Date: Mon, 22 Nov 93 04:30:08 PST
From: Info-Hams Mailing List and Newsgroup <info-hams@ucsd.edu>
Errors-To: Info-Hams-Errors@UCSD.Edu
Reply-To: Info-Hams@UCSD.Edu
Precedence: Bulk
Subject: Info-Hams Digest V93 #1374
To: Info-Hams


Info-Hams Digest            Mon, 22 Nov 93       Volume 93 : Issue 1374

Today's Topics:
                Miss Manners in the Novice Sub-bands?
                      ORBS$323.2L.AMSAT (2 msgs)
                  Reaching ham-radio buffs in India

Send Replies or notes for publication to: <Info-Hams@UCSD.Edu>
Send subscription requests to: <Info-Hams-REQUEST@UCSD.Edu>
Problems you can't solve otherwise to brian@ucsd.edu.

Archives of past issues of the Info-Hams Digest are available 
(by FTP only) from UCSD.Edu in directory "mailarchives/info-hams".

We trust that readers are intelligent enough to realize that all text
herein consists of personal comments and does not represent the official
policies or positions of any party.  Your mileage may vary.  So there.
----------------------------------------------------------------------

Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1993 15:32:57 GMT
From: usc!sdd.hp.com!hpscit.sc.hp.com!cupnews0.cup.hp.com!jholly@network.ucsd.edu
Subject: Miss Manners in the Novice Sub-bands?
To: info-hams@ucsd.edu

The higher class licenses have privilleges in those bands, so they can
use them. But what make you think they are not a novice or tech? Your 
post did not indicate that they were clearly a higher class, just that
they used higher speed code. I've worked novice/techs that had no problem
with my code speed. And I've worked other extras in the novice bands.
I've also found some nice DX around 21.140, both calling cq and answering
mine.

During novice roundup, I will go and spend some time trying to hand out
contacts. So many extras would answer my cq that I had to sign /E. 

Sometimes, especially on 80, one is limited by the antenna. Perhaps one 
or both could only get down to the novice sub band because his antenna
was cut for the phone band. So CW contacts on the 80 novice sub band
was all they could do.

I guess the short answer to your question is there is not an accepted
practice of not using the novice sub band if you have a higher class
license. Except, of course, on 40 meters.

73, Jim, WA6SDM
jholly@cup.hp.com
 

------------------------------

Date: 19 Nov 93 13:49:00 GMT
From: news-mail-gateway@ucsd.edu
Subject: ORBS$323.2L.AMSAT
To: info-hams@ucsd.edu

SB KEPS @ AMSAT  $ORBS-323.N
2Line Orbital Elements 323.AMSAT

HR AMSAT ORBITAL ELEMENTS FOR AMATEUR SATELLITES IN NASA FORMAT
FROM WA5QGD FORT WORTH,TX November 19, 1993
BID: $ORBS-323.N

DECODE 2-LINE ELSETS WITH THE FOLLOWING KEY:
1 AAAAAU 00  0  0 BBBBB.BBBBBBBB  .CCCCCCCC  00000-0  00000-0 0  DDDZ
2 AAAAA EEE.EEEE FFF.FFFF GGGGGGG HHH.HHHH III.IIII JJ.JJJJJJJJKKKKKZ
KEY: A-CATALOGNUM B-EPOCHTIME C-DECAY D-ELSETNUM E-INCLINATION F-RAAN
G-ECCENTRICITY H-ARGPERIGEE I-MNANOM J-MNMOTION K-ORBITNUM Z-CHECKSUM

