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Subject: Info-Hams Digest V93 #1368
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Info-Hams Digest Sat, 20 Nov 93 Volume 93 : Issue 1368
Today's Topics:
Adams-Phillips code & "LID"
CENSORSHIP WARNING
CW QSO's, New hams who need practice read this!
Daily Summary of Solar Geophysical Activity for 16 November
FM SUB CARRIER ADAPTORS
Gary?s comment
License Datapoints
Phillips-Adams Code [long]
What do I do now/
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Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1993 22:56:27 GMT
From: elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!library.ucla.edu!csulb.edu!paris.ics.uci.edu!news.service.uci.edu!ttinews!avatar!sorgatz@decwrl.dec.
Subject: Adams-Phillips code & "LID"
To: info-hams@ucsd.edu
In article <CGrAD5.AnI@odin.corp.sgi.com> adams@chuck.dallas.sgi.com (Chuck Adams) writes:
>Scott Rosenfeld, NF3I, wondered where the term LID came from.
>I didn't make it up and neither did Phillips.
>
>When Morse first started the telegraphic service, the system
>consisted of wooden clock gears, etc. and a pencil was drawn
>across a moving roll of paper to receive info. An assistant
>one day noted that he could copy the letters, etc. from the
>sound. This lead to a sounder system using electromagnets
>etc.
>
>My guess would be, during the early days of telegraphy, a
>poor operator or new operator was probably transmitting
>messages across the network and somebody probably made an
>off the cuff remark "that sounds terrible, like striking
>a lid on a jar". And somebody else probably said "You're
>right! It does sound like a LID." Thus the origin of the
>term LID. Original from the mind of K5FO. :-)
>
>Sounded good to me.
>
>At 80 wpm it does sound like rain on a tin roof. - W5GOS
>
>
>--
>SIG
>------cut here----------
>Chuck Adams, K5FO - CP60
>adams@sgi.com
>QRP ARCI Awards Chairman
Nope. Close, but actually the term 'lid' described the younger operator
who would attach a jar lid to the sounder mechanism to magnify it's output.
The older, more experienced ops didn't need the jar lid diaphram to hear
(then) Land Line CW, made the term a derrogatory one. FROM: "EDISON, deaf
genius" Prent-Hall Pub.
As Thomas Alva became more and more deaf, he ended up copying by either
touching the sounder unit or using a flashing light system towards the end
of his life...
-Avatar-> (aka: Erik K. Sorgatz) KB6LUY +----------------------------+
TTI(es@soldev.tti.com)or: sorgatz@avatar.tti.com *Government produces NOTHING!*
3100 Ocean Park Blvd. Santa Monica, CA 90405 +----------------------------+
(OPINIONS EXPRESSED DO NOT REFLECT THE VIEWS OF CITICORP OR ITS MANAGEMENT!)
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Date: 17 Nov 93 10:05:36 EST
From: dog.ee.lbl.gov!agate!howland.reston.ans.net!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!news.umbc.edu!eff!news.kei.com!world!ksr!jfw@network.ucsd.edu
Subject: CENSORSHIP WARNING
To: info-hams@ucsd.edu
jherman@uhunix3.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu (Jeff Herman) writes:
>So, my friends, beware! There is no absolute freedom of speech on
>.misc and .policy.
That's right; welcome to USENET. You spend other people's money transmitting
your articles, you need to play nice. That's awfully discriminatory against
sociopaths, I know, but hey life just ain't fair.
Followups to news.newusers.questions in case someone has trouble coping with
this idea and needs it explained.
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Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1993 15:02:20 GMT
From: nntp.crl.com!boo!seeker!jeffj@decwrl.dec.com
Subject: CW QSO's, New hams who need practice read this!
To: info-hams@ucsd.edu
After reading a bit I realized that hams who just passed their 5 wpm
code test are nervous about making their first CW contacts on the air
(I was!). If you just passed, working on upgrading or need your first
CW contact please send me some email and I'll be more then happy to work
you. It will be nice and easy with no pressure on you to be perfect. I will
work with you and resend as many times as you need until you get it. So if
you have been scared to get on the air using CW this is your chance! Let
me know what time and frequency and let's do it! 73!
