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INFO-CPM Digest Tue, 1 Oct 91 Volume 91 : Issue 170
Today's Topics:
Future of SIMTEL-20
Re: FAQ for this group and an FTP archive site list?
Re: Future of SIMTEL-20
yet another relic
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Date: Sat, 28 Sep 91 23:28:42 IST
From: "Jacques J. Goldberg" <PHR00JG%TECHNION@TAUNIVM.TAU.AC.IL>
Subject: Future of SIMTEL-20
It seems that the following should be repeated so that people begin to
understand.
1-It is not the existence of SIMTEL-20 that's in danger, but the job for Keith
to maintain it. Mirrors are not relevant here. What use would your library be
without a dedicated, gifted, person keeping it ALIVE? What use is there for
a mirror copy of a dead, not updated, undocumented library?
2-Even if CP/M has ceased to be considered useful by some people, that's NOT
the issue, again. SIMTEL-20 and Keith also give life to the flourishing MS-DOS
systems, and the same funding agencies certainly don't consider THAT dead.
3-Contrarily to what some people might believe, there is NOTHING such as money
to convince funding agencies of having made a wrong decision. I am willing to
bet that for prestige considerations only, the agency behind this decision
will not be able to swallow a flow of small cheques from individuals all over
the world. When I suggested to pay 50$/year for 10 years, I meant business,
and I mean it today. However, precisely because they deal with money, our
funding agencies know that they MUST recognize a need as soon as lots of people
are willing to pay for it from their own pocket.
So why wouldn't we stop arguing and just start sending cheques. PLEASE
ADVERTISE AN ADDRESS.
Jacques
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Date: 25 Sep 91 22:59:13 GMT
From: bobsbox!gnat!cmcewen@rutgers.edu (Chris McEwen)
Subject: Re: FAQ for this group and an FTP archive site list?
Message-ID: <e2qu91w164w@gnat.rent.com>
curts@usenet.umr.edu (Curt Schroeder) writes:
> Also, does anyone know where I can find the annotated source code for the
> cpm56.com file? I really need access to this info so I can figure out how to
> make patches for my Rana Elite II drive on CP/M versions other than CP/M 2.2.
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
> Curt
Actually, Curt, what you see as CPM56.COM is just standard notation for a
56K sysgen image of your system. Had it been sysgened for 58K and then
saved as a disk file (instead of placed on the system tracks), it would
be usual to name the file CPM58.COM. The point is that as a sysgen file,
there is no source for it.
What you need is the source of the BIOS for your Apple II (or is it
Apple //e?). What kind of CP/M card have you got in the machine?
_______________________________________________________________________
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Date: 1 Oct 91 15:31:22 GMT
From: swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!sdd.hp.com!uakari.primate.wisc.edu!umriscc!curts@gatech.edu (Curt Schroeder)
Subject: Re: Future of SIMTEL-20
Message-ID: <3223@umriscc.isc.umr.edu>
In article <9110010725.AA29207@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU> PHR00JG%TECHNION@TAUNIVM.TAU.AC.IL ("Jacques J. Goldberg") writes:
>So why wouldn't we stop arguing and just start sending cheques. PLEASE
>ADVERTISE AN ADDRESS.
> Jacques
Please also post their FTP address so that those of us that are new can check
out this mother lode of CP/M material! For that matter, someone please post
all of the CP/M FTP sites that are known to the net. The only one I know about
is wuarchive.wustl.edu.
Curt
Curt Schroeder | U of Missouri - Rolla | curts@ee.umr.edu |
---------------------------------------| curts@cs.umr.edu |
"Oops? What do you mean, oops? I | s076895@umrvma.bitnet |
distinctly heard an oops!" - Opus | -- Apple II Forever -- |
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Date: 1 Oct 91 21:47:47 GMT
From: hoptoad!curt@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (Curt Mayer)
Subject: yet another relic
Message-ID: <21173@hoptoad.uucp>
I did it again. Last weekend, at a garage sale, i bought a morrow md-3 for
20 bucks, and they threw in an md-2 for nothing. I had a md-3 boot disk
in my wonder basement, and the md-3 is solid.
I need some information on the md-3:
1) has anybody ever hacked hardware on this beast? added ramdisk?
hard disk? 96 tpi drives? 3.5 inch drives? bitmapped graphics?
vector floating point?
2) does any software exist that allows reading multiple formats like
kaypro, televideo, 96tpi compupro?
3) anybody ever seen schematics?
finally, anybody want a free md-2? or a northstar advantage?
come pick them up in san francisco, or pay for shipping.
curt mayer (415) 387-0217 home (415) 506-2504 work
--
curt mayer
cmayer@oracle.com
curt@hoptoad.UUCP
415-387-0217 home
415-506-2504 work
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INFO-CPM Digest Fri, 4 Oct 91 Volume 91 : Issue 171
Today's Topics:
Amstrad CPC: Hard drive, Ram drive, etc
general
Graphics standard for small systems?
osborne-1
UUCP/Usenet-Access to SIMTEL-20 ?
Wanted Osborne BIOS listing
Xerox 820-II
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Date: 3 Oct 91 02:24:31 GMT
From: agate!bionet!uwm.edu!cs.utexas.edu!wupost!waikato.ac.nz!comp.vuw.ac.nz!actrix!cpc!ewen@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (Ewen McNeill)
Subject: Amstrad CPC: Hard drive, Ram drive, etc
Message-ID: <XX00000043@cpc.actrix.gen.nz>
Hi, Netlanders!
Lots of good news for owners of Amstrad CPCs. The first piece of good
news is that I have (finally) got my hard drive working. Only one 10
Meg partition at the moment, but I'm working on it. Currently the
allocation buffer is in main memory (TPA), so I am reluctant to expand
it out for 20 Meg. The software for the hard drive is an RSX (CP/M Plus
style), and seems to work fine (been working for about a week now). If
anyone wants a copy, mail me, and I will arrange somthing. For those
that missed what I have done, the main piece of circuitry (and most
expensive) is a hard drive controller board, which has a SCSI interface.
I built a simple SCSI controller for the Amstrad that talks to this.
Current throughput is about 30K/s - not that wonderful, but then I
really should improve the SCSI controller (put a DMA chip on it). As a
side note, does anyone else using a hard drive on their CP/M computer
know the sort of throughput they get?
A piece of news from a little while ago. Someone down here (Bevan Arps)
has written a replacement routine to control the RAM disk (Dk'tronics
style), which seems to be much more bug free than the original
dk'tronics ones. He has also written some other clever software that
works in with CP/M Plus, to add additional disk formats (including some
400K and 800K formats, for people with 3.5" or 5.25" drives). It also
adds the PCW 40 track format (useful for moving stuff around). And he
has written a program that speeds up text output quite a lot. If people
are interested in these (mail me), I will arrange some way of getting
them to you. I don't particularly want to email copies out to everyone
(email is charged by volume from here), but perhaps someone else can
offer to distribute them?
The last piece of news, for the moment, is that I am working on a few
ideas for the Amstrad hardware. The first is adding a DMA chip (mostly
for the hard drive above). Other ideas include getting the Amstrad
running in IM2 (vectored interupts), and daisy chaining the interupts
(like Zilog suggest). One other idea is to get four disk drives going
on the Amstrad - not quite so important to me with a hard drive; but I
do have another drive (800K) that I want to use. These ideas are all in
the "thinking about them" stage, but results may come soon.
Anyone else out there still working with Amstrad CPCs please feel free
to contact me. I am (as seen above) interested in ideas for
modifying/adding to the Amstrad hardware, and also interested in
programming (mostly machine code and some C).
--
Ewen McNeill, ewen@cpc.actrix.gen.nz (or ewen@actrix.gen.nz)
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Date: 3 Oct 91 23:21:30 GMT
From: agate!spool.mu.edu!mips!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu!ephillip%magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (Earl W Phillips)
Subject: general
Message-ID: <CMM.0.90.2.686532090.ephillip@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>
Does anyone know if "Memorex 550" floppy drives are
compatible with Xerox 820-II's?
Also, does anyone have for sale, a Televideo 800A terminal
or two?
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Date: 4 Oct 91 11:09:05 GMT
From: snorkelwacker.mit.edu!hri.com!spool.mu.edu!munnari.oz.au!metro!ipso!dave@bloom-beacon.mit.edu (Dave Horsfall)
Subject: Graphics standard for small systems?
Message-ID: <1991Oct4.110905.4392@ips.oz.au>
Has anyone defined a suitable (portable?) graphics standard for small
machines? Things like Sun raster file, X, GIF etc are all very well,
but a little bit overboard for what I want. I'm sure that many CP/M
machines have graphics support, but I'll bet they all have their own
standard, possibly even depending on the graphics package they run at
the time. Is there a suitable portable format, amenable to conversion
between other formats?
For example, the system here is a Microbee (if you've never heard of
it, don't worry, if you have you'll know what I mean) that has a character
addressable screen (80 x 24/25), but you get to define the characters in
a cell of 9 x 11 (I think) dots, thus permitting arbitrary graphics, as
long as your character map doesn't overflow (128 user-defined cells).
For all I know, other systems are dot-addressable etc.
What I'm looking for is a format that handles most hardware oddities,
but can run under CP/M without requiring whopping large arrays etc.
I guess I'll define my own, but I prefer to use an existing one.
Something else that occurred to me while I was typing this was some sort
of a protocol - a heavily cut-down "X" perhaps - that could be put into
terminal emulators running remote graphics packages. E.g. you want to
display your favourite GIF file, stored on your works machine, on your
colour CP/M computer. You would therefore run a viewer that translates
the GIF format into this protocol, and your terminal emulator would then
start hammering away on the colour maps etc. Anyone done this?
[ Note for Microbee owners - TELCOM is all very well, but terribly limited
in its capabilities. What it really needs is a DECENT VT-100 emulator,
a better way of implementing "chat" scripts, a "macro" capability, and the
ability to run a program on the capture buffer, possibly leaving the
results there for subsequent transmission. An in-core editor would also
be nice. Am I asking too much? :-) I'll see what I can write. ]
[ Note for non-Microbee owners - before you leap up and say "Why don't you
run XYZ-TERM or something? It has all that and more besides!" consider
that the Microbee does NOT have a serial port - instead it bit-bangs
on a Z80 PIO with a software UART! I'm not even sure where it gets its
timing from, it could be software loops for all I know - I haven't seen
a BIOS listing yet - and I understand that the BIOS routines are slow
anyway, hence programs like TELCOM have their own. I have plans to
install the 8530 SCC chip - there is provision for it - one day. I have
a few programs I would love to run, but they expect either a dedicated
SIO chip with a port address, or an entry point that can send and fetch
characters with a minimum of fuss - like, all 8 bits at a time! :-)
There are also certain other oddities which I won't go into just now. ]
Sorry for the long-winded posting, but I prefer to anticipate any questions
that may be asked.
