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Subject: Info-Hams Digest V93 #1331
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Info-Hams Digest Wed, 10 Nov 93 Volume 93 : Issue 1331
Today's Topics:
FOR SALE: MFJ 1278 TNC (Multi mode data controller)
Fun with Radio Shack
How Sensitive Are Front-Ends? (2 msgs)
License Datapoints
One Antenna Two (2 msgs)
PRO-57 mods for 137-138MHz wanted
question about Rohn 25 tower sections
SAREX Keps & Update 10/28
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Date: 8 Nov 1993 21:47:56 GMT
From: noc.near.net!ctron-news.ctron.com!ctron.com!geremia@uunet.uu.net
Subject: FOR SALE: MFJ 1278 TNC (Multi mode data controller)
To: info-hams@ucsd.edu
Hello,,
Does this unit really work ok.... I am looking for exactly that.......
I have a PC,, does it come with software..
Thanks.. Peter Geremia
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Date: 9 Nov 93 09:57:46 GMT
From: ogicse!uwm.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!cyber2.cyberstore.ca!nntp.cs.ubc.ca!mala.bc.ca!babiyd@network.ucsd.edu
Subject: Fun with Radio Shack
To: info-hams@ucsd.edu
> I would not pay the $3.00. Instead I spent .29 on a letter of complaint to RS
> at Fort Worth, TX and about 3 weeks later what came in the mail. A RS catalog
> and a letter of apology for the "shabby treatment" I received in the store. It
> was sort of funny, I never mentioned anything about shabby treatment at all.
> Just that after purchasing thousands of dollars of parts and computer stuff I
> refused to pay $3 for their catalog.
The salesperson said, "Oh, you're a good customer..." and ripped out the cupon
for a free catalog from the front of the catalog she handed to me. *grin*
Dale,
VE7XDB
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Date: 9 NOV 93 14:23:39
From: pa.dec.com!nntpd.lkg.dec.com!wrksys.enet.dec.com!denning@decwrl.dec.com
Subject: How Sensitive Are Front-Ends?
To: info-hams@ucsd.edu
In article <1993Nov9.145034.17948@ke4zv.atl.ga.us>, gary@ke4zv.atl.ga.us (Gary Coffman) writes...
>In article <2bmn9j$d0q@oak.oakland.edu> sdkuo@argo.acs.oakland.edu writes:
>>How sensitive are the front-ends of my scanner, cell-phone and amateur
>>rig? My plan is to have an Icom2410 (up to 45/35 watts on 144/440),
>>scanner (wide-band) and cell-phone (3 watts on 800) all mounted in
>>my car. All three antennas will be at the rear end spaced approximately
>>2-3 feet from each other. The Icom antenna will be trunk-lip-mount, the
>>cell-phone antenna is glass mount at the top of the glass and the scanner
>>antenna will be trunk-lip-mount on the other side. With this configuration
>>is it safe to operate all three devices simultaneously without fear of
>>damaging front-ends?
Well I run 4 radios 30-50, 150-174, 450-470 and 865 (trunked SMR)
All on one antenna with a multiplexor. Both are made by Austin antenna
in Gonic NH. All except the 800Mhz trunking are 100+ watts. Never had
a bit of trouble. I have better performance than I had with 4 antennas
and I have had multiple radios transmitting and receiving at the
same time (I have a x-band repeat on the low-band/Uhf.
Don
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Date: 9 Nov 1993 21:28:45 GMT
From: nmt.edu!mimbres.cs.unm.edu!saimiri.primate.wisc.edu!sdd.hp.com!cs.utexas.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!agate!linus!pscgate.progress.com!elba!damelio@network.ucsd.edu
Subject: How Sensitive Are Front-Ends?
To: info-hams@ucsd.edu
Steve Kuo (sdkuo@argo.acs.oakland.edu) wrote:
: is it safe to operate all three devices simultaneously without fear of
: damaging front-ends?
If you operate all three at once , you may receive front-end damage, to
your car! :-)
--
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| 70 Mustang 351C part to reduce the
#7 & #28 | 88 Mustang 302 deficit.
| - 1,025hp -
There's no replacement, for displacement.
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Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1993 21:52:52 GMT
From: pacbell.com!well!nigel.msen.com!sdd.hp.com!cs.utexas.edu!swrinde!emory!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!news.ans.net!malgudi.oar.net!picker!news@network.ucsd.edu
Subject: License Datapoints
To: info-hams@ucsd.edu
Have your YL look for her license in about 6-7 weeks. I took my test
(cleveland, Ohio) in Sept.; received license this Friday -- elapsed time was 6
wks and 5 days.
73 KB8QHS
In <CG6yC3.Mny@hpcvsnz.cv.hp.com> davidc@lsid.hp.com writes:
> My wife just passed her exams for a technician amateur license on Nov 5.
