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Subject: Info-Hams Digest V93 #1293
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Info-Hams Digest Sun, 31 Oct 93 Volume 93 : Issue 1293
Today's Topics:
"Vanity" Call Signs
'Vanity' Call Signs
characteristic impedance
Contact with Space Shuttle
linked repeaters question
Mac ham software
Mirage Amplifiers in Repeater Service
STS-58 QSL
TM-732 "involuntary shutdown" mode? Mic wiring plan?
VK2SG RTTY DX Notes, 29 October
WANTED: Shuttle Audio Freqs / Ham Radio Rebroadcasts in San Diego
What logging program for CQ WW DX?
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Date: Sat, 30 Oct 1993 17:31:01 GMT
From: library.ucla.edu!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!emory!swrinde!sdd.hp.com!col.hp.com!news.dtc.hp.com!hplextra!hpfcso!ajs@network.ucsd.edu
Subject: "Vanity" Call Signs
To: info-hams@ucsd.edu
> Well I guess AL got his vanity call without the extra charge.
Once upon a time, for a short period, extras (?) could get specific
calls by request. For example, locally a guy known as OJ is K0OJ.
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Date: 30 Oct 1993 14:07:26 GMT
From: drt@athena.mit.edu
Subject: 'Vanity' Call Signs
To: info-hams@ucsd.edu
In article <wier-291093131830@csci-wiermac.etsu.edu> wier@merlin.etsu.edu (Bob Wier) writes:
I had a running battle with the Arizona DOT for years about auto
registration.
Turns out that state makes a MAJOR hassle about things along these lines.
For example,
they won't sell you a parking permit for the University UNLESS you have
an Arizona
Registration with ARIZONA insurance (I'd moved there from Colorado - had
Colorado
based insurance from a company which did business in both states - the
company said
"sure it's good in Arizona" - but I had to cancel it and buy friggin
ARIZONA insurace at
ARIZONA controlled rates!) All this time I owned property, paid taxes,
voted, and maintained
a year round residence back in Colorado -
This sounds very, very familiar up here ... then I moved out of Cambridge,
and we have no permit parking in Natick.
However, at any rate - one reason I was fighting this was because I had
Colorado call
sign plates. And in Arizona when you register your car, not only do you
have to put
ARIZONA plates on your car, they CONFISCATE your old plates (called
"surrendering" them).
Couldn't you get out of this by cancelling your CO registration, then
registering your "unregistered" car? You'd need to borrow a car to
get to the Registry or whatever they call it.
I also checked about call sign plates in RRIZONA (they cost $2/yr in
Colorado) - turns
out they are classed as vanity plates and have the same exhorbitant
charge - and this
is in Barry Goldwater land!
Well, here in the Massachusetts (Dukakis/McGovern land), where ordinary
registration is $35 every two years, I think, for renewal, vanity
plates cost $35 per year, but amateur plates are special: they cost $70
every two years. (Or is it the other way around? I forget. :-] )
-drt
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|David R. Tucker KG2S 8P9CL drt@mit.edu|
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|`Most political sermons teach the congregation nothing except |
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Date: 31 Oct 93 08:38:24 GMT
From: library.ucla.edu!agate!howland.reston.ans.net!xlink.net!fauern!rz.unibw-muenchen.de!claude@network.ucsd.edu
Subject: characteristic impedance
To: info-hams@ucsd.edu
What is the prefered method to measure the characteristic impedance
of a coax line ?
Thanks for your advice.
--
Claude F.
This message may contain opinions which are not shared by my employer.
The facts can speak for themselves.
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Date: Sat, 30 Oct 1993 17:43:44 GMT
From: library.ucla.edu!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!emory!swrinde!sdd.hp.com!col.hp.com!news.dtc.hp.com!hplextra!hpfcso!ajs@network.ucsd.edu
Subject: Contact with Space Shuttle
To: info-hams@ucsd.edu
> Can anybody tell me what equipment is needed to make 2-way contacts
> with the space shuttle?