--
Dave Horsfall (VK2KFU) VK2KFU @ VK2RWI.NSW.AUS.OC
dave@ips.OZ.AU ...munnari!ips.OZ.AU!dave
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Date: 2 Oct 91 05:08:20 GMT
From: mentor.cc.purdue.edu!vulcan.mgmt.purdue.edu!franksr@purdue.edu (innocent bystander)
Subject: osborne-1
Message-ID: <1991Oct02.050820.5428@vulcan.mgmt.purdue.edu>
I just got my hot little hands on an Osborne-1. A professor of mine was able
to supply me with the original boot disk and utility disk, etc.. I have
also checked out a few books from the library on CP/M. Anyone care to direct
me to user groups, etc.? Also, has anyone had any experience in downloading
software from any of the Simtel mirrors, namely Washington U. in St. Louis?
I can quite easily download from there to a pc, so how about from the pc to
the Osborne?
Thanks alot-
--
<><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>
< Rich Franks franksr@vulcan.mgmt.purdue.edu >
< Krannert School of Management Computing Center, Purdue University >
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Date: 3 Oct 91 09:31:21 GMT
From: mcsun!unido!uniol!tpki!victor@uunet.uu.net (Cornelius Keck)
Subject: UUCP/Usenet-Access to SIMTEL-20 ?
Message-ID: <10951@tpki.toppoint.de>
Hello, world,
Is there a way to access Simtel-20-Sites via Usenet? Is there a
listserver running?
CU, CK.
--
Cornelius Keck victor@tpki.toppoint.de D-2300 Kiel 1,Germany
Cornelius Keck victor@tpki.toppoint.de 2300 Kiel 1
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Date: 2 Oct 91 14:26:28 GMT
From: cis.ohio-state.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!hobbes.physics.uiowa.edu!news.iastate.edu!IASTATE.EDU!danny@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (Danny A Staedtler)
Subject: Wanted Osborne BIOS listing
Message-ID: <1991Oct2.092628@IASTATE.EDU>
I am trying to find the BIOS listing for the Osborne Executive. Does
anyone out there have a copy of the Osborne Executive Technical Reference
Manual? Could I get you to send me a copy of the listing? I am willing
to pay costs for copying and mailing.
Dan S.
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Date: 2 Oct 91 11:50:16 GMT
From: coyote!bbs@noao.edu (harry kight)
Subject: Xerox 820-II
Message-ID: <aqu792w163w@coyote.datalog.com>
Through an equipment trade, I've just acquired a Xerox 820-II with DS/DD 8"
floppies. It came with CP/M 2.2 & some software, but no communications
program (Ugh!) Hope I can find one, locally...)
Anyway, after opening the beast, I discovered an expansion board which had
an Intel 8086 w/ram. Willi Messmer, in Findland, tells me that my machine
supports CP/M-86 and MSDOS 2.1. (No such software came with the machine,
though...)
Anybody know where I can get these two OS's, & can anyone give me a little
more info on this surprise expansion board? Thanks!
---Gramps
gramps@coyote.datalog.com harry.kight@emdisle.fidonet.org
noao!coyote!emdisle!harry_kight
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INFO-CPM Digest Sat, 5 Oct 91 Volume 91 : Issue 172
Today's Topics:
Altos 5-15ad (multiuser) $200
need schematic for Xerox 820 II main board
Re: general (Floppy Drives on the Xerox 820-II)
Re: Graphics standard for small systems?
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Date: 5 Oct 91 04:05:08 GMT
From: bobsbox!gnat!news@rutgers.edu (Andreas Meyer)
Subject: Altos 5-15ad (multiuser) $200
Message-ID: <gate.07sB01w164w@gnat.rent.com>
(updated 91Aug18)
Altos Series 5 microcomputer, Model 5-15ad
Ready to run! This machine supports 3 users!
Hardware:
Z80 CPU, 64k RAM
Dual 5.25" floppy drives (700k each)
4 serial ports (3 user, 1 printer)
1 parallel port (alt. printer)
User's manual
Software:
MP/M, CP/M, CCS Business BASIC
...and much, much more!
Compact! Only 7"H x 14"W x 16"D!
$200 OBO
This is not an S100 machine.
It does not have a hard drive (and it was designed that way).
If you act now, I will include an ADDS Viewpoint terminal FREE!
Email or phone: Andy 908-668-6202 weekdays
--
Andreas Meyer, N2FYE jacked into cyberspace from my home in Dunellen, NJ
Internet: ahm@gnat.rent.com uucp: {backbone}!att!nsscmail!gnat!ahm
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Date: 5 Oct 91 14:13:44 GMT
From: pa.dec.com!nntpd.lkg.dec.com!maxi.enet.dec.com!brown@decuac.dec.com (Raymond J. Brown)
Subject: need schematic for Xerox 820 II main board
Message-ID: <28569@nntpd.lkg.dec.com>
I have a Xerox 820 II that hangs on power up sometimes. You have to turn
it on and off several times before it will boot. I am looking for a
set of schematics for this so I can figure out which components are
used by the power up reset. If anyone has any information I would
appreciate a reply.
--------
Ray Brown rjbrown@giamem.enet.dec.com
or
rjbrown%giamem.enet@decwrl.dec.com
or
decwrl!giamem.enet!rjbrown
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Date: Fri, 4 Oct 1991 09:41:55 PDT
From: Sprague.Wbst311@xerox.com
Subject: Re: general (Floppy Drives on the Xerox 820-II)
Message-ID: <" 4-Oct-91 12:41:55 EDT".*.Michael_D._Sprague.wbst311@Xerox.com>
> Does anyone know if "Memorex 550" floppy drives are
> compatible with Xerox 820-II's?
I know nothing about the Memorex 550 floppy drives, but .....
The Xerox 820-II uses "standard" 5.25" low density (360K on the PC) floppy
drives. Just make sure the jumper is set to drive the Motor On signal with the
Drive Select. (Most low density drives have this jumper, though few High
Density drives do).
Note that the 820-II's with 5.25" drives all came with Shugart 400 (Single
sided) or 450 (double sided) full height floppy drives, which were powered by
the CPU's power supply. If you were to replace them with newer half height
drives, they would consume less power, and using the CONFIGUR utility, you can
set the Step Rate to 6 mS, vs. the SA400's 30 mS and SA450's 20 mS Step Rates.
While it's still slow using floppies, you will see a noticable speed up in disk
access time.
Hmmm, also note that the boot disks on the Xerox 820-II assume a 30 mS Step
Rate as default. If you have the SA450 drives, you should change it to 20 mS
on your "working" system disk (don't touch the originals). The drives will
make less noise, and will be a little faster.
As far as 8" drives go, they need to be compatible with the Shugart 800 series,
and many are.
~ Mike (Sprague.Wbst311@Xerox.Com)
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Date: 4 Oct 91 17:03:46 GMT
From: orca.cs.wisc.edu!bolo@speedy.wisc.edu (Joe Burger)
Subject: Re: Graphics standard for small systems?
Message-ID: <1991Oct4.170346.28501@spool.cs.wisc.edu>
In article <1991Oct4.110905.4392@ips.oz.au> dave@ips.oz.au (Dave Horsfall) writes:
>Has anyone defined a suitable (portable?) graphics standard for small
>machines? ....
>What I'm looking for is a format that handles most hardware oddities,
>but can run under CP/M without requiring whopping large arrays etc.
>I guess I'll define my own, but I prefer to use an existing one.
>
>Something else that occurred to me while I was typing this was some sort
>of a protocol - a heavily cut-down "X" perhaps - that could be put into
>terminal emulators running remote graphics packages. E.g. you want to
>
I don't know of an existing implementation, but ....
I have been considering such a problem. My answer/intentions
would be to use RMS's/MIT's SUPDUP protocol. It has provisions for both
text and graphics, and is reasonably extendable.
Relevant RFCS are:
749 Telnet SUPDUP-Output option
747 Recent extensions to the SUPDUP protocol
746 SUPDUP graphics extension
736 Telnet SUPDUP option
734 SUPDUP Protocol
The intro from the original RFC is appended to this note.
Another choice might be a version of Bellcore's MGR window system, although
that might require too much space.
Joe Burger
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NWG/RFC# 734 MRC 07-OCT-77 08:46 41953
SUPDUP Display Protocol Page 1
INTRODUCTION
This document describes the SUPDUP protocol, a highly efficient display
telnet protocol. It originally started as a private protocol between the
ITS systems at MIT to allow a user at any one of these systems to use one
of the others as a display. At the current writing, SUPDUP user programs
also exist for Data Disc and Datamedia displays at SU-AI and for
Datamedias at SRI-KL. The author is not aware of any SUPDUP servers other
than at the four MIT ITS sites.
The advantage of the SUPDUP protocol over an individual terminal's
protocol is that SUPDUP defines a "virtual" or "software" display terminal
that implements relevant cursor motion operations. The protocol is not
built on any particular display terminal but rather on the set of
functions common to all display terminals; hence it is completely device-
independent. In addition, the protocol also provides for terminals which
cannot handle certain operations, such as line or character insert/delete.
In fact, it is more than this. It provides for terminals which are
missing any set of features, all the way down to model 33 Teletypes.
The advantage over the TELNET protocol is that SUPDUP takes advantage of
the full capabilities of display terminals, although it also has the
ability to run printing terminals.
It is to be noted that SUPDUP operates independently from TELNET; it is
not an option to the TELNET protocol. In addition, certain assumptions
are made about the server and the user programs and their capabilities.
Specifically, it is assumed that the operating system on a server host
provides all the display-oriented features of ITS. However, a server may
elect not to do certain display operations available in SUPDUP; the SUPDUP
protocol is far-reaching enough so that the protocol allows terminals to
be handled as well as that host can handle terminals in general. Of
course, if a host does not support display terminals in any special way,
there is no point in bothering to implement a SUPDUP server since TELNET
will work just as well.