Jeff Jones
--
Jeff Jones AB6MB | Stop the North American Free Trade Agreement!
UUCP uunet!seeker!jeffj | Canada lost over 300,000 jobs to the USA.
Infolinc BBS 510-778-5929 | Guess how many we'll lose to Mexico?
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Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1993 21:06:22 MST
From: nntp.ucsb.edu!library.ucla.edu!agate!howland.reston.ans.net!math.ohio-state.edu!cyber2.cyberstore.ca!nntp.cs.ubc.ca!alberta!nebulus!ve6mgs!usenet@network.ucsd.edu
Subject: Daily Summary of Solar Geophysical Activity for 16 November
To: info-hams@ucsd.edu
/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\
DAILY SUMMARY OF SOLAR GEOPHYSICAL ACTIVITY
16 NOVEMBER, 1993
/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\
(Based In-Part On SESC Observational Data)
SOLAR AND GEOPHYSICAL ACTIVITY INDICES FOR 16 NOVEMBER, 1993
------------------------------------------------------------
NOTE: The background x-ray flux has been estimated. Loss of x-ray
data during the day prevented the computation of this value.
!!BEGIN!! (1.0) S.T.D. Solar Geophysical Data Broadcast for DAY 320, 11/16/93
10.7 FLUX=100.4 90-AVG=093 SSN=045 BKI=2232 2212 BAI=007
BGND-XRAY=B1.1 FLU1=*.*E+** FLU10=*.*E+** PKI=3233 2212 PAI=008
BOU-DEV=017,013,028,018,010,010,006,013 DEV-AVG=014 NT SWF=00:000
XRAY-MAX= C1.0 @ 0913UT XRAY-MIN= A9.4 @ 1556UT XRAY-AVG= B1.6
NEUTN-MAX= +003% @ 1655UT NEUTN-MIN= -002% @ 1900UT NEUTN-AVG= +0.1%
PCA-MAX= +0.0DB @ 2315UT PCA-MIN= -0.3DB @ 2210UT PCA-AVG= -0.0DB
BOUTF-MAX=55361NT @ 2358UT BOUTF-MIN=55343NT @ 2022UT BOUTF-AVG=55355NT
GOES7-MAX=P:+000NT@ 0000UT GOES7-MIN=N:+000NT@ 0000UT G7-AVG=+050,+000,+000
GOES6-MAX=P:+102NT@ 1613UT GOES6-MIN=N:-065NT@ 0933UT G6-AVG=+072,+021,-043
FLUXFCST=STD:100,100,100;SESC:100,100,100 BAI/PAI-FCST=015,020,015/015,020,015
KFCST=1111 1111 3334 4333 27DAY-AP=005,007 27DAY-KP=2121 1222 1223 3220
WARNINGS=*SWF
ALERTS=
!!END-DATA!!
NOTE: The Effective Sunspot Number for 15 NOV 93 was 45.0.
The Full Kp Indices for 15 NOV 93 are: 3o 3o 2- 2- 2- 1+ 2+ 3o
SYNOPSIS OF ACTIVITY
--------------------
Solar activity was low. Region 7618 (N08E22) has
continued to slowly decrease in activity yet increase in white
light appearance. The remainder of the disk is spotless.
Solar activity forecast: solar activity is expected to be
low to moderate. Region 7618 is still expected to produce at
least C-class activity with a chance for M-class activity.
STD: The latest Yohkoh x-ray image has been appended to this
report. The image was taken at approximately 03:00 UTC on
16 November and clearly shows the finger-extension of the
southern polar coronal hole which is expected to prove at
least mildly geoeffective on 18 November.
The geomagnetic field has been at quiet to unsettled levels
at middle latitudes for the past 24 hours. High latitudes
have experienced some isolated active periods.
Geophysical activity forecast: the geomagnetic field is
expected to be mostly unsettled on day one, active on day two
due to a favorably located coronal hole, and back to mostly
unsettled on day three.
