd.edu
Subject: ?Phonetic alphabet for numbers?
To: info-hams@ucsd.edu
In article <9312221357.aa00505@cbdcom.apgea.army.mil>, wejones@cbdcom.apgea.ARmy.MIL (Bill Jones <n3jlq> ) writes:
|> I suspect that what I'm looking for doesn't exist, but is there some
|> way to represent numbers phonetically? I have never thought of myself as
|> having a strange accent of speech problem, but I have a hard time getting
|> other stations to understand the number in my call, in particular when
|> I say "3" about 50 % of the time it is interpreted as "2", which is
|> strange since the two numbers don't sound similar to me. I can give the
|>
|> ...stuff deleted...
|>
Your question answers one I've had for years. Long ago I came
across a list of standard pronunciations for numbers. I don't
remember the source of the list, but it was something like the U.S.
Army Signal Corp or the ICAO.
The two digits which stand out in my memory are 3 and 9. The
recommended pronunciation for 3 was "THU-REE" and for 9 either
"NIE-YEN" or "NIE-NER".
I wondered why the regular, English pronunciation for 3 was
considered inadequate. I guess I now know!
73
Bill Chiarchiaro N1CPK
wjc@ll.mit.edu
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Date: 20 Dec 93 14:45:04 PST
From: davidsys.com!hopprich@uunet.uu.net
Subject: experience on HT wide-band receive
To: info-hams@ucsd.edu
I am a new ham who is considering buying a handheld. I am trying to
decide which HT I want to buy as a first rig, I want an HT for
portability. Basically what I would like is a dual bander 2m/70cm
with a wide-band receiver, (that's not too much to ask is it!-)
I guess I may have to compromise.
I would like the wideband to act as a scanner to listen to
various bands and services and get a feel for them, preferably
down below 100MHz to pickup comercial FM (if this is possible),
as well as several HAM and aircraft bands etc.
I would like the 2m/70cm for all the activity and the many
repeaters on these bands.
The basic questions I have are;
1. how well does Icom's 2SRA work on 2m and wideband
2. does anybody have experience with any mods to other HT's to
increase their reception bandwidth, preferably a dual-bander.
Thanks in advance for any information/experience.
John Hopprich
hopprich@davidsys.com
KD6PAH
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Date: 20 Dec 93 08:57:56 GMT
From: news.cs.indiana.edu!sgiblab!tsoft!chu@rutgers.rutgers.edu
Subject: License
To: info-hams@ucsd.edu
I'm thinking of getting into amateur radio... but wondering if there are
any volunteers in the Santa Clara area willing to test me (should the
time come...)
--
Michael Chu (bbs.chu@tsoft.net)
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Date: 22 Dec 1993 17:11:52 GMT
From: library.ucla.edu!agate!spool.mu.edu!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!news.tamu.edu!TAYLOR.TAMU.EDU!gtaylor@network.ucsd.edu
Subject: Logging Programs (HYPERLOG)
To: info-hams@ucsd.edu
Speaking of logging programs...can someone provide the number for the
Hyperlog dial-up BBS...I don't get an answer at 844-9023 which is the number
I got elsewhere.
Please respond by reply...I don't know if they have disconnected the reader
for break or what but haven't got any new messages all day...thanks
Greg KD4HZ, gtaylor@taex003n.tamu.edu
Greg Taylor, KD4HZ // g-taylor4@tamu.edu // 409-845-4445 // Fax-847-8744
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Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1993 01:28:42 GMT
From: netcomsv!netcom.com!n1gak@decwrl.dec.com
Subject: Morse Code blues & young hams
To: info-hams@ucsd.edu
In article <2f7ujfINNdsr@nighthawk.ksu.ksu.edu> cbr600@nighthawk.ksu.ksu.edu (Jeremy Utley) writes:
>
>Hello all. Just had my first bad experience as a Tech plus licensee. Went up
... goes on to describe getting no response on 15M ...