I can tell you that this combination is very reliable: 160W with an
11-element steerable beam, rotated "by hand" (az/el remote controls,
picking up numbers from QuikTrak on a PC). We got callsign
acknowledgement on seven out of seven tries when there were no technical
difficulties (wrong keps), although often there were other botches (lost
track of which uplink freq we'd used, at least twice!).
I can also tell you that at least one ham, N0TQN here in Fort Collins,
Colorado, made contact with a RUBBER DUCK ANTENNA ON AN HT WITH 2 WATTS
after hearing our contact and noting the uplink freq. Amazing!
> ...wondering what time (UTC) of day the probability is higher to hear
> phone QSOs. I suppose the crew has a more or less regular "daily"
> schedule.
I can only tell you that we didn't hear any voice before 10/23, none
again until 10/26, and then on almost every pass we could use here (not
too early and not too low). That meant about 0730, 0900, and 1030 MDT.
(Passes were almost exactly 1.5 hours apart, but drifted slowly earlier,
with peak passes drifting earlier faster.) Exceptions were 1027.0900,
1028.0730, and 1030.0900 (when we knew from NASA Select that the crew
was busy).
This information is now moot anyway since we heard they will pack up the
SAREX gear this afternoon.
I have noticed over several missions that, as you'd expect, there are
more voice passes later in the mission.
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Date: 31 Oct 93 08:14:05 GMT
From: ogicse!uwm.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!uxa.cso.uiuc.edu!n-dade@network.ucsd.edu
Subject: linked repeaters question
To: info-hams@ucsd.edu
We here have a question about linking ATV repeaters together.
(actually it will happen with any repeaters---ATV is not required)
When the first repeater stops transmitting the "user's" signal,
it will transmit its ID picture for a few seconds and then go
off the air. The second repeater will then transmits its ID picture
and go off the air. However the first repeater could be reopened
up by the second repeater's ID picture transmission, and so on,
creating a loop where each repeater's sign off is retransmitted
by the other, which then signs off itself, etc... .
In California they seem to have this problem licked. How do they
do it?
- Nicolas Dade / n9rab / nicolas-dade@uiuc.edu
(with the collaboration of Marcus Damburger / n9rze / marcus.damburger@)
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Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1993 10:53:14 GMT
From: dog.ee.lbl.gov!agate!spool.mu.edu!olivea!grapevine.lcs.mit.edu!lynx!sehrlich@network.ucsd.edu
Subject: Mac ham software
To: info-hams@ucsd.edu
This is another reminder that the World (world.std.com) has an increasing
amount of ham related Macintosh files.
The subdirectory is: /pub/hamradio/mac
If anyone has ANY ham related Macintosh programs they would like to
offer, even if the archives already have them, please feel free to
place them into the /pub/hamradio/Incoming directory or e-mail the
program(s) to me.
Also, if anyone has ANY comments about the hamradio FTP area, please
e-mail them to me.
Thanks much in advance.
73,
Scott, WY1Z
Maintainer of the World ~/hamradio FTP area
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| Amateur Radio: wy1z AX.25: wy1z@wa1phy.#ema.ma.usa.na |
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| Know your weaknesses, show your strengths - Anonymous |
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| Amateur Radio: wy1z AX.25: wy1z@wa1phy.#ema.ma.usa.na |
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Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1993 12:16:15 GMT
From: psinntp!gdstech!gdstech!bat@uunet.uu.net
Subject: Mirage Amplifiers in Repeater Service
To: info-hams@ucsd.edu
We had used 2 Mirage amps (100w) in repeater service on Long Island
for many years. WE started having problems where some components
would overheat, and meltdown. A few repairs were done by club members,
but problems continued. So, we switched to a Vocomm amp, and it
is doing quite a nice job.
--
*-----------------------------------------------------------*
* Pat Masterson D12-25 | KE2LJ@KC2FD *
* Grumman Data Systems | 516-346-6316. *
* Bethpage, NY 11746 | bat@gdstech.grumman.com *
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Date: Sat, 30 Oct 1993 01:06:09 GMT
From: sdd.hp.com!col.hp.com!news.dtc.hp.com!hplextra!hpfcso!ajs@network.ucsd.edu
Subject: STS-58 QSL
To: info-hams@ucsd.edu
> ...I happened to hear one of the operators on the shuttle working
> several stations.