Event probabilities 17 nov-19 nov
Class M 50/50/50
Class X 05/05/05
Proton 05/05/05
PCAF Green
Geomagnetic activity probabilities 17 nov-19 nov
A. Middle Latitudes
Active 40/35/35
Minor Storm 30/25/25
Major-Severe Storm 10/10/10
B. High Latitudes
Active 35/35/30
Minor Storm 35/30/30
Major-Severe Storm 15/15/10
HF propagation conditions continued normal over all
regions. Conditions are expected to become mildly degraded
over transauroral and transpolar paths on 18 October due to a
well-placed coronal hole. However, the disturbance should be
fairly short-lived (about 24 hours) and therefore is not
expected to produce any lasting impacts. Recovery should be
fairly rapid and near-normal propagation should return on
19 October. Daylit paths are still at risk for periods of
brief SWF activity due to minor solar flares.
COPIES OF JOINT USAF/NOAA SESC SOLAR GEOPHYSICAL REPORTS
========================================================
REGIONS WITH SUNSPOTS. LOCATIONS VALID AT 16/2400Z NOVEMBER
-----------------------------------------------------------
NMBR LOCATION LO AREA Z LL NN MAG TYPE
7618 N08E22 338 0580 DKI 09 035 BETA
7616 N11W46 046 PLAGE
7617 S15W82 082 PLAGE
7619 N10W45 045 PLAGE
REGIONS DUE TO RETURN 17 NOVEMBER TO 19 NOVEMBER
NMBR LAT LO
NONE
LISTING OF SOLAR ENERGETIC EVENTS FOR 16 NOVEMBER, 1993
-------------------------------------------------------
BEGIN MAX END RGN LOC XRAY OP 245MHZ 10CM SWEEP SWF
NO EVENTS OBSERVED
POSSIBLE CORONAL MASS EJECTION EVENTS FOR 16 NOVEMBER, 1993
-----------------------------------------------------------
ISOLATED HOLES AND POLAR EXTENSIONS
EAST SOUTH WEST NORTH CAR TYPE POL AREA OBSN
48 S35W03 S42W13 S10W33 S03W29 023 ISO NEG 015 10830A
49 N30E67 N16E47 N25E39 N35E57 313 ISO POS 007 10830A
SUMMARY OF FLARE EVENTS FOR THE PREVIOUS UTC DAY
------------------------------------------------
Date Begin Max End Xray Op Region Locn 2695 MHz 8800 MHz 15.4 GHz
------ ---- ---- ---- ---- -- ------ ------ --------- --------- ---------
15 Nov: 0804 0806 0816 SF 7618 N09E45
1525 1528 1534 B2.9
1628 1630 1636 SF 7618 N09E40
1702 1709 1718 B6.9
1917 1925 1945 B8.2 SF 7618 N08E40
2207 2210 2214 B2.9
2325 2332 2346 B3.0
REGION FLARE STATISTICS FOR THE PREVIOUS UTC DAY
------------------------------------------------
C M X S 1 2 3 4 Total (%)
-- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --- ------
Region 7618: 0 0 0 3 0 0 0 0 003 (42.9)
Uncorrellated: 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 004 (57.1)
Total Events: 007 optical and x-ray.
EVENTS WITH SWEEPS AND/OR OPTICAL PHENOMENA FOR THE LAST UTC DAY
----------------------------------------------------------------
Date Begin Max End Xray Op Region Locn Sweeps/Optical Observations
------ ---- ---- ---- ---- -- ------ ------ ---------------------------
NO EVENTS OBSERVED.
NOTES:
All times are in Universal Time (UT). Characters preceding begin, max,
and end times are defined as: B = Before, U = Uncertain, A = After.
All times associated with x-ray flares (ex. flares which produce
associated x-ray bursts) refer to the begin, max, and end times of the
x-rays. Flares which are not associated with x-ray signatures use the
optical observations to determine the begin, max, and end times.
