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Info-Hams Digest            Sun, 19 Dec 93       Volume 93 : Issue 1479

Today's Topics:
                             AEA question
                      Best low-cost WEFAX SW/HW
     Daily Summary of Solar Geophysical Activity for 15 December
                   Kraco SSB CB Information Please
                           Logging Software
                           Mail to ARRL HQ
                           Ni-Cd questions
                      Reference for xmit tubes?
                               US calls
            Where are all the young enthusiasts? (2 msgs)

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Date: 18 Dec 93 05:17:34 GMT
From: news2.uunet.ca!iceonline!icebox!janc@uunet.uu.net
Subject: AEA question
To: info-hams@ucsd.edu

>Well this is certainly news to me.. I just sent them back some of their software
>I was testing for an article. They have recently sent out new catalogues
>and have come out with many new products.. and even remember hearing
>that they had bought out another company.
>
>might want to check your source again
>
>Jeff M. Gold, AC4HF

Jeff, thanks for the response - as I had mentioned, I found the very notion of
AEA's disappearance to be ludicrous, but I had to check it out.  Thanks a ton.

Jan Chojnacki
73 de VE7FJC

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Date: 17 Dec 93 09:58:13 -0700
From: mel.dit.csiro.au!its.csiro.au!dmssyd.syd.dms.CSIRO.AU!dmsperth.per.dms.CSIRO.AU!uniwa!harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!yeshua.marcam.com!news.kei.com!eff!usenet.ins.cwru.edu@munnari.oz.au
Subject: Best low-cost WEFAX SW/HW
To: info-hams@ucsd.edu

In article <2eki2g$1p5@gdls.com>, turini@gdls.com (Bill Turini) writes:
> I'd like to explore Weather FAX at a reasonable cost.  I noticed several commercial packages around $100 or so (AEA, SSC, etc) and one shareware with a homebrew interface.
> 
> Does anyone have any recommendations as to the best way to go.  I would like to keep the cost less than $150, as that's all my dog has saved up for my Christmas present :-)
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Bill
I have been using a PC HF Facsimile system for a couple of years sold by 
"Sofware Systems Consulting, John E Hoot".  It is under $100.  Comprised of a
small demod unit mounted in a DB 25 plug.  It's self powered so it will plug
into anything.  It uses a serial port and is compatible with all monitor 
arrangements up to VGA.  Charts and Satellite photos can be black/white, or
various color enhancements.  Setup was "zero". Plug it into the radio (I had
a "Record (line level)" jack on my Yaesu which was ahead of the volume control
so I can monitor and capture at the same time.  It has a setup "oscilloscope"
mode that makes it very easy to tune.  It also has an auto mode which can be
set to capture any number of images at any programmed time.

Contact Software Systems Consulting
 amateur Radio Group
 150 Avenida Cabrillo, Suite C
 San Clemente, CA. 92672
They have a BBS from 8 to 11 pm at (619) 259-5554

Comes with an excellent 60 page bound manual and 70 + pages of charts, details,
etc...
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Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1993 21:43:49 MST
From: library.ucla.edu!agate!spool.mu.edu!uwm.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!cyber2.cyberstore.ca!nntp.cs.ubc.ca!unixg.ubc.ca!kakwa.ucs.ualberta.ca!alberta!nebulus!ve6mgs!usenet@network.ucsd.edu
Subject: Daily Summary of Solar Geophysical Activity for 15 December
To: info-hams@ucsd.edu

                /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\

                 DAILY SUMMARY OF SOLAR GEOPHYSICAL ACTIVITY

                                15 DECEMBER, 1993

                /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\

                  (Based In-Part On SESC Observational Data)


SOLAR AND GEOPHYSICAL ACTIVITY INDICES FOR 15 DECEMBER, 1993
------------------------------------------------------------