Yes! You can do it easily, although briefly. See my appended reports.
We're having a great time making contacts here in Colorado at a school
station.
> Can I get a shuttle QSL for a reception-only report? Where do I send
> the report? Should I include a SASE or stamps?
Yes! From this newsgroup a while back:
For radio amateurs who make or hear the SAREX station, you are
invited to send a QSL card to confirm a packet or voice contact
or a SWL report. Send your QSL card to the following address:
ARRL EAD, STS-58 QSL
225 Main Street
Newington, CT 06111
Please allow for up to 6-10 months for the STS-58 SAREX Mission
QSL card to be mailed. Please include with your QSL card all
the specific QSO information such as, date, time, mode,
frequency, etc. Also, and most importantly, if you wish to
receive a QSL card confirming a contact, YOU MUST INCLUDE A
SELF-ADDRESS-STAMPED-ENVELOPE (SASE) WITH PROPER POSTAGE! If
you do not include a SASE, you will not receive a QSL card. ...
___________
From: Alan Silverstein <ajs@hpfcajs.fc.hp.com>
Subject: how to QSO Columbia
This morning we had much better luck talking with Columbia...
During orbit 161 (about 0730, groan) we heard neither packet nor
voice. I hung around Webber for two more passes, doing stuff
with the kids in between -- explaining radio stuff and orbital
mechanics, and getting them on the air to make patch phone calls
via CSU.
During orbit 162 at about 9 am Grant Pahlau, N0QBA, was present.
He's the teacher who set up the school SAREX contact but never
got on the air during it. A student used his call sign. He did
what I did yesterday -- grabbed the mike from the student -- and
got a "59" acknowledgement from Bill, KC5ACR. In the heat of
the moment he forgot to mention we were at Webber and to thank
Marty for Saturday's QSO. But it was a kick. Columbia
immediately went on to another contact, and Grant was quickly
back teaching class.
During orbit 163 Paul (KG0CZ) and I were present with just one
student. We put the student on to call with Paul's sign,
between trying packet connections. To our surprise the
astronauts were on voice again. The student got an
acknowledgement from KC5ACR at about 1038, almost mid-pass (24
degrees elevation in the SSW). The student kinda froze so Paul
grabbed the mike from him and said we were at Webber in Fort
Collins and thanked Marty for the Saturday QSO. Whereupon
Marty, KC5AXA, responded. We were so high on adrenaline that we
don't remember exactly what Marty said!
I thought Paul hadn't mentioned Webber, so I grabbed the mike
from him in turn and said something like, "N0 Mike Fox Whiskey
with KG0C Zed, at the Webber Junior High station in Fort
Collins. Thanks Marty for the great contact last Saturday.
Hope you have a good flight." He said something about them
enjoying themselves and it being a good day. I responded
inanely with, "Please record KG0C Zed and November 0 Mike Fox
Whiskey, and on to your next contact, thanks." Which he did.
It's amazing how most everyone gets mike fright when you are
on-line with the shuttle. We also forgot to start a voice
recorder, sigh. ...
____________
From: Alan Silverstein <ajs@hpfcajs.fc.hp.com>
Subject: how to QSO Columbia three more times
The Webber Junior High station is having phenomenal success
reaching Columbia. We connected with them on three successive
orbits this morning, with different call signs and kids involved
each time. That makes five successes in five attempts in two
days.
This morning I just couldn't make it out of bed and over there
for the first good pass, but I listened on my HT from bed (!).
I heard Columbia loud and clear with a hot rod antenna. I also
heard John (N0LHW) at Webber get through on 144.97 MHz, so I
programmed my radio to that uplink freq and made some calls
myself -- with 2.5W! Why not? I didn't get acknowledged, of
course...
I was at the school for the later two passes. To my amazement
there was someone onboard Columbia doing QSOs for all three
orbits this morning. It's not so amazing that we got through
each time considering the great equipment setup courtesy of
John. (As Paul observed, "it's like shooting ducks in a
barrel".) It is amazing, though, that several times in the last
two days we've actually heard Columbia having to call CQ.
