Date: Mon, 29 Nov 93 01:08:34 PST From: Info-Hams Mailing List and Newsgroup <info-hams@ucsd.edu> Errors-To: Info-Hams-Errors@UCSD.Edu Reply-To: Info-Hams@UCSD.Edu Precedence: Bulk Subject: Info-Hams Digest V93 #1399 To: Info-Hams Info-Hams Digest Mon, 29 Nov 93 Volume 93 : Issue 1399 Today's Topics: Daily Summary of Solar Geophysical Activity for 24 November Emergency use of modified HT FT530 receiver problems?? HAM-server index update HELP! IC28A ES COLD WX IS there any FAQ ????? Logging program for casual contacts MCW with an HTX-202??? QSL route for ZF2SV/8? rec.radio.amateur.packet VK2SG RTTY DX Notes, 26 November World via Gopher Send Replies or notes for publication to: <Info-Hams@UCSD.Edu> Send subscription requests to: <Info-Hams-REQUEST@UCSD.Edu> Problems you can't solve otherwise to brian@ucsd.edu. Archives of past issues of the Info-Hams Digest are available (by FTP only) from UCSD.Edu in directory "mailarchives/info-hams". We trust that readers are intelligent enough to realize that all text herein consists of personal comments and does not represent the official policies or positions of any party. Your mileage may vary. So there. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 25 Nov 1993 11:40:42 MST From: gumby!destroyer!nntp.cs.ubc.ca!alberta!nebulus!ve6mgs!usenet@yale.arpa Subject: Daily Summary of Solar Geophysical Activity for 24 November To: info-hams@ucsd.edu /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ DAILY SUMMARY OF SOLAR GEOPHYSICAL ACTIVITY 24 NOVEMBER, 1993 /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ (Based In-Part On SESC Observational Data) SOLAR AND GEOPHYSICAL ACTIVITY INDICES FOR 24 NOVEMBER, 1993 ------------------------------------------------------------ !!BEGIN!! (1.0) S.T.D. Solar Geophysical Data Broadcast for DAY 328, 11/24/93 10.7 FLUX=100.0 90-AVG=094 SSN=078 BKI=2200 0001 BAI=002 BGND-XRAY=B2.5 FLU1=8.6E+05 FLU10=1.2E+04 PKI=2211 2121 PAI=005 BOU-DEV=010,010,004,004,004,004,004,008 DEV-AVG=006 NT SWF=00:000 XRAY-MAX= C1.4 @ 2223UT XRAY-MIN= B1.8 @ 0241UT XRAY-AVG= B3.8 NEUTN-MAX= +001% @ 2150UT NEUTN-MIN= -003% @ 1050UT NEUTN-AVG= -0.4% PCA-MAX= +0.1DB @ 2325UT PCA-MIN= -0.4DB @ 1330UT PCA-AVG= +0.0DB BOUTF-MAX=55361NT @ 2358UT BOUTF-MIN=55343NT @ 1927UT BOUTF-AVG=55355NT GOES7-MAX=P:+000NT@ 0000UT GOES7-MIN=N:+000NT@ 0000UT G7-AVG=+078,+000,+000 GOES6-MAX=P:+130NT@ 1804UT GOES6-MIN=N:-058NT@ 1126UT G6-AVG=+098,+017,-031 FLUXFCST=STD:095,090,088;SESC:095,090,088 BAI/PAI-FCST=010,005,005/015,010,010 KFCST=3443 3222 2233 3222 27DAY-AP=016,010 27DAY-KP=3344 3234 3322 3222 WARNINGS=*SWF ALERTS= !!END-DATA!! NOTE: The Effective Sunspot Number for 23 NOV 93 is not available. The Full Kp Indices for 23 NOV 93 are not available. SYNOPSIS OF ACTIVITY -------------------- Solar activity was low due to a C1 flare from Region 7618 (N06W85) at 1854UT. Region 7620 (N05W10) nearly doubled in size during the period and produced frequent B-class flares. Some mixed polarities are visible in the Region as is an arch filament system which bodes well for further growth. Region 7622 (N13E36) was stable with infrequent fluctuations. Solar activity forecast: solar activity should be low with Region 7622 producing the bulk of the C-class flares. Continued growth in 7620 will make M-class flares more likely. The geomagnetic field remained quiet. Geophysical activity forecast: the geomagnetic field should be generally unsettled for 24 nov. Quiet to unsettled conditions should be experienced on 25 and 26 nov. Event probabilities 25 nov-27 nov Class M 25/30/30 Class X 01/01/01 Proton 01/01/01 PCAF Green Geomagnetic activity probabilities 25 nov-27 nov A. Middle Latitudes Active 20/15/15 Minor Storm 05/01/01 Major-Severe Storm 01/01/01 B. High Latitudes