!!BEGIN!! (1.0) S.T.D. Solar Geophysical Data Broadcast for DAY 349, 12/15/93
10.7 FLUX=085.4  90-AVG=098        SSN=023      BKI=1222 3221  BAI=007
BGND-XRAY=B1.1     FLU1=5.3E+05  FLU10=1.3E+04  PKI=2233 3221  PAI=009
  BOU-DEV=007,012,016,015,027,012,013,006   DEV-AVG=013 NT     SWF=00:000
 XRAY-MAX= B6.5   @ 0702UT    XRAY-MIN= A6.5   @ 2303UT   XRAY-AVG= B1.9
NEUTN-MAX= +003%  @ 2300UT   NEUTN-MIN= -001%  @ 1710UT  NEUTN-AVG= +0.7%
  PCA-MAX= +0.1DB @ 1225UT     PCA-MIN= -0.2DB @ 1440UT    PCA-AVG= -0.0DB
BOUTF-MAX=55355NT @ 2359UT   BOUTF-MIN=55337NT @ 1909UT  BOUTF-AVG=55346NT
GOES7-MAX=P:+000NT@ 0000UT   GOES7-MIN=N:+000NT@ 0000UT  G7-AVG=+057,+000,+000
GOES6-MAX=P:+131NT@ 1812UT   GOES6-MIN=N:-118NT@ 0739UT  G6-AVG=+084,+020,-032
 FLUXFCST=STD:085,085,085;SESC:085,085,085 BAI/PAI-FCST=020,015,010/025,015,010
    KFCST=4445 5444 2224 5220  27DAY-AP=018,020   27DAY-KP=2111 4543 3622 3433
 WARNINGS=
   ALERTS=**MAGSI:10NT@2042UTC
!!END-DATA!!

NOTE: The Effective Sunspot Number for 14 DEC 93 is not available.
      The Full Kp Indices for 14 DEC 93 are: 1+ 2- 1- 1+   2- 2- 1o 1- 


SYNOPSIS OF ACTIVITY
--------------------

             Solar activity was very low. All of the regions on the
       disk were quiet and stable. A 16 degree filament near S02W41
       disappeared sometime between 14/2329-15/1214Z. The eruption was
       also visible in solar x-ray imagery.

            Solar activity forecast:  solar activity is expected to be
       very low.

            The geomagnetic field has been at mostly quiet levels
       for the past 24 hours. A weak impulse was observed around
       2047Z.

            Geophysical activity forecast:  the geomagnetic field is
       expected to be active for the next 24 hours as a result of
       coronal hole effects. Conditions should subside to mostly
       unsettled leves for the second and third days.

            Event probabilities 16 dec-18 dec

                             Class M    01/01/01
                             Class X    01/01/01
                             Proton     01/01/01
                             PCAF       Green

            Geomagnetic activity probabilities 16 dec-18 dec

                        A.  Middle Latitudes
                        Active                35/30/15
                        Minor Storm           25/20/05
                        Major-Severe Storm    10/05/01

                        B.  High Latitudes
                        Active                30/25/15
                        Minor Storm           35/25/05
                        Major-Severe Storm    15/10/01

            Normal HF propagation conditions continued over the low
       and middle latitude paths, while slightly below-normal
       conditions persisted over the high and polar latitude paths
       (mostly over the night sectors). Propagation over the high and
       polar latitudes is expected to become more strongly degraded
       over the next 24 to 48 hours due to effects from the
       above-noted coronal hole disturbance. Middle latitudes may also
       see minor signal degradation on night-sector paths.  Conditions
       should begin improving slowly by about 17 or 18 December.


COPIES OF JOINT USAF/NOAA SESC SOLAR GEOPHYSICAL REPORTS
========================================================

REGIONS WITH SUNSPOTS. LOCATIONS VALID AT 15/2400Z DECEMBER
-----------------------------------------------------------
NMBR LOCATION  LO  AREA  Z   LL   NN MAG TYPE
7634  S11W94  072  0000 AXX  00  001 ALPHA
7635  N02E63  275  0060 HSX  02  002 ALPHA
7632  N05W08  346                    PLAGE
7636  N14E02  336                    PLAGE
REGIONS DUE TO RETURN 16 DECEMBER TO 18 DECEMBER
NMBR LAT    LO
7628 S21   233


LISTING OF SOLAR ENERGETIC EVENTS FOR 15 DECEMBER, 1993
-------------------------------------------------------
BEGIN  MAX  END  RGN   LOC   XRAY  OP 245MHZ 10CM   SWEEP
NONE


POSSIBLE CORONAL MASS EJECTION EVENTS FOR 15 DECEMBER, 1993
-----------------------------------------------------------
 BEGIN        MAX      END     LOCATION   TYPE   SIZE  DUR  II IV
15/A0805             B2208       S10W28   DSF


INFERRED CORONAL HOLES. LOCATIONS VALID AT 15/2400Z
---------------------------------------------------
               ISOLATED HOLES AND POLAR EXTENSIONS
      EAST   SOUTH  WEST   NORTH  CAR  TYPE  POL  AREA   OBSN
                 NO DATA AVAILABLE FOR ANALYSIS


