Date: Sun, 21 Nov 93 04:30:01 PST From: Info-Hams Mailing List and Newsgroup <info-hams@ucsd.edu> Errors-To: Info-Hams-Errors@UCSD.Edu Reply-To: Info-Hams@UCSD.Edu Precedence: Bulk Subject: Info-Hams Digest V93 #1370 To: Info-Hams Info-Hams Digest Sun, 21 Nov 93 Volume 93 : Issue 1370 Today's Topics: Cross-band 2m/220mhz repeaters? New "pizza" policy? Using modified HT in emergency Send Replies or notes for publication to: <Info-Hams@UCSD.Edu> Send subscription requests to: <Info-Hams-REQUEST@UCSD.Edu> Problems you can't solve otherwise to brian@ucsd.edu. Archives of past issues of the Info-Hams Digest are available (by FTP only) from UCSD.Edu in directory "mailarchives/info-hams". We trust that readers are intelligent enough to realize that all text herein consists of personal comments and does not represent the official policies or positions of any party. Your mileage may vary. So there. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 19 Nov 1993 18:40:53 GMT From: usc!howland.reston.ans.net!usenet.ins.cwru.edu!agate!spool.mu.edu!olivea!news.bbn.com!news.bbn.com!levin@network.ucsd.edu Subject: Cross-band 2m/220mhz repeaters? To: info-hams@ucsd.edu In article <gganderson.132.0@augustana.edu> gganderson@augustana.edu (Kevin Anderson -7325) writes: As a Novice I get access to 1.25m. I understand in some cities there are repeaters linked between 2m and 1.25m. How many cities and where? I'm curious..... Not a lot of help for you, but one such repeater is KA1DT/R on 224.28, cross-linked to 147.045 in Nashua, NH. /JBL = Nets: levin@bbn.com | "GO TO JAIL. Go directly to jail. Do not pass POTS: (617)873-3463 | Go. Do not collect $200." KD1ON (@KB4N.NH.USA) | -- Parker Brothers ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Nov 1993 02:35:06 GMT From: usc!howland.reston.ans.net!darwin.sura.net!gatekeeper.es.dupont.com!esds01.es.dupont.com!COLLINST%esvx19.es.dupont.com@network.ucsd.edu Subject: New "pizza" policy? To: info-hams@ucsd.edu In article <1993Nov19.074023.7512@nic.csu.net>, David Van Nuys <vannuysd@sonoma.edu> writes: >Can anyone tell me where I can get the new, more relaxed policy on using >autopatch for ordering pizzas etc? > >Please send e-mail. Thanks. > >David >AB6XR I got my copy from Compuserve in the HAMNET Forum. 73, Tom WI3P collinst@esvax.dnet.dupont.com or collinst@world.std.com "Shutup and sit down you moron!"...Ben Stern *** MY EMPLOYER DOESN'T SPEAK FOR ME NOR I FOR THEM **** ------------------------------ Date: 18 Nov 1993 02:15:23 GMT From: destroyer!news1.oakland.edu!vela.acs.oakland.edu!cmartman@uunet.uu.net Subject: Using modified HT in emergency To: info-hams@ucsd.edu I just wanted to point out one *little* detail you all seem to be missing: Using any means available does not mean you can make the "means" available to you at all times! The "radio friend" in this thread did exactally as I or anyone else would have under the circumstances, but it doesnt make it legal to have the modified radio in the first place. If this were to go to court, the amateur would *probably* be found innocent of unlawful transmission, and get hung out to dry on the illegal radio. wx8l Sean. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Nov 1993 18:21:07 GMT From: news.Hawaii.Edu!uhunix3.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu!jherman@ames.arpa To: info-hams@ucsd.edu References <1993Nov18.143557.3937@ke4zv.atl.ga.us>, <1993Nov19.001658.26868@unet.net.com>, <1993Nov20.153540.12685@ke4zv.atl.ga.us> Subject : Re: Miss Manners in the Novice Sub-bands? In article <1993Nov20.153540.12685@ke4zv.atl.ga.us> gary@ke4zv.UUCP (Gary Coffman) writes: > >Since the data modes are *restricted by regulation* to the data portions >of the HF bands, erronously called the CW portions, while the CW operators ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Really? When did that change? I guess us CW ops have been intruding upon the data folks, then. So sorry! Jeff NH6IL ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Nov 1993 16:45:46 GMT From: news.cerf.net!pagesat!netsys!agate!library.ucla.edu!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!emory!kd4nc!ke4zv!gary@network.ucsd.edu To: info-hams@ucsd.edu References <CGMqAI.2J0@news.Hawaii.Edu>, <1993Nov18.135508.3660@ke4zv.atl.ga.us>, <CGpt6v.BKo@news.Hawaii.Edu> Reply-To : gary@ke4zv.atl.ga.us (Gary Coffman) Subject : Re: Morse as a language (was Re: Miss Manners in the Novice Sub-bands?) In article <CGpt6v.BKo@news.Hawaii.Edu> jherman@uhunix3.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu (Jeff Herman) writes: >Gary, you got lost somewhere in reading my post; I think of Morse as >an aural language - I write nothing down. I hear, not individual letters, >but entire words. There is no mechanical skill involved. Now, with that >in mind, go back and reread what I said - it will make much more sense to >you. And keep practicing to improve your code speed; once you hit 20 >you'll agree it is a language (then you won't have to waste so much of >your time with anti-code articles). [Note the follow-up] Sorry, it's you who didn't read what I said. The process by which you "think of Morse as an aural language" is flawed because you're lumping the mechanical process of the operant conditioned neural nets that decode characters with the higher functions that combine characters to form words. Just as phonomes aren't language, neither are the sounds you hear in Morse that encode alphanumeric characters. Like reading, once you condition the mechanisms of pattern recognition in your brain, you don't consciously "spell out" each word. You "just see them" or "just hear them" in your mind. But that doesn't make the alphabet a language, nor does it make the Morse encodings of the alphabet language. Both pattern recognition mechanisms are just conditioned mechanisms that lie below the level of language interpretation in the higher brain centers. So Morse is no different in principle than any other alphabetic encoding of language, such as this printed screen. In this case, conditioned visual pattern recognizers identify the shapes that form the letter encodings, a totally mechanical process, and your mind then assembles those decoded symbols as words. Note I've redirected followup back here since this isn't a policy issue. It's a technical issue. Gary -- Gary Coffman KE4ZV | Where my job's going, | gatech!wa4mei!ke4zv!gary Destructive Testing Systems | I don't know. It might | uunet!rsiatl!ke4zv!gary 534 Shannon Way | wind up in Mexico. | emory!kd4nc!ke4zv!gary Lawrenceville, GA 30244 | -NAFTA Blues | ------------------------------ End of Info-Hams Digest V93 #1370 ****************************** ******************************