--
Joe Burger University of Wisconsin-Madison Computer Systems Lab
arpa: bolo@cs.wisc.edu uucp: {backbone}!uwvax!bolo
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INFO-CPM Digest Mon, 7 Oct 91 Volume 91 : Issue 173
Today's Topics:
CP/M System Disks available
HZ89 Hardware
where computers goe to die
Z80MU Professional
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Date: 7 Oct 91 06:25:03 GMT
From: baron!baron!pnet07!donm@nosc.mil (Don Maslin)
Subject: CP/M System Disks available
Message-ID: <1991Oct7.062503.5266@baron.uucp>
AVAILABLE CP/M SYSTEM DISKS AS OF 7 OCT 1991
8 IN
Name Format Description
CCS-CPM SSSD California Computer Systems 2810/2422@ 9600 baud
CDOS236 SSDD CDOS v2.36
CDOS256 DSDD CDOS v2.56 (?)
DLTADCPM SSSD Delta D CP/M v2.0
FLGCPM22 SSDD FFlag Computer CP/M 2.2 v1.31 system disk
FLGCTRL2 SSDD FFlag Computer CP/M 2.2 control disk
JADE-DD SSDD Jade Double D CP/M
LIFEBOAT SSDD More Lifeboat CP/M for TRS-80 Model II
PSY48K14 SSSD Psytech 48K CP/M v1.4
PSY48K20 SSSD Psytech 48K CP/M v2.0 & BIOS source
TARBLCPM SSSD Tarbell FDC CP/M
TRS2-P&T SSDD Pickles & Trout CP/M v2.2m for TRS Mod II w/RSHD
TRSIILBT SSDD Lifeboat CP/M for TRS-80 Model II
UNK64K22 SSSD Unknown 64K CP/M v2.2 w/Basic games
WMBCPM3A SSDD WaveMate Bullet CP/M 3.0 system disk
WMBCPM3B SSDD WaveMate Bullet CP/M 3.0 source files
ZOBX-SDD SSDD Zobex CP/M
ALSPA
Name Format Description
61KCPM3B SSDD ACIDOS (CP/M) system disk
ALTOS
Name Format Description
A5-5CPM2 DSDD CP/M 2.2 for Altos 5-5, 5-15
A5-5MPM2 DSDD MP/M 2 for Altos 5-5, 5-15
A8-2CPM1 SSSD CP/M 1.4 system disk for Altos 8000-2
A8-2CPM2 SSSD CP/M 2.21 for Altos 8000-2 (also UCSDP read prog)
A8-2CPMF SSSD CP/M 2.22F2 for Altos 8000-2
A8-2DIAG SSSD CP/M diagnostics and utilities for Altos 8000-2
A8-2UCWP SSSD UCSD Pascal Editor for word processing for 8000-2
A82HUCP2 SSSD UCSD Pascal 2.0 system disk for Altos 8000-2 HFP
A82SUCP2 SSSD UCSD Pascal 2.0 system disk for Aptos 8000-2 SFP
UCPFRTRN SSSD UCSD Pascal Fortran Compiler ADAP (?)
AMPRO
Name Format Description
LB-CPM-G DSDD Little Board/LB+ system disk - Rev G
LB-HDS-I DSDD Little Board+ disk - hard disk files only
LBSYS-B SSDD Little Board system disk
LBSYS-E SSDD Little Board system - enhanced
ATARI
Name Format Description
ATR8000 DSDD CP/M 2.2 for SWP ATR8000
AUTOTERM SSSD Autoterminal program for Atari 400/800
BEEHIVE
Name Format Description
BEEV10 DSDD Beehive Topper II CP/M 2.2 System - BIOS 1.0
BEEV13 DSDD Beehive Topper II CP/M 2.2 System - BIOS 1.3
BIGBOARD
Name Format Description
60KCPM22 SSSD CP/M 60K system disk
X4ACPM22 SSSD CP/M system disk - variant
BMC
Name Format Description
IF800BAS DSDD BASICA like operating system
IF800CPM DSDD CP/M 2.2 for BMC IF800 computer
BONDWELL
Name Format Description
BONDWL02 SSDD 3.5 CP/M 2.2 System Disk for Bondwell 2 Laptop
BONDWL12 SSDD 5.25 CP/M 2.2 System Disk for Bondwell 12
COMPUPRO
Name Format Description
ACT86 SSDD Sorcim ACT86 Assembler on CP/M-80 v2.2J system
CPM8022H SSDD CompuPro CP/M-80 v2.2H system disk
CPM8022N SSDD CompuPro CP/M-80 v2.2N system disk
CPM822K1 SSDD CompuPro CP/M-80 v2.2K system disk #1
CPM822K2 SSDD CompuPro CP/M-80 v2.2K system disk #2
CPM822LD SSDD CompuPro/G & G Engrng CP/M-80 v2.2LD system disk
CPM861PA DSDD CompuPro CP/M-86 v1.1PAA system disk
CPM861PD DSDD CompuPro CP/M-86 v1.1PD system disk
CPMPM816 SSDD CompuPro 8/16 MP/M @ 19.2K baud
CROMEMCO
Name Format Description
CDOS256 DSDD Cromemco CDOS 2.56
DEC Rainbow
Name Format Description
DECDSTAR SSQD DATASTAR for Rainbow
DECOVRBW SSQD Rainbow overview
DECRBW86 SSQD DOS for Rainbow
DECRBW96 SSQD DOS variant
DECRSTAR SSQD REPORTSTAR for Rainbow
DECWSTAR SSQD WORDSTAR
DRCDUTIL SSQD CORVUS utilities
DRCPM86 SSQD CP/M-86 for Rainbow
DRDATSTR SSQD DATASTAR
DRRPTSTR SSQD REPORTSTAR
DRSYSOVR SSQD System overview
DRWRDSTR SSQD WORDSTAR
MDM9-CPM SSQD Modem 9 for CP/M
PCOM-CPM SSQD Communications program - CP/M
PCOM-DOS SSQD Communications program - DOS
EAGLE
Name Format Description
EAGLII SSQD EAGLE II system disk
EAGLII-A SSQD EAGLE II system disk w/ CBASIC
EAGLIII DSQD EAGLE III system disk
E-SPBNDR SSQD EAGLE word processor disk
E-ULCALC SSQD EAGLE spreadsheet disk
ICM/SDCC CPZ4800x
Name Format Description
ASCOMICM DSTD ASCOM communications program
ICM-SDD SSDD ICM system disk
SDCC-SDD SSDD SDCC system disk
TD122-1 DSTD TURBODOS v 1.22 system disk 1
TD122-2 DSTD TURBODOS v 1.22 system disk 2
TD143-1 DSTD TURBODOS v 1.43 system disk 1
TD143-2 DSTD TURBODOS v 1.43 system disk 2
TD-BOOT DSTD TURBODOS boot disk
NOTE: DSTD is ICM TurboDOS DSDD format w/o boot track
INTERTEC SUPERBRAIN & COMPUSTAR
Name Format Description
QD-BIOS4 DSDD System disk w/ experimental BIOS
QD-UTILS DSDD System-specific utilities
QD-ZCPR3 DSDD ZCPR BIOS and source
QDHDBIOS DSDD Hard disk BIOSes
SBRAIN32 SSDD SUPERBRAIN v 3.2 system disk
VPU-COMM SSDD COMPUSTAR communications files
VPU30ENH SSDD COMPUSTAR enhanced system disk
VPU30NON SSDD COMPUSTAR non-enhanced system disk
VPU30NRM SSDD COMPUSTAR non-enhanced system disk
WATSTAR DSDD COMPUSTAR(?) network BIOS & files
KAYPRO
Name Format Description ROM
K10FLOAD DSDD CP/M 2.2F system disk (81-302-C)
K10HLOAD DSDD CP/M 2.2H system disk (81-302-C)
K10FRLOD DSDD CP/M 2.2F reload disk (81-302-C)
K10U-RLD DSDD CP/M 2.2U reload disk (U-ROM)
K10URLOD DSDD CP/M 2.2U reload disk (U ROM)
K2X22G DSDD CP/M 2.2G system disk (81-292-A)
K4836765 DSDD CP/M 2.2F system disk (81-232-A)
K4836768 DSDD CP/M 2.2F system disk (81-232-A)
K483FDSD DSDD CP/M 2.2F system disk (81-232-A)
KAYPRO1 DSDD CP/M 2.2U1 system disk (U-ROM)
KII-6085 SSDD CP/M 2.2F system disk (81-232-A)
KII-SSDD SSDD CP/M 2.2F system disk (81-232-A)
KP-TROM DSDD CP/M 2.2T system disk (ADVENT T'ROM)
KP22GDSD DSDD CP/M 2.2G system disk (81-292-A)
KPII-OLD SSDD CP/M 2.2F system disk (81-232-A)
KPRO-II SSDD CP/M 2.2F system disk (81-232-A)
KPROSSDD SSDD CP/M 2.2F system disk (81-232-A)
PRO884MX DSDD CP/M 2.2M system disk (MICRO C PRO-884-MAX)
MAGNUM
Name Format Description
FC100DIS SSSD Micro Design Associates MAGNUM FC-100 dist. disk
MAGBIO25 SSDD MAGNUM Computer Company BIOS 2.5 system disk
MORROW MD-2
Name Format Description
MD2PRGMR SSDD Programmer utilities
MOMBASIC SSDD MBASIC disk
MOMD216 SSDD System disk rev 1.6
MOMD2R13 SSDD System disk rev 1.3
MOMD2R16 SSDD System disk rev 1.6
MOMD2R1X SSDD System disk rev 1.x
MOMD2R21 SSDD System disk rev 2.1
MORROW MD-3
Name Format Description
MOMD3R22 DSDD CP/M 2.2 System disk rev 2.2
MOMD3R23 DSDD CP/M 2.2 System disk rev 2.3
MOMD3R31 DSDD CP/M 2.2 System disk rev 3.1
MORROW MD-5/11 (HD Models)
Name Format Description
MD5-BOOT DSDD MD-5 system disk
MD5-GEN3 DSDD MD-5 CP/M 3.0 system generation files
MD11DSK1 DSDD MD-11 distribution disk #1
MD11DSK2 DSDD MD-11 distribution disk #2
MICELLANEOUS
Name Format Description
ACTRIX SSDD Access Actrix system disk
EPSNQX10 DSDD Epson QX-10 system disk
KONTRN96 DSDD Kontron 59K CP/M 1.6 system disk - 96tpi
MOLEC-S9 DSDD Molecular Series 9 CP/M 2.2 (54K)
MONROE88 DSDD Monroe 88 CP/M system disk
OATT8086 DSDD Otrona Attache' w/ 8086 add-in board - MSDOS v2.1
OATTACHE DSDD Otrona Attache' system disk
ZMAG8990 SSDD Zenith-Magnolia system disk - soft sector
ADAMAKER ARC Program & doc to create ADAM diskette
NEC-APC
Name Format Description
BOOT-211 DSDD MSDOS 2.11 boot disk for NEC-APC
MBIOSLST DSDD MSDOA 2.11 BIOS list
MSDOS211 DSDD MDSOS 2.11
MSRC-LST DSDD MSDOS 2.11 source
MS_P-SYS DSDD UCSD p-System boots from MSDOS
PS-BIOS DSDD UCSD p-System BIOS
PS-BIOSR DSDD UCSD p-System BIOSR
PS-BOOT DSDD UCSD p-System boot
PS-DAVID DSDD UCSD p-System files
PS-GD-06 DSDD UCSD p-System files
PS-GRAF DSDD UCSD p-System graphic files
PS-GRAPH DSDD UCSD p-System graphic files
PS-GRDOC DSDD UCSD p-System graphic docs
PS-UTIL DSDD UCSD p-System utilities
NNC-CCS
Name Format Description
NNC-CCS DSDD CP/M 2.2 System disk for the NNC processor
with CCS 2422 FDC and CCS xxxx memory card
OSBORNE
Name Format Description
OS1BASIC SSSD Osborne 1 Basic disk
OS1DIAS SSSD Osborne 1 diagnostics disk
OS1MCAL SSSD Osborne 1 communications disk
OS1SYSS SSSD Osborne 1 system disk
OS1UTLS SSSD Osborne 1 utilities disk
OS1WRDST SSSD Osborne 1 Wordstar disk
OS1SYSD SSDD Osborne 1 system disk (upgrade ROM?)
