Date: Sat, 4 Dec 93 01:34:22 PST From: Info-Hams Mailing List and Newsgroup <info-hams@ucsd.edu> Errors-To: Info-Hams-Errors@UCSD.Edu Reply-To: Info-Hams@UCSD.Edu Precedence: Bulk Subject: Info-Hams Digest V93 #1422 To: Info-Hams Info-Hams Digest Sat, 4 Dec 93 Volume 93 : Issue 1422 Today's Topics: 1274 clock chip Alinco DJF1T-HP dead ARRL Information Mail Server Help: dotted decimal address of arrl.org hypochondriac scared of cancer! Legal Question about 97.403 ORBS$337.2L.AMSAT Poor Man's Spectrum Analyzer Radio Shack frequency counter Soundblaster Software (2 msgs) using a radio off frequency in emergencies Web page for Amateur Radio Send Replies or notes for publication to: <Info-Hams@UCSD.Edu> Send subscription requests to: <Info-Hams-REQUEST@UCSD.Edu> Problems you can't solve otherwise to brian@ucsd.edu. Archives of past issues of the Info-Hams Digest are available (by FTP only) from UCSD.Edu in directory "mailarchives/info-hams". We trust that readers are intelligent enough to realize that all text herein consists of personal comments and does not represent the official policies or positions of any party. Your mileage may vary. So there. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 3 Dec 1993 14:39:31 GMT From: olivea!news.bu.edu!att!att!bigtop!drutx!paul@uunet.uu.net Subject: 1274 clock chip To: info-hams@ucsd.edu Does anyone out there know what the clock chip is for an MFJ 1274 TNC? This is a device that can be user installed so that the real time clock does not have to be set every time the unit is powered up. MFJ has one available for about 30 bucks...but if its a $1.98 item from Digi-Key I'll buy it from them. Coming from MFJ I really don't think it can anything very special...Thanks Paul Anderson WB0ZRD at AT&T Bell Labs in Denver. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1993 18:14:11 GMT From: sdd.hp.com!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!torn!news.ccs.queensu.ca!venus!pas@decwrl.dec.com Subject: Alinco DJF1T-HP dead To: info-hams@ucsd.edu In article <2didjd$m01@hecate.umd.edu>, nnyx@w3eax.umd.edu (Rich N3NYX) writes: |> |> I purchased a new ALINCO DJF1T-HP, and ever since the day I bought it, I |> have been having problems with it. The first problem was with the |> keyboard lighting (only half of the keyboard would light). Then I have |> been having problems with the internal ribbon cables, which would |> intermittently cause loss of certain functions. And just recently, |> the radio started to smoke and has ceased to function at all (now |> at the shop for gut replacement) :(. |> Has anyone had any problems with their ALINCO DJF1T-HP? When looking for an HT, I was warned to keep away from the Alinco rigs due to reliability problems. I bought a Yaesu FT530. No problems with it in its first 4 months of life. Peter Peter A. Stokes ______________________ Voice & Voice mail: (613) 545-2923 Engineering Applications Support ____________________ FAX: (613) 548-8104 Canadian Microelectronics Corporation ________ Net: pas@jupiter.ic.cmc.ca Kingston, Ontario, CANADA _________________________________ Radio: VE3ZXT ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Dec 1993 04:19:18 GMT From: yarrina.connect.com.au!harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!yeshua.marcam.com!news.kei.com!eff!news.umbc.edu!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!agate!news.Brown.EDU!noc.@munnari.oz.au Subject: ARRL Information Mail Server To: info-hams@ucsd.edu In article <199312022150.NAA00563@ucsd.edu> IQC109@URIACC.URI.EDU (Ken Carr, KB1AWV) writes: Path: lynx!noc.near.net!das-news.harvard.edu!husc-news.harvard.edu!hsdndev!ncar!ames!pacbell.com!network.ucsd.edu!news-mail-gateway Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc From: IQC109@URIACC.URI.EDU (Ken Carr, KB1AWV) Date: 2 Dec 93 21:40:04 GMT Organization: ucsd usenet gateway NNTP-Posting-Host: ucsd.edu Originator: daemon@ucsd.edu Lines: 22 The address for the ARRL Information Mail SErver is as follows: info@arrl.org Your first message to them