The Webber station has now reached Columbia on seven different
orbits...
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Date: 30 Oct 93 18:52:29 GMT
From: world!news.mtholyoke.edu!nic.umass.edu!risky.ecs.umass.edu!umaecs!gskibisk@uunet.uu.net
Subject: TM-732 "involuntary shutdown" mode? Mic wiring plan?
To: info-hams@ucsd.edu
Does anyone know the mic plug witing scheme for the Kenwood
TM-732A? It uses that modular Kenwood plug. I am trying to hook it up to
an autopatch. I have the cable but I don't want to play with it because
the first time I did that it went into this "protective" mode. Now, I am
an electrical engineer so I was careful, but has anyone experienced this:
The radio will not transmit at all, on either band, although
it indicates that it is transmitting on the display. It will not make
a sound. There is no audio out- not even a beep. It will not register
incoming signals at all. Other then that, the display and functions
work perfectly.
Obviously, due to my poking, it has gone into some kind
of protective mode- maybe I've blown an internal fuse?
I tried all resets and the usual. I know how to op. the
radio so I'm not missing something. Obviously, this is not a problem
where I've broken something major as it is only 2 days old- it is in
some mode and I can't get it out.
Has this happened to anyone? Does anyone have any ideas about
this type of "partial involuntary shutdown?"
Insight would be appreciated!!!
Greg N1NJW
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Date: Sat, 30 Oct 93 12:10:36 GMT
From: sdd.hp.com!usc!math.ohio-state.edu!magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu!cis.ohio-state.edu!mstar!n8emr!bulletin@network.ucsd.edu
Subject: VK2SG RTTY DX Notes, 29 October
To: info-hams@ucsd.edu
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| N8EMR's Ham BBS, 614-895-2553 |
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SB DX @ ALLBBS $RTDX1029
VK2SG RTTY DX Notes, 29 October
VK2SG RTTY DX Notes for week ending 29 October 1993 (BID RTDX1029)
Our information this week comes from 9X5LJ, DJ3IW and the DB0BCC
Cluster Node, I5FLN, I5ICY, I5IGY, KE6XJ, N0AFW, SP5AA, VP8BFH,
WA1MPB, WB2CJL, W2TKU, W5KSI, ZS4Y, ZS5S, and the NJ0M Node of the
Twin Cities DX Packet Cluster Network. Thanks to all for your help.
Bandpass:
Friday 22
0543-21071 J28BM ARQ
0543-14081 VU2RAK
0710-14082 NL7ZH
0759-14088 WL7EF
1105-24086 3A2LZ
1135-28081 J28BM QSL K1SE
1234-14087 SO6AD
1317-14088 4N7N QSL to Branko, Box 34, Novi Sad 21101, Yugoslavia
1410-14085 VK9CG
1450-14084 S21A
1537-21083 J28JJ see note
1622-14088 RJ7JYZ QSL Box 126, Dushanbe, 734000 Tadzhikistan
1748-14097 SV5AZK
1843-14088 FR5GS
1935-14092 ZD8VJ QSL G4ZVJ
2249-14087 HK0DPA
2255-14083 VK6HD
Saturday 23
0700-21083 UH5E/UA9TK
0704-14087 RJ7JYZ
0735-14084 CN8NP
0739-14085 3C1EA
0838-21079 OK3NBG
1030-14082 3A2EZ
1100-21083 UW9CC
1105-14085 V73C
1158-21087 ZD8VJ
1232-14084 OM3CPA
1354-14084 9V1ZM QSL VE3MMB
1423-14085 VK9CG
1456-14087 ZD8VJ
1552-14088 S51GL
1620-14085 RJ7JYZ
1718-21086 CU1AC
1805-18095 3B9FR (that's right - 17m band)
1827-14080 VU2YK
1953-14084 HA9OA
2047-14086 UA1ZJD