Active 25/20/20 Minor Storm 10/01/01 Major-Severe Storm 01/01/01 HF propagation conditions were normal over all regions. The coronal-hole related disturbance did not materialize. Conditions are expected to continue normal over all regions. There is an increasing chance for isolated SWFs (short-wave fadeouts) due to possible minor flaring from developing Region 7620 over daylit paths. COPIES OF JOINT USAF/NOAA SESC SOLAR GEOPHYSICAL REPORTS ======================================================== REGIONS WITH SUNSPOTS. LOCATIONS VALID AT 24/2400Z NOVEMBER ----------------------------------------------------------- NMBR LOCATION LO AREA Z LL NN MAG TYPE 7618 N06W86 340 0210 DAO 05 009 BETA 7620 N05W11 265 0230 ESI 11 028 BETA 7622 N13E34 220 0080 CAO 06 011 BETA 7621 S09W04 258 PLAGE REGIONS DUE TO RETURN 25 NOVEMBER TO 27 NOVEMBER NMBR LAT LO 7613 S12 155 LISTING OF SOLAR ENERGETIC EVENTS FOR 24 NOVEMBER, 1993 ------------------------------------------------------- BEGIN MAX END RGN LOC XRAY OP 245MHZ 10CM SWEEP 1527 1528 1529 2500 POSSIBLE CORONAL MASS EJECTION EVENTS FOR 24 NOVEMBER, 1993 ----------------------------------------------------------- BEGIN MAX END LOCATION TYPE SIZE DUR II IV NO EVENTS OBSERVED INFERRED CORONAL HOLES. LOCATIONS VALID AT 24/2400Z --------------------------------------------------- ISOLATED HOLES AND POLAR EXTENSIONS EAST SOUTH WEST NORTH CAR TYPE POL AREA OBSN 49 N48W38 N20W63 N25W71 N50W43 312 ISO POS 009 10830A 51 N30E67 S20E62 N10E45 N30E55 201 ISO POS 019 10830A SUMMARY OF FLARE EVENTS FOR THE PREVIOUS UTC DAY ------------------------------------------------ Date Begin Max End Xray Op Region Locn 2695 MHz 8800 MHz 15.4 GHz ------ ---- ---- ---- ---- -- ------ ------ --------- --------- --------- 23 Nov: 0813 0818 0824 B3.3 SF 7618 N04W61 1132 1139 1146 B5.2 1201 1205 1208 B3.8 SF 7622 N15E55 1630 1635 1644 B2.7 SF 7620 N03E04 1832 1838 1847 B4.0 2234 2238 2244 SF 7620 N03E03 REGION FLARE STATISTICS FOR THE PREVIOUS UTC DAY ------------------------------------------------ C M X S 1 2 3 4 Total (%) -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --- ------ Region 7618: 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 001 (16.7) Region 7620: 0 0 0 2 0 0 0 0 002 (33.3) Region 7622: 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 001 (16.7) Uncorrellated: 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 002 (33.3) Total Events: 006 optical and x-ray. EVENTS WITH SWEEPS AND/OR OPTICAL PHENOMENA FOR THE LAST UTC DAY ---------------------------------------------------------------- Date Begin Max End Xray Op Region Locn Sweeps/Optical Observations ------ ---- ---- ---- ---- -- ------ ------ --------------------------- NO EVENTS OBSERVED. NOTES: All times are in Universal Time (UT). Characters preceding begin, max, and end times are defined as: B = Before, U = Uncertain, A = After. All times associated with x-ray flares (ex. flares which produce associated x-ray bursts) refer to the begin, max, and end times of the x-rays. Flares which are not associated with x-ray signatures use the optical observations to determine the begin, max, and end times. Acronyms used to identify sweeps and optical phenomena include: II = Type II Sweep Frequency Event III = Type III Sweep IV = Type IV Sweep V = Type V Sweep Continuum = Continuum Radio Event Loop = Loop Prominence System, Spray = Limb Spray, Surge = Bright Limb Surge, EPL = Eruptive Prominence on the Limb. ** End of Daily Report ** ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1993 22:41:13 GMT From: spsgate!mogate!newsgate!nuntius@uunet.uu.net Subject: Emergency use of modified HT To: info-hams@ucsd.edu Subject: Emergency use of modified HT From: WB9VGJ, waco@cbnewst.cb.att.com In article <CGuno7.99J@cbnewst.cb.att.com> WB9VGJ, waco@cbnewst.cb.att.com writes: >As to the argument whether the ham that used the HT on the sheriff's department >frequency, here are the rules from Part 97: > >97.403 Safety of life and protection of property > > No provision of these rules prevents the use of an amateur station of > any means of radiocommunication at its disposal to provide essential > communication needs in connection with the immediate safety of human > life and immediate protection of property when normal communication > systems are not available. > >97.405 Station in distress > > (a) No provision of these rules prevents the use of an amateur > station in distress of any means at its disposal to attract attention, > make knows its condition and location, and obtain assistance. > > (b) No provision of these rules prevents the use by a station, in the > exceptional circumstances described in paragraph (a), of any means of > radiocommunications at its disposal to assist a station in distress. > >So, it is certainly clear to me that the actual use of the HT is 100% legal >according to the rules. However, the actual possession of the HT capable >of transmitting out of band might be another story. Still, these two sections >override any amateur band limits stated elsewhere in the rules. Not being >a lawyer, I can only interpret the rules for what they say, not what some >legal eagle might think they say. > >73, > >John, WB9VGJ > >========================================================= >John L. Broughton | snail mail: Room 1K-324 >AT&T | 1200 E. Warrenville Rd. > | P.O. Box 3045 > | Naperville, IL 60566-7045 > | (708) 713-4319 > | e-mail: john.l.broughton@att.com > | att!john.l.broughton > | air mail: WB9VGJ >========================================================= Well, I've read several postings from ARRL staff members. But none on this subject. Does the ARRL actually do anything useful? Or is soliciting dues the most activity they do? Isn't this a case crying out for an *energetic* national amateur radio association to correct before it gets out of hand? Does anybody know where we could find such an organization? ------------------------------ Date: 27 Nov 1993 21:25:33 -0600 From: munnari.oz.au!spool.mu.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!moe.ksu.ksu.edu!abc.ksu.ksu.edu!news@network.ucsd.edu Subject: FT530 receiver problems?? To: info-hams@ucsd.edu In article <2cges6$agf@eis.ctp.org> sadams@temp.ctp.org (Steven Adams) writes: >I have noticed that my FT530 receives some of our local repeaters when it >is tuned slightly off of the known freq. For example the 145.23 may come >in a little better at 145.225 and 145.235. Any ideas?? > >-- >____________________________________________________________________________ >Steven Adams >internet - sadams@ctp.org >HAM - KD6KGJ >Packet - KD6KGJ@n6qmy.#nocal.ca.usa.na > This is because of the wide bandwidth of FM transmissions (I believe). Because FM transmissions take up so much bandwidth, the transmissions can be heard slightly off-frequency. Hope this helps. 73 de N0YAX -. ----- -.-- .- -..- Jeremy Utley cbr600@matt.ksu.ksu.edu (Internet) cbr600@ksuvm (Bitnet) BXTH85A (Prodigy) n0yax@n0oer.#neks.ks.usa.na (Packet Radio) --- Standard Disclaimers Apply --- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Nov 1993 08:19:48 MST From: ucsnews!