TO ALL RADIO AMATEURS BT

AO-10
1 14129U 83058B   93321.57691393 -.00000112  00000-0  10000-3 0  2118
2 14129  27.1956 355.7539 6019652 131.0023 299.1524  2.05880635 78414
UO-11
1 14781U 84021B   93320.59791365  .00000224  00000-0  41964-4 0  6126
2 14781  97.7971 340.1743 0010901 227.3657 132.6634 14.69084435519091
RS-10/11
1 18129U 87054A   93320.53837545  .00000061  00000-0  60485-4 0  8120
2 18129  82.9209 126.0240 0010352 256.4589 103.5413 13.72326438320740
AO-13
1 19216U 88051B   93315.34314830 -.00000053  00000-0  10000-4 0  8137
2 19216  57.8997 284.7483 7226538 327.9276   3.4613  2.09719999 41435
FO-20
1 20480U 90013C   93310.07362541 -.00000005  00000-0  14874-4 0  6071
2 20480  99.0217 139.2984 0541030 125.0547 240.2545 12.83221816175512
AO-21
1 21087U 91006A   93320.47796564  .00000084  00000-0  82657-4 0  3683
2 21087  82.9418 300.1208 0034449 319.1873  40.6687 13.74528168140362
RS-12/13
1 21089U 91007A   93317.61990766  .00000004  00000-0 -23873-5 0  6129
2 21089  82.9233 171.3110 0029494 351.2997   8.7626 13.74029180139048
ARSENE
1 22654U 93031B   93319.82294071 -.00000052  00000-0  10000-3 0  2099
2 22654   1.4256 113.1022 2930832 161.7997 211.8626  1.42202608  2728
UO-14
1 20437U 90005B   93320.70053268  .00000071  00000-0  35429-4 0  9128
2 20437  98.6062  43.2321 0011712  93.9046 266.3482 14.29803677199228
AO-16
1 20439U 90005D   93320.27451247  .00000064  00000-0  32755-4 0  7120
2 20439  98.6124  43.8287 0012274  95.5349 264.7257 14.29860785199173
DO-17
1 20440U 90005E   93320.66928486  .00000060  00000-0  31121-4 0  7121
2 20440  98.6144  44.4763 0012250  94.2945 265.9628 14.29997894199240
WO-18
1 20441U 90005F   93320.22118847  .00000057  00000-0  29710-4 0  7134
2 20441  98.6142  44.0490 0012764  95.8251 264.4402 14.29975696199182
LO-19
1 20442U 90005G   93320.70317511  .00000061  00000-0  31205-4 0  7123
2 20442  98.6151  44.7345 0013139  93.7468 266.5215 14.30068015199267
UO-22
1 21575U 91050B   93320.68042724  .00000105  00000-0  42463-4 0  4124
2 21575  98.4578  34.2356 0006986 200.1876 159.9027 14.36865218122562
KO-23
1 22077U 92052B   93320.59051504  .00000000  00000-0  10000-3 0  3091
2 22077  66.0900   5.1031 0005093 341.0856  18.9960 12.86281800 59446
AO-27
1 22825U 93061C   93320.66241511  .00000070  00000-0  36625-4 0  2111
2 22825  98.6771  33.3777 0009303 106.2143 254.0076 14.27590086  7363
IO-26
1 22826U 93061D   93320.65872634  .00000073  00000-0  37587-4 0  2129
2 22826  98.6768  33.3808 0009869 107.8468 252.3794 14.27692506  7367
KO-25
1 22830U 93061H   93319.73628661  .00000064  00000-0  33726-4 0  2121
2 22830  98.5788  31.9792 0012486  82.0123 278.2466 14.28016160  7236
NOAA-9
1 15427U 84123A   93321.67817478  .00000105  00000-0  66146-4 0  6128