> How long did it take for those of you who have received new licenses lately
> to receive them from the date you took your exam? I have not seen any data
> points posted recently.
>
> 73
>
> Dave, KB7QCL
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Date: 9 Nov 1993 09:55:23 -0700
From: sdd.hp.com!spool.mu.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!paladin.american.edu!gatech!udel!news.sprintlink.net!agphx.agcs.com!not-for-mail@network.ucsd.edu
Subject: One Antenna Two
To: info-hams@ucsd.edu
In the process of looking at dual band (2m/70cm) mobile radios, I have
observed some radios come with one antenna lead for both bands,
others, two antenna leads, one for each band.
For the radios with one antenna lead, the obvious need is a dual band
antenna. However, my question lies in those radios with two antenna
leads. What are the advantages / disadvantages of:
1. From a two antenna lead, run separate coax, mount two single band
antennas on the vehicle.
Adv: - Each antenna tuned for a particular band
Dis: - Two antennas on top of vehicle
- Two coax runs required
2. From a two antenna lead, run into a duplexer, run coax to dual band
antenna.
Adv: - Single antenna on vehicle
Dis:
In pricing the two options, the cost for each setup would be
about the same.
Any additional information on the above would be appreciated.
Still waiting for my license...
-Dan
--
Dan Romanenko Voice: (602) 581-4663 AG Communication Systems
Dept. Quality Consultant Fax: (602) 582-7111 P.O. Box 52179
Internet: romanenkod@agcs.com Phoenix, AZ 85072-2179
UUCP: ....!ncar!noao!enuucp!gtephx!romanenkod
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Date: 10 Nov 93 02:54:41 GMT
From: ogicse!emory!kd4nc!ke4zv!gary@network.ucsd.edu
Subject: One Antenna Two
To: info-hams@ucsd.edu
In article <2boi1r$6pr@vlsi.agcs.com> romanenkod@agcs.com (Dan Romanenko) writes:
>In the process of looking at dual band (2m/70cm) mobile radios, I have
>observed some radios come with one antenna lead for both bands,
>others, two antenna leads, one for each band.
>For the radios with one antenna lead, the obvious need is a dual band
>antenna. However, my question lies in those radios with two antenna
>leads. What are the advantages / disadvantages of:
>1. From a two antenna lead, run separate coax, mount two single band
> antennas on the vehicle.
> Adv: - Each antenna tuned for a particular band
> Dis: - Two antennas on top of vehicle
> - Two coax runs required
>2. From a two antenna lead, run into a duplexer, run coax to dual band
> antenna.
> Adv: - Single antenna on vehicle
> Dis:
>In pricing the two options, the cost for each setup would be
>about the same.
>Any additional information on the above would be appreciated.
The tradeoff with a duplexer and dualbander versus two single band
antennas centers around whether the losses in the duplexer and
dualband antenna are outweighed by the superior mounting, and lack
of interference to the pattern by other nearby antennas. IMHO, the
duplexer/dualbander arrangement is usually the winner. The interaction,
and poorer mounting locations of the two antenna approach is usually
a worse problem than the losses in the duplexer and dualbander. That
assumes an ideal center of top mounting for the dualbander. If you're
going to fender or deck mount the antennas, the difference becomes
moot.
Gary
--
Gary Coffman KE4ZV |"If 10% is good enough | gatech!wa4mei!ke4zv!gary
Destructive Testing Systems | for Jesus, it's good | uunet!rsiatl!ke4zv!gary
534 Shannon Way | enough for Uncle Sam."| emory!kd4nc!ke4zv!gary
Lawrenceville, GA 30244 | -Ray Stevens |
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Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1993 21:53:04 GMT
From: pacbell.com!well!nigel.msen.com!yale.edu!cs.yale.edu!csusys.ctstateu.edu!white@network.ucsd.edu
Subject: PRO-57 mods for 137-138MHz wanted
To: info-hams@ucsd.edu
Hi All
I am looking for mods to a RS PRO-57 scanner that will open it up to
allow reception of the 137-138MHz NOAA APT satellite signal. Any mods,
sites with mods, etc. appreciated.
73s
Harry
white@csusys.ctstateu.edu
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Date: 10 Nov 93 02:46:18 GMT
From: ogicse!emory!kd4nc!ke4zv!gary@network.ucsd.edu
Subject: question about Rohn 25 tower sections
To: info-hams@ucsd.edu
I've covered this before, but I'll repeat the highlights. Using old
tower is potentially dangerous so follow inspection procedures carefully.
In article <9311091428.AA24964@wa2cjt.wellfleet> ginsburg@wellfleet.COM (Scott Ginsburg) writes:
>
>I have the opportunity to pick up 4 10 ft sections of Rohn 25 tower for $100.