>
>73's everyone.
>
>------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>Jeremy L. Utley | jlu@cygnus.cis.ksu.edu
I get out on 40m now and again, and on the West coast (don't let that
1 fool ya ... I was living in MA when I got my license, but I'm a CA boy
at hart) I hear LOTS of Novices & Tech Plusses ... Had many pleasant QSOs
many of them with young hams. Ended up giving a radio to one high-school
group starting a ham-radio club on campus. Wish there'd been one when
I was in high school.
On a related note, I want to describe an interaction I saw in a
popular ham radio dealer here in the bay area ...
Young fellow comes up to the counter. He's about 11 or 12, has his
mother in tow. Idly chatting with someone else at the counter about
how he's just about to take his exam, and is shopping for a radio for
his birthday. Asks the sales-object (an extra) to explain a radio,
and gets lectured (at great length) that "This isn't CB, ya know, kid,
you get caught using this, and it's a $10,000 fine." One less young
ham. With any luck, he'll persist and buy a radio at a swap. Last time
I ever spent a dime in that place. (Although, I do go in now & again to
see if anything has shown up on the bulletin board [cork not electronic])
Scott
scott@jackson.lambda.com (preferred)
scott@n1gak.ampr.org (if you like things to go slowly)
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Date: 22 Dec 1993 17:29:42 GMT
From: library.ucla.edu!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!hamblin.math.byu.edu!news.byu.edu!cwis.isu.edu!u.cc.utah.edu!news.cc.utah.edu!curran@network.ucsd.
Subject: November 1981 QST
To: info-hams@ucsd.edu
One of the college clubs in your area will probably have a roomfull of
QST's. Perhaps someone on the net??
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Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1993 22:38:52 -0500
From: titan.ksc.nasa.gov!k4dii.ksc.nasa.gov!user@ames.arpa
Subject: One Sad Christmas
To: info-hams@ucsd.edu
Yes, Virginia, there WAS a Santa Clause. Reports have been slow to emerge,
but here is what I've been able to piece together about his demise.
Do you remember the year when there were stories about Santa's sleigh
running over little old ladies? I think there was even a song written
about someone's grandmother being done-in that way. Apparently, that year
was Santa's last trip. It seems that the reindeer were in an especially
foul mood. It didn't help things, when someone started the rumor about
Rudolph receiving special treatment just prior to the trip. Needless to
say, reports of reckless sleigh driving came from all over the world that
year.
That was the year I happened to catch Santa on 20 Meters, as he was
returning home from the trip. He was operating as SANTA1, up near the top
of the band, trying to unwind after the grueling delivery schedule. He did
seem to be a bit grouchy, and complained about rebellious reindeer. We
signed off as he arrived home. I happened to leave the receiver on, and
noticed that someone had either left their VOX turned on, or sat something
on their microphone button. I could hear noises in the background, as if
someone tripped and fell down. It was followed by what sounded like hoofs
pounding and someone screaming. Then it abruptly ended, as if someone had
bumped the microphone and released the button.
In a few seconds, I recovered and put out a call to see what might have
happened. After several tries, I heard an excited voice using the
callsign, ELF27. He was too excited to say much then. But after about 20
minutes, he came back again. He proceded to describe what he had found.
Santa had apparently slipped or lost his footing, and fallen. Then, he was
attacked by the team of 8 reindeer. Once Santa succumbed to the trampling,
they turned their wrath toward Rudolph. ELF27 described a scene where body
parts were everywhere, with Rudolph's bloody, still glowing nose lying in
the gory snow.
ELF27 and I maintained a regular schedule for a long time after that. He
kept me informed about the Elves recovering from their grief, and about
efforts to find a replacement for Santa.
As you probably realize, most of the world is not aware this happened to
Santa at all. One year later, there was a "new" Santa making the annual
trip. ELF27 related that one of the other Elves (ELF45) was very good at
politics. After the tragedy, he emerged as a natural leader, and had
virtually no opposition.