SUMMARY OF FLARE EVENTS FOR THE PREVIOUS UTC DAY
------------------------------------------------

 Date   Begin  Max   End  Xray  Op Region  Locn    2695 MHz  8800 MHz  15.4 GHz
------  ----  ----  ----  ----  -- ------ ------  --------- --------- ---------
14 Dec: 0934  0938  0941  B5.0                                         
        1057  1102  1106  C1.2                                         
        1204  1210  1214  C2.1                                         
        1527  1536  1542  B7.2                                         
        1916  1921  1930  B3.4                                         


REGION FLARE STATISTICS FOR THE PREVIOUS UTC DAY
------------------------------------------------

                C   M   X     S   1   2   3   4   Total   (%)
               --  --  --    --  --  --  --  --    ---  ------
Uncorrellated: 2   0   0     0   0   0   0   0    005  (100.0)

 Total Events: 005 optical and x-ray.


EVENTS WITH SWEEPS AND/OR OPTICAL PHENOMENA FOR THE LAST UTC DAY
----------------------------------------------------------------

 Date   Begin  Max   End  Xray  Op Region  Locn    Sweeps/Optical Observations
------  ----  ----  ----  ----  -- ------ ------   ---------------------------
                            NO EVENTS OBSERVED.

NOTES:
     All times are in Universal Time (UT).  Characters preceding begin, max,
     and end times are defined as:  B = Before,  U = Uncertain,  A = After.
     All times associated with x-ray flares (ex. flares which produce
     associated x-ray bursts) refer to the begin, max, and end times of the
     x-rays.  Flares which are not associated with x-ray signatures use the
     optical observations to determine the begin, max, and end times.

     Acronyms used to identify sweeps and optical phenomena include:

          II        = Type II Sweep Frequency Event
          III       = Type III Sweep
          IV        = Type IV Sweep
          V         = Type V Sweep
          Continuum = Continuum Radio Event
          Loop      = Loop Prominence System,
          Spray     = Limb Spray,
          Surge     = Bright Limb Surge,
          EPL       = Eruptive Prominence on the Limb.


**  End of Daily Report  **

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Date: 16 Dec 1993 17:33:08 -0800
From: ucsnews!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!gatech!udel!news.sprintlink.net!news.world.net!cyberspace.com!cyberspace.com!not-for-mail@network.ucsd.edu
Subject: Kraco SSB CB Information Please
To: info-hams@ucsd.edu

I have a Kraco 23-channel single sideband base station CB, model KB-2355.
The manufacture date is June, 1976.  The radio works fine, and I just put
an Antron 99 with it, so it works that much better.  However, meters tell
me that, while the match is 1:1 across the frequency spectrum, it's not
putting out the full 4 watts AM and 12 PEP sideband.  Could someone tell me
how to peak this radio up so I can get maximum output on it?  If possible,
please supply information on peaking tx power, tx modulation and rx sens-
itivity.  Any information on how to get this radio to perform to optimum
capacity would be appreciated.  Please respond in mail rather than posting.

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
John Russell Woodman (jrw@cyberspace.com) / "Wishing like a mountain and think-
sjade/holomuck@collatz.mcrcim.mcgill.edu / ing like the sea, how it is to feel
Sjade@HoloMUCK and Sjade@Incarnations   / absolutely free, the simplest thing,
holomuck@collatz.mcrcim.mcgill.edu     / so hard to achieve." -Poi Dog Pondering
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Date: 18 Dec 93 05:02:37 GMT
From: sdd.hp.com!hpscit.sc.hp.com!cupnews0.cup.hp.com!news1.boi.hp.com!hp-pcd!hp-cv!ogicse!cs.uoregon.edu!sgiblab!swrinde!emory!nntp.msstate.edu!Ra.MsState.Edu!cll4@network.ucsd.edu
Subject: Logging Software
To: info-hams@ucsd.edu

Steve Silverwood [CA] (76703.3035@CompuServe.COM) wrote:

: >I use HyperLog myself and am pretty happy with it.  You'll also want to get a

Is HyperLog available at any FTP sites?