>They're 25 years old, and have been sitting in a garage for the last
>18 years. They spent the first 7 years in a free-standing configuration,
>no house brackets, no guys. The seller told me the tower has had 2 men
>on top with no problem, and it lived through 2 hurricanes during the 7
>years.
>
>My questions are:
>
> 1. What are the chances that the bottom section, or any other
> sections were weakened enough over 7 years to yield the tower
> unsafe given the lack of secure installation?
The two greatest concerns are that the tower has been damaged by excess
stress, and that the tower has succumbed to corrosion over it's 25 year
life. Only careful inspection will tell you. The fact that it was used
at 40 feet isn't of much concern, but living through 2 hurricanes may
be, as is having two men on top.
> 2. What signs can I look for that will indicate damage?
Look for any twist. Flip the sections over on a level floor. The
section should lay flat. An 1/8th inch deviation may be acceptable,
1/4 inch is a definite sign of trouble. Inspect the Z bracing. The
welds should be sound and the braces straight. Look at the end stubs.
The stub should be straight and round, the holes shouldn't show
distortion. Of course throw away any old bolts.
Look carefully for signs of corrosion. A few spots of light surface
rust may be OK, but any indication of heavy rusting, inside or out,
is cause to discard the section. Run a rag through the inside of the
tubes. Look for rust on the rag, and shine a light down the cleaned
bore. There shouldn't be any pitting. You can have a tower re-dipped
to restore the galvanizing, but the metal has to be sound underneath
or you're just creating a good looking death trap.
If you really want to trust your life to the tower, use Dyechem or
Magnaflux inspection methods to detect any concealed cracking. I do
a full inspection on even *new* tower sections, and I've sent a few
back. It's my life that's at risk.
Gary
--
Gary Coffman KE4ZV |"If 10% is good enough | gatech!wa4mei!ke4zv!gary
Destructive Testing Systems | for Jesus, it's good | uunet!rsiatl!ke4zv!gary
534 Shannon Way | enough for Uncle Sam."| emory!kd4nc!ke4zv!gary
Lawrenceville, GA 30244 | -Ray Stevens |
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Date: 10 Nov 93 04:02:05 GMT
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Subject: SAREX Keps & Update 10/28
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SB SAREX @ AMSAT $STS-58.025
SAREX Keps & Update: 10/28
Thursday 10/28/93 @ 08:00 UTC
The last school group contact was completed yesterday. The Portsmouth HS
in Portsmouth, New Hampshire had a telebridge contact using stations in
California (Ralph Warner, N6MNN) and Texas (Bob Douglas, W5GEL). The
students asked 5 questions during this bridge contact.
Hams across the U.S. and around the world continue to work the Shuttle
Columbia on both voice and packet. Moreover, the completion of school
group contacts has cleared several school backup passes for possible
general QSO opportunities. While the SAREX Working Group cannot fully
guarantee availability, there is a high probability that the STS-58 crew
will be ready to take general calls over the continental U.S. on these
passes. Two of these "scheduled" passes remain. These include orbit
178 at MET 11 days 1 hour 42 minutes (10/29 at 16:35 UTC) and orbit 192
at MET 11 days 22 hours and 29 minutes (10/30 at 13:22 UTC). Please note
that the astronauts operated voice during yesterday's "scheduled" pass
which occurred on 10/27 at 14:59 UTC (Orbit 145). Also note that hams on
the ground heard or worked the Shuttle Columbia crew on several other orbits
yesterday.
Element set GSFC-031, generated by Ron Parise, WA4SIR, is the official SAREX
set for today. Please note that there is only a six second difference
between element set GSFC-025 (released two days ago) and element set GSFC-
031.
STS-58
1 22869U 93065A 93300.17699070 0.00133671 99048-5 24183-3 0 318
2 22869 39.0252 71.9896 0012817 34.2105 325.9529 16.00500857 1383
Satellite: STS-58
Catalog number: 22869
Epoch time: 93300.17699070 (27 OCT 93 04:14:51.** UTC)
Element set: GSFC-031
Inclination: 39.0252 deg
RA of node: 71.9896 deg Space Shuttle Flight STS-58
Eccentricity: 0.0012817 Keplerian Elements
Arg of perigee: 34.2105 deg
Mean anomaly: 325.9529 deg
Mean motion: 16.00500857 rev/day Semi-major Axis: 6651.1630 Km
Decay rate: 0.13E-02 rev/day*2 Apogee Alt: 281.30 Km
Epoch rev: 138 Perigee Alt: 264.25 Km
NOTE - This element set is based on NORAD element set # 031.
The spacecraft has been propagated to the next ascending
node, and the orbit number has been adjusted to bring it
into agreement with the NASA numbering convention.
