Date: Mon, 13 Dec 93 04:30:39 PST From: Ham-Digital Mailing List and Newsgroup Errors-To: Ham-Digital-Errors@UCSD.Edu Reply-To: Ham-Digital@UCSD.Edu Precedence: Bulk Subject: Ham-Digital Digest V93 #145 To: Ham-Digital Ham-Digital Digest Mon, 13 Dec 93 Volume 93 : Issue 145 Today's Topics: amatuer radio COMPLETE Documented NOS Wanted C SOURCE FOR PBBS?? F6FBB Mailing List MSYS 1.16 Release WANTED SCHEMATIC TUBE AM RADIO 1955 - 1957 When will we get digital cellular? Send Replies or notes for publication to: Send subscription requests to: Problems you can't solve otherwise to brian@ucsd.edu. Archives of past issues of the Ham-Digital Digest are available (by FTP only) from UCSD.Edu in directory "mailarchives/ham-digital". We trust that readers are intelligent enough to realize that all text herein consists of personal comments and does not represent the official policies or positions of any party. Your mileage may vary. So there. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 09 Dec 93 15:16:24 GMT From: netcomsv!netcomsv!bongo!skyld!jangus@decwrl.dec.com Subject: amatuer radio To: ham-digital@ucsd.edu In article <1993Dec7.160318.8345@ccsvax.sfasu.edu> z_addicksda@ccsvax.sfasu.edu writes: > > I would just like to say that I think amatuer radio is the greatest > thing in the world. It is > Personally, I would prefer amateur radio. An .edu site, guess the entrance exams went down again. Amateur: WA6FWI@WA6FWI.#SOCA.CA.USA.NA | "It is difficult to imagine our Internet: jangus@skyld.tele.com | universe run by a single omni- US Mail: PO Box 4425 Carson, CA 90749 | potent god. I see it more as a Phone: 1 (310) 324-6080 | badly run corporation." ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1993 16:57:36 +0000 From: mvb.saic.com!unogate!news.service.uci.edu!usc!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!uknet!demon!g3nrw.demon.co.uk!ian@network.ucsd.edu Subject: COMPLETE Documented NOS Wanted To: ham-digital@ucsd.edu In article <2e7jq7$87o@tamsun.tamu.edu> msw1633@tamsun.tamu.edu writes: >In article <9DEC199306480878@nssdca.gsfc.nasa.gov>, >ERICH FRANZ STOCKER wrote: >> >>I have enjoyed the work and am still enjoying it. I don't think anything else >>available comes close to providing the information needed to optimize the >>NOS environment. I'm getting close to the point where I feel that I can >>really do that. >> >>Erich Stocker >>N3OXM > >Er.. so where do we get this tome? I sure could use an introduction to >NOS. Is it available by ftp or is it only available through the ARRL? > >Thanks > >Mark > Was it something I said? Since the original post in this thread I've been snowed under with requests for more information on the book "NOSintro". To save repeating the details "n" times to individuals, I thought I'd save network bandwidth by posting once to this thread. So here goes: * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * ---------- * * "NOSintro" * * ---------- * * * * An Introduction to the * * KA9Q * * Network Operating System * * * * by Ian Wade, G3NRW * * * * * * A "DOWERMAIN" PUBLICATION * * * * ISBN 1-897649-00-2 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * 356 pages, fully illustrated. "NOSintro" is the definitive guide to the KA9Q Network Operating System (NOS). In "NOSintro" you'll find a wealth of practical information, hints and tips for setting up and using the KA9Q NOS. Ideal for beginners and more advanced users alike. ----------------------------------------------------------------- The emphasis is on hands-on practicalities. You'll see exactly: ** how to install NOS on a PC. ** how to set up the control files. ** how to check out basic operations before going live. ** how to use NOS commands for transferring files, logging in to remote systems, sending mail and so on. ----------------------------------------------------------------- ============= What's Inside ============= 1 Intro to "NOSintro" 2 "NOSview" 3 The Ground Rules 4 NOS in a Nutshell 5 Let's Meet the Locals 6 The TNC Revisited 7 A Peek at Protocols 8 Names, Domains and Addresses 9 Client/Server 10 Hands On - Hardware Checkout 11 Hands On - Software Installation 12 NOS File Compendium 13 Hands On - Session Manager 14 The NOS Command Set 15 Hands On - autoexec.nos 16 The ftpusers File 17 Hands On - FTP 18 NOS BBS - The Big Picture 19 Setting up the NOS BBS 20 The NOS BBS Command Set 21 Hands On - BBS File Server 22 Hands On - Remote Sysop 23 Forwarding SMTP Mail 24 Pop Mail Collection 25 PBBS Mail Forwarding 26 AX.25 Routing 