should have these lines: INDEXINDEX QUIT This will get you a list of all available text files. The index will be delivered by E-mail in less than 2 hours. After getting the list of filenames, your susequent requests would go as follows: SEND filename QUIT "filename" is the name of the file you want. Request as many as you want in the same E-mail request. Another command is: HELP sends the help file Some files available are: PROSPECT, EXAM-SCHEDULE, ADDRESSES, BIOEFFECTS, E EMI-GEN, KITS, SOFTWRE, PRODUCT-REVIEW, FAQ-1, FAQ-2, FAQ-3, FTP-INFO, MAC-STACK, POOL-EXTRA-1, AUTH-GUIDE, AWARDS, CONTESTS-93, FORM-10M, PACKET-INTRO,QSL-IN, QSL-OUT, 10-10INFO, and many more. Ed Hare, KA1CV , seems to be involved with this ( ehare@arrl.org) Additionally, don't forget that if you would like the same files in an instant, you can get via anonymous FTP from world.std.com in the directory pub/hamradio/arrl/Server-files. The files are updated as often as the ARRL updates theirs. 73, Scott -- =============================================================================== | Scott Ehrlich Internet: wy1z@neu.edu | | Amateur Radio: wy1z AX.25: gate@wb7tpy.az.usa.na | |-----------------------------------------------------------------------------| | Maintainer of the Boston Amateur Radio Club hamradio FTP area on | | the World - world.std.com /pub/hamradio | =============================================================================== ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Dec 93 09:12:38 GMT From: mvb.saic.com!unogate!news.service.uci.edu!usc!howland.reston.ans.net!agate!han.hana.nm.kr!usenet@network.ucsd.edu Subject: Help: dotted decimal address of arrl.org To: info-hams@ucsd.edu Hi ? I'm faced difficulty to reach ARRL. Our Name resolution server cannot resolve the address 'arrl.org'. Is anyone who knows the dotted decimal address of 'arrl.org'. Please let me know ! Thanks in advance. -- !--@--$--%-- *** Best 73s and 'Ahn-nyoung' from Seoul, Korea *** --^--&--*--+ h h l 1 mm mm nn n u u Lee, Kwangweon, HL1MNU | ex-HL0T (Club) hhhh l 1 m m m n nn u u Internet: hl1mnu@thebard.kci.co.kr h h l 1 m m n n u u Phone: +82-2-706-6571 Ext. 181 (Office) h h llll 1 m m n n uuu +82-2-854-2248 (Home) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 4 Dec 1993 07:32:44 GMT From: library.ucla.edu!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!math.ohio-state.edu!news.acns.nwu.edu!raven.alaska.edu!aurora.alaska.edu!fsjtc@network.ucsd.edu Subject: hypochondriac scared of cancer! To: info-hams@ucsd.edu I live in a dormitory whose window faces the other dorm building. On top of _that_ building is a 70 foot radio antennae (I don't know the wattage) that broadcasts the college radio station out over the town of Fairbanks, Alaska. Yes, people really live there! What I want to know is: is having that antennae 100 ft away from my dorm room window any kind of health risk? Be honest! I wanna know the facts! (it broadcasts at 104.1 fm, if that helps at all.) Thanks, J. Callahan Fairbanks, AK ------------------------------ Date: 3 Dec 93 22:28:17 GMT From: world!ksr!jfw@uunet.uu.net Subject: Legal Question about 97.403 To: info-hams@ucsd.edu sohn@apple.com (Phil Sohn) writes: >I have a legal question about FCC rule 97.403. It refers to "these rules." >Does that mean Part 97 or all or the FCC rules. (I don't have a copy in >front of me, so I may be slightly misquoting.) I would concur with everyone else; rules in Part 97 affect other rules in Part 97 unless it has an explicit number attached to it. >This is obviously in regard to the ham in San Diego who had his equipment >taken away. There are so many conflicting views about the laws, I decided >to read them myself. The sheriff's department keep quoting 90.47 which is >about permits to use the land mobile system in remote areas during >emergencies. Which does not really apply to this case since the ham did not >have one of these permits. The ham refers to rule 97.403, which states that >no part of "these rules" obstructs a ham from