SAGE II & IV
Name Format Description
CPM68K-A DSQD CP/M-68K for SAGE Computer - Disk A
CPM68K-B DSQD CP/M-68K for SAGE Computer - Disk B
CPM68K-C DSQD CP/M-68K for SAGE Computer - Disk C - Boot disk
CPM68KB1 SSSD CP/M-68K V1.0 (beta) for EXORMACS - 1 of 5
CPM68KB2 SSSD CP/M-68K V1.0 (beta) for EXORMACS - 2 of 5
CPM68KB3 SSSD CP/M-68K V1.0 (beta) for EXORMACS - 3 of 5
CPM68KB4 SSSD CP/M-68K V1.0 (beta) for EXORMACS - 4 of 5
CPM68KB5 SSSD CP/M-68K V1.0 (beta) for EXORMACS - 5 of 5
SANYO
Name Format Description
SMBC1000 DSDD Sanyo MBC-1000 CP/M 2.2 system disk
SMBC1100 DSDD Sanyo MBC-1100 CP/M 2.2 system disk
SMBC1200 DSQD Sanyo MBC-1200 CP/M 2.2 system disk #1.3
SAN555 DSDD Sanyo 555 MSDOS 2.11 system disk
SDSYSTEMS
Name Format Description
CPM30-1 DSDD SDSystems CP/M+ disk 1 for SBC-300 & VF-II
CPM30-2 DSDD SDSystems CP/M+ disk 2
CPM30-3 DSDD SDSystems CP/M+ disk 3
SEEQUA Chameleon
Name Format Description
SEEQCPM SSDD 64K CP/M 2.2 system disk
SEEQDOS1 SSDD MSDOS v1.1 for Chameleon (?)
SEEQDOS2 DSDD MSDOS v2.0 for Chameleon
SIERRA
Name Format Description
CPM22DD SSSD CP/M 2.2 DD system disk
CPM22HDS SSSD CP/M 2.2 HD system disk
CPM22S SSSD CP/M 2.2 SD system disk
HOLGUIN SSSD Group of specialized programs
MPM2CS SSSD MP/M 2 system disk
MPM2MS SSSD MP/M 2 system disk
RECLAIM SSSD Reclaim (Findbad clone)
TELEVIDEO
Name Format Description
802BIOS DSDD Televideo TS-802 reload disk
TPC-1 DSDD Televideo TPC-1 (portable) system disk
TS-802H DSDD Televideo TS-802H system disk
TS-803 DSDD Televideo TS-803 system disk
TV-MSDOS DSDD Televideo PC (?) DOS 2.11 system disk
XEROX 820
Name Format Description
5SYS-II SSDD 820-II 5.25" system disk s/n DC0003121
5DSYS-II DSDD 820-II 5.25" system disk s/n DC1001697
5WP-II SSDD 820-II 5.25" word processor dsk s/n DC0003121
8202CPM5 SSDD 820-II 5.25" system disk s/n DC0003121
8202DIA5 SSDD 820-II 5.25" diagnostic exerciser
8202PRG5 SSSD 820-II 5.25" programs No System
8202SIS5 SSDD 820-II 5.25" system disk s/n DC0003121
8202SYS8 SSDD 820-II 8" system disk s/n DC1001697
8202TRN5 SSSD 820-II 5.25" training disk No System
8202TRN8 SSSD 820-II 8" training disk No System
820DIA5 SSSD 820 5.25" diagnostics s/n BD0053000
820DIA8 SSSD 820 8" diagnostics s/n BD0050266
820SSSD SSSD 820 8" system disk s/n BS0054300
820SYS5 SSSD 820 5.25" system disk s/n BW0061446
820SYS8 SSSD 820 8" system disk s/n BS0050484
820SYS8S SSSD 820 8" system disk s/n BS0050484
820WP5 SSSD 820 5.25" word procesor disk s/n BW0061446
820WP8 SSSD 820 8" word processor disk s/n BW0050522
16-8DEV5 DSDD 16/8 5.25" CP/M-80/86 Development disk
16-8SYS5 DSDD 16/8 5.25" CP/M-80/86 System disk
16-8DOS5 DSDD 16/8 5.25" MS-DOS 2.0 Operating system
16-8UTL5 DSDD 16/8 5.25" MS-DOS 2.0 Utilities
16-8DEV8 SSDD 16/8 8" CP/M-80/86 Development disk
16-8SYS8 SSDD 16/8 8" CP/M-80/86 System disk
16-8DOS8 SSDD 16/8 8" MS-DOS 2.0 Operating system
16-8UTL8 SSDD 16/8 8" MS-DOS 2.0 Utilities
EMIIDIA5 DSDD 16/8 5.25" EM-II Diagnostics
Zenith Z100
Name Format Description
Z100CPM DSDD CP/M 2.2 system disk
Z100DOSA DSDD ZDOS disk A
Z100DOSB DSDD ZDOS disk B
Z100EKDR DSDD ZDOS driver for 6 meg EK drive
Z100ZPC DSDD ZDOS variant
ZBASIC DSDD Z100 BASIC
ZDOS100A DSDD ZDOS disk A
ZDOS100B DSDD ZDOS disk B
ZDOS310 DSDD ZDOS v3.10
ZEKDRIVE DSDD EK drive files
ZMDOS218 DSDD Z100 MSDOS v2.18
ZORBA
Name Format Description
ZRBACPM2 DSDD CP/M 2.2 system disk for Telcon Zorba w/ bios 1.6
ZRBA-CPM DSDD CP/M 2.2 system disk for Telcon Zorba w/ bios 1.6
ZRBUTIL6 DSDD CP/M 2.2 bios 1.6 with utilities for Zorba
ZRBUTIL7 DSDD CP/M 2.2 bios 1.7 with utilities for Zorba
ZRBSOURC DSDD CP/M 2.2 source code for bios, etc. for Zorba
Keeper of the CP/M System Disk | UUCP: {nosc ucsd crash ncr-sd}!pnet07!donm
Archives for the Dino(saur)SIG | ARPA: baron!pnet07!donm@nosc.mil
- San Diego Computer Society - | INET: donm@pnet07.cts.com
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Date: 06 Oct 91 15:18:50 MDT
From: S8ZB6@starburst.uscolo.edu
Subject: HZ89 Hardware
I have a Heath/Zenith 89 computer with some software, but I am limited by
my hardware in running the software. Does anyone have the old H77 external
dual drive unit that they would like to part with, or at a reasonable cost.
Need them to be the hard-sectored drives as well. Or possibly the H37
controller card and a soft sectored drive combination. Right now, I only
have one internal 100K hard sectored drive. Thanks in advance!
Dave Sackuvich (s8zb6@starburst.uscolo.edu)
------------------------------
Date: 5 Oct 91 22:44:46 GMT
From: hoptoad!curt@uunet.uu.net (Curt Mayer)
Subject: where computers goe to die
Message-ID: <21315@hoptoad.uucp>
a few times now i have been contacted by people wanting to populate
their basements with potential museum pieces. Yesterday, i paid my
semi-annual trip to Quinn's, and he had some interesting things that
i could not bring myself to buy, but i thought that maybe somebody
would want one.
1) mits altair, early model with ugly silkscreened front cover,
point to glorious point wiring. looks seriously expanded
with northstar cpu, als-8(!) in rom, about 10 boards in all.
very good shape. this one started it all.
he wanted 50 bucks for it.
2) processor technology sol-20 with helios disk. two complete.
full docs. yes, this sucker has the infamous persci floppy
with the linear voice coil positioner. great shape, the
wooden side panels are unscuffed. no boot disks.
didn't ask for price, but my experience at the place tells
me he'd let them go for 40 each, your mileage may vary.
3) northstar advantage, 2 floppies. two complete.
4 mhz z80 cp/m machine with bitmapped(!) graphics display.
i have one of these in my basement already, but if you can
stand hard sectored media, which i detest, these suckers
could be yours for next to nothing ($20.00 ?)
4) the usual odd bits and pieces. 3 morrow md-11 mother boards,
unknown condition; 3 z-64 satellite processors, look ok;
i've never paid more than 5 bucks for a board at Quinns.
note that if you don't know the place, you could easily
blow an entire day prospecting.
the address (they will ship anywhere):
Mike Quinn Electronics
Bldg. 727 Langley Blvd
Oakland Airport, CA 94614
(510) 569-1539 or (510) 569-3884 (415 will work until next year)
I have no connection to the place other than fanatical customer.