2 15427  99.0821   4.3682 0015882  95.7490 264.5523 14.13562457460466
NOAA-10
1 16969U 86073A   93315.75032400  .00000081  00000-0  42765-4 0  5091
2 16969  98.5140 326.3695 0012248 244.0314 115.9574 14.24842726371642
MET-2/17
1 18820U 88005A   93319.86072672  .00000065  00000-0  52347-4 0  2116
2 18820  82.5421  78.2816 0017893  61.8037 298.4910 13.84697554292837
MET-3/2
1 19336U 88064A   93319.83299665  .00000043  00000-0  10000-3 0  2119
2 19336  82.5384 114.6617 0017926  77.8342 282.4811 13.16962335255171
NOAA-11
1 19531U 88089A   93315.67695101  .00000165  00000-0  99084-4 0  4090
2 19531  99.1508 294.5292 0012515  27.3413 332.8509 14.12931327264500
MET-2/18
1 19851U 89018A   93320.51300057  .00000045  00000-0  35160-4 0  2124
2 19851  82.5191 313.4772 0015680 100.7230 259.5690 13.84349177238266
MET-3/3
1 20305U 89086A   93320.32104910  .00000043  00000-0  10000-3 0  9135
2 20305  82.5525  57.5423 0017403  95.7518 264.5640 13.16021908195110
MET-2/19
1 20670U 90057A   93320.64092393  .00000015  00000-0  79036-5 0  7128
2 20670  82.5491  17.2997 0016711  28.5586 331.6512 13.84181803171211
FY-1/2
1 20788U 90081A   93314.27490495  .00000352  00000-0  25587-3 0  8161
2 20788  98.8528 336.2622 0014224 264.8255  95.1288 14.01329924163048
MET-2/20
1 20826U 90086A   93320.47980517  .00000052  00000-0  42267-4 0  7113
2 20826  82.5249 315.2181 0011921 288.0238  71.9627 13.83563968158341
MET-3/4
1 21232U 91030A   93320.51833216  .00000043  00000-0  10000-3 0  6155
2 21232  82.5409 319.9466 0013471   2.5209 357.5653 13.16456371123379
NOAA-12
1 21263U 91032A   93315.68793624  .00000176  00000-0  87457-4 0  8162
2 21263  98.6427 343.0215 0013434 143.1680 217.0407 14.22331177129619
MET-3/5
1 21655U 91056A   93320.38880675  .00000043  00000-0  10000-3 0  6125
2 21655  82.5551 267.0163 0014334  12.2322 347.9178 13.16825934108458
MET-2/21
1 22782U 93055A   93320.66678128  .00000033  00000-0  25012-4 0  2111
2 22782  82.5521  14.8526 0023798 100.3379 260.0455 13.82991168 10713
MIR
1 16609U 86017A   93321.57070583  .00007939  00000-0  10816-3 0  5866
2 16609  51.6139 168.8603 0005214 358.7317   0.6246 15.58545846443041
HUBBLE
1 20580U 90037B   93320.38852573  .00000748  00000-0  63165-4 0  3620
2 20580  28.4687 163.2233 0004748 200.0009 160.0464 14.92922012194272
GRO
1 21225U 91027B   93321.24933334  .00018416  00000-0  19624-3 0  2224
2 21225  28.4618 264.6526 0074975  90.1642 270.7885 15.58731637 24209
UARS
1 21701U 91063B   93315.59270845 -.00001996  00000-0 -16511-3 0  4125
2 21701  56.9842 310.8939 0005642  92.8950 267.4094 14.96195848118366
POSAT
1 22829U 93 61  G 93289.11726978  .00000072  00000-0  37231-4 0  2042
2 22829  98.6763   2.0610 0010043 184.4594 175.6498 14.27975951  2862
/EX