using any radio means >available. If that ham is attempting to justify his actions under 97.403, it sounds like he has entirely failed to contact a knowledgable lawyer, a grave error if the sheriff's department has or is planning to charge him with something, and a serious error if he just wants his equipment back (:-). If there is to be any legal justification for him, he'll probably find it in the Communications Act of 1934; all 97.403 means is that having a ham ticket does not prohibit you from using the right given to every other citizen to use all means at your disposal to save lives. As others have pointed out, local laws about ownership of unlicensed transmitters (which Part 90 probably does *not* address) may mean that even if he can legally justify the transmission they will still get to keep the equipment as a souvenir of his public service... ------------------------------ Date: 3 Dec 93 15:09:00 GMT From: news-mail-gateway@ucsd.edu Subject: ORBS$337.2L.AMSAT To: info-hams@ucsd.edu SB KEPS @ AMSAT $ORBS-337.N 2Line Orbital Elements 337.AMSAT HR AMSAT ORBITAL ELEMENTS FOR AMATEUR SATELLITES IN NASA FORMAT FROM WA5QGD FORT WORTH,TX December 3, 1993 BID: $ORBS-337.N DECODE 2-LINE ELSETS WITH THE FOLLOWING KEY: 1 AAAAAU 00 0 0 BBBBB.BBBBBBBB .CCCCCCCC 00000-0 00000-0 0 DDDZ 2 AAAAA EEE.EEEE FFF.FFFF GGGGGGG HHH.HHHH III.IIII JJ.JJJJJJJJKKKKKZ KEY: A-CATALOGNUM B-EPOCHTIME C-DECAY D-ELSETNUM E-INCLINATION F-RAAN G-ECCENTRICITY H-ARGPERIGEE I-MNANOM J-MNMOTION K-ORBITNUM Z-CHECKSUM TO ALL RADIO AMATEURS BT AO-10 1 14129U 83058B 93328.37358304 .00000006 00000-0 10000-3 0 2127 2 14129 27.1967 354.6814 6020029 132.8205 296.5509 2.05877703 78552 UO-11 1 14781U 84021B 93334.56060295 .00000200 00000-0 37883-4 0 6151 2 14781 97.7956 353.4973 0011482 179.8391 180.2820 14.69091713521149 RS-10/11 1 18129U 87054A 93332.42270253 .00000059 00000-0 57861-4 0 8141 2 18129 82.9259 117.2417 0010740 217.0444 143.0089 13.72327034322379 AO-13 1 19216U 88051B 93334.89295688 -.00000293 00000-0 10000-4 0 8199 2 19216 57.9062 281.3321 7211239 329.5060 3.4438 2.09727727 41853 FO-20 1 20480U 90013C 93330.50118171 -.00000019 00000-0 -16586-4 0 6112 2 20480 99.0189 155.8314 0541157 78.7761 287.3633 12.83222138178132 AO-21 1 21087U 91006A 93334.52703634 .00000084 00000-0 82657-4 0 3725 2 21087 82.9438 289.7212 0034068 279.0086 80.7210 13.74529132142291 RS-12/13 1 21089U 91007A 93335.60629654 .00000062 00000-0 59526-4 0 6163 2 21089 82.9186 157.9722 0028484 300.8203 59.0141 13.74031015141507 ARSENE 1 22654U 93031B 93321.93138545 -.00000051 00000-0 10000-3 0 2108 2 22654 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12.86282019 61351 AO-27 1 22825U 93061C 93335.66121621 .00000054 00000-0 30201-4 0 2145 2 22825 98.6748 48.2617 0009506 67.0884 293.1315 14.27592650 9503 IO-26 1 22826U 93061D 93335.65645330 .00000067 00000-0 35056-4 0 2151 2 22826 98.6753 48.2666 0010130 68.0262 292.2022 14.27695161 9506 KO-25 1 22830U 93061H 93334.73062882 .00000063 00000-0 33395-4 0 2159 2 22830 98.5750 46.7010 0012513 41.6119 318.6010 14.28019103 9370 NOAA-9 1 15427U 84123A 93334.84368432 .00000130 00000-0 79180-4 0 6155 2 15427 99.0804 17.7293 0015863 60.2936 299.9797 14.13566417462326 NOAA-10 1 16969U 86073A 93333.79766137 .00000082 00000-0 43108-4 0 5134 2 16969 98.5132 343.8701 0012893 187.6835 172.3786 14.24846717374213 MET-2/17 1 18820U 88005A 93334.74597958 .00000046 00000-0 35403-4 0 2145 2 18820 82.5442 66.4440 0017282 23.3483 336.8433 13.84698976294896 MET-3/2 1 19336U 88064A 93327.88606867 .00000043 00000-0 10000-3 0 2131 2 19336 82.5382 108.9623 0018510 57.6406 302.6575 13.16961911256238 NOAA-11 1 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93335.94780045 .00000189 00000-0 93586-4 0 8205 2 21263 98.6410 2.8806 0013991 87.7504 272.5281 14.22339524132493 MET-3/5 1 21655U 91056A 93335.73681315 .00000043 00000-0 10000-3 0 6164 2 21655 82.5541 256.1756 0013519 337.2586 22.7976 13.16824449110479 MET-2/21 1 22782U 93055A 93330.57841316 .00000052 00000-0 42172-4 0 2132 2 22782 82.5498 