--
curt mayer
cmayer@oracle.com
curt@hoptoad.UUCP
415-387-0217 home
415-506-2504 work
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Date: 5 Oct 91 15:21:28 GMT
From: njsmu!mccc!pjh@princeton.edu (Pete Holsberg)
Subject: Z80MU Professional
Message-ID: <1991Oct5.152128.7176@mccc.edu>
Is Joan Riff still in business? (She and her company wrote the Z80/CP/M
emulator that runs on MSDOS.) If not, is one permitted to use it without
paying the $150/copy? How do you defeat the nasty opening message?
Thanks,
Pete
--
Prof. Peter J. Holsberg Mercer County Community College
Voice: 609-586-4800 Engineering Technology, Computers and Math
FAX: 609-586-6944 1200 Old Trenton Road, Trenton, NJ 08690
Internet: pjh@mccc.edu IT'S OFFICIAL!!! TCF 92 is April 11-12, 1992
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From: INFO-CPM-REQUEST@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL
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Subject: INFO-CPM Digest V91 #174
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INFO-CPM Digest Tue, 15 Oct 91 Volume 91 : Issue 174
Today's Topics:
BCPL for CP/M, MSDOS and Unix (2 msgs)
Epson Qx16--Spectrum L80 printer problem
FIDO-Net software for CP/M? (2 msgs)
Kaypro II help wanted
Need Kaypro 4 manual, Perfect Writer manual
Osborne Executive -- Part Missing
Re: Help with Molecular Computer (3 msgs)
Re: Kaypro II help wanted
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Date: 11 Oct 91 02:00:22 GMT
From: agate!usenet.ins.cwru.edu!magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!samsung!munnari.oz.au!metro!dmssyd.syd.dms.CSIRO.AU!ditsydh.syd.dit.CSIRO.AU!ken@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (Ken Yap)
Subject: BCPL for CP/M, MSDOS and Unix
Message-ID: <1991Oct11.020022.23256@syd.dit.CSIRO.AU>
There's a BCPL* compiler bootstrap kit with an INTCODE interpreter in
C. It compiles on CP/M, MSDOS and Unix. Executables for CP/M and DOS
are also provided. You can get it from ftp.syd.dit.csiro.au
[130.155.128.3] in [.languages]bcpl.tar_z (VMS machine). The kit is
based on the INTCODE bootstrap technique explained in the book BCPL:
The language and its implementation, Richards and another (not certain
of title, book's at home).
Remember, it's an interpretive system for bootstrapping purposes, so
expect a 10 to 20 times hit compared with native code.
The interpreter was done for fun so it's offered as is, no support,
USTL. But if you do anything weird with it, do let me know.
*BCPL (Basic Combined Programming Language) is a system programming
language invented by Martin Richards. It's a typeless language with
only one data type, the machine word. Some of its ideas have
influenced C.
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Date: 11 Oct 91 02:00:22 GMT
From: agate!usenet.ins.cwru.edu!magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!samsung!munnari.oz.au!metro!dmssyd.syd.dms.CSIRO.AU!ditsydh.syd.dit.CSIRO.AU!ken@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (Ken Yap)
Subject: BCPL for CP/M, MSDOS and Unix
Message-ID: <1991Oct11.020022.23256@syd.dit.CSIRO.AU>
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Date: 7 Oct 91 20:19:23 GMT
From: agate!lima.berkeley.edu!bks@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (Bradley K. Sherman)
Subject: Epson Qx16--Spectrum L80 printer problem
Message-ID: <1991Oct7.201923.24285@agate.berkeley.edu>
A friend has been given an Epson Qx16 computer and a Spectrum Lx-80 printer.
Unfortunately the documentation for the _printer_ is missing. There
are 12 dip switches on the back of the printer for which I need information.
If you can provide me with some info about these switch settings I would
be most appreciative. This is a mission of mercy for a starving writer.
This machine runs MSDOS in addition to CP/M so if anyone can recommend
other appropriate news groups, please e-mail.
Thanks,
Brad Sherman (bks@alfa.berkeley.edu) or (510)655-8647
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Date: 11 Oct 91 09:02:20 GMT
From: eru!hagbard!sunic!dkuug!dde!ac@bloom-beacon.mit.edu (Anders Conrad)
Subject: FIDO-Net software for CP/M?
Message-ID: <1991Oct11.090220.10263@dde.dk>
Does anyone out there know of software packages that allow a CP/M
system to function as a FIDO-Net node or point?
If yes, where can you get it, and on what terms (preferably in Europe
and preferably via this network)?
Thanks in advance!
--
Anders Conrad
Dansk Data Elektronik A/S, Herlev, Denmark
E-mail: ac@dde.dk or ..!mcsun!dkuug!dde!ac
------------------------------
Date: 11 Oct 91 09:02:20 GMT
From: eru!hagbard!sunic!dkuug!dde!ac@bloom-beacon.mit.edu (Anders Conrad)
Subject: FIDO-Net software for CP/M?
Message-ID: <1991Oct11.090220.10263@dde.dk>
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Date: 15 Oct 91 10:07:23 GMT
From: pyrnj!pyrite!bill@rutgers.edu (Bill Pechter)
Subject: Kaypro II help wanted
Message-ID: <5@pyrite.UUCP>
I'm looking for prints and info on a Kaypro II. I picked one up at
a flea market. It has a wierd Sylvania modified bios/boot rom...
I'm interested in getting a real non-oem KII rom and also finding
prints and modifications to make this machine double sided.
Any help would be appreciated.
Bill
--
-m------- Bill Pechter | The postmaster always pings twice.
---mmm----- Pyramid Technology | bill@pyrite.nj.pyramid.com
-----mmmmm--- 10 Woodbridge Center Drive | pyramid!pyrite!bill
-------mmmmmmm- Woodbridge, NJ. 07095 |Tel:908-602-6308 Fax:908-750-3908
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Date: 10 Oct 91 16:19:19 GMT
From: agate!stanford.edu!msi.umn.edu!cs.umn.edu!ux.acs.umn.edu!lrccon@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (Philip Arny)
Subject: Need Kaypro 4 manual, Perfect Writer manual
Message-ID: <4988@ux.acs.umn.edu>
I just picked up a lovely Kaypro 4, but am missing a couple of manuals.
Would anyone out there have a spare copy of
1) the Kaypro 4 manual itself (describing the machine & cpm?)
2) a perfect writer manual.
Also, does anyone know of a ftp site where I can get a preconfigured
copy of the latest kermit for the kaypro?
thanks.
Philip Arny
lrccon@ux.acs.umn.edu
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Date: 11 Oct 91 00:59:50 GMT
From: ecsgate!tcamp@mcnc.org (Ted A. Campbell)
Subject: Osborne Executive -- Part Missing
Message-ID: <1991Oct11.005950.23159@ecsvax.uncecs.edu>
I was recently given an Osborne Executive. Although the previous
owner thought it was working, it wouldn't boot. A quick check
showed that a card is apparently missing -- there is a long
connector on one end of the main board with nothing attached
to it. This computer sat for a while in an open computer
facility, and I suspect that someone ripped off the card
thinking it might have RAM on it.
Despite the fact that I once owned an Osborne Executive, I
no longer know what the card was that was taken. Anyone have
any clues? Any sources for the part?
Ted A. Campbell
Duke Divinity School
tcamp@uncecs.edu
------------------------------
Date: 15 Oct 91 00:40:54 GMT
From: jacobs.CS.ORST.EDU!langfod@cs.orst.edu (Maggot_Muncher)
Subject: Re: Help with Molecular Computer
Message-ID: <1991Oct15.004054.12943@usenet@CS.ORST.EDU>
In article <1991Oct14.210504.15768@baron.uucp> donm@pnet07.cts.com (Don Maslin) writes:
>Do you have any idea of the relationship between your Supermicro*32a and
>a Super 9?
None whatsoever. All I know is that it is a SuperMicro*32 w/o the expansion
port (for addition of external drives and such) model number 35-32
serial: 20126.
It is running CP/M 2.2 although the boot disk (floppy) has a bad boot
track.
It seems to have been made around '82 or '83.
I have the "SuperMicro Installation and User Reference Manual" but as for
documentation that is it.
>
>
>Keeper of the CP/M System Disk | UUCP: {nosc ucsd crash ncr-sd}!pnet07!donm
>Archives for the Dino(saur)SIG | ARPA: baron!pnet07!donm@nosc.mil
>- San Diego Computer Society - | INET: donm@pnet07.cts.com
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+----------------------------------------------------------------------------+
| David Langford - Corvallis, OR | `Let the sweet breezes heal me |
| | As they rove around the girth |
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Date: 14 Oct 91 21:05:04 GMT
From: baron!baron!pnet07!donm@nosc.mil (Don Maslin)
Subject: Re: Help with Molecular Computer
Message-ID: <1991Oct14.210504.15768@baron.uucp>
langfod@jacobs.CS.ORST.EDU (Maggot_Muncher) writes:
>
>I recently aquired a Molecluar Supermicro*32a computer.
Do you have any idea of the relationship between your Supermicro*32a and
a Super 9?
Keeper of the CP/M System Disk | UUCP: {nosc ucsd crash ncr-sd}!pnet07!donm
Archives for the Dino(saur)SIG | ARPA: baron!pnet07!donm@nosc.mil
- San Diego Computer Society - | INET: donm@pnet07.cts.com
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Date: 15 Oct 91 19:25:04 GMT
From: baron!baron!pnet07!donm@nosc.mil (Don Maslin)
Subject: Re: Help with Molecular Computer
Message-ID: <1991Oct15.192504.12443@baron.uucp>
langfod@jacobs.CS.ORST.EDU (Maggot_Muncher) writes:
>In article <1991Oct14.210504.15768@baron.uucp> donm@pnet07.cts.com (Don Maslin) writes:
>>Do you have any idea of the relationship between your Supermicro*32a and
>>a Super 9?
>
>None whatsoever. All I know is that it is a SuperMicro*32 w/o the expansion
>port (for addition of external drives and such) model number 35-32
>serial: 20126.
Can you describe the size and shape of the circuit card(s)? From running /
CPM-2.2, I assume a Z-80 processor, correct?
>It is running CP/M 2.2 although the boot disk (floppy) has a bad boot
>track.
Are you able to look at the boot track to see what the problem is?
>I have the "SuperMicro Installation and User Reference Manual" but as for
>documentation that is it.
>>
That is at least a little bit better than nothing!