------------------------------

Date: 21 Nov 93 20:12:00 GMT
From: news-mail-gateway@ucsd.edu
Subject: ORBS$323.2L.AMSAT
To: info-hams@ucsd.edu

SB KEPS @ AMSAT  $ORBS-323.N
2Line Orbital Elements 323.AMSAT

HR AMSAT ORBITAL ELEMENTS FOR AMATEUR SATELLITES IN NASA FORMAT
FROM WA5QGD FORT WORTH,TX November 19, 1993
BID: $ORBS-323.N

DECODE 2-LINE ELSETS WITH THE FOLLOWING KEY:
1 AAAAAU 00  0  0 BBBBB.BBBBBBBB  .CCCCCCCC  00000-0  00000-0 0  DDDZ
2 AAAAA EEE.EEEE FFF.FFFF GGGGGGG HHH.HHHH III.IIII JJ.JJJJJJJJKKKKKZ
KEY: A-CATALOGNUM B-EPOCHTIME C-DECAY D-ELSETNUM E-INCLINATION F-RAAN
G-ECCENTRICITY H-ARGPERIGEE I-MNANOM J-MNMOTION K-ORBITNUM Z-CHECKSUM

TO ALL RADIO AMATEURS BT

AO-10
1 14129U 83058B   93321.57691393 -.00000112  00000-0  10000-3 0  2118
2 14129  27.1956 355.7539 6019652 131.0023 299.1524  2.05880635 78414
UO-11
1 14781U 84021B   93320.59791365  .00000224  00000-0  41964-4 0  6126
2 14781  97.7971 340.1743 0010901 227.3657 132.6634 14.69084435519091
RS-10/11
1 18129U 87054A   93320.53837545  .00000061  00000-0  60485-4 0  8120
2 18129  82.9209 126.0240 0010352 256.4589 103.5413 13.72326438320740
AO-13
1 19216U 88051B   93315.34314830 -.00000053  00000-0  10000-4 0  8137
2 19216  57.8997 284.7483 7226538 327.9276   3.4613  2.09719999 41435
FO-20
1 20480U 90013C   93310.07362541 -.00000005  00000-0  14874-4 0  6071
2 20480  99.0217 139.2984 0541030 125.0547 240.2545 12.83221816175512
AO-21
1 21087U 91006A   93320.47796564  .00000084  00000-0  82657-4 0  3683
2 21087  82.9418 300.1208 0034449 319.1873  40.6687 13.74528168140362
RS-12/13
1 21089U 91007A   93317.61990766  .00000004  00000-0 -23873-5 0  6129
2 21089  82.9233 171.3110 0029494 351.2997   8.7626 13.74029180139048
ARSENE
1 22654U 93031B   93319.82294071 -.00000052  00000-0  10000-3 0  2099
2 22654   1.4256 113.1022 2930832 161.7997 211.8626  1.42202608  2728
UO-14
1 20437U 90005B   93320.70053268  .00000071  00000-0  35429-4 0  9128
2 20437  98.6062  43.2321 0011712  93.9046 266.3482 14.29803677199228
AO-16
1 20439U 90005D   93320.27451247  .00000064  00000-0  32755-4 0  7120
2 20439  98.6124  43.8287 0012274  95.5349 264.7257 14.29860785199173
DO-17
1 20440U 90005E   93320.66928486  .00000060  00000-0  31121-4 0  7121
2 20440  98.6144  44.4763 0012250  94.2945 265.9628 14.29997894199240
WO-18
1 20441U 90005F   93320.22118847  .00000057  00000-0  29710-4 0  7134
2 20441  98.6142  44.0490 0012764  95.8251 264.4402 14.29975696199182
LO-19
1 20442U 90005G   93320.70317511  .00000061  00000-0  31205-4 0  7123
2 20442  98.6151  44.7345 0013139  93.7468 266.5215 14.30068015199267
UO-22
1 21575U 91050B   93320.68042724  .00000105  00000-0  42463-4 0  4124
2 21575  98.4578  34.2356 0006986 200.1876 159.9027 14.36865218122562
KO-23
1 22077U 92052B   93320.59051504  .00000000  00000-0  10000-3 0  3091
2 22077  66.0900   5.1031 0005093 341.0856  18.9960 12.86281800 59446
AO-27
1 22825U 93061C   93320.66241511  .00000070  00000-0  36625-4 0  2111
2 22825  98.6771  33.3777 0009303 106.2143 254.0076 14.27590086  7363
IO-26
