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Info-Hams Digest Thu, 25 Nov 93 Volume 93 : Issue 1384
Today's Topics:
210XL Bearcat Scanner to read 1012Mhz?
Daily Summary of Solar Geophysical Activity for 22 November
Emergency use of modified HT
FBB v5.15
How useful are DSP units in noisy loca
IS there any FAQ ?????
New "pizza" policy?
rec.radio.amateur.misc ARCHIVES ??
rec.radio.amateur.packet
Those triangles on the AM dial.....
Use of HT for Marine & GMRS
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Date: 23 Nov 93 12:39:57 CST
From: timbuk.cray.com!hemlock.cray.com!mahogany30!n3022@uunet.uu.net
Subject: 210XL Bearcat Scanner to read 1012Mhz?
To: info-hams@ucsd.edu
I am posting on behalf of my father, a retired
news photographer who was out there in the action
almost every day. Since retirement, most of the
"action" he has experienced has been through
shortwave (and scanner) monitoring. He has listened to
the local police dept for years on 154Mhz. Now the
city hall has purchased 900Mhz equipment and have left
him in the dark.
Rather than buying a new scanner, my father is wondering
if there is a converter that will double the upper-end
frequency capability of his 210XL Bearcat Scanner from
512Mhz to 1012Mhz. Has anyone run across one?
Thanks for your help,
Jim
n3022@cray.com
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Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1993 20:58:54 MST
From: ucsnews!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!emory!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!library.ucla.edu!news.mic.ucla.edu!unixg.ubc.ca!nntp.cs.ubc.ca!alberta!adec23!ve6mgs!usenet@network.ucsd.edu
Subject: Daily Summary of Solar Geophysical Activity for 22 November
To: info-hams@ucsd.edu
/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\
DAILY SUMMARY OF SOLAR GEOPHYSICAL ACTIVITY
22 NOVEMBER, 1993
/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\
(Based In-Part On SESC Observational Data)
SOLAR AND GEOPHYSICAL ACTIVITY INDICES FOR 22 NOVEMBER, 1993
------------------------------------------------------------
!!BEGIN!! (1.0) S.T.D. Solar Geophysical Data Broadcast for DAY 326, 11/22/93
10.7 FLUX=099.3 90-AVG=094 SSN=075 BKI=2110 1211 BAI=003
BGND-XRAY=B1.4 FLU1=5.7E+05 FLU10=1.2E+04 PKI=1211 1222 PAI=005
BOU-DEV=010,009,008,004,008,010,008,009 DEV-AVG=008 NT SWF=00:000
XRAY-MAX= C1.0 @ 1035UT XRAY-MIN= B1.2 @ 1547UT XRAY-AVG= B1.8
NEUTN-MAX= +002% @ 0955UT NEUTN-MIN= -002% @ 1310UT NEUTN-AVG= -0.0%
PCA-MAX= +0.1DB @ 1155UT PCA-MIN= -0.2DB @ 2125UT PCA-AVG= +0.0DB
BOUTF-MAX=55358NT @ 2359UT BOUTF-MIN=55335NT @ 1923UT BOUTF-AVG=55352NT
GOES7-MAX=P:+000NT@ 0000UT GOES7-MIN=N:+000NT@ 0000UT G7-AVG=+079,+000,+000
GOES6-MAX=P:+127NT@ 1749UT GOES6-MIN=N:-060NT@ 1053UT G6-AVG=+098,+017,-034
FLUXFCST=STD:099,099,096;SESC:099,099,096 BAI/PAI-FCST=020,010,010/025,015,010
KFCST=4455 5333 3334 4222 27DAY-AP=014,041 27DAY-KP=2132 2434 4466 6433
WARNINGS=*SWF
ALERTS=
!!END-DATA!!
NOTE: The Effective Sunspot Number for 21 NOV 93 was 31.0.