- don
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Date: 15 Oct 91 18:25:03 GMT
From: baron!baron!pnet07!donm@nosc.mil (Don Maslin)
Subject: Re: Kaypro II help wanted
Message-ID: <1991Oct15.182503.11309@baron.uucp>
You might contact:
EMERALD MICROWARE
P.O. Box 1726
Beaverton OR 97075
503/641-0347/8088 Brian/Patricia
The handle third party stuff for Kaypros and can probably help you.
- don
Keeper of the CP/M System Disk | UUCP: {nosc ucsd crash ncr-sd}!pnet07!donm
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INFO-CPM Digest Thu, 17 Oct 91 Volume 91 : Issue 175
Today's Topics:
Media-Master
Re: HELP!! on Research Paper
Re: Looking to purchace CP/M system disks for my C128
Re: Media-Master (2 msgs)
Re: Osborne Executive -- Part Missing
Re: Re: general (Floppy Drives on the Xerox 820-II)
Shugart drive info
Small TeX
the televideo
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Date: 16 Oct 91 12:08:49 GMT
From: bu.edu!wang!news@bloom-beacon.mit.edu
Subject: Media-Master
Message-ID: <395@itexjct.UUCP>
I tried to format a diskette for my TeleVideo TS803, with Media-Master on
some PC clone, but the TeleVideo can't read nor write them.
1: What is wrong?
2: Is there any other program out there which read/write cp/m disk on PC
AND can copy between PC<-->CPM?
thanx
Joel Jacobsen
jacobsen@brachot.jct.ac.il
jacobsen@pesach.jct.ac.il
jacobsen@itexjct.jct.ac.il
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Date: 15 Oct 91 09:06:06 GMT
From: cis.ohio-state.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!wupost!csus.edu!csusac!sactoh0!ijpc!ianj@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (Ian Justman)
Subject: Re: HELP!! on Research Paper
Message-ID: <VsPu01w164w@ijpc.UUCP>
c_s02622@stat.appstate.edu writes:
> P.S.:Maybe you know someone still at Digital Research who could help me with
> references, or could arrange a set of CP/M manuals? Please, pass it
> along.
Good luck, my friend, and may the Force be with you. DRI is in
the process of being bought out by Novell, and they probably
don't (and won't) give a rat's posterior about CP/M. If I'm not
TERRIBLY mistaken, nor does DRI as it now stands. And that is
royally sad.
Ian Justman | ...!{ames|apple|sun}!pacbell_
6612 Whitsett Drive | ...!ucbvax!ucdavis!csusac____|-!sactoh0!ijpc!ianj
North Highlands, CA 95660| "Great. The Garden of Eden with land mines."
(916) 344-5360 | --Captain James T. Kirk, "The Apple"
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Date: 15 Oct 91 23:49:14 GMT
From: cis.ohio-state.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!uakari.primate.wisc.edu!usenet.coe.montana.edu!icsu0130@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (Robert)
Subject: Re: Looking to purchace CP/M system disks for my C128
Message-ID: <1991Oct15.234914.14786@coe.montana.edu>
Does anyone know where I can purchace CP/M system disks for my Commodore 128?
Is it worth it? I know of others in the Commodore news group who are
interested to.
Clem
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Date: 16 Oct 91 16:43:45 GMT
From: mentor.cc.purdue.edu!hopf.math.purdue.edu!wilker@purdue.edu (Clarence Wilkerson)
Subject: Re: Media-Master
Message-ID: <22274@mentor.cc.purdue.edu>
Try the 22DISK set ( shareware ) from SIMTEL20, in MSDOS.DSKUTL
directory.
One problem that might happen is that some cpm bios's need a
header block at the beginning of the disk to be able to recognize
the format of the disk.
Clarence Wilkerson
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Date: 16 Oct 91 20:00:49 GMT
From: aunro!ersys!davem@g.ms.uky.edu (Dave McCrady)
Subject: Re: Media-Master
Message-ID: <3ReX03w164w@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca>
itexjct!jacobsen%itexjct@vms.huji.ac.il writes:
> I tried to format a diskette for my TeleVideo TS803, with Media-Master on
> some PC clone, but the TeleVideo can't read nor write them.
>
> 1: What is wrong?
Have you tried formatting the disks on your TS803 and then using Media
Master to read/write them?
> 2: Is there any other program out there which read/write cp/m disk on PC
> AND can copy between PC<-->CPM?
>
Yup. Uniform-PC by MicroSolutions. I can point you at a vendor if
local dealers don't have it ..
Dave McCrady davem@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca
Edmonton Remote Systems: Serving Northern Alberta since 1982
------------------------------
Date: 16 Oct 91 13:20:33 GMT
From: agate!spool.mu.edu!think.com!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!hobbes.physics.uiowa.edu!news.iastate.edu!IASTATE.EDU!danny@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (Danny A Staedtler)
Subject: Re: Osborne Executive -- Part Missing
Message-ID: <1991Oct16.082033@IASTATE.EDU>
The Osborne Executive has two long connectors on each side of the
motherboard. The connector on the left is for the memory board. The
board is positioned upside down on spacers. If you lift the board off
you will find two rows of 4164 rams chips and some TTL support chips.
If you are missing this card your in trouble. I am working on a
replacement (see below), but I won't count on it right away.
The connector on the right was used for the hard disk interface card.
(Did I really say HARD DISK?) Yes, a very few Osborne Executives had
hard disks in them. I have not seen one, but a co-worker said he once
had one. ( I am trying to find out more about this.)
You didn't give very much information on the symptoms on why your
machine would not boot. I am willing to help you, but I'll need more
information on the trouble.
Since I used to service Osbornes (and still do) I have the service
manuals and schematics to the Executive. I am working on upgrading my
Executive to add the additional four banks of memory, a larger boot
EPROM to add additional routines to the BIOS and replacing the 5 1/4
inch disk drives with 3 1/2 inch HD drives. (The Executive was built
with easily expandable hardware.) I almost have the pc layout of the
memory board done. I am still trying to track down the Osborne
Technical Reference manuals to get the BIOS listings to do the EPROM
and disk drives.
Even though I don't mind altering my Executive, I would like to find
one I could experiment with. If anyone has an Executive they don't
want anymore I would gladly pay shiping and handling.
Danny A. Staedtler
291 Durham Center
Iowa State University
Ames, Iowa 50011
515-294-7628
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Date: 15 Oct 91 09:21:34 GMT
From: cis.ohio-state.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!wupost!csus.edu!csusac!sactoh0!ijpc!ianj@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (Ian Justman)
Subject: Re: Re: general (Floppy Drives on the Xerox 820-II)
Message-ID: <Niqu02w164w@ijpc.UUCP>
ritchie@hpdmd48.boi.hp.com (David Ritchie) writes:
> I think that these are probably hard sector drives, so the answer is
> 'no'.
Wrong, pal. There's no such thing as a "hard-sectored drive" in
the 5 1/4" world. Besides, ALL FM and MFM soft-secotred setups
have and use the said emitter-dectector pair. Even the IBM PCs
use them. That's how the hardware finds sector 1 on each track.
In the world of soft-sectors, it's called the "index detector";
in hard sectors, it demarcates each sector and says where the
track starts/ends.
The only thing that determines whether the disk is hard- or
soft-sectored, save the drive controller, is the disk itself.
The only soft-sectored drives that don't use the index/sector
hole that I know of are Apple II, Commodore, and Atari.
> To be certain, look for a hard sector detector/LED combo near the
> drive hub -- if so, the drive is hard sector.
Pure and total horse-hockey. FM and MFM soft-sectored systems
MUST use it to find the first sector. In soft-sectored world,
like I said, it's called the "index sensor". 3 1/2" drives use
it too, but it's built into the drive and the diskette itself
doesn't need the hole because the diskette lines up to the hub in
EXACTLY the same place every time. On the 5 1/4" disk where you
can't clamp onto a very specific place like you can with a 3 1/2"
and have it line up with the index, you MUST have part of the
indexing mechanism on the floppy diskette itself. And don't tell
me it doesn't. And if you try, tell me what that one hole on the
diskette (not the hub; the one where sectoring holes would
normally go) is for.
BTW, there's no such thing an an "IBM PC floppy drive". There
ain't no such thing. The interface is exactly the same as if you
had taken your disk drive from your Kaypro and plugged it into
your PC.
Ian Justman | ...!{ames|apple|sun}!pacbell_
6612 Whitsett Drive | ...!ucbvax!ucdavis!csusac____|-!sactoh0!ijpc!ianj
North Highlands, CA 95660| "Great. The Garden of Eden with land mines."
(916) 344-5360 | --Captain James T. Kirk, "The Apple"
------------------------------
Date: 13 Oct 91 17:29:02 GMT
From: langfod@jacobs.CS.ORST.EDU (Maggot_Muncher)
Subject: Shugart drive info
Message-ID: <1991Oct13.172902.17678@usenet@CS.ORST.EDU>
Does anybody have pinout/timing info etc for shugart hard/floppy drives and
their interfaces?
Thank you....
David Langford
langfod@jacobs.cs.orst.edu
--
+----------------------------------------------------------------------------+
| David Langford - Corvallis, OR | `Let the sweet breezes heal me |
| | As they rove around the girth |
------------------------------
Date: 16 Oct 91 04:40:27 GMT
From: mentor.cc.purdue.edu!noose.ecn.purdue.edu!ea.ecn.purdue.edu!wieland@purdue.edu (Jeffrey J Wieland)
Subject: Small TeX
Message-ID: <1991Oct16.044027.4445@noose.ecn.purdue.edu>
I understand that there is version of Small TeX for CP/M, ported by
MIke Meyer. I have been unable to find it on Simtel20. Does anyone
know where I might find it?
--
Jeff Wieland
wieland@ecn.purdue.edu
------------------------------
Date: 13 Oct 91 17:37:55 GMT
From: ephillip@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Earl W Phillips)
Subject: the televideo
Message-ID: <CMM.0.90.2.687375475.ephillip@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>
I finally have repaired my televideo 800-a terminal,
and the entire system is now up and running almost
perfectly. Now I have a communications problem. Can
any ted{evideo gurus out there tell me, do I need to
use the system as a server, thru mmost{, in order to
communicate? I have hooked my 2400 baud modem to both
the rs232 port on the cpu AND the terminal, with the
system set up as a straight cp/m system sans mmost,
and it simply will not talk to the modem. Any ideas?