1 22826U 93061D   93320.65872634  .00000073  00000-0  37587-4 0  2129
2 22826  98.6768  33.3808 0009869 107.8468 252.3794 14.27692506  7367
KO-25
1 22830U 93061H   93319.73628661  .00000064  00000-0  33726-4 0  2121
2 22830  98.5788  31.9792 0012486  82.0123 278.2466 14.28016160  7236
NOAA-9
1 15427U 84123A   93321.67817478  .00000105  00000-0  66146-4 0  6128
2 15427  99.0821   4.3682 0015882  95.7490 264.5523 14.13562457460466
NOAA-10
1 16969U 86073A   93315.75032400  .00000081  00000-0  42765-4 0  5091
2 16969  98.5140 326.3695 0012248 244.0314 115.9574 14.24842726371642
MET-2/17
1 18820U 88005A   93319.86072672  .00000065  00000-0  52347-4 0  2116
2 18820  82.5421  78.2816 0017893  61.8037 298.4910 13.84697554292837
MET-3/2
1 19336U 88064A   93319.83299665  .00000043  00000-0  10000-3 0  2119
2 19336  82.5384 114.6617 0017926  77.8342 282.4811 13.16962335255171
NOAA-11
1 19531U 88089A   93315.67695101  .00000165  00000-0  99084-4 0  4090
2 19531  99.1508 294.5292 0012515  27.3413 332.8509 14.12931327264500
MET-2/18
1 19851U 89018A   93320.51300057  .00000045  00000-0  35160-4 0  2124
2 19851  82.5191 313.4772 0015680 100.7230 259.5690 13.84349177238266
MET-3/3
1 20305U 89086A   93320.32104910  .00000043  00000-0  10000-3 0  9135
2 20305  82.5525  57.5423 0017403  95.7518 264.5640 13.16021908195110
MET-2/19
1 20670U 90057A   93320.64092393  .00000015  00000-0  79036-5 0  7128
2 20670  82.5491  17.2997 0016711  28.5586 331.6512 13.84181803171211
FY-1/2
1 20788U 90081A   93314.27490495  .00000352  00000-0  25587-3 0  8161
2 20788  98.8528 336.2622 0014224 264.8255  95.1288 14.01329924163048
MET-2/20
1 20826U 90086A   93320.47980517  .00000052  00000-0  42267-4 0  7113
2 20826  82.5249 315.2181 0011921 288.0238  71.9627 13.83563968158341
MET-3/4
1 21232U 91030A   93320.51833216  .00000043  00000-0  10000-3 0  6155
2 21232  82.5409 319.9466 0013471   2.5209 357.5653 13.16456371123379
NOAA-12
1 21263U 91032A   93315.68793624  .00000176  00000-0  87457-4 0  8162
2 21263  98.6427 343.0215 0013434 143.1680 217.0407 14.22331177129619
MET-3/5
1 21655U 91056A   93320.38880675  .00000043  00000-0  10000-3 0  6125
2 21655  82.5551 267.0163 0014334  12.2322 347.9178 13.16825934108458
MET-2/21
1 22782U 93055A   93320.66678128  .00000033  00000-0  25012-4 0  2111
2 22782  82.5521  14.8526 0023798 100.3379 260.0455 13.82991168 10713
MIR
1 16609U 86017A   93321.57070583  .00007939  00000-0  10816-3 0  5866
2 16609  51.6139 168.8603 0005214 358.7317   0.6246 15.58545846443041
HUBBLE
1 20580U 90037B   93320.38852573  .00000748  00000-0  63165-4 0  3620
2 20580  28.4687 163.2233 0004748 200.0009 160.0464 14.92922012194272
GRO
1 21225U 91027B   93321.24933334  .00018416  00000-0  19624-3 0  2224
2 21225  28.4618 264.6526 0074975  90.1642 270.7885 15.58731637 24209
UARS
1 21701U 91063B   93315.59270845 -.00001996  00000-0 -16511-3 0  4125
2 21701  56.9842 310.8939 0005642  92.8950 267.4094 14.96195848118366
POSAT
1 22829U 93 61  G 93289.11726978  .00000072  00000-0  37231-4 0  2042
2 22829  98.6763   2.0610 0010043 184.4594 175.6498 14.27975951  2862
/EX