The widow, Mrs. Claus, took a liking to him, and before the year had
elapsed, they were married. Now, if you think it odd for a young Elf to go
for an elderly widow, you must understand that although Santa was quite
old, he had outlived several wives. The widow, Mrs. Claus, was actually
quite young and attractive, so ELF45 had no hesitation.
I haven't talked to ELF27 for some time. He did mention that ELF45 had
adopted the SANTA1 callsign, and can sometimes be heard at the top end of
20 Meters, late Christmas Eve.
73, Fred, K4DII
12/21/93
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Date: Thu, 23 Dec 1993 02:37:49 GMT
From: dog.ee.lbl.gov!agate!iat.holonet.net!bwilkins@network.ucsd.edu
Subject: Repeater database?
To: info-hams@ucsd.edu
mkb@cs.cmu.edu (Mike Blackwell) writes:
:
: Is a database of (US) repeaters available (for free or licensable)?
: Something like what's used to generate the ARRL repeater directory
: is what I'm interested in - presumably it's in some electronic form
: already. Any leads greatly appreciated.
:
: Mike Blackwell -- ke3ig -- mkb@cs.cmu.edu
The Database of US repeaters is kept by individual coordinators in each
state or region. There must be at least fifty of them. Once a year the
repeater coordinators send in their part of the data to the ARRL. The ARRL
compiles the data into a vary fine book known as the ARRL REPEATER
DIRECTORY. Many of the individual coordinating groups copyright the
material that is published.
Like your local phone book the info is only good as of the date of
publication. It would be fair to say that twenty percent of the repeaters
listed make a change each year. New ones going on line each week. Old ones
fading away... Callsigns change, and they finally added ctcss tone to
the two meter box on the mountain so we don't have to hear the one-ways
from the guys in the next state.
Good luck if you think you can do the work of fifty groups....
bob
--
Bob Wilkins n6fri voice 440.250+ 100pl san francisco bay area
bwilkins@cave.org packet n6fri @ n6eeg.#nocal.ca.usa.na
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Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1993 05:48:07 GMT
From: usc.edu!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!emory!kd4nc!n4tii@network.ucsd.edu
Subject: THE><NET vs: Kantronics ?????
To: info-hams@ucsd.edu
clmorgan@miavx3.mid.muohio.edu writes:
>Anyone experiencing problems with Kantronics' products, particularly the
>KAM, in networks utilizing THE><NET version 2.10?
>Our problem seems to occur due to THE><NET's diddle during the TXD delay
>and prevents the KAM from validating a node's packets. Problem does not
>seem to occur when a MFJ (TNC-2 clone) TNC is on the receiving end. Kantronics
>boxes have included KAM (version 5 firmware), KAM (enhancement board & version
>6 firmware), and KPC-2 (version 5 firmware).
>Changing our THE><NET node back to version 2.08B firmware seems to have solved
>the problem.
>Suggestions? Comments?
I am a node operator for one of the nodes in Ga Wing Civil Air Patrol's
packet communications system....
My node (GVL:GA0985 on CAP packet) is TheNet 2.10st and it's running on
an MFJ1270.... the surrounding nodes are KaNodes (KPC-3's).... (we're
in the process of converting all our KaNodes to netrom-style nodes...ka-node
was good and cheap and got us online rather quick). Anyway.... I do get
a some thruput trouble when talking to the Kanodes...but's it's not much..
and not enough to disrupt traffic greatly....our biggest problem with the
MFJ and TheNet is that the dadgum TNC puts out a birdie right on the CAP
packet frequency...(I done spun the little trimmer cap and fixed it, though).
73 de John
n4tii
> 73 >< Carl
> K8NHE
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Date: 22 Dec 1993 17:42:48 GMT
From: library.ucla.edu!agate!usenet.ins.cwru.edu!eff!news.kei.com!news.byu.edu!cwis.isu.edu!u.cc.utah.edu!news.cc.utah.edu!curran@network.ucsd.edu
Subject: Where are all the young enthusiasts?