*****************************************************************
* | ====@==== ///////// *
* ephillip@magnus.ircc.ohio-state.edu| ``________// *
* | `------' *
* -JR- | Space;........the final *
* | frontier............... *
*****************************************************************
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INFO-CPM Digest Fri, 18 Oct 91 Volume 91 : Issue 176
Today's Topics:
Attention: Mike Scott
Dave Rose, or anyone with QTERM on a TRS 80
forsale: Osborne I CP/M computer (and books)
Re: HELP!! on Research Paper
Re: Media-Master (2 msgs)
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Date: 18 Oct 91 14:44:19 GMT
From: aunro!apss!ersys!davem@g.ms.uky.edu (Dave McCrady)
Subject: Attention: Mike Scott
Message-ID: <kgP101w164w@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca>
I tried to mail this, but the message bounced. Hopefully you'll see it
this way:
Mike Scott <mjtt%uorvm.bitnet@utcs.utoronto.ca> writes:
>
> You had mentioned (in the comp.os.cpm) list that you could dig up a vendor
> for Uniform-PC. I have been looking for something like that for a while and
> have not been able to come up with anything.
>
> If you have a vendor name for that product, I would be very grateful.
>
I got mine from Brian Garrison at Emerald MIcroware in Beaverton,
Oregon. (503) 641-8088. They do mail order and I find them good people
to do business with. My copy of uniform gets used a *lot*.
Dave McCrady davem@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca
Edmonton Remote Systems: Serving Northern Alberta since 1982
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 16 Oct 91 23:44:18 PDT
From: pallio.UUCP!dg@mis.ucsf.EDU (David Goodenough)
Subject: Dave Rose, or anyone with QTERM on a TRS 80
Message-ID: <XX00012dc9@pallio.UUCP>
This is a general call for anyone who is running QTERM on a TRS-80
Model 4, and for Dave Rose if you're listening in.
I've been working with someone on GEnie, and the standard TRS-80
patch doesn't work - it simply locks up his system.
Any takers?
--
dg@pallio.UUCP - David Goodenough +---+
IHS | +-+-+
.....!wet!pallio!dg +-+-+ |
AKA: dg%pallio.UUCP@cs.sfsu.edu +---+
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Date: 18 Oct 91 18:13:17 GMT
From: att!cbnewsh!hos1cad!billc@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (Bill Carpenter)
Subject: forsale: Osborne I CP/M computer (and books)
Message-ID: <1991Oct18.181317.20661@cbnewsh.cb.att.com>
For sale: Osborne I CP/M computer, software, and books. [[This is a
sort of a repost with a couple changes. A few of the items from my
previous post were sold; I thought I had a deal for the rest, but it
fell through.]]
I won't describe the basic Osborne I configuration; if you don't
already know what an O-1 is, then you probably shouldn't go after this
offer. It ain't no "compatible" PC! On the other hand, if you're
interested and have questions, feel free to get in touch.
I got this machine in (probably) '82 and used it regularly for a few
years. It's been closed up since '86, but I fired it up today and it
still works great. I'd like to sell it to someone who knows what
they're getting into. I need the space more than I need the money, so
make a fair offer and feel free to embellish in the hope that I'll go
for some low sucker price (but I do have my pride: it cost me $1300
[at the time a "fire sale" price] for the machine, plus all the extras
I accumulated along the way; naturally, that's a fantasy price these
days). If you're part of some nonprofit organization that's already
using Osbornes (or at least CP/M machines), I would consider donating
this in exchange for a tax receipt.
FEATURES:
blue case
ROM version 1.44
clean (really clean, not junky, not even dusty)
external video jack [see VIDEO NOTE]
double density disk upgrade
all the original s/w and docs, even the original carton the
thing came in
rear-vent fan thingy (I forget the official name of this)
parallel printer adaptor cable
joystick adaptor (this works with a couple of the games I
have, but today I can't find the adaptor itself; if I
find it later, it's yours)
VIDEO NOTE: The external video output is part of the 52/80/100 board
(Osborne ScreenPac), but the rest of the board never worked right.
Still the external video jack works, and you can have both the
built-in monitor and an external monitor working at the same time; no
funny plug to play around with. I also have the "exmon" adaptor (the
funny plug that is used to switch between internal and external
monitors); I don't recall if it works. I have an amber monitor that I
used to use with this. It's a USI PS3. It used to be considered
hi-res, but certainly wouldn't be today. If you want the monitor,
make an offer.
SOFTWARE: In addition to the stuff that all Osborne I's came with
(WordStar 2.26, SuperCalc, CBASIC, MBASIC) and a lot of mid-80's
vintage public domain stuff, here's some other (mostly commercial)
software that I got over the years. This is all legally acquired and
I still have complete original documentation for most of it.
The Micro Link (v 1.1) [comm program]
Personal Pearl [relational database program, 7 disks!]
Media Master (v 3.00s) [foreign disk reader/writer]
Small MAC [macro assembler]
Z80ASM (SLR Systems)
Nevada FORTRAN
Z80 Cross Assembler (2500AD Software)
MIX Editor
MIX ASM Utility
SCG22 [source code generator for CP/M 2.2]
Besides all this, you get to stroll down memory lane and relive early
microcomputer history as you look at the odd collection of disks and
sleeves in the 50-100 other disks that come with it.
I also have a ton of documentation for the Osborne and for CP/M in
general:
Osborne I Technical Manual (includes ROM/BIOS listings)
Osdex (index to O1 user's manual)
Sams Computerfacts: OCC1, OCC1A (schematics, etc)
Don't (Or How to Care for Your Computer)
Microprocessor Interfacing Techniques
More TRS-80 Assembly Language
8080A-8085 Assembly Language Programming
Programming the Z80
The Programmer's CP/M Handbook
The CP/M Plus Handbook
Osborne CP/M User Guide
Mastering CP/M
CP/M Operating System Manual (official Digital Research version)
C Primer Plus (this book sucks)
CBASIC User Guide
Payroll with Cost Accounting (includes CBASIC source listing)
Best of Interface Age, Volume I, Software in BASIC
Understanding FORTH
Pocket Guide to FORTH
Quick and Easy WordStar
Proportional Spacing on WordStar
The Small C Handbook
SuperCalc Primer
I'd prefer to get rid of it in a big heap, but I'd consider doing it
in pieces. So, like, make me an offer for some or all of this. Email
preferred, but my daytime phone number is below.
--
Bill
(908) 576-2932 attmail!bill or att!pegasus!billc
AT&T Bell Labs / AT&T EasyLink Services LZ 1E-207
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Date: 17 Oct 91 13:08:57 GMT
From: mentor.cc.purdue.edu!gauss.math.purdue.edu!wilker@purdue.edu (Clarence Wilkerson)
Subject: Re: HELP!! on Research Paper
Message-ID: <22386@mentor.cc.purdue.edu>
There is quite a bit of online documentation on SIMTEL20
in the CPM sections. There are help files, and rewites of
the command line processor, the BDOS and many samples of
BIOS code. If you want function calls, just look at the
docs for MSDOS 1.0 :) .
If you want to try out an authenic non-souped up CP/M 2.2
online, rlogin into hopf.math.purdue.edu (128.210.3.18) as
"cpm" . This will put you into a real CPM running on a
Unix 8080 emulator written in C. "CPU cycles are the cheapest
things to waste ???".
Clarence Wilkerson
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Date: Thu, 17 Oct 91 09:12:53 PDT
From: rzh@icf.llnl.gov (R. Hanscom)
Subject: Re: Media-Master
Message-ID: <9110171612.AA04750@icf.llnl.gov.llnl.gov>
Joel Jacobsen ( jacobsen@brachot.jct.ac.il ) writes:
> I tried to format a diskette for my TeleVideo TS803, with Media-Master on
> some PC clone, but the TeleVideo can't read nor write them.
Not an uncommon problem. Format the diskette on the native machine
and then write to it on the PC. Media-Master is a piece of dog-meat
anyway --- use 22disk or Uniform.
The folks at Sydex (creators of 22disk) told me that the FDC chip
used in most PC's cannot read or write single density with sector
size of 128b. Supposedly a flaw in the chip logic. I have no way
to verify this, and just pass it along as a potential topic of
discussion. Does the TeleVideo TS803 use SD 128b sectors anywhere
on a diskette????
roger icf!rzh@lll-winken.llnl.gov
rzh@phoenix.ocf.llnl.gov
rzh@llnl.gov
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Date: 17 Oct 91 18:45:03 GMT
From: baron!baron!pnet07!donm@nosc.mil (Don Maslin)
Subject: Re: Media-Master
Message-ID: <1991Oct17.184503.27629@baron.uucp>
itexjct!jacobsen%itexjct@vms.huji.ac.il writes:
>I tried to format a diskette for my TeleVideo TS803, with Media-Master on
>some PC clone, but the TeleVideo can't read nor write them.
>
>1: What is wrong?
>2: Is there any other program out there which read/write cp/m disk on PC
> AND can copy between PC<-->CPM?
>
Sure, either MicroSolutions' UniForm, or Sydex 22Disk will do the job for
you. UniForm is a commercial program, and 22Disk is shareware.
- don
Keeper of the CP/M System Disk | UUCP: {nosc ucsd crash ncr-sd}!pnet07!donm
Archives for the Dino(saur)SIG | ARPA: baron!pnet07!donm@nosc.mil
- San Diego Computer Society - | INET: donm@pnet07.cts.com
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Subject: INFO-CPM Digest V91 #177
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INFO-CPM Digest Mon, 21 Oct 91 Volume 91 : Issue 177
Today's Topics:
Commodore 128 CP/M disks
Kaypro 2 info needed...
Media-Master
New system online
Reply to INFO-CPM Digest V91 #175
TeleVideo 800A
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Date: Mon, 21 Oct 91 05:12:44 -0400
From: ac959@cleveland.Freenet.Edu
Subject: Commodore 128 CP/M disks
Message-ID: <9110210912.AA27289@cwns1.INS.CWRU.Edu>
Subject: Re: Looking to purchace CP/M system disks for my C128
>Does anyone know where I can purchace CP/M system disks for my Commodore 128?
>Is it worth it? I know of others in the Commodore news group who are
>interested to.
>Clem
The manual for the C-128 has a coupon for the CP/M 3.0 disks and
DRI CP/M 3.0 manuals. The price for the disk and manuals is
$19.95 in the US, and $29.95 in Canada. If you don't have (or
cannot get) a copy of the c-128 coupon, send me an SASE and I'll
send you a copy (be sure to mention what it's for). Take care.