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!news.cyberstore.ca!nntp.cs.ubc.ca!alberta!nebulus!ve6mgs!usenet@network.ucsd.edu Subject: HAM-server index update To: info-hams@ucsd.edu HAM-server updated index ------------------------------------------------- The following has been changed: Moved /hamradio/packet/mlhacker to /hamradio/newsletters If you do not know how to use HAM-server, send email to HAM-server@GRAFex.sbay.org. In the text, place HELP. Orders must be sent to HAM-server. Orders sent to KA6ETB or HAMSinfo are ignored. If you are reading this from usenet, do not respond to this post. You must send email to HAM-server@GRAFex.sbay.org. A new INDEX is automatically generated weekly and when files are moved or added. The archives may contain the same file under different names. If you should run across one of these, please let me know with email to KA6ETB@GRAFex.sbay.org NOTE: Contributions are gratefully accepted. Send to incoming@grafex.sbay.org Send email with a short description (so I know where to put it) to KA6ETB@grafex.sbay.org ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Nov 93 10:47:03 EST From: mvb.saic.com!unogate!news.service.uci.edu!usc!howland.reston.ans.net!spool.mu.edu!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!noc.near.net!news.delphi.com!usenet@network.ucsd.edu Subject: HELP! IC28A ES COLD WX To: info-hams@ucsd.edu Bob, I'm not sure if both VFO and Memories are unlocking, or what. The main thing about synthesizers is: 1)Is the VCO still in "linear range", or is it maxed out at one of the limits? 2)Is the reference oscillator (5.12 Mhz?) still ticking? 3)A mixed oscillator might also be going out (I've seen crystals fail before). The actual synthesizer part usually outputs about 5-6 Mhz, and is mixed with another crystal oscillator/multiplied up. Bottom line, put the rig in the freezer, and check the crystal oscillators with a general coverage receiver with a clip lead near the oscillator to the antenna input of your g.c. receiver. Good Luck..73 Woody AK2F ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1993 20:26:05 GMT From: newsgate.watson.ibm.com!watnews.watson.ibm.com!hawnews.watson.ibm.com!news@uunet.uu.net Subject: IS there any FAQ ????? To: info-hams@ucsd.edu In <ks1.753938061@Ra.MsState.Edu>, ks1@Ra.MsState.Edu (Khurram Shahzad) writes: > > Well all this stuff sounds very interesting. I have a lot of questions. > Is there a faq ? Or any document that would explain some basic stuff to > me ??? I agree. A lot of readers would highly appreciate FAQ's in this newsgroup. That would eliminate duplicate questions and give fast answers to many. The scanner's stuff was just of general interest of mine. Yesterday I was on Santa Claus parade in Toronto. It's quite interesting and long street show. In a few hours everyone was asking each other "when Santa will arrive..?" No answers was gotten until some guy came by with a scanner in his hands. His was listening a transmissions between Global Television, their operators, police and some other services and gave us a most complete information about all further street and parade actions. I was quite impressed by this and start thinking about purchasing of scanner. Gleb Esman. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Nov 93 20:44:30 MST From: munnari.oz.au!spool.mu.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!asuvax!ennews!stat!david@network.ucsd.edu Subject: Logging program for casual contacts To: info-hams@ucsd.edu I'm looking for a program for logging casual contacts (vs contest operation) ... any suggestions? david --- Editor, HICNet Medical Newsletter Internet: david@stat.com FAX: +1 (602) 451-6135 Bitnet : ATW1H@ASUACAD ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1993 00:57:17 GMT From: swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!moe.ksu.ksu.edu!hobbes.physics.uiowa.edu!news.uiowa.edu!icaen!drenze@network.ucsd.edu Subject: MCW with an HTX-202??? To: info-hams@ucsd.edu I have a radio shack htx-202. I'm interested in netting with some other locals trying to up our code-speed via 2-meter MCW (until I get my HF rig on the