27 Address Resolution Protocol 28 IP Routing 29 NET/ROM Routing 30 Going Live: Preparing the Files 31 Hands On - AX.25 32 Hands On - NET/ROM 33 Hands On - Ping and Hop 34 Hands On - DNS System 35 Trailing Flag ========== Appendices ========== 1 Where to get the Software 2 NOS Command Set Reference 3 NOS Control Files 4 Character Codes 5 IP Address Coordinators 6 References ** 356 pages, copiously illustrated with over 80 detailed diagrams, plus countless examples of commands and screen displays. ** Extensive and detailed appendices. ** Full listings of all the control files needed for NOS. ** Although specifically written for a DOS environment, most of the text is equally applicable to OS/2, Windows/NT, Amiga, Atari, MAC, UNIX, VMS and Archimedes implementations of NOS. _________________________________________________________________ ========================================= What they've been saying about "NOSintro" ========================================= I just received my copy of your book last night and I think it's GREAT!! It helped me fix a few problems with my JNOS setup after only glancing thru it for a few minutes. From now on I shall call your NOSintro ..."THE NOS-Bible"!!!!! -- Bob Merritt, KA4BYP Helluva book and nifty software package! A lotta guys at HQ are into it, and W1AW is running your NOSview! The station manager, Jeff Bauer, WA1MBK, asked me to help him tweek it up and it's running pretty much around the clock -- Brian Battles, WS1O, QST Features Editor, ARRL. Your book is well designed and I will recommend it to radio amateurs in the Netherlands in my column "Radio and Computer" in Electron -- Kees Olievier, PE1AIO. I am VERY impressed. Thanks for your many hours of effort. You have made NOS a lot more understandable and usable -- and I've been running NOS here for more than 3 years! -- Alan D Scott, N9BAC, Department of Anatomy, Indiana University School of Medicine. I must congratulate you on an excellent book. I found the book struck just the right balance between theory and practice -- Fred Dawson, G1HCM. The "NOSintro" book is an excellent piece of technical writing that should become the standard reference work on TCP/IP over packet radio -- Terry Thirlwell, G8AHS. It's 350+ pages, and appears to be quite thorough. The few chapters I've had time to browse are rather readable, with good illustrations and plenty of examples. This might be the book that finally gets packet people off their NET/ROM duffs and into real ham radio networking! -- Brian Kantor, WB6CYT, University of California. Thank you for your copy of "NOSintro" which I received safely last Friday. As it happened, I had a bad night and ended up by reading it in the small hours and can accordingly give you a free testimonial as to its efficacy in putting one to sleep at 0500! - Smudge Lundegard, G3GJW, RSGB Council and former BARTG President I am professionally involved in communications and networking, and it is one of the most lucid books on the subject I have seen -- John Lee, York. I have just obtained a copy of your book and am very impressed with it. It must have been a major undertaking to pack so much detailed information into such a concise but very readable format. I think your diagrams are immensely helpful in this respect -- David, GM4XNQ This gives the best and the most comprehensive hands-on introduction to the KA9Q Network Operating System that I've come across. Diagrams, screen displays and so on make reading of what is, essentially, a "heavy" subject quite light going, even for me! I would recommend the book to both old hands on TCP/IP as well as advanced beginners who'd like to go one further than what is often regarded as the "common" type of packet radio -- Chris Lorek, G4HCL, Ham Radio Today. ==================== How to get "NOSintro" ==================== All prices are in GB pounds sterling, and include packing and postage. Mail to UK addresses: 12.85 GB pounds Airmail to rest of Europe: 14.42 GB pounds Airmail to Americas, Africa: 16.73 GB pounds Airmail to rest of the world: 17.34 GB pounds Payment either: 1. By cheque, in GB pounds sterling, DRAWN ON A UK BANK ONLY. Cheque to be made payable to "DOWERMAIN LTD" and crossed "A/C PAYEE ONLY". No other banks or currencies please; it's too expensive to convert to sterling. or 2. By credit card. You will be charged the appropriate price listed above in GB pounds sterling. Your credit card company will add a nominal currency conversion charge if applicable. To obtain your