Thanks,
Craig

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 Bitnet:   cll4@msstate.bitnet|

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Date: Thu, 16 DEC 93 20:16:25 EST
From: ucsnews!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!swrinde!sgiblab!uhog.mit.edu!xn.ll.mit.edu!noc.near.net!news.delphi.com!usenet@network.ucsd.edu
Subject: Mail to ARRL HQ
To: info-hams@ucsd.edu

chance that this bbs will be on the internet anytime soon? Would appreciate
any information.  Thank You.  Joe Keenan

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Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1993 22:03:56 GMT
From: nntp.ucsb.edu!library.ucla.edu!agate!usenet.ins.cwru.edu!news.ysu.edu!malgudi.oar.net!utnetw.utoledo.edu!uoft02.utoledo.edu!klee2@network.ucsd.edu
Subject: Ni-Cd questions
To: info-hams@ucsd.edu

Hi:
Need some input on rechargeables,
1. Should I store them Ni-Cd charged or drained?
2. Should I discharge them after a period of storage and then
recharge them to full ? If they needed to be stored charged.

Thanks
klee

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Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1993 21:18:42 GMT
From: netcomsv!netcom.com!btoback@decwrl.dec.com
Subject: Reference for xmit tubes?
To: info-hams@ucsd.edu

In article <CHzFzA.Hw3@cdsmail.cdc.com> molson@bml4380.cpg.cdc.com (Mark Olson) writes:
>Now I need information about the 4X and 4CX series
>of xmit tubes: 4X150 series, 4CX250 and 4CX350 series,
>and I cannot find anything but cursory information
>about these.

Eimac _used_ to have an excellent information package for amateur radio
applications of their tubes, including data sheets, application notes,
amplifier designs, and whole projects. I don't know if they still have it
but if so, it'll be worthwhile contacting them. Their toll-free number
is (800) 423-4622. 

BTW, I got my package from them fifteen years ago. I just dropped in when
I was driving up the Bayshore Freeway and saw the building (somewhat to
my wife's annoyance, since we were on our honeymoon). I told them 
what I was after, and they were VERY friendly -- got all the literature,
an engineering contact, and a short tour for good measure.

I'm still planning to do a conduction-cooled 2kw amplifier, just as soon
as I find the time :-).

-- Bruce Toback

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Date: 17 Dec 93 16:35:37 GMT
From: hp-cv!ogicse!cs.uoregon.edu!sgiblab!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!geraldo.cc.utexas.edu!emx.cc.utexas.edu!not-for-mail@hplabs.hp.com
Subject: US calls
To: info-hams@ucsd.edu

kchen@apple.com (Kok Chen) wonders:

>sds@cs.brown.edu (Scott Swanson) writes:

>>I remember it being broken into 4 groups:
>>
>>Class A: 1x2 and 2x1  (eg, W1AA or WA1A)
>>Class B: 2x2  (eg, WA1AA)
>>Class C: 1x3  (eg, W1AAA)
>>Class D: 2x3  (eg, WA1AAA)
>>
>>Novices get class Ds, Techs and Generals get class Cs, Advanced get
>>class Bs, and Extras get class As -- IF available for that area.  


>Hey, Derek, they keep leaving us 2x2 out!  Are you sure we have 
>legitimate U.S. Group A calls? :-)

Not sure, we are just furriners anyway, old chap, what?   I sure 
have seen a lot of misleading information posted about the US call 
sign allocations, but it doesn't matter really, you can't tell who 
lives where or what class anyone is, most of the time. 

A lot of non-US stations don't even know that US hams do not have
voice privileges between 14100-14150 etc.  It's nice and quiet down
there, relatively speaking.  Only person I ever worked in that band
was ET3A in Ethiopia, who was on 14025, listening up, and farther up
and farther up as time went on.  I think he ended up listening on 10m.


Derek "British Texan" Wills AA5BT,
Department of Astronomy, University of Texas, 
Austin TX 78712.  (512-471-1392)
oo7@astro.as.utexas.edu 

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Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1993 23:10:46 GMT
From: ucsnews!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!uwm.edu!msuinfo!harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!bruce.cs.monash.edu.au!trlluna!titan!pcies4.trl.OZ.AU!drew@network.ucsd.edu
Subject: Where are all the young enthusiasts?
To: info-hams@ucsd.edu

Is there no longer any "magic" in radio for young persons? At my radio 
club, I see the same bunch of (mostly) grey and balding heads- rare to see a 
young, enthusiastic person attend a meeting. And on the air- same bunch of 
grey beards- not many young voices.