To: info-hams@ucsd.edu
Just a thought about CW requirements and licences. The last I new, and
quite possibly not so now, The novice and tech licences included some
wonderful CW only bandspace (Pick your favorite band). Do new hams
get access to these freqs without demonstrating rudimentary CW skills?
How about the opposite side of this argument. I.E. why should one need
to know EE theory to upgrade from general to advanced and advanced to
extra? While homebrewing is a vibrant part of the service, in these
days of mass marketed radios, it is not essential. How about rewarding
operating practice and amature service as an alternative method of
upgrade. (Impracticality arguments welcome).
73 Mark KA1ODA/7
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Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1993 06:07:22 GMT
From: usc.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!emory!kd4nc!n4tii@network.ucsd.edu
To: info-hams@ucsd.edu
References <CIEC97.F6x@cbnewsi.cb.att.com>, <msanders-211293114849@msanders.sim.es.com>, <1993Dec21.214936.7904@genroco.com>
Subject : Re: Where are all the young enthusiasts?
don@genroco.com (Don Woelz) writes:
>In article <msanders-211293114849@msanders.sim.es.com> msanders@sim.es.com (Milt Sanders) writes:
>>In article <CIEC97.F6x@cbnewsi.cb.att.com>, warnergt@cbnewsi.cb.att.com
>>(george.t.warner) wrote:
>>>
>>> >Where are all the young enthusiasts?
>>>
>>> They are waiting for the obsolete code requirements to be eliminated.
>>
>>I disagree: I know five young hams in my area (under the age of 17) who
>>are studying code, and two who have been making CW contacts on the novice
>>bands and are nearly ready to get their general licenses at 13 WPM. I also
>>just upgraded to general, and worked hard to meet the code requirements.
>>
>I also disagree: My son, now 15 has had a General Class license for
>almost a year now, and had a Novice before than, and started with
>the codeless Technician license. His favorite pasttime is CW
>contesting!
> Donald D. Woelz, K9GR Office Phone: 414-644-8700
> GENROCO, Inc. K9GR @WB9TYT.#MKE.WI.USA.NOAM
> 205 Kettle Moraine Drive North k9gr@k9gr.ampr.org [44.92.1.48]
> Slinger, WI 53086 U.S.A. don@genroco.com
I'm almost 23 on this end...I got my license when I was 17 and a Junior in
High school....(Got Novice and Technician within a month of each other).
A year later, I got my General and have been in a holding pattern since...
The problem I am having with my club is my age... I am the first young ham
they've had in a while that is highly active....always on the radio...operating
at field day, raising hell at club meetings, etc....
It seems that everytime there's a problem in the club, I'm the one to blame.
Shortly after I got my license, we had a problem with a TouchTone bandit on
the club repeater....all the OF's thought it was me..... even since, I have
been more active then 80% of the club members, yet I'm still passed up for
club nominations each year, passed up for control operator appointments,
special duties in the club, etc...
MMy club as yet to give me the respect that I deserve as a member and as a
person..everytime I open my mouth at a meeting, I'm met with a "That's nice
son" attitude and a motion to shut up... I'm cut off in mid sentence, etc...
I don't if other clubs are like that with their new young hams, but mine is
bad...
Some of these old phartes need to learn that us new hams have plenty to offer
and in no way are we threatening to the establishment... I've done plenty for
my club, without return.... if they only knew what I was capable of... in
the CAP, I am a group communications officer, a node operator, a repeater
control operator and site custodian for the machine, I node op a ham node,
(GVL07:n4tii-7 in Gainesville, GA - 145.07), I am in AF MARS, (afa2fh), and
have been a region 2 net control station, a beacon station, a TEXN agent.