air). Question: How could I do MCW with it? I'd prefer to use something which would key the transmitter semi-QSK-wise when I hit the code key--know what I mean? Any ideas? -- __ /| | Doug Renze, N0YVW | \'o.O' | +1 319 337 4664 | If you can read this you're too close. =(___)= | drenze@icaen.uiowa.edu | U | Douglas-Renze@uiowa.edu | ------------------------------ Date: 29 Nov 93 03:08:40 GMT From: world!slm@uunet.uu.net Subject: QSL route for ZF2SV/8? To: info-hams@ucsd.edu Greetings. I'm posting this on behalf of a friend without Internet access, who worked ZF2SV/8 while FW/G4DZC in October, 1992. No info in callbook or on DX cluster for QSL-ing. Any information much appreciated. 73, Sharon KC1YR -- electronic address: slm@world.std.com ------------------------------ Date: 22 Nov 93 15:40:50 edt From: newsflash.concordia.ca!altitude!mala.CAM.ORG!mala!Ranfry@uunet.uu.net Subject: rec.radio.amateur.packet To: info-hams@ucsd.edu Just wondering, did something happen to rec.radio.amateur.packet? Cause I don't seem to be receiving it any more. Please let me know. ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.12 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Nov 93 09:14:20 GMT From: munnari.oz.au!sgiblab!rpal.rockwell.com!headwall.Stanford.EDU!agate!howland.reston.ans.net!math.ohio-state.edu!magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu!cis.ohio-state.edu!mstar!n8emr!bulletin@network.ucsd.edu Subject: VK2SG RTTY DX Notes, 26 November To: info-hams@ucsd.edu ============================================================== | Automatic relayed from packet radio via | | N8EMR's Ham BBS, 614-895-2553 | ============================================================== SB DX @ ALLBBS $RTDX1126 VK2SG RTTY DX Notes, 26 November VK2SG RTTY DX Notes for week ending 26 November 1993 (BID RTDX1126) The bands have been poor again this week, and forecasts are not good. I would like to repeat some comments allready made before. It concerns the removal of the Bulletin Identification Number of the notes. During the week I received from Spain notes which I edited a month ago. The BID number has been removed and replaced with a local bid number. This has caused confusion and some BBSs suffer the multiple delivery of the DX notes with different BIDs. Please only pass on the received BID number. If you cannot do this, then allow someone else who can pass on the correct BID to do so. Our information this week came from ZS5S, W2JGR, WB2CJL, AA5AU, I5ICY, I5IGQ, IK1HSR, SP5AA, DJ3IW and the Central Eu Dx-Cluster node DB0SPC, and NJ0M node of the Twin Cities Dx Pck Cluster. Tnx for the help on putting this notes together. Bandpass: Friday 19 0145-14077 UA0SMF Zone 18 1303-21082 FH/DL5XU 2226-14078 8P6BU (PPBU) FEC Saturday 20 0730-14083 SV2BBJ 0734-14087 V73BN 0750-14085 XT2BW QSL WB2YQH 0905-14083 EA6NB 1020-14086 HK4DF 1345-14084 KC6SH QSL JK1QNK 1501-14087 FR5FI 1519-21089 CP1FF 1521-14085 IS0HMB 2228--7036 SU1AH Sunday 21 0829-14085 KC6HY 0905-14087 9H1ET 0933-14083 TA5C 0935-14085 RT7U 0940-14084 YU1NR 0958-21085 EA8ATE 1012-21085 Z32JA 1119-21087 UN5PR 1301-14080 ZC4ML 1400-21086 TY1PS 1420-21082 FH/DL5XU QSX up QSL DL5XU 1650-14086 FG5GI 1705-14087 HP1XVI 2257-14087 YV1AVO Monday 22 1316-14086 UN5PR 1345-14082 LA2QAA 1345-14082 LZ1DB 1515-14087 GI4SRQ 1634-14086 GW4WQQ Tuesday 23 0711-14081 9D2UU QSL LZ2UU Jordan Radkov Yankov, Box 196, 7200 Razgrad, Bulgaria 0615-14083 UH8AAB QSL Box 117, Ashkabad 744035, Turkmenistan 1428-14082 VQ9FM 1430-14082 9H1ET Wednesday 24 0916-14087 LZ1DB 0950-14087 RT7U 1000-14083 UA0SMF 1023-14082 9D2UU 1250-14087 UH8AAB 1250-14086 UW3AT 1255-14087 J28JJ 1520-14083 9K2IC Thursday 25 0643-14080 FK8GS 0709-14084 9V1VN 0714-14087 ZL2BHM 0736-14083 WL7EF 0805-14086 UH8AAB 1210-21070 3B8FW (BBFW) FEC 1458-14090 WB8YJF/VP9 Notes of Interest: SOUTH COOK. A group of JA's will be QRV 160 through 10 meter from November 25 on CW, SSB and RTTY. Send your bandpass and notes for next week to Bob, WB2CJL @ W5KSI.