Let me quote a paragraph from "Most Secret War" by Prof. R.V.Jones, of 
Scientific Intelligence fame;

 "My main hobby in my schooldays was, as with many other boys
 of my generation, the making of radio receiving sets. There
 has never been anything comparable in any other period of
 history to the impact of radio on the ordinary individual in
 the 1920's. It was the product of some of the most
 imaginative developments that have ever occurred in
 physics, and was as near magic as anyone could 
 conceive, in that with a few mainly home-made 
 components, simply connected together one could
 conjure speech and music out of the air. The 
 construction of radio receivers was just within the
 competence of the average man, and could thus write
 himself a passport to countries he could never hope
 to visit. And he could always make modifications that
 might improve his aerial or his receiver, and give him
 something to boast about to his friends...".

 
Young persons now are surrounded by global TV, cellular phones, computers 
with exciting games.... Is it surprising that building radios offers little 
prospect of any real fun?

Can we do anyhing? Should we try to do anything? Will our 
cherished hobby simply fade away and die? Clues anyone?

73, Kind Regards,

Drew, VK3XU.      Telecom Australia Research Laboratories.    

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Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1993 03:53:02 GMT
From: library.ucla.edu!agate!howland.reston.ans.net!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!usenet.ucs.indiana.edu!nickel.ucs.indiana.edu!dbasinge@network.ucsd.edu
Subject: Where are all the young enthusiasts?
To: info-hams@ucsd.edu

It seems (especially on the net) the ham is a older man's hobby. A lot
of hams have a reputation of sitting around at club meetings talking
about the set-up they have at home. The local meeting I did goto was a
talk about one of the members antenna systems he had 15 years ago. It
was somewhat interesting, but I don't see that exciting to many young
people to join.

The main reasons the ham may be losing popularity with young people is
1. The excitement of talking to people from different areas and
foreign countries can now be done via a home computer (much many
households have anyways).
2. More people live in cities now. What is worse, more people live in
apartments. Not many people can set-up fancy rigs with huge antennas
in an apartment building (I have asked :-). This limits people to the
hand-held jobbies, that most newbies will get from Radio Shack (so
that is only 2-Meter band and 440MHz I think).

Things that will help is when you can buy a multi-band hand-held radio
for a fairly good price. And maybe when packet-radio and SSTV catch on
more ham will re-gain popularity.

Now a disclaimer. I a newbie myself. I still studying for a tech
license next month. I plan to get a 2-Meter hand-held and just use
local repeater. I'm really more interested in short-wave radio, which
seems to offer more to people that are stuck in apartments like me.

Since I'm a newbie, I probably have NO IDEA what I'm talking about,
I'm just making observations. Please take it as such.

mike
-- 
D. Michael Basinger:  Not speaking for Indiana University
   dbasinge@nickel.ucs.indiana.edu
   dbasinge@arapahoe.ucs.indiana.edu (NeXT Mail)

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Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1993 18:38:38 -0700
From: orca.es.com!cnn.sim.es.com!msanders.sim.es.com!user@uunet.uu.net
To: info-hams@ucsd.edu

References <gregCI2vzn.3Hs@netcom.com>, <2eoare$6ru@slinky.cs.nyu.edu>, <gregCI4rp8.7q3@netcom.com>nders
Subject : Re: R/C Aircraft

In article <gregCI4rp8.7q3@netcom.com>, greg@netcom.com (Greg Bullough)
wrote:

> In article <2eoare$6ru@slinky.cs.nyu.edu> jackson@longlast.cs.nyu.edu (Steven Jackson) writes:
> >
> ((  snip  ))



> 
> Bear in mind, when you think about flying it anywhere, that you have
> a liability problem. You can't fly R/C, and be insured, except at an
> AMA sanctioned field. That means no coverage of news events. Your
> altitude is also limited by FAA regs, so you can't foul up air 
> traffic. By the way, people have been sued for millions after their
> airplane whacked someone, so this is not trivial matter.
> 

AMA INSURES ALL ITS MEMBERS ANYWHERE AS LONG AS YOU ARE FLYING WITHIN THEIR
SAFETY PARAMETERS.  YOU DO NOT HAVE TO BE AT AN AMA FIELD

ALTITUDE LIMITS ARE ONLY STATED WITHIN 5 MILES OF AN AIRPORT\\

I HAVE NOT HEARD OF A MULTI-MILLION DOLLAR SUIT FOR A MODEL AIRCRAFT
INCIDENT/ACCIDENT

BUT YOU DO HAVE TO BE CAREFUL AND REASONABLE


Milt
AMA 8400
=========================================================================

Opinions, thoughts, &cetera are my own (when I can remember them).