2100-14089 VK2KM
2108-14085 KL7AJ
2130-14084 HK3CAA
Sunday 24
0927-21081 SV2ASP/A see note
1109-21088 TR8MD QSL F6FNU
1311-21087 9H1ET
1324-21078 FT4WD QSL F6AAX
1451-21084 V51A
1503-14082 9J2HN
1537-21084 FR5GS
1544-21088 GW4YMJ
1551-21082 HJ6SQQ
1634-14084 LY1DD
1657-14087 RT4UZ
1707-14086 LA7AJ
1817-21086 J28BM
1830-21082 EP2A
2319-14086 UH5E/UA9TX
Monday 25
0812-14086 9H1ET
0852-14086 YI1AZ
1209-21083 UH5E/UA9TX QSL DL1FCM
1553-14083 UH5E/UA9TX
1649-21085 TR8MD
2009-14089 PJ2MI
2148-14091 ZD8VJ
2223-14088 FG5GH
2236-14087 WL7EF
Tuesday 26
1639-21090 GM0SZQ
1656-21084 TR8MD
1756-14082 TR8MD
2309-14083 PJ2MI
Wednesday 27
0055-14086 BY1QH
0954-14087 YI1HS
1035-21084 EA6MR
1206-14087 UJ8JCQ
1224-14085 YO3FRI
1302-21089 Z32J
1438-14086 SV2BBJ
1523-14085 LX1DA
1549-14081 IS0AWP
1721-14086 4X6LM
1804-14088 T46RR
1814-14085 EA6MR
2042-14085 ZS4KK/ZS9 SEE NOTE
Thursday 28
1221-14086 VP2V/K4ADK
1530-21086 VP2V/K4ADK
1630-21086 CU1AC
1957-14083 ZS4KK/ZS9
2024-14081 YV5NFL
Notes of Interest:
Djibouti - J28JJ. QSL Jean Jacques Chatelard, Box 1076, Republic Of
Djibouti. Jean Jacques will be stationed there for 3-4 years.
Walvis Bay - Coen, ZS4KK/ZS9 is operating here until 1 Nov. Check all
bands 10-80m including WARC. QSL to CBA of ZS4NS.
Mount Athos - SV2ASP/A, Apollo was heard in QSO with his manager,
SV2WT, but he did not respond to calls from others.
South Georgia - Keith, VP8CKB is still studying fur seals on Bird
Island, but we have had no recent reports of RTTY activity from him.
Perhaps Bob, VP8BFH can encourage him to become RTTY QRV again before
he leaves next February.
We hope for the quick recovery, from major surgery, of Angelo, W5KSI.
send your message of encouragement to him at W5KSI.#NOLA.LA.USA.NA.
He has a packet station at his hospital bedside.
For next week's bulletin, send your Bandpass and Notes of Interest to
Luciano, I5FLN @ ZS5S.ZAF.AF or I5FLN @ 9X5LJ.#KGL.RWA.AF.
73 and good hunting DE Jules W2JGR @ W2TKU.#SRQFL.FL.USA.NA
/EX
SP KT7H @ N7DUO.WA.USA.NA
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Date: Sun, 31 Oct 1993 09:09:57 GMT
From: csus.edu!netcom.com!benji@decwrl.dec.com
Subject: WANTED: Shuttle Audio Freqs / Ham Radio Rebroadcasts in San Diego
To: info-hams@ucsd.edu
You can find the air-to-ground Shuttle repeated on 449.450Mhz
--
_______----_______
Brad A. Pennock ___---~~~~~.. ... .... ... ..~~~~~---___
benji@netcom.com ==============================================
________________________- .. .. _--~~~~~-------____-------~~~~~
(____________________][__)____ -
/ /____---~~~.. .. ..~~-_~ "We put humans on the Moon in less time
<_____________________________- than we've spent debating the space
~~~~~~----__ _- station." Daniel S. Goldin, NASA.
~~~~~~~~~~~
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Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1993 12:24:54 GMT
From: psinntp!gdstech!gdstech!bat@uunet.uu.net
Subject: What logging program for CQ WW DX?
To: info-hams@ucsd.edu
In this part of town, the definitive contest program is CT from
K1EA. It has different setups for all of the different DX
contests that come along.