Acronyms used to identify sweeps and optical phenomena include:
II = Type II Sweep Frequency Event
III = Type III Sweep
IV = Type IV Sweep
V = Type V Sweep
Continuum = Continuum Radio Event
Loop = Loop Prominence System,
Spray = Limb Spray,
Surge = Bright Limb Surge,
EPL = Eruptive Prominence on the Limb.
SPECIAL INSERT: CURRENT X-RAY EMISSIONS FROM THE JAPANESE YOHKOH SPACECRAFT
===========================================================================
16 November 1993, 03:00 UTC
North
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,::;;;---;::::;!12|!441||+-;;::::::::::;;;;;;::,,,,,,,,,:::::::::::::::;;::,,,.
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South
KEY: East and west limbs are to the left and right respectively. Emission
strength, from minimum to maximum are coded in the following way:
[space] . , : ; - + | ! 1 2 3 4 * # @
Units used are arbitrary, for illustrative purposes. Get "showasc.zip"
from "pub/solar/Software" at the anonymous FTP site: xi.uleth.ca
(IP # 142.66.3.29) to view these images on VGA screens.
** End of Daily Report **
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Date: 20 Nov 93 04:17:23 GMT
From: ogicse!emory!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!noc.near.net!news.delphi.com!usenet@network.ucsd.edu
Subject: FM SUB CARRIER ADAPTORS
To: info-hams@ucsd.edu
B00000000000000
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Date: 20 Nov 93 06:46:42 GMT
From: ogicse!uwm.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!moe.ksu.ksu.edu!crcnis1.unl.edu!unlinfo.unl.edu!mcduffie@network.ucsd.edu
Subject: Gary?s comment
To: info-hams@ucsd.edu
pmarsh@metro.mccneb.EDU writes:
~~~~
>I'll have to agree with Gary, whichever he is. But note that
>Gary speaks of the LICENSE situation, NOT the amateur people
>situation.
Congrats, Paul! Someone who can read was what written, not what they
would like to think was written!
~~~
>One of the big complaints about our education process today is
>that we spend too much time teaching "look-up-able" facts, and
>too little time teaching "how to find what you need". At this
Amen!
>level, though, perhaps there should be classes in how to USE
>amateur radio. Now, THAT would be a good class. How about it,
>local clubs? Do these exist? No license-like test needed, but a
>snazzy wall-hanging would be a lovely second thing to hang in the
>new shack.
>Paul Marsh N0ZAU Omaha
What an excellent idea, Paul. Let's take it further. Pass the test,
but don't allow actual on-the-air operation until such a certification
was earned (yeah, I hear the moaning already!). The "how-to" could
even be earned before testing - wouldn't matter. It might even spark
some of the old fuddy-duddy clubs into doing something new. Most clubs
in lesser populated areas are nothing but a signup sheet and trying to
figure out how to keep the local repeater power bill paid.
Thanks for the words, Paul. Even if you don't go along with the above
paragraph. Hi. Ever get out this way? Call me on 2m.
73, Gary
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Date: 20 Nov 93 03:34:55 GMT
From: ogicse!uwm.edu!spool.mu.edu!agate!apple.com!apple.com!not-for-mail@network.ucsd.edu
Subject: License Datapoints
To: info-hams@ucsd.edu
babiyd@mala.bc.ca (DALE BABIY) writes:
>For you Canadians out there... I got my Station today, 15th of Nov, applied
>on the 20th of Oct.
That's October *1993* ?! It takes almost that long to get mail through
the U.S. postal system.
Can we hope that the VEC and the FCC become as efficient post-NAFTA?
:-) :-) (Smiley, smiley, folks, see?)
73,
Kok Chen, AA6TY kchen@apple.com
Apple Computer, Inc.
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Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1993 23:14:58 GMT
From: concert!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!darwin.sura.net!gatekeeper.es.dupont.com!esds01.es.dupont.com!COLLINST%esvx19.es.dupont.com@decwrl.dec.com
Subject: Phillips-Adams Code [long]
To: info-hams@ucsd.edu
In article <CGr84u.79A@odin.corp.sgi.com>, adams@chuck.dallas.sgi.com (Chuck Adams) writes:
>WOW. What a tough crowd. You want the long form, you got it.