6.9986 0023854 74.2891 286.0902 13.82992608 12086 MIR 1 16609U 86017A 93335.61195375 .00006745 00000-0 88822-4 0 89 2 16609 51.6183 98.3478 0005473 48.6088 311.5306 15.58761518445223 HUBBLE 1 20580U 90037B 93334.49424048 .00000737 00000-0 62150-4 0 3664 2 20580 28.4678 72.2793 0004404 354.4743 5.5823 14.92940966196384 GRO 1 21225U 91027B 93332.89291156 .00004723 00000-0 86749-4 0 10 2 21225 28.4615 182.5452 0032650 186.4473 173.5288 15.46654112 26003 UARS 1 21701U 91063B 93332.63061551 .00004494 00000-0 41654-3 0 4165 2 21701 56.9840 242.6493 0005839 92.2745 267.9904 14.96170835120902 POSAT 1 22829U 93 61 G 93289.11726978 .00000072 00000-0 37231-4 0 2042 2 22829 98.6763 2.0610 0010043 184.4594 175.6498 14.27975951 2862 /EX ------------------------------ Date: 2 Dec 1993 14:03:04 GMT From: ucsnews!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!usc!sdd.hp.com!caen!crl.dec.com!crl.dec.com!nntpd.lkg.dec.com!n1bwt.enet.dec.com!wade@network.ucsd.edu Subject: Poor Man's Spectrum Analyzer To: info-hams@ucsd.edu There have been several inquiries lately about the Poor Man's Spectrum Analyzer. A couple of years ago, I thought it was a great idea and bought the kit. I haven't done anything with it and it's looking like one of those things I'll never get to... So if anyone is interested and wants to save a few bucks, send mail. paul N1BWT ------------------------------ Date: 4 Dec 93 01:33:16 GMT From: news-mail-gateway@ucsd.edu Subject: Radio Shack frequency counter To: info-hams@ucsd.edu Hugh Wells, W6WTU writes: >Now that the RS frequency counter has been out for awhile, has anyone had a >chance to evaluate its performance? >I'm preparing to buy the RS counter and would appreciate any input from those >of you that have used it. The kinds of data I seek fall into the categories >of: frequency stability, frequency accuracy if better than 100ppm, sensitivity >across the frequency range, random counting problems, battery drain or recharge >rate when using nicads, and any application information that would or would not >support the counter. Also, does the antenna connector lend itself for use >with a preamp? >Thanks in advance I just returned a RS frequency counter. Accuracy is ok at 1ppm =/- least significant digit, but it is not very sensitive. Depending on frequency, "typical" sensitivity is specified as 2 to 145 mV, better in the mid range than on either end (mid range reads 5-8 mV mostly). The antenna connects with a BNC, but maximum input levels are 1.4 V p-p, so be careful using a pre-amp. I wanted to test it by using my mobile antenna and looking for signals off a car transmitting in the next lane on the road. In a full day on the road in the greater LA area (high RF environment) I found one 2 meter amateur transmission with the counter. I even went by some broadcast transmitters without getting a reading. My HT on 50mW inside the car could not be read by the antenna mounted outside the car (I know the car is a faraday cage, but it's not that tight). If you plan to use it in a like manner as my test, i.e.: finding scanner frequencies, try another unit. The Opto Electronics little counter had much better sensitivity specs. I have a friend who has ordered one, but I have not field tested one yet. It costs about $30.00 more, but it comes with nicads and a charger (antenna optional). Good Luck 73 _____________________________________________________________________ Wm. A. Kirsanoff Internet: WAKIRSAN@ananov.remnet.ab.com Rockwell International Ham: KD6MCI (714) 762-2872 Alternate Internet: william_a._kirsanoff@ccmail.anatcp.rockwell.