--
*-----------------------------------------------------------*
* Pat Masterson D12-25 | KE2LJ@KC2FD *
* Grumman Data Systems | 516-346-6316. *
* Bethpage, NY 11746 | bat@gdstech.grumman.com *
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Date: Fri, 29 Oct 93 07:32:56 EST
From: noc.near.net!news.delphi.com!usenet@uunet.uu.net
To: info-hams@ucsd.edu
References <2ahec9INN6se@abyss.West.Sun.COM>, <1993Oct26.130817.1696@mwk.com>, <4760@eram.esi.COM.AU>
Subject : Re: Bird watt-meters can't be exported?
The only serious reason I can think of (aside from U.S. export restrictions,
which seem doubtful) would be that Bird's distributors in other countries might
be demanding that U.S. distributors not be allowed to compete with them by
mail order.
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Date: 30 Oct 93 21:43:03 GMT
From: panix!not-for-mail@uunet.uu.net
To: info-hams@ucsd.edu
References <2agaqq$1fv@bigboote.WPI.EDU>, <2ahec9INN6se@abyss.West.Sun.COM>, <pschleck.751603812@cwis>
Subject : Re: Bird watt-meters can't be exported?
In <pschleck.751603812@cwis> pschleck@cwis.unomaha.edu (Paul W Schleck KD3FU) writes:
>In <2ahec9INN6se@abyss.West.Sun.COM> myers@sunspot.West.Sun.COM (Dana Myers ) writes:
>>In article <2agaqq$1fv@bigboote.WPI.EDU> gkd@wpi.WPI.EDU (Gregory K Doerschler) writes:
>>>In article <4724@eram.esi.COM.AU> dave@esi.COM.AU (Dave Horsfall) writes:
>>>>So, what's with the "Not available for export" notation across the
>>>>photo of the Bird meter in the Barry ads? Too delicate? Upsets
>>>>someone's monopoly? Munitions? Classified equipment?
>>>
>>>The meter would have to be recalibrated to read foreign watts.
>>>
>>> Greg
>>Don't be silly. There is no such thing as foreign watts.
>>For export, you need to recalibrate the Bird wattmeters to read
>>in voltage watts, not current watts.
>Ya know, someone is going to come along and take you guys seriously,
no, boys and girls. the problem is that the coriolis effect would have the
meter rotating backwards in the southern hemisphere.
--
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dannyb@panix.com adds: all the usual disclaimers regarding liability,
intelligence, accuracy apply. spelling disclaimer is doubled.
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Date: Sat, 30 Oct 1993 06:21:25 GMT
From: sdd.hp.com!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!torn!nott!cunews!freenet.carleton.ca!Freenet.carleton.ca!aj467@network.ucsd.edu
To: info-hams@ucsd.edu
References <rohvm1.mah48d-291093075830@136.141.220.39>, <199310261649.JAA01502@ucsd.edu>, <CFJGAM.BB5@freenet.carleton.ca>e
Reply-To : aj467@Freenet.carleton.ca (Bill Macpherson)
Subject : Re: BAUD VS BAUDS
In a previous article, rohvm1.mah48d@rohmhaas.com (John E. Taylor III) says:
>> I believe the term to be baud as in "baud rate"
>
>Bill, do you refer to the Hertz rate of your transmitter, or the knot rate
>of your sailboat? Baud is a rate unit itself.
>
Well I do say my radio Hertz when the smoke leaks out.
As to "knot rate" that could be used, for though it is cumbersome, knots
derived from the number of knots turned in a rope teathered to a floating
plank ... so many knots ... so many nautical miles ( knots ) so I think a
knot rate is valid. Or am I off in space again.
>Sorry, I'm sure you'll get all kinds of similar responses, but I had to
>speak in defense of the language :-)
>
> 73 de John, W3ZID
>
No problem John, at age 43 I'm used to the taste of my foot by now.
Look forward to more briqbats and bouquets.
--
Bill VE3NJW, VE3NJW@VE3KYT.#EON.ON.CAN
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