------------------------------

Date: 21 Nov 93 16:53:31 GMT
From: gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!newsserver.jvnc.net!newsserver.egr.uri.edu!ramli@rutgers.rutgers.edu
Subject: Reaching ham-radio buffs in India
To: info-hams@ucsd.edu

A friend of mine who is a member of the URI Ham Club
wants to contact people in India via ham radio.
He says that he has not been able to contact any
one so far.  If you have been able to talk to people
in India, he will be delighted to hear from you.

If you wish to respond, please send him email
at: macinnes@ele.uri.edu (Craig Macinnes)

Please do not respond to this account.

Thanks in advance.

Ramli.

------------------------------

Date: 18 Nov 1993 16:27:09 GMT
From: dog.ee.lbl.gov!agate!howland.reston.ans.net!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!emory!news-feed-2.peachnet.edu!concert!ecsgate!bruce.uncg.edu!mosier.uncg.edu!mosier@network.ucsd.edu
To: info-hams@ucsd.edu

References <mosier.54.0@fagan.uncg.edu>, <2cg0lr$dgd@oak.oakland.edu>, <mosier.55.0@fagan.uncg.edu> 
Subject : Re: TEN TEC OMNI V OWNERS!!!

SORRY FOR THE SLOPPY POST ON THE FIRST OF THESE

In article <2cg0lr$dgd@oak.oakland.edu> prvalko@vela.acs.oakland.edu 
(prvalko) writes:

>: I have an OMNI VI, so the bells and whistles comment doesn't apply (it 
>
>
>I'm not one to flame Steve, but he was asking about the Omni V, not the
>Omni IV which, as any TenTec head knows, has a lot of DSP toys, so your
>comment doesn't apply.  I agree, if I want CG, I'll buy a Sony 2010.
>73 paul wb8zjl

I did indeed say that the bells & whistles part of the OMNI VI doesn't apply 
to the discussion, Paul.  But the receiver quality between the V and the VI 
is basically the same -- DSP has nothing to do with that.  The point is that 
the OMNI V (and VI) are some of the best basic receiver designs around, IF 
you can satisfy your SW needs with the Sony.
  
steve
mosier@fagan.uncg.edu
steve
mosier@fagan.uncg.edu

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1993 15:52:11 GMT
From: usc!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!sdd.hp.com!col.hp.com!fc.hp.com!jayk@network.ucsd.edu
To: info-hams@ucsd.edu

References <1993Nov13.230920.10981@anasazi.com>, <JBm1cc1w165w@sytex.com>, <1993Nov16.070549.16005@anasazi.com>
Reply-To : jayk@fc.hp.com
Subject : Re: DSP units

Can you center the CW filters on the DSP-9 to the frequency of your choice?
I prefer to listen to a 400 Hz note instead of the usual 700 or 800 Hz.

73, Jay K0GU                   jayk@fc.hp.com

------------------------------

Date: 18 Nov 1993 16:23:05 GMT
From: dog.ee.lbl.gov!agate!howland.reston.ans.net!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!emory!news-feed-2.peachnet.edu!concert!ecsgate!bruce.uncg.edu!mosier.uncg.edu!mosier@network.ucsd.edu
To: info-hams@ucsd.edu

References <2cds4a$gci@oak.oakland.edu>, <mosier.54.0@fagan.uncg.edu>, <2cg0lr$dgd@oak.oakland.edu>
Subject : Re: TEN TEC OMNI V OWNERS!!!

In article <2cg0lr$dgd@oak.oakland.edu> prvalko@vela.acs.oakland.edu 
(prvalko) writes:

>: I have an OMNI VI, so the bells and whistles comment doesn't apply (it 
>
>
>I'm not one to flame Steve, but he was asking about the Omni V, not the
>Omni IV which, as any TenTec head knows, has a lot of DSP toys, so your
>comment doesn't apply.  I agree, if I want CG, I'll buy a Sony 2010.
>73 paul wb8zjl

I did indeed say said that the bells & whistles part of the OMNI VI 
doesn't apply to the discussion, Paul.  But the receiver quality between the 
V and the VI is basically the same -- DSP has nothing to do with that.  The 
point is that the OMNI V (and VI) are some of the best basic receiver 
designs around, IF you can satisfy your SW needs with the Sony.


Crystal mixed 
oscillators w/ low phase noise.  
steve
mosier@fagan.uncg.edu

------------------------------

End of Info-Hams Digest V93 #1374
******************************
******************************