The Full Kp Indices for 21 NOV 93 are: 2- 2- 1+ 2- 2- 2- 2- 1+
SYNOPSIS OF ACTIVITY
--------------------
Solar activity was low due to a single C1 flare at
22/1034Z from an unknown source. The delta configuration in
Region 7618 (N07W59) faded. Region 7622 (N13E17) showed itself
as a small D-class group. Region 7620 (N05E17) stabilized as a
small D-class group.
Solar activity forecast: solar activity should be mostly
low. An isolated M-class flare remains possible from Region
7618 and to a lesser degree from Region 7622.
STD: Moderate Ca XV emissions and strong Fe XIV and Fe X
emissions were associated with the passage of Region 7622 onto
the disk over the weekend. Associated coronal plots and maps
are available through anonymous ftp at: ftp.uleth.ca in the
directories "pub/solar/Corona/Scans" and "pub/solar/Corona/Maps".
A full-disk Yohkoh x-ray image has been appended to this
report, taken at approximately 03:10 UTC on 22 November.
The geomagnetic field remained quiet.
Geophysical activity forecast: the geomagnetic field
should become generally active on 23 Nov due to a favorably
positioned coronal hole. This disturbance is expected to
continue into the early hours of 24 Nov. Generally unsettled
conditions are forecast for the remainder of 24 Nov and all
of 25 Nov.
Event probabilities 23 nov-25 nov
Class M 25/25/25
Class X 05/05/05
Proton 05/05/05
PCAF Green
Geomagnetic activity probabilities 23 nov-25 nov
A. Middle Latitudes
Active 35/25/20
Minor Storm 20/15/10
Major-Severe Storm 10/05/01
B. High Latitudes
Active 40/35/30
Minor Storm 20/20/10
Major-Severe Storm 10/05/01
HF propagation conditions were normal over all regions.
Minor signal degradation is expected over transpolar and
transauroral paths over the next 24 hours. Conditions should
return to near-normal by 25 November.
COPIES OF JOINT USAF/NOAA SESC SOLAR GEOPHYSICAL REPORTS
========================================================
REGIONS WITH SUNSPOTS. LOCATIONS VALID AT 22/2400Z NOVEMBER
-----------------------------------------------------------
NMBR LOCATION LO AREA Z LL NN MAG TYPE
7618 N07W58 339 0350 DAI 07 026 BETA
7620 N05E16 265 0070 DSO 07 014 BETA
7622 N13E59 222 0060 DAO 08 005 BETA
7621 S09E22 259 PLAGE
REGIONS DUE TO RETURN 23 NOVEMBER TO 25 NOVEMBER
NMBR LAT LO
7613 S12 155
LISTING OF SOLAR ENERGETIC EVENTS FOR 22 NOVEMBER, 1993
-------------------------------------------------------
BEGIN MAX END RGN LOC XRAY OP 245MHZ 10CM SWEEP
2009 2009 2010 620
POSSIBLE CORONAL MASS EJECTION EVENTS FOR 22 NOVEMBER, 1993
-----------------------------------------------------------
BEGIN MAX END LOCATION TYPE SIZE DUR II IV
22/2321 2333 23/0004 LDE B3.7 43
INFERRED CORONAL HOLES. LOCATIONS VALID AT 22/2400Z
---------------------------------------------------
ISOLATED HOLES AND POLAR EXTENSIONS
EAST SOUTH WEST NORTH CAR TYPE POL AREA OBSN
NO DATA AVAILABLE FOR ANALYSIS
SUMMARY OF FLARE EVENTS FOR THE PREVIOUS UTC DAY
------------------------------------------------
Date Begin Max End Xray Op Region Locn 2695 MHz 8800 MHz 15.4 GHz
------ ---- ---- ---- ---- -- ------ ------ --------- --------- ---------
21 Nov: 1028 1031 1041 B2.5
1047 1103 1125 B8.2
2058 2107 2114 B6.4
2202 2212 2224 B3.6 SF 7620 N02E39
2340 2347 2357 B3.5
REGION FLARE STATISTICS FOR THE PREVIOUS UTC DAY
------------------------------------------------
C M X S 1 2 3 4 Total (%)
-- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --- ------
Region 7620: 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 001 (20.0)
Uncorrellated: 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 004 (80.0)
Total Events: 005 optical and x-ray.