>Again, list from Phillips Code + Adams Mods to bring it somewhat
>up to date. Not every abbreviation you know or will ever use is
>here and there are some here you will never hear or use in your lifetime,
>but that is life. :-)
>--
>SIG
>------cut here----------
>Chuck Adams, K5FO - CP60
>adams@sgi.com
>QRP ARCI Awards Chairman
Thanks Chuck, I printed it out, laminated it and its next to my
xcvr.........
8^}
73, Tom WI3P collinst@esvax.dnet.dupont.com or collinst@world.std.com
"Shutup and sit down you moron!"...Ben Stern
*** MY EMPLOYER DOESN'T SPEAK FOR ME NOR I FOR THEM ****
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Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1993 16:49:36 GMT
From: microsoft!wingnut!laurahal@uunet.uu.net
Subject: What do I do now/
To: info-hams@ucsd.edu
In article <2c46b1$hl4@crcnis1.unl.edu> mcduffie@unlinfo.unl.edu (Gary McDuffie Sr) writes:
>drenze@icaen.uiowa.edu (Douglas J Renze) writes:
>
> (newbie question deleted)
>Now, if that doesn't say something about the current licensing
>situation, nothing will.
Gary, that's not fair. I know how to peak grids and dip plates because
I use an old radio that requires such adjustments. If all you had ever
been exposed to was modern stuff with broadband circuits, you wouldn't
know what knobs with labels like "Plate" and "Load" did.
Besides, Doug is new. Rather than criticizing the licensing process,
perhaps you might suggest how he can tune up his new radio.
73,
laura VE7LDH
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Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1993 09:53:52 -0700
From: ftpbox!mothost!schbbs!NewsWatcher!user@uunet.uu.net
To: info-hams@ucsd.edu
References <rcrw90-121193085420@node_13059.aieg.mot.com>, <RFM.93Nov15163846@urth.eng.sun.com>, <drew.82.0@trl.oz.au>thost
Subject : Re: How did spark transmitters work (was Re: CW)
In article <drew.82.0@trl.oz.au>, drew@trl.oz.au (Drew Diamond) wrote:
> Another refinement was to fit, into the
> spark-gap, a motor-driven rotating toothed wheel, which modulated the
> broad-band noise and introduced a more "musical" note, thus allowing skilled
> operators some means of discriminating between the many signals on the air.
I saw one demonstrated many years ago - fascinating but what a racket!
> If you have access to early issues of QST (say pre 1930), you will find
> many descriptions of amateur spark stations- fascinating reading.
I agree the idea of actually communicating this way is fascinating. Even
more so when you compare it to our modern radios.
--
Mike Waters rcrw90@email.mot.com AA4MW@KC7Y.PHX.AZ.US.NA
BOBS BEST BENT WIRE SK
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Date: 20 Nov 93 11:44:31 GMT
From: yeshua.marcam.com!wrdis02.robins.af.mil!lakeith@uunet.uu.net
To: info-hams@ucsd.edu
References <2cbf01$nvt@kelly.teleport.com>, <2cg4sn$3gf@jericho.mc.com>, <18NOV199313462274@nssdca.gsfc.nasa.gov>ke
Subject : Re: License Datapoints
ERICH FRANZ STOCKER (stocker@nssdca.gsfc.nasa.gov) wrote:
.....Stuff deleted...........
: Its a shame really. We need the league to be stronger now than ever. Of course,
: I am not advocating that that means no criticism. We owe the league
: CONSTRUCTIVE criticism and suggestions. Those who feel that they have a
: better way should take a greater part in the league not eschew it. Mindless
: rebellion is not required for a successful democracy. Total rejection
: based on the fact that the league does not agree with all of ones personal
: views, is also not very productive. Invovlement is the key!
: IMHO
: Erich
: n3oxm
Well said! The ARRL has served us well and continues to do so! Even
Wayne Green recommends that all hams be league members. As with most
things in life, what we get from the ARRL is directly related to how
much we give..