Submitted by Frank H. Bauer, KA3HDO for the SAREX Working Group
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Date: 9 Nov 93 03:00:12 GMT
From: munnari.oz.au!sol.ccs.deakin.edu.au!news.cs.uow.edu.au!news.ci.com.au!eram!dave@uunet.uu.net
To: info-hams@ucsd.edu
References <CFxKw9.6Ms@rd1.InterLan.COM>, <2b9l9lINN8pr@flop.ENGR.ORST.EDU>, <WY1Z.93Nov5141317@splinter.coe.northeastern.edu>i.com
Subject : Re: Questions about Yaesu FT-411E
In article <WY1Z.93Nov5141317@splinter.coe.northeastern.edu>,
wy1z@splinter.coe.northeastern.edu (Scott Ehrlich) writes:
| Unless I am mistaken, I think the only real difference between the 411 and
| 411E is that the 411E has the Tone Encode/Decode board built-in, where
| it is extra for the 411.
And I thought it was because they fixed some receiver problem...
--
Dave Horsfall (VK2KFU) VK2KFU @ VK2RWI.NSW.AUS.OC PGP 2.3
dave@esi.COM.AU ...munnari!esi.COM.AU!dave available
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Date: 8 Nov 1993 21:31:59 GMT
From: drt@athena.mit.edu
To: info-hams@ucsd.edu
References <Pine.3.07.9307191647.A12858-b100000@uafhp.uark.edu>, <19JUL199323483234@erich.triumf.ca>, <2bln90$1du@rani.arz.oeaw.ac.at>con.m
Subject : Re: How does an American sign in Canada?
In article <2bln90$1du@rani.arz.oeaw.ac.at>, sint@lezvax.arz.oeaw.ac.at (Sint Peter-Paul) writes:
|> bennett@erich.triumf.ca (P.Bennett) writes:
|>
|> >In article <Pine.3.07.9307191647.A12858-b100000@uafhp.uark.edu>, plaws@uafhp.uark.edu (Peter Laws) writes...
|> >>So:
|> >>
|> >>Can the US government force US citizens to obey US laws while they are not
|> >>in the US?
|> >>
|> >>Even when those laws conflict/differ from the foreign country's laws?
NO. In general. Income tax laws are probably an exception. Most
things, like minimum age of alcohol consumption, for example, wouldn't
be, though. Or amateur radio operation. No jurisdiction.
|> >>
|> That is not true in general: US companies (and with them citizens) have to
|> comply with US laws abroad!
|> >No. But the forgien country can make such requirements.
True. The US does. Foreign amateurs in the US are limited to the
privileges of their home licenses that Extras also have.
|>
|> >I believe _Canada_ (not the US) requires that US amateurs comply with their
|> >(US) band limits, as well as the Canadian limits, while in Canada.
I have a copy of the Canadian rules, and I spent $20.00 talking to a
very nice fellow at Communications Canada in Sherbrooke, and both agree:
THIS IS NOT TRUE, DESPITE WHAT ANYONE SAYS. CANADA HAS NO SUCH
REQUIREMENT.
I believe them, even though the ARRL says otherwise, even though at
least one person has emailed me saying a DOC type told him THE EXACT
OPPOSITE. But that's NOT in the rules.
*The rules say that *ANY* foreign amateur who has passed a 12+ wpm test
has the ADVANCED + 12 privileges, that is, everything. This applies to
Generals and above. Remember, Canadians have band plans but no legal
HF subbands or mode restrictions (just bandwidth restrictions applied
to entire bands). Phone is *legal* (but not welcome) everwhere. Like
160. Really!
*Any foreign amateur passing a 5-11 wpm code test has BASIC privileges
on VHF and up (that's all the Technician stuff with a minor restriction
or two concerning power (250 W DC in, I think), forbidding homebrew,
and banning CONTROL operating of repeaters OR holding a club station
license), PLUS CW on ALL frequencies below 30 MHz, subject to those
minor restrictions. Unlike Canadian Basic + 5 licensees, they are NOT
restricted to 4 MHz and below, but the CANNOT use phone there, either.
This would apply to Novices, and Technicians who have passed a code
test.
*Any foreign amateur with NO code is considered an ADVANCED no-code,
with (basically :-) full Technician privileges and no Basic class
restrictions. This applies to No-code Tech, clearly, with the
entertaining irony that no-code Techs can use full power on 2 meters,
but those who have passed a code test cannot. (No, I don't know how
they tell the difference.)
Now all you need is a chart of frequencies and maybe your own copy of
the rules, a couple of dozen 8-1/2 x 11 sheets.
The reciprocal treaty? It requires you to ID in English (Canadians can
ID in French, too, and I don't see why Canada would care if you did,
anyway, since there's no restriction in the rules themselves), and give
location by municipality and province/territory. Oh, and ID in this
form, if for example you're me in Quebec: KG2S/VE2. That's it.
-drt
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|David R. Tucker KG2S 8P9CL drt@mit.edu|
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