EVENTS WITH SWEEPS AND/OR OPTICAL PHENOMENA FOR THE LAST UTC DAY
----------------------------------------------------------------
Date Begin Max End Xray Op Region Locn Sweeps/Optical Observations
------ ---- ---- ---- ---- -- ------ ------ ---------------------------
NO EVENTS OBSERVED.
NOTES:
All times are in Universal Time (UT). Characters preceding begin, max,
and end times are defined as: B = Before, U = Uncertain, A = After.
All times associated with x-ray flares (ex. flares which produce
associated x-ray bursts) refer to the begin, max, and end times of the
x-rays. Flares which are not associated with x-ray signatures use the
optical observations to determine the begin, max, and end times.
Acronyms used to identify sweeps and optical phenomena include:
II = Type II Sweep Frequency Event
III = Type III Sweep
IV = Type IV Sweep
V = Type V Sweep
Continuum = Continuum Radio Event
Loop = Loop Prominence System,
Spray = Limb Spray,
Surge = Bright Limb Surge,
EPL = Eruptive Prominence on the Limb.
SPECIAL INSERT: CURRENT X-RAY EMISSIONS FROM THE JAPANESE YOHKOH SPACECRAFT
===========================================================================
22 November 1993, 03:10 UTC
North
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South
KEY: East and west limbs are to the left and right respectively. Emission
strength, from minimum to maximum are coded in the following way:
[space] . , : ; - + | ! 1 2 3 4 * # @
Units used are arbitrary, for illustrative purposes. Get "showasc.zip"
from "pub/solar/Software" at the anonymous FTP site: xi.uleth.ca
(IP # 142.66.3.29) to view these images on VGA screens.
** End of Daily Report **
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Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1993 20:18:41 GMT
From: news.Hawaii.Edu!uhunix3.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu!jherman@ames.arpa
Subject: Emergency use of modified HT
To: info-hams@ucsd.edu
In article <1993Nov23.170234.7572@newsgate.sps.mot.com> Jim Jaskie <jim_jaskie@tempeqm.sps.mot.com> writes:
>
>I suppose I expect a national organization that represents the hobby in
>government affairs to occasionally make a stink or a comment when things
>show indications of going in a bad direction. I agree that the fellow
>involved with the Sheriff's Department needs a lawyer and a national
>organization (ARRL) can't replace that. However, the ARRL can contact
>the Sheriff and express their opinion on the use of emergency
>transmissions. They can contact the FCC and express their opinions.
>
>History is nothing but a pack of tricks that we play upon the dead.
>- Voltaire
I highly doubt the SO is going to care what the ARRL thinks. Reading
the posts about this topic I didn't observe that the problem was
between the ham and the SO; the friction is between the ham and the
FCC. The ham was given the choice to hand over his HT to the local RACES
group or to receive the NAL; if he had chose he could have appeared
before the FCC to appeal. But again, this is between him and the FCC.
If the ARRL were to get involved in defending hams to the FCC your
membership dues would be 10X what they currently are. {There was
an article from the ARRL many months ago discussing this very topic -
quite a bit of their budget goes for legal defense as I recall -
someone please amplify this.}
Now, it was asked if the ARRL ever does anything useful and I suggested
one study the history of ham radio - that means from day one up through
yesterday. No one would have the time to list everything the ARRL has
done for our hobby, so you'll have to look for yourself.
This is not a new hobby. What has occured before us has set the stage
for where we are today. But I realize that a young ham of today
would think [s]he has nothing to gain from doing a bit of historical
reading; much easier to tap on one's keyboard and complain.