copy, please print out and fill in the order form below: --------------------------- cut here ---------------------------- "NOSintro" ORDER FORM Name: .......................................... Address: .......................................... .......................................... .......................................... .......................................... Please send me a copy of "NOSintro" and bill my credit card: 12.85 / 14.42 / 16.73 / 17.34 GB pounds (delete where not applicable) Credit Card No (VISA/Mastercard/Eurocard): ..................... Expiry Date: ........................... Signature: ........................... --------------------------- cut here ---------------------------- then mail to: DOWERMAIN LTD 7 Daubeney Close Harlington DUNSTABLE Bedfordshire LU5 6NF United Kingdom (Please note: your order must be in written/printed form. We cannot accept orders by phone or fax or electronic mail). "NOSintro" is also available in the United States from ARRL, 225 Main Street, Newington, CT 06111-1494. Tel: (203)-666 1541 Fax: (203)-665 7531 Please contact them direct for pricing. P.S. The book "NOSintro" makes several references to the "NOSview" software package. This package contains a full working set of KA9Q NOS software, complete with all the control files listed in the book. The "NOSview" software is available free of charge. If you would like a copy, enclose a DOS-formatted diskette (any size EXCEPT 360KB) with your order for the book. N.B. I can only supply the software in DOS format. 73 Ian Wade G3NRW -- +---------------------------------+----------------------------------------+ | Ian Wade | e-mail: ian @ g3nrw.demon.co.uk | | 7 Daubeney Close, Harlington, | AMPRnet: g3nrw.ampr.org [44.131.5.147] | | Dunstable, Beds, LU5 6NF, UK. | AX.25: G3NRW @ GB7BIL.#27.GBR.EU | +---------------------------------+----------------------------------------+ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1993 19:31:24 +0000 From: mvb.saic.com!unogate!news.service.uci.edu!usc!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!uknet!demon!imcldn.demon.co.uk!mike@network.ucsd.edu Subject: C SOURCE FOR PBBS?? To: ham-digital@ucsd.edu In article <931209.73944.TGOODIN@delphi.com> TGOODIN@delphi.com writes: > I am looking for C Sources for any kind of PBBS for Packet that I might > be able to compile for use in my unix (ATT 3B2) machine. > Tim The only one I can think of offhand was an early version of CBBS - If anyone else knows of something, please let me know, I would be interested too... -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Michael P Simkins | Programming in COBOL, C, and PASCAL undertaken, Please G7OBS Software | E-Mail 'software@imcldn.demon.co.uk' to discuss your needs ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- X400 : /RFC-822=mike(a)imcldn.demon.co.uk/O=mhs-relay/PRMD=uk.ac/ADMD= /C=GB/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Amateur : AX25 : G7OBS@GB7DAA.#33.GBR.EU -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Dec 1993 04:50:27 GMT From: pipex!sunic!news.funet.fi!ousrvr.oulu.fi!oulu.fi!luru@uunet.uu.net Subject: F6FBB Mailing List To: ham-digital@ucsd.edu In article david@stat.com (David Dodell) writes: > Welcome! > You have joined the f6fbb-list@stat.com Has F6FBB himself access to the list? Luru ------------------------------ Date: 13 Dec 93 03:16:28 GMT From: ogicse!uwm.edu!cs.utexas.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!usenet.ins.cwru.edu!news.csuohio.edu!sww@network.ucsd.edu Subject: MSYS 1.16 Release To: ham-digital@ucsd.edu SB SYSOP @ ALLUS < WA8BXN $16603_WA8BXN MSYS 1.16 now available R:931212/1722 16603@WA8BXN.#NEOH.OH.USA.NA Hello All - The disks went in the mail on Friday for those to whom I owed disks. IMPORTANT NOTE: The RLI compatible compressed forwarding is still in alpha test state. It has bugs. DO NOT USE IT LIVE! I do need a station who forwards on vhf to a real RLI system to help with the tests (preferably one with complete internet access [mail and ftp]). New in this release: Improved user interface Pactor support Forwarding to FBB systems via modem Dumb terminal command for ports User passwords works Ability to put bid on R: line There are three disks which contain these files: MSYS116.EXE required executables and data support files MOPT116.EXE documentation files MSYSB116.EXE bbs only version of MSYS, contributed files, source for scan tsrs These files are available free on Cleveland Hamnet (216-942-6382 300-14400 baud) Also on internet anonymous ftp at coffman.csuohio.edu 137.148.21.6 They are also available from me at $5 per disk (covers disk, mailer and postage) to US addresses, $10 per disk to foreign addresses via airmail. Or for current release only, send formatted disk(s) and sase mailer. Happy holidays to all! 73 - Mike WA8BXN @ WA8BXN.OH.USA or via internet map @ cis.csuohio.edu /EX ------------------------------ Date: 10 Dec 1993 23:24:53 GMT From: ucsnews!