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- Who are you? * I am number 2. * Who is number 1? * You are number 6. --------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Dec 1993 13:07:13 GMT From: amiserv!vpnet!tellab5!jwa@uunet.uu.net Subject: Soundblaster Software To: info-hams@ucsd.edu There has been several postings from persons inquiring about the lack of software that uses the Soundblaster to receive RTTY. The soundblaster is simply an A to D, D to A audio board. Any audio filtering thats required is performed by the PC. The PC gets the data (that was was converted from an analog signal) and performes a mathematical function that filters the signal. The signal can then be decoded into ascii characters and displayed on the screen. The problem is, it's very difficult to write software for a PC that is downward compatable and do the math that is required to properly filter the signal. I'm sure it can be done but I don't think it can perform as well as a PK232, for example. Unless your using a 486 with a math co-processor, there would be timing problems that would make it difficult for the PC to filter and decode FSK especially at 300 baud. There are programs, like Hamcom, that can copy RTTY and decode FSK without an FSK demodulator or sound board but it performs poorly even in moderate, noisey conditions. That's where a DSP shines! Complex filters can be implimented to pull weak signals from the noise. There just isn't enough speed, even in a 486-66 to perform the filter routines, decode the data, do the timing functions and run a user friendly terminal program. A DSP board, on the other hand, can function as a sound co- processor that can run it's own software to decode the tones. Then the PC will have more than enough time to decode the data, do the timing functions and display the text. --- Jack Albert Fellow Radio Hacker Tele (708) 378-6201 Tellabs Operations, Inc. FAX (708) 378-4590 1000 Remington Blvd. jwa@tellabs.com Bolingbrook, IL 60440 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * THE BOWTIE FILTER ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1993 13:05:37 GMT From: pipex!bnr.co.uk!corpgate!nrtpa038!b4pph13e!cnc23a@uunet.uu.net Subject: Soundblaster Software To: info-hams@ucsd.edu In article <1993Dec1.130713.342@tellab5.tellabs.com>, jwa@tellabs.com (John W. Albert) writes: |> There has been several postings from persons inquiring |> about the lack of software that uses the Soundblaster |> to receive RTTY. |> |> The soundblaster is simply an A to D, D to A audio board. |> Any audio filtering thats required is performed by the PC. |> The PC gets the data (that was was converted from an analog |> signal) and performes a mathematical function that filters |> the signal. The signal can then be decoded into ascii |> characters and displayed on the screen. |> |> The problem is, it's very difficult to write software for |> a PC that is downward compatable and do the math that is |> required to properly filter the signal. I'm sure it can be |> done but I don't think it can perform as well as a PK232, |> for example. |> |> Unless your using a 486 with a math co-processor, there would |> be timing problems that would make it difficult for the PC to |> filter and decode FSK especially at 300 baud. There are programs, |> like Hamcom, that can copy RTTY and decode FSK without an FSK |> demodulator or sound board but it performs poorly even in moderate, |> noisey conditions. |> |> That's where a DSP shines! Complex filters can be implimented |> to pull weak signals from the noise. There just isn't enough |> speed, even in a 486-66 to perform the filter routines, decode |> the data, do the timing functions and run a user friendly |> terminal program. |> |> A DSP board, on the other hand, can function as a sound co- |> processor that can run it's own software to decode the tones. |> Then the PC will have more than enough time to decode the data, |> do the timing functions and display the text. Jack, if this is true, why are there DTMF, SSTV and Morse Code Decode shareware products available for hams ? And the Voice Blaster (tm) product is out there and will allow the soundblaster to 'hear' and 'understand' voice commands (quite a complex mathmatical operation) in real time (and I'm fairly sure it DOES NOT require the ASP). And I know a local ham that HAS written a RTTY decode program for the SB, but do not know if he is wanting to shareware or market it. Food for