``Those who choose not to learn from history are destined to repeat
the mistakes of previous generations'' or something like that.
Jeff NH6IL (a 39-year-old O.F.)
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Date: 21 Nov 93 12:06:30 GMT
From: gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!demon!cdc.demon.co.uk!det@rutgers.rutgers.edu
Subject: FBB v5.15
To: info-hams@ucsd.edu
someone was asking about FBB versions. FBB v5.15 has been uploaded
to ftp.demon.co.uk by myself. Filename is FBB515.ARJ
Regard Dave G6DKB @GB7HAS.#38.GBR.EU
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Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1993 13:05:55 GMT
From: mdisea!mothost!lmpsbbs!news@uunet.uu.net
Subject: How useful are DSP units in noisy loca
To: info-hams@ucsd.edu
In article 23136@worldbank.org, dearnshaw@worldbank.org (Darrell Earnshaw) writes:
}Dave,
} Unfortunately, a lot of the radio communication that we deal with are pile-ups
}(because of our call: 4U1WB), and for this, the unit is virtually useless.
}
} Having said this... Most of the posts on this newsgroup that refer to the
}NIR-10 don't give it a good write up. I haven't any experience with other
}units, but the Timestep seems to be favoured among other members of the
}newsgroup.
}
}Good Luck, Darrell (NR3Y)
I know two people in the area who have NIR-10's and they love them. In one case
the fellow who bought his did so because he had line noise that was S9. he can
now copy signals that are normally unreadable.
As far as pile-ups go, nothing is going to help that, the human brain is still the
best filter. Some types of noise will fool the unit.
The noise has to display some non-randomness to it so the unit can lock on and
"filter" it out. I put filter in quote marks because the DSP unit
gets rid of the noise by a mathematical process of inversion.
Good luck,
Bruce, WB4YUC
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Date: 22 Nov 93 03:14:21 GMT
From: nntp.ucsb.edu!mustang.mst6.lanl.gov!nntp-server.caltech.edu!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!emory!nntp.msstate.edu!Ra.MsState.Edu!ks1@network.ucsd.edu
Subject: IS there any FAQ ?????
To: info-hams@ucsd.edu
Well all this stuff sounds very interesting. I have a lot of questions.
Is there a faq ? Or any document that would explain some basic stuff to
me ???
Shahzad
shahzad@isis.msstate.edu
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Date: 25 Nov 93 01:28:01 GMT
From: ogicse!uwm.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!sdd.hp.com!col.hp.com!srgenprp!mikew@network.ucsd.edu
Subject: New "pizza" policy?
To: info-hams@ucsd.edu
David Van Nuys (vannuysd@sonoma.edu) wrote:
: Can anyone tell me where I can get the new, more relaxed policy on using
: autopatch for ordering pizzas etc?
Hi, David!
Here's the scoop:
From: bote@access.digex.net (John Boteler)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.policy,rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Order pizza on your autopatch now
Date: 18 Jul 1993 02:39:42 -0400
15 July 1993
Action in Docket Case PR Docket 92-136
"The Commission has amended the amateur service rules
in order to allow amateur operators more flexibility to
provide communications for public service projects as
well as to enhance the value of the amateur service in
satisfying personal communications needs."
Among the types of communications no longer restricted
by FCC rules and regulations are: collecting data
for the National Weather Service (aren't we doing
this already?!), facilitating events such as races
and parades (ditto), and making appointments and
*ordering food*. This is not a drill, it actually
says ordering food is no longer restricted.
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Date: 22 Nov 1993 03:24:31 GMT
From: nntp.ucsb.edu!mustang.mst6.lanl.gov!nntp-server.caltech.edu!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!gatech!mailer.acns.fsu.edu!freenet.scri.fsu.edu!twright@network.ucsd.edu
Subject: rec.radio.amateur.misc ARCHIVES ??