I'm the AEC for the Hall County GA ares...etc etc etc.... but I'm just not
qualified to serve as an officer in my club because "I'm too little!"
[SOUR GRAPES MODE - off]
73 de John "pissed off at Lanierland Amatuer Radio Club" Reed, N4tii
n4tii%kd4nc.uucp@gatech.edu
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Date: 22 Dec 1993 10:12 PST
From: library.ucla.edu!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!gatech!destroyer!nntp.cs.ubc.ca!unixg.ubc.ca!erich.triumf.ca!bennett@network.ucsd.edu
To: info-hams@ucsd.edu
References <CIAxyr.Fxs@iat.holonet.net>, <LINNIG.93Dec21134704@m2000.dseg.ti.com>, <sohn-221293082259@17.255.8.71>c
Subject : Re: what frequencies are marine band?
In article <sohn-221293082259@17.255.8.71>, sohn@apple.com (Phil Sohn) writes...
>In article <LINNIG.93Dec21134704@m2000.dseg.ti.com>,
>linnig@m2000.dseg.ti.com (Mike Linnig) wrote:
>
>> Here is a list of VHF marine frequencies that I got off the net...
>>
>>
>> 156.275 MC <65> (port operations) 156.300 MS <6> (intership saftey)
>> ...
>> 157.425 MS <88> (commercial)
>>
>> -- Mike, N5QAW
>>
>
>Note that some of the channels have different frequencies for ship and
>shore communication: I assume for full duplex. I forget which channels are
>set up that way, but there are only a half dozen of them.
>
>phil sohn, KE6CRR
I mailed this list to the original poster, but since there seems to be
additional interest, I will post it here...
This shows the shore TX frequencies for the duplex channels, as well as
indicating which channels are affected by the US/International switch.
Marine VHF channel frequencies and usage
Chan Ship Tx Ship Rx Area Use
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01 156.050 160.650 IC Ship/shore - telephone
02 156.100 160.700 IC Ship/shore - telephone
03 156.150 160.750 IC Ship/shore - telephone
04 156.200 160.800 I Ship/shore - telephone
04A 156.200 C Canadian Coast Guard - authorized stations
05 156.250 160.850 I *Ship/shore - telephone
06 156.300 Intership - Safety
07 156.050 160.650 *Ship/shore - telephone
07A 156.350 Intership-Ship/shore - commercial
08 156.400 Intership - commercial
09 156.450 Intership-Ship/shore
10 156.500 Intership-Ship/shore - commercial
11 156.550 Vessel Traffic Management
12 156.600 Vessel Traffic Management
13 156.650 Bridge to bridge - 1 watt - Safety of Nav.
14 156.700 Vessel Traffic Management
15 156.750 EPIRB Buoy
16 156.800 International Distress/Safety/Calling
17 156.850 Pilotage - vessel docking/manoeuvers
18 156.900 161.500 I *Port Operation
18A 156.900 Intership-Ship/shore - commercial
19 156.950 161.550 I *Port Operation
19A 156.950 *Port Operation
20 157.000 *Port Operation
21 157.050 161.650 I *Port Operation
21A 157.050 A US Coast Guard - authorized stations
21B 161.650 C Canadian Coast Guard - Weather Broadcasts
22 157.100 161.700 I *Port Operation
22A 157.100 CA US/Canadian Coast Guard - Public Working Freq.