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!gatech!concert!corpgate!news.utdallas.edu!rdxsunhost.aud.alcatel.com!usenet@network.ucsd.edu Subject: WANTED SCHEMATIC TUBE AM RADIO 1955 - 1957 To: ham-digital@ucsd.edu In need of schematic for and old 1955 - 1957 Motorola AM radio. Radio is from a old car that is being restored. Motorola says its too old and they have no info. Sams has nothing either. Anyone who can supply schematic, or information at to a possible source can call Cliff Staley 214-996-6403 or send email Thanks Cliff Staley ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1993 20:18:44 GMT From: mvb.saic.com!unogate!news.service.uci.edu!usc!sdd.hp.com!col.hp.com!srgenprp!alanb@network.ucsd.edu Subject: When will we get digital cellular? To: ham-digital@ucsd.edu kevin.jessup (kevin.jessup@mixcom.mixcom.com) wrote: : ... I am considering the purchase of a cellular phone. : I know that the current system is FDMA (frequency division multiple : access) or "analog" cellular and is easily monitored. When will : digital cellular become the norm? I've heard that 1994 is the : introductory time frame for initial tests. : As I understand it, the digital system will use CDMA (code divison : multiple access) and ALL the channels in a single "cell" will be : "spread" (as in spread-spectrum) over a range of 1.228 MHz. This : is certainly NOT equivalent to the existing analog hardware that : uses narrow-band FM transmission "channels" every 30 kHz. Digital is certainly coming. It's already being tested in some areas. FDMA, Frequency-Division Multiple Access, means channelized operation, one user at a time per channel. That's the way the current analog cellular system works. (Also nearly all amateur operation.) CDMA, Code-Division, Multiple Access, is a proposed new digital system invented by a company called Qual-Com. It's a type of spread-spectrum transmission where each user's signal covers the entire band. Each transmitter is coded with a unique digital sequence which allows the receiver to filter out all the unwanted signals with different sequences. You theoretically don't get any more users per kHz than with FDMA, but digital compression, power-control, and other techniques actually allow many more users to be squeezed into the same spectrum. While CDMA is making good progress, the "official" standard system for digital cellular is a type of TDMA, Time-Division Multiple Access. With TDMA, many users share the same channel, apparently at the same time. What's actually happening is that the digital signal is speeded up, so that the bits can be sent much faster than real-time. This leaves unused transmit time that other users can use. Actually, the system in use is really TDMA/FDMA, since there are still several channels in use, albeit with several users per channel. AL N1AL ------------------------------ Date: 9 Dec 1993 10:29:59 -0600 From: pravda.sdsc.edu!usc!howland.reston.ans.net!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!avdms8.msfc.nasa.gov!bcm!TAMUTS.TAMU.EDU!not-for-mail@network.ucsd.edu To: ham-digital@ucsd.edu References <1993Dec8.183212.14971@alw.nih.gov>, <755387317snz@g3nrw.demon.co.uk>, <9DEC199306480878@nssdca.gsfc.nasa.gov>AM Subject : Re: COMPLETE Documented NOS Wanted In article <9DEC199306480878@nssdca.gsfc.nasa.gov>, ERICH FRANZ STOCKER wrote: > >I have enjoyed the work and am still enjoying it. I don't think anything else >available comes close to providing the information needed to optimize the >NOS environment. I'm getting close to the point where I feel that I can >really do that. > >Erich Stocker >N3OXM Er.. so where do we get this tome? I sure could use an introduction to NOS. Is it available by ftp or is it only available through the ARRL? Thanks Mark -- Mark S. Whitsitt, N5RJF Texas A&M University, Dept of Biochemistry Internet: mwhitsitt@tamu.edu College Station, Tx. 77843-2128 AMPRnet: n5rjf@n5rjf.ampr.org (409) 845-0832 ------------------------------ End of Ham-Digital Digest V93 #145 ****************************** ******************************