To: info-hams@ucsd.edu
Are the rec.radio.amateur.misc post saved somewhere that is FTP able
What I am looking for is the post about Gateways I want a list of
all the gateways. I already belong to the BBS.ARASMITH bbs but my
Inquiry is to help another ham set his bbs up to access the internet.
For Buck Duley KA4DRZ
de
Tim Wright KD4OVM
Please reply to the following address:
T.Wright@msuacad.morehead-st.edu
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Date: 23 Nov 1993 09:04:13 -0600
From: news.cerf.net!pagesat!olivea!sgigate.sgi.com!sgiblab!swrinde!gatech!concert!corpgate!crchh327.bnr.ca!kharker@network.ucsd.edu
Subject: rec.radio.amateur.packet
To: info-hams@ucsd.edu
5522 CW stinks [70] Derek Wills In article <11221993.154050@mala.cam.org>, ranfry@mala.cam.org (Ranfry) writes:
|>
|> Just wondering, did something happen to
|> rec.radio.amateur.packet? Cause I don't seem to be receiving it any
|> more. Please let me know.
Yes, rec.radio.amateur.packet was obsoleted. The new, replacment
group at the moment is rec.radio.digital.misc. In not too many months,
there will be a vote to create a few more groups in the digital hierarchy,
notably rec.radio.amateur.digital.packet and rec.radio.amateur.digital.tcpip.
For the moment, however, all discussion of digital stuff is in
rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc.
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Kenneth E. Harker BNR "Any opinions expressed
kharker@bnr.ca Richardson, Texas, USA are solely mine and do
N1PVB (214) 684-5115 not represent BNR"
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Date: 24 Nov 93 05:27:37 -0600
From: elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!gatech!news-feed-2.peachnet.edu!umn.edu!msus1.msus.edu!vax1.mankato.msus.edu!dj1@decwrl.dec.com
Subject: Those triangles on the AM dial.....
To: info-hams@ucsd.edu
>From: tobin@yellow.mmm.com (Steve Tobin)
>Subject:Re: CONELRAD-what was it?
>Date: Tue, 23 Nov 93 17:38:06 GMT
>Message-ID:<tobin.754076181@mmm.com>
>ab510@Freenet.carleton.ca (George W. Attallah) writes:
>
>
>>I have an early 50s bc reciever with triangular symbols at 640 and 1240 khz.
>>I have been told that these were for CONELRAD. Are there any old timers
>>out there who can fill me in on this? TNX.
>
>>--
>>GEORGE ATTALLAH-"THE LAST SURVIVOR OF THE GROUP OF ONE"
>
>All of a sudden I feel very old....
>
Hello,
I am rather on the young side (23) but from working in radio this is
what I got. The Triangles are from the CIVIL DEFENSE and according to the
Civil Defense paperwork that I read after all of the stations would receive the
2 tone EBS alert and hook up to the system the president or governor wuld give
an announcement and then all stations (AM) were to go off the air EXCEPT for
those having a frequency assignment of 1240 and 640 khz. The signs were placed
on radios so that everybody would know where to tune if all other stations
couldn't be received. That AM station south of us was 1240 and they had the
luxury of constantly receiving backup transmitters (3!) and generators that
could run off of diesel or natural gas or..... (you get the picture). Just a
efficent network that was left over from the cold war and bomb shelters.
Sean Stepanek (not an O.F. yet!) DJ1@VAX1.MANKATO.MSUS.EDU
N0PBA@N0PBA.MN.USA.NA
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Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1993 14:36:13 GMT
From: ucsnews!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!utnut!torn!news.ccs.queensu.ca!venus!pas@network.ucsd.edu
Subject: Use of HT for Marine & GMRS
To: info-hams@ucsd.edu
In article <22NOV199322034774@erich.triumf.ca>, bennett@erich.triumf.ca (P.Bennett) writes:
|> In article <93326.174137MGB@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>, <MGB@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> writes...
|> >I have seen various discussions about using the out of band frequencies
|> >on a Amateur band tranceiver for Marine, GMRS or other services.
|> In Canada, and also in the US according to previous discussion on this topic,
BTW: I believe the DOC has been renamed to
ISC (Industry Science Canada)
trivial, I know.