In fact, I find that most league bashers are not members and have
never been members.. I have found that questions addressed to the
Headquarters staff are usually answered quickly and courteously. Some
elected officials are less responsive than I would like. But, I can't
help fix it by standing on the outside and yelling at them.
Emotion aside, If you investigate the situation, I think you will
find more reasons to be a member than not. And, if you are a member,
your opinions will certainly count more than those who stand on the
outside and yell.
I'm not an organizer and I am not an activist. I'm just an average
ham who gets his money's worth from League membership.
73,
Larry, KQ4BY
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Date: 20 Nov 93 15:35:40 GMT
From: ogicse!emory!kd4nc!ke4zv!gary@network.ucsd.edu
To: info-hams@ucsd.edu
References <1993Nov18.034401.1913@mulvey.com>, <1993Nov18.143557.3937@ke4zv.atl.ga.us>, <1993Nov19.001658.26868@unet.net.com>
Reply-To : gary@ke4zv.UUCP (Gary Coffman)
Subject : Re: Miss Manners in the Novice Sub-bands?
In article <1993Nov19.001658.26868@unet.net.com> larson@loren.net.com (Alan Larson) writes:
>In article <1993Nov18.143557.3937@ke4zv.atl.ga.us> gary@ke4zv.atl.ga.us (Gary Coffman) writes:
>
>>Sure, absolutely, that's what I said. Read it again. If *neither*
>>party were Novice/Tech+ then I think it's rude for them to occupy
>>the tiny band segment allocated to N/T when they have plenty of
>>alternative space available.
>
> Last I checked, folks were objecting to CW in the phone segments
>as rude. This means that the Novice/Tech+ segments are 1/3 of all
>the availiable space on 40 and 15 meters. Granted, the 80 meter
>segment is a somewhat smaller percentage, but it seems you are
>trying to exile high speed CW to ever smaller parts of the band.
Well first of all you won't hear me objecting to A1 emissions in
the voice parts of the HF bands. That's what notch filters are for,
especially the new multi-notch DSP filters. I'm for anything that
pushes the radio art, and band sharing between voice and Morse
is one such thing.
I'm, mildly, objecting to running race cars on the learner's track. The
beginners aren't as skilled at separating signals and need a little
more elbow room to conduct their activities. So I'm suggesting it
would be good to voluntarily restrict our activities as experienced
amateurs to making contacts with N/T stations in their band segments
rather than using that spectrum for our general operations. It's not
illegal, immoral, or fattening for Extras to chat with each other in
the Novice bands, but it isn't very considerate of the beginners trying
to also use their limited slice of spectrum.
N/T have none of 160 meters, 1/10th of 80 meters, 1/6th of 40 meters,
none of 30 meters, none of 20 meters, none of 17 meters, 1/5th of 15
meters, none of 12 meters, and 2/17ths of 10 meters for A1 operation.
A total of 400 kHz out of 3.6 Mhz available to Extra class CW operators
at HF. Avoiding voice and image allocations too, most of which are on
10 meters, the Extra still has 1.5 MHz available for CW. For a mode that
claims to be so spectrum conserving, when done by experts, that should be
plenty.
> Remember, they may not really have other space availiable, given
>restrictions such as antenna bandwidths.
I'd laugh if this didn't make me want to cry. Somebody with a higher
than N/T license should know how to deal with this. If hams can load
bedsprings and work the world, it's been done, then this isn't a
reasonable objection except in some rather exceptional circumstances,
mainly at 160 meters where N/Ts can't go anyway.
> I suppose it is similarly rude for users of other digital modes,
>such as packet, to run them in the CW portions of the band, when
>they have other alternative space availiable?
Since the data modes are *restricted by regulation* to the data portions
of the HF bands, erronously called the CW portions, while the CW operators
are not, this is a red herring. There are "gentlemen's agreements" between
the data users and the CW users that voluntarily restrict the data users
to small segments of their legally available spectrum. Those agreements
are in a bit of flux as data use increases, but it's the CW operators who
have other HF spectrum legally available, not the data users.
Gary
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