"He flies the sky                               KB7MSF
Like an Eagle in the eye                         UTAH
of a hurricane that's abandoned."               
                                                 
     America                             

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Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1993 18:01:29 -0700
From: orca.es.com!cnn.sim.es.com!msanders.sim.es.com!user@uunet.uu.net
To: info-hams@ucsd.edu

References <kHXFec2w165w@p-cove.UUCP>, <gregCI2vzn.3Hs@netcom.com>, <2eoare$6ru@slinky.cs.nyu.edu>s.com
Subject : Re: R/C Aircraft

In article <2eoare$6ru@slinky.cs.nyu.edu>, jackson@longlast.cs.nyu.edu
(Steven Jackson) wrote:

> [snip]
> 
> 
> 
> Even if the video doesn't work at first, anyone can make up a timer and
> tape a wire to an automatic camera and take beautiful shots from the sky.
> 
> I was also mainly interested in some type of computer mode transmissions
> to get around the 1 watt maximum PEP for r/c transmitters.  If the computer
> could drive the flight control systems only for high-altitude maneuvering,
> then 2m carries a 1500 watt maximum PEP, right?  Of course, we won't get
> silly and punch it up there, but it's good to know I could be pretty sure 
> that even if I can't see the craft, it's still taking commands.
> 
> That's where the ssb tv interests come in.  I have heard in private email
> that someone that someone knew has installed a small camera in the nose
> of his model plane so he could fly it by looking at a monitor in his
> van. With cameras becoming ever smaller, I could tuck one in the "cockpit"
> of the helicopter of the size I was imagining.
> 
> I've also heard about my size questions.  I certainly didn't picture anything
> as big as what I've heard about.  I pictured a helicopter about four to five
> feet long and two feet high.  Perhaps a stronger engine than a chainsaw would
> be needed to get it off the ground. With a craft that big, I picture a baby
> AT motherboard up against one of the outside walls unless the bottom is wide
> enough to hold the board flat.
> 
>
> 
> Please, all your input is terrific. Does this sound fun to anyone yet??
> 
> -- 


Steven:

When I was in grad school at AFIT (Air Force Institute of Technology),
Wright-Patterson AFB, Don Lowe, current president of the Academy of Model
Aeronautics (AMA) was experimenting with ground guided aircraft through a
TV camera in the plane.  It has been done by more than a few people, and
successfully.  TV cameras and transmitters are small, light, battery
powered, and don't require too high an output.  In fact my thesis project
was designed to carry a TV camera, but we did the aerodynamics and model
design, and the TV was to be the next group's project.

The helicopter problems are vibration, payload, and model orientation.  I
have read articles in the model magazines describing still cameras, movie
cameras, and thoughts about tv cameras in helicopters.  There have been
problems with vibration.  The fixed wing aircraft in the wingspan area of
10-12 feet, are stable, can isolate vibration, are easy to fly, and can
carry a good payload.  Keep after your dreams and you can do it one day.  A
ham license and a transmitter on the ATV (?) frequencies can take care of
that stuff. 

You have to keep the aircraft within visual range, even with a TV camera
because your field of view is too narrow (both vertical and horizontal) to
maintain adequate navigational references to find your way back to your
takeoff site.  The typical RC transmitter puts less than 750 mw into the
PEP, yet works well out to 1.5 miles, which is well beyond visual range for
a normal model aircraft.  Perhaps one of the 49 Mhz licenseless
frequencies, maybe just boosted a bit would provide telemetry to you.  I
can't say that I know the output limit on those fequencies, so don't take
my word for it.

In one of the model magazines, Radio Control Modeler Magazine, there is an
advertisement for a group wanting folks to join, for air to ground
electronics.
  Write to:  Dave Ewen, P.O. Box 16629, Wichita, KS 67216.  He also gives a
BBS:  CCINK  at (203) 871-1988.  I am taking this from my August 1990
issue, and my more current magazines are at home, so this may be out of
date, but give it a try.  They are using/interested in navigation,
telemetry, and control systems for radio control RPV electronics.  This
should give you some neat contact for your projects.

Have fun,

Milt
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Opinions, thoughts, &cetera are my own (when I can remember them).

"He flies the sky                               KB7MSF
Like an Eagle in the eye                         UTAH
of a hurricane that's abandoned."               
                                                 
     America                             

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