Peter
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Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1993 19:41:46 GMT
From: concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!news-feed-2.peachnet.edu!darwin.sura.net!gatekeeper.es.dupont.com!esds01.es.dupont.com!COLLINST%esvx19.es.dupont.com@decwrl.dec.com
To: info-hams@ucsd.edu
References <CGMqAI.2J0@news.Hawaii.Edu>, <1993Nov18.135508.3660@ke4zv.atl.ga.us>, <1993Nov19.003753.27665@es.dupont.com>,<1993Nov23.110449.29254@ke4zv.atl.ga.us>
Reply-To : collinst@esvx19.es.dupont.com
Subject : Re: Miss Manners in the Novice Sub-bands?
In article <1993Nov23.110449.29254@ke4zv.atl.ga.us>, gary@ke4zv.atl.ga.us (Gary Coffman) writes:
>In article <1993Nov19.003753.27665@es.dupont.com> collinst@esvx19.es.dupont.com writes:
>>
>>Webster's New Collegiate Dictionary
>>
>>language - b (2): a systematic means of communicating ideas or feelings
>> by the use of conventionalized signs, sounds, gestures,
>> or marks having understood meanings.
>>
>>By the above Morse Code fills the bill as well as Sign Language.
>
>Well let's see what my Thorndike and Barnhart has to say about the
>matter.
>
>language n. 1 human speech, spoken or written
> 2 the speech used by one nation, tribe, or large group of
> people
> 3 a form, style, or kind of language; manner of expression:
> bad or strong language
> 4 wording or words
> 5 the special terms used in a science, art, or profession:
> computer language
>
>Following is clarifying discussion re language, dialect, and idiom
>appended to the definition of language.
>
>"Language applies to the body of words, forms, and patterns of sounds
>and structure making up the speech of a people, nation, or group of
>people. Dialect applies to a form of speech peculiar to one locality
>or district of the geographical territory of a language. Idiom applies
>to a particular language's characteristic manner of using words in
>phrases and sentences."
>
>So we see that Morse is merely an encoding of alphabet, not a
>language composed of words and structure capable of expressing
>ideas. There's a footnote near the chart of Morse encodings noting
>it's an obsolete form primarily used by telegraphers prior to modern
>times.
>
>Gary
Well, I guess our definitions aren't too much different
since yours also refers to "...words, forms, and patterns
of sounds..." hmmmm sort of could fit the bill also
for CW (excuse me, you don't like that, Morse Code.)
I don't know what your experience with CW has been,
but I image a negative one from all your anti-Morse-Code
postings.
No matter what you, I or anyone else thinks....the CW
requirement is with us by International Treaty, and
I don't think any of us will be around if they decide
to drop it. (And no, I'm not an OF by any means, I'm
not even close to the ARRL "average" age yet.).
The FCC has made a place for Code/No-Code Amateurs alike.
Since most of the posts I have read about "No Coders"
being the Future of Ham radio, and will advance Amateur
Radio more than the Amateurs of the past, they have
6 meters on up to do it with. For the CW bunch we have
our HF frequencies to ragchew with each other in our
"out moded, dying, antique (did I leave any out)"
Morse Code. And, if we pass a bit of traffic, help
out with the occassional SOS, H&W Traffic, CW training,
etc. etc. for others.....we won't let that get in
anyones way.
You, Gary want code to go away or I believe give away
the little HF we have to turn it into 11 meters. I
don't think you'll be seeing it too soon.....
73, Tom WI3P collinst@esvax.dnet.dupont.com or collinst@world.std.com
"Shutup and sit down you moron!"...Ben Stern
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