Date: Wed, 3 Nov 93 04:30:20 PST From: Ham-Digital Mailing List and Newsgroup Errors-To: Ham-Digital-Errors@UCSD.Edu Reply-To: Ham-Digital@UCSD.Edu Precedence: Bulk Subject: Ham-Digital Digest V93 #98 To: Ham-Digital Ham-Digital Digest Wed, 3 Nov 93 Volume 93 : Issue 98 Today's Topics: info on cellular mods - illegal? YES! Question about Apple Computer and packet Send Replies or notes for publication to: Send subscription requests to: Problems you can't solve otherwise to brian@ucsd.edu. Archives of past issues of the Ham-Digital Digest are available (by FTP only) from UCSD.Edu in directory "mailarchives/ham-digital". We trust that readers are intelligent enough to realize that all text herein consists of personal comments and does not represent the official policies or positions of any party. Your mileage may vary. So there. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 01 Nov 93 23:36:50 CST From: swrinde!menudo.uh.edu!jpunix!unkaphaed!amanda!robert@network.ucsd.edu Subject: info on cellular mods - illegal? YES! To: ham-digital@ucsd.edu Rick Aldom writes: > In article Robert, > robert@amanda.jpunix.com writes: > > > > --Robert > > > >________________________________________________________________________ > >| Anyone who cannot cope with Morse code is not fully human. At best | > >| he is a tolerable subhuman who has learned to wear shoes, bathe, and | > >| not make messes in the house. | > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Robert, > Your tag line must be funny to you, but it goes to show your level of > incompetence. Grow up and GET A LIFE. I have a life, and a license. Surprise, surprise. --Robert ________________________________________________________________________ | Anyone who cannot cope with Morse code is not fully human. At best | | he is a tolerable subhuman who has learned to wear shoes, bathe, and | | not make messes in the house. | ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: 1 Nov 1993 21:56:27 -0800 From: olivea!apple.com!apple.com!not-for-mail@ames.arpa Subject: Question about Apple Computer and packet To: ham-digital@ucsd.edu In article <1993Oct27.123512.3076@lub001.lamar.edu>, wrote: >I have a question which I hope someone might help me to answer. Can an >Apple IIC computer be used for packet operations? I don't recall hearing or >seeing any information about its use in packet communications. If so, what >type of TNC and software might one use to get it setup for operation? Sure, just like any personal computer, all it needs is a TNC, a cable to connect the TNC to the computer, and a communications program. There's at least one Apple II comm program written specifically for packet (see below), but any terminal program will work. 73, Patty >>The products mentioned here are not endorsed by Apple Computer, Inc.<< APR (Apple Packet Radio) For use with TNC-2s. Send a formatted 5-1/4 or 3-1/2 inch disk and a stamped, self-addressed disk mailer to Larry East, W1HUE, PO Box 51445, Idaho Falls, ID 83405. -- ============================== Patty Winter ============================== Apple contractor Internet: winter@apple.com Sunnyvale, California AMPRNet: 44.4.4.50 "What about truth? What about reality?" "What about the way the old ending tested in Canoga Park?" ================================== N6BIS ================================= ------------------------------ Date: 1 Nov 1993 19:09:41 GMT From: dog.ee.lbl.gov!agate!howland.reston.ans.net!usc!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!dptspd!TAMUTS.TAMU.EDU!cs.tamu.edu!willis@network.ucsd.edu To: ham-digital@ucsd.edu References , , mu.edu Subject : Re: info on cellular mods - illegal? YES! In article , mark@ve6mgs.ampr.ab.ca (Mark Gregory Salyzyn) writes: > adler@netcom.com (Bruce Adler) writes: > >I think you've mis-read the ECPA. Me, too. > > I hope I have (I will include section 2512 extraced from the act for you to > be the judge, but you REALY need to read the entire act to get some context > for the sub-section) Done. > > >It says absolutely nothing about making it illegal to TELL Correct (IMNSHO). All the references refer to *devices* or advertisements for *devices*, not documents. > > I also don't think it makes it illegal for you to > >build such as device as long as you never use it and don't attempt to sell > >it. True *only* if none of the components have been "transported in interstate or foreign commerce", which means effectively banning self manufacture. (Seems Constitutionally questionable, but hey, so are a lot of things) > Electronic communications is Cellular, publication includes `packet'). You > will note that is it illegal to TELL ... WHERE does it say that? > > (a) sends through the mail, or sends or carries in interstate or > >foreign commerce, any electronic, mechanical, or other device ... ^^^^^^ > > (b) manufactures, assembles, possesses, or sells any electronic, > >mechanical, or other device, ... ^^^^^^ > >and that such device or any component thereof has been or will be sent ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > >through the mail or transported in interstate or foreign commerce; or > > (c) places in any newspaper, magazine, handbill, or other publication > >any advertisement of-- > > (i) any electronic, mechanical, or other device ... > > > > (ii) any other electronic, mechanical, or other device, ... [which is advertised to intercept cellular] No doubt this law is intending to be far reaching (instead of just fixing the alleged problem by encryption), but nothing I've read says you can't provide information or advertise information, as long as you don't advertise the devices themselves. I will admit the homebrew thing escaped me until I read the bit about "any component thereof has been or will be sent" thru interstate commerce. ------------------------------ End of Ham-Digital Digest V93 #98 ****************************** ******************************