#NOLA.LA.USA.NA or WB2CJL @ ZS5S.ZAF.AF. GL de (DX2) Luciano, I5FLN @ ZS5S.ZAF.AF /EX SP KT7H @ N7DUO.WA.USA.NA ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Nov 1993 15:16:55 GMT From: noc.near.net!lynx!chaos.dac!wy1z@uunet.uu.net Subject: World via Gopher To: info-hams@ucsd.edu Something I forgot to include in my last message regarding accessing the Boston Amateur Radio Club's FTP area via gopher on world.std.com: To reach the BARC's area, from the main menu: Select #14 - Membership and Professional Associations Then #3 - Boston Amateur Radio Club That's it! Enjoy, and happy browsing! P.S. To access the World via gopher, just type: gopher world.std.com P.P.S. To access the World via FTP, just type: ftp world.std.com 73, Scott -- =============================================================================== | Scott Ehrlich Internet: wy1z@neu.edu | | Amateur Radio: wy1z AX.25: wy1z@n0ary.#nocal.ca.usa.na | |-----------------------------------------------------------------------------| | Maintainer of the Boston Amateur Radio Club hamradio FTP area on | | the World - world.std.com /pub/hamradio | =============================================================================== ------------------------------ Date: 22 Nov 1993 22:17:11 GMT From: organpipe.uug.arizona.edu!helium!hlester@uunet.uu.net To: info-hams@ucsd.edu References <1993Nov19.142433.19962@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu>, <CGwLJ5.4K8@fc.hp.com>, <2cr56u$c2s@apple.com> Subject : Re: CW QSO's, New hams who need practice read this!! In article <2cr56u$c2s@apple.com>, Kok Chen <kchen@apple.com> wrote: >> >>Send mail, and we can set up a schedule. > Add me to the list, too. I will work you at whatever speed you like. 40 meters is best for me, but 15 is available, too, on weekends. Howard KE7QJ E-mail direct to hlester@as.arizona.edu, NOT to the address listed on the header! ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Nov 1993 22:37:04 GMT From: swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!darwin.sura.net!gatekeeper.es.dupont.com!esds01.es.dupont.com!COLLINST%esvx19.es.dupont.com@network.ucsd.edu To: info-hams@ucsd.edu References <CH61HE.BF7@news.Hawaii.Edu>, <1993Nov23.194146.9573@es.dupont.com>, <1993Nov24.00,<CH808J.L7B@freenet.carleton.ca>om Reply-To : collinst@esvx19.es.dupont.com Subject : Re: Miss Manners in the Novice Sub-bands? G's silliness. In article <CH808J.L7B@freenet.carleton.ca>, aj467@Freenet.carleton.ca (Bill Macpherson) writes: > >In a previous article, collinst@esvx19.es.dupont.com (Thomas Collins WI3P) says: > >>In article <CH68H2.1zy@freenet.carleton.ca>, aj467@Freenet.carleton.ca (Bill Macpherson) writes: >>> >>>Since language inherently includes Spelling, and Grammar. >> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >> Do we therfore just throw out all the cultures >> who never have had a written language? I don't >> think so. > >No, but let's let those who speak morse, speak morse, of course, of course. >And the name of that Horse of course of course, is the wonderful Mr ED. Are you one of those Coders who is suffering from hardening of the arteries or such as Gary likes to say? Just wondering because of your snappy comeback...... ;-) 73, Tom WI3P collinst@esvax.dnet.dupont.com or collinst@world.std.com "Shutup and sit down you moron!"...Ben Stern *** MY EMPLOYER DOESN'T SPEAK FOR ME NOR I FOR THEM **** ------------------------------ End of Info-Hams Digest V93 #1399 ****************************** ******************************