23 157.150 161.750 IC Ship/shore - telephone (in Canada)
23A 157.150 *Port Operation (USCG)
24 157.200 161.800 Ship/shore - telephone
25 157.250 161.850 Ship/shore - telephone
26 157.300 161.900 Ship/shore - telephone
27 157.350 161.950 Ship/shore - telephone
28 157.400 162.000 Ship/shore - telephone
60 156.025 160.625 IC Ship/shore - telephone
61 156.075 160.675 I *Ship/shore - telephone
61A 156.075 C Intership-S/S - Can. Coast Guard Private
62 156.125 160.725 I *Ship/shore - telephone
62A 156.125 C Intership-S/S - Can. Coast Guard Private
63 156.175 160.775 I *Ship/shore - telephone
63A 156.175 C Intership-Ship/shore - commercial
64 156.225 160.825 IC Ship/shore - telephone
65 156.275 160.875 I *Ship/shore - telephone
65A 156.275 CA Port Operation (Canadian Coast Guard Private)
66 156.325 160.925 I *Ship/shore - telephone, Port Operation
67 156.375 Intership-Ship/shore
68 156.425 Intership-Ship/shore - non-commercial
69 156.475 Intership-Ship/shore
70 156.525 Digital Selective Calling - Distress and Safety
71 156.575 Vessel Traffic Management
72 156.625 Intership
73 156.675 Intership-Ship/shore
74 156.725 Vessel Traffic Management
( 75 and 76 not used )
77 156.875 Pilotage - vessel docking/manoeuvers
78 156.925 161.525 *Port Operation
78A 156.925 Intership-Ship/shore - commercial
79 156.975 161.575 I *Port Operation
79A 156.975 Intership-Ship/shore - commercial
79B 161.575 C Commercial Fishing - Receive only
80 157.025 161.625 I *Port Operation
80A 157.025 Intership-Ship/shore - commercial
81 157.075 161.675 I *Port Operation
81A 157.075 A *Port Operation (USCG)(CCG anti-pollution)
82 157.125 161.725 I *Port Operation, s/s telephone
82A 157.125 A *Port Operation (USCG)(CCG)
83 157.175 161.775 I *Ship/shore - telephone (CCG)
83A 157.225 A *Intership, Port Operation (USCG)
84 157.225 161.825 Ship/shore - telephone
85 157.275 161.875 Ship/shore - telephone
86 157.325 161.925 Ship/shore - telephone
87 157.375 161.975 Ship/shore - telephone
88 157.425 162.025 IC *Ship/shore - telephone
88A 157.425 A *Intership
Weather Channels: (as in Icom IC-M55)
Wx1 162.550
Wx2 162.400
Wx3 162.475
Wx4 161.650 Marine 21B - CCG West Coast Weather Broadcasts
Wx5 162.425
Wx6 162.500
Wx7 162.525
Wx8 162.450
Wx9 161.775 Marine 83B - CCG Great Lakes & East Wx Broadcasts
Wx10 163.275
(Wx5 - Wx10 are not listed in the manual, but are in the radio)
The channel usage marked with an asterisk (*) are from tables in Icom IC-M2
and IC-M55 marine radio manuals, and are probably fairly "generic", and
subject to change in different jurisdictions. Other channel usage is from my
station licence for the Canadian West Coast, and from things overheard on the
air. "Your usage may vary."
Channels marked (CCG) or (USCG) are for Canadian or US Coast guard authorized
stations only.
Channel 70 is supposed to be reserved for a future selective calling distress
and safety system, but is (illegally) being used for intership communications
(even by the RCMP!)
The letters under "area" mean:
I: International only (non-US) according to Icom
C: Canadian usage
A: American usage
Channels with an "A" suffix are simplex operation on the ship transmit
frequency of an international duplex channel.
Canada uses a "B" suffix to denote broadcast (one-way) use of the shore
transmit side of an international duplex channel.
There are no repeaters (as hams know them) in the marine service . If you
are willing to pay for a phone call, the telco might let you place a call
to another vessel on the same (or different) channel, and so get the effect
of a repeater.
Peter Bennett, VE7CEI
packet: ve7cei@ve7kit.#vanc.bc.can
internet: bennett@erich.triumf.ca
Peter Bennett VE7CEI | Vessels shall be deemed to be in sight
Internet: bennett@erich.triumf.ca | of one another only when one can be
Bitnet: bennett@triumfer | observed visually from the other
TRIUMF, Vancouver, B.C., Canada | ColRegs 3(k)
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