thought. -- ====================================================================== Ken M. Edwards, PE Bell Northern Research, Research Triangle Park, NC (919) 481-8476 email: cnc23a@bnr.ca Ham: N4ZBB All opinions are my own and do not necessarily reflect the views of my employer or co-workers, family, friends, congress, or president. (To the e-mail'r out there -> This is a short as it will gets) ------------------------------ Date: 1 Dec 1993 19:30:22 GMT From: goanna.cs.rmit.oz.au!aggedor.rmit.EDU.AU!harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!yeshua.marcam.com!news.kei.com!eff!usenet.ins.cwru.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!math.ohio-state.edu!@@munnari.oz.au Subject: using a radio off frequency in emergencies To: info-hams@ucsd.edu Rick Aldom (ayka60@email.sps.mot.com) wrote: : the San Diego Sheriff's Office the attention the have been seeking. I : would recommend the ARRL publicly stand tall and be counted. If this : issue is put to bed properly in San Diego, we might not need to address : it anywhere else. : Rick Aldom I agree with your recommendation. I suggest that you write to your ARRL Division Director and express your concerns and recommendation. 73, Larry Keith, KQ4BY ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Dec 1993 23:54:43 GMT From: mvb.saic.com!unogate!news.service.uci.edu!usc!howland.reston.ans.net!usenet.ins.cwru.edu!eff!news.kei.com!news.byu.edu!news.mtholyoke.edu!news.unomaha.edu!cwis!pschleck@network.ucsd.edu Subject: Web page for Amateur Radio To: info-hams@ucsd.edu In <SDS.93Dec3093920@cslab9f.cs.brown.edu> sds@cs.brown.edu (Scott Swanson) writes: >Has anyone produced or is anyone aware of a W3 (Web) page for Amateur >Radio? If not, I wouldn't mind making it (and of course input would >be most welcome!), but I don't want to duplicate effort if there's a >perfectly good one sitting out there somewhere, especially if it has >all sorts of nifty links (ARRL Info Server, Callbook, etc.) >Please let me know by news or email! I guess you mean "World-Wide Web." Being somewhat of a Usenet old-fogey (on the net since Oct. 1990), I'm somewhat in awe of all these newfangled techniques and information systems. Actually, I'm only 26, but I'm already starting to get the sinking feeling that technology is rapidly leaving me behind :-). I just recently found out from the faq-maintainers@mit.edu mailing list that all of the periodic information postings that are cross-posted to news.answers are available via WWW. The URL (User Resource Location?) entry is: http://www.cis.ohio-state.edu:80/hypertext/faq/usenet. For radio, this includes the following documents (offset from the above): radio/swap-guide personal-intro rec.radio.info cb-faq radio/ham-radio/faq elmers digital-faq hams-on-usenet I recently had the privilege of getting a walk-through of "Mosaic" which is a WWW page viewer for Unix and X-Windows, by a WWW expert at a recent meeting of the UNO Student Chapter of ACM. The radio FAQ's are definitely there, albeit sans any internal "markup" that you describe. So yes, there are some WWW "Pages," they just aren't fully marked up. Speaking for the rest of the Ham Radio FAQ maintainers, we might be amenable to someone taking these postings and converting them to Hypertext Markup Language (HTML) to provide hypertext links to other resources. Our major concerns are: 1. The work involved (which you volunteered to do) 2. Keeping the FAQ's readable in ASCII format (such as from news and ftp sites) I highly recommend subscribing to the rra-wg mailing list (rec.radio.amateur Working Group) that encompasses all of the FAQ maintainers for amateur radio, plus other interested volunteers. Send an E-mail message to rra-wg-request@amdahl.com. I look forward to discussing the subject with you further. 73, Paul W. Schleck, KD3FU pschleck@unomaha.edu Maintainer, Amateur Radio Elmers Resource Directory ------------------------------ End of Info-Hams Digest V93 #1422 ****************************** ******************************