--
Ed Grey \*\ Sysop of The Grey Matter BBS & RCP/M 213-971-6260
P.O. Box #2186 \*\ Bitnet: ac959%cleveland.freenet.edu@cunyvm
Inglewood, CA 90305 \*\ Internet: ac959@cleveland.freenet.edu
USA \*\ v.: 213-759-7406 \*\ Fido: 1:102/752 \*\ GEnie: E.GREY1
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Date: Sun, 20 Oct 91 19:25:42 -0400
From: ac959@cleveland.Freenet.Edu
Subject: Kaypro 2 info needed...
Message-ID: <9110202325.AA14662@cwns1.INS.CWRU.Edu>
The following is a message, left on my BBS, from a Kaypro 2 user.
I am reposting here in the hopes that one of the Kaypro gurus
will contact him and offer to help. Take care.
Ed Grey, Sysop of The Grey Matter BBS & RCP/M (213-971-6260)
*******************************
Folder: General
Msg. # 8776 Dated: 10/19/91 (R) Subj: Exit Comment
To: Ed Grey From: Bill Smoote
Left 02:11:33, 10/19/91
To: SysOp
From: W.C. Smoote
Re: Wow! a CP/M BBS!!!
Wow! That is all I have to say! I haven't seen a CP/M BBS in a
loooong time!! As an introduction, I am living in Fla, and can
only call sporadically... but call I will! I will even upload,
seeing that I have access to several other BBS' around this great
country of ours <snicker>. I am running on a Kaypro 2 with dual
195k FD's, und am communicating using a modified version of MEX
4.1.
I will have questions, seeing as how I am a new CP/M user, and I
will probably drive you crazy with feedback and questions, but,
that's the way I am... To get to the heart of my reason for
contacting anyone I can, I am looking for some way to put a pair
of 360k FD's into a Kaypro2 without killing my computer or
getting LOTS of BDOS errors... is it the BIOS, or my software???
I needs to know!!! If you can help me with this, and carry what I
need, I will purchase said equipment from you!!! I am also
looking for a way to connect a 10 meg HD to this monster (same
question)... I already cut the holes into the case for the FD's
(they are full height) and would appreciate an answer FAST!!! I
also have put off purchasing a Kalok 10 meg HD 'til i could find
someone who isn't ashamed of knowing more about CP/M than the
fact that it is an operating system... I am looking forward to
this, as are a few friends running under 3.0 on commie 128's (I
am on 2.2).
Thank you VERRRY much,
William C. Smoote
6139 Sunflower Dr.
Cocoa, Florida
32927
N)ext, R)eply, D)elete, E)xit:
--
Ed Grey \*\ Sysop of The Grey Matter BBS & RCP/M 213-971-6260
P.O. Box #2186 \*\ Bitnet: ac959%cleveland.freenet.edu@cunyvm
Inglewood, CA 90305 \*\ Internet: ac959@cleveland.freenet.edu
USA \*\ v.: 213-759-7406 \*\ Fido: 1:102/752 \*\ GEnie: E.GREY1
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Date: Mon, 21 Oct 91 05:11:00 -0400
From: ac959@cleveland.Freenet.Edu
Subject: Media-Master
Message-ID: <9110210911.AA27126@cwns1.INS.CWRU.Edu>
Subject: Media-Master
>I tried to format a diskette for my TeleVideo TS803, with Media-Master on
>some PC clone, but the TeleVideo can't read nor write them.
I would suggest that you try formatting the disk on the TeleVideo
and see will the PC-clone then read and write to/from the disk.
>1: What is wrong?
It could have something to do with the size of the read/write
heads on the drive. Does your PC-clone have 360K drives? If
not, the heads are narrower thus making alignment more critical.
As least that's what I've been told.
>2: Is there any other program out there which read/write cp/m disk on PC
> AND can copy between PC<-->CPM?
UNIFORM-PC can do it. I think it is priced around $65-$70. I
can get it for you if you decide to go that route, but Media-
Master should do the trick...
thanx
Joel Jacobsen
jacobsen@brachot.jct.ac.il
jacobsen@pesach.jct.ac.il
jacobsen@itexjct.jct.ac.il
--
Ed Grey \*\ Sysop of The Grey Matter BBS & RCP/M 213-971-6260
P.O. Box #2186 \*\ Bitnet: ac959%cleveland.freenet.edu@cunyvm
Inglewood, CA 90305 \*\ Internet: ac959@cleveland.freenet.edu
USA \*\ v.: 213-759-7406 \*\ Fido: 1:102/752 \*\ GEnie: E.GREY1
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Date: 19 Oct 91 21:36:31 GMT
From: cis.ohio-state.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!menudo.uh.edu!buster!blkbox!odt@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (Open Desktop user)
Subject: New system online
Message-ID: <2@blkbox.UUCP>
The Black Box BBS, formerly a Fidonet based system, is now on Usenet and is
available 24 hours a day, 365 days a week, with a full newsfeed. The two
lines are 713-480-2686 (V32/V42/V42bis/HST) and 713-480-2685 (2400 MNP-5).
I am a long time CP/Mer, from waaay back in the 70s, and am planning on including a section of my favorite CPM programs. I will also continue to support MSBBS, the Fidonet BBS I wrote in Turbo Modula-2.
The old Kaypro bit the dust, and I have replaced it with a 486, SCO Open Desktop, and am really enjoying it. In fact, I would like to give my old CP/M systems a good home. If you want one, give me a call voice at 713-480-2684.
1 Televideo 816, 32 meg hard drive, up to 16 users, $250
1 Televideo 802, 2 floppies, 2 serial, 1 paralell, $100
1 Televideo RWP, *4* Z80's, each with 2 serial ports, perfect for a BBS! $200
2 broken Televideo 800s, no floppies (diskless), $25/each
If you buy allof the above, $500. Full docs and LOTS of software will be
included, along with LOTS of spare boards, chips, etc. The system currently
is set up for 5 terminals, the 802 and the RWP with 4. Just add more and
turn them on in the config file for up to a 16 user CP/M system!
I also have a SWP ATR8000, with 4 floppies (2 5 1/4" ds/dd, 2 8" ds/dd), also with full docs, tons of disks, et al, $300. If you want the COPOWER 88 ramdisk
(1 meg) which can also run CP/M 86 and MS/PCDOS (I have both for it), $200.
It is GREAT for exchanging from CP/M to DOS, as you can use the DOS2CPM, and
CPM2DOS and CPMDIR commands in DOS to move files around! Full 973K TPA in DOS!!due to the lack of screen memory!
Buy both the ATR and the Copower and I will throw in an Atari 800 and a
monitor (b/w) so for $500, you get a full system.
Call at 713-480-2684 voice for more info.
Marc
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Date: Mon, 21 Oct 91 09:57:54 -0300
From: U190@cs.cciw.ca
Subject: Reply to INFO-CPM Digest V91 #175
Message-ID: <5B0A15093701032E-MTACY830*U190@cs.cciw.ca>
I have some original systems disks for the C-128. Clem can contact me
directly.
my e-mail address is :on internet u044@cs.cciw.ca
on bitnet halfon@mcmaster
Dr. Efraim Halfon
543 Limerick Rd.
Burlington, Ontario
Canada L7L 2K5
Tel. 416-336-4917 (office with answering machine if I am not in)
Fax. 416-336-4972
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Date: Mon, 21 Oct 91 05:15:00 -0400
From: ac959@cleveland.Freenet.Edu
Subject: TeleVideo 800A
Message-ID: <9110210915.AA27432@cwns1.INS.CWRU.Edu>
Subject: the televideo
>I finally have repaired my televideo 800-a terminal,
>and the entire system is now up and running almost
>perfectly. Now I have a communications problem. Can
>any ted{evideo gurus out there tell me, do I need to
>use the system as a server, thru mmost{, in order to
>communicate? I have hooked my 2400 baud modem to both
>the rs232 port on the cpu AND the terminal, with the
>system set up as a straight cp/m system sans mmost,
>and it simply will not talk to the modem. Any ideas?
>ephillip@magnus.ircc.ohio-state.edu|
The TeleVideo 800A is a workstation, and as such you would have
to use the fileserver (which ever one you have) to load a
properly configured comm pgm to run a modem off of its RS-232
port. I think the 800A uses the TeleVideo 802 overlays for IMP
and MEX.
You should also be able to configure your 800A as a terminal
(dip switches), connect it to the terminal port on your
fileserver, and then run a modem off of the CPU's RS-232 port.
Of course the comm pgm. must be properly congigured here also.
###1
--
Ed Grey \*\ Sysop of The Grey Matter BBS & RCP/M 213-971-6260
P.O. Box #2186 \*\ Bitnet: ac959%cleveland.freenet.edu@cunyvm
Inglewood, CA 90305 \*\ Internet: ac959@cleveland.freenet.edu
USA \*\ v.: 213-759-7406 \*\ Fido: 1:102/752 \*\ GEnie: E.GREY1
------------------------------
End of INFO-CPM Digest V91 Issue #177
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Date: Thu, 24 Oct 91 00:24:26 MDT
From: INFO-CPM-REQUEST@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL
Reply-To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL
Subject: INFO-CPM Digest V91 #178
To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL
Message-ID: <911024002427.V91N178@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL>
INFO-CPM Digest Thu, 24 Oct 91 Volume 91 : Issue 178
Today's Topics:
Basic for CP/M
Re: HELP! MY COMPUTER IS DEAD!
Re: KAYPRO-10 DISC STUCK
Re: Media-Master (2 msgs)
Re: Re: general (Floppy Drives on the Xerox 820-II) (2 msgs)
Sayer's UP/M program
Where are the archives?
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Date: 20 Oct 91 16:25:46 GMT
From: cis.ohio-state.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!think.com!spool.mu.edu!hri.com!snorkelwacker.mit.edu!bu.edu!wang!news@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU
Subject: Basic for CP/M
Message-ID: <397@itexjct.UUCP>
Where can I find MBASIC or compatible for CP/M ?
Is there any ftp site else than simtel20 (and simtel20's mirrors and shadows)
which have cp/m files?
Joel Jacobsen
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Internet: jacobsen@vms.jct.ac.il (preferred)
jacobsen%sun@optics.jct.ac.il
Bitnet: jacobsen@iljct (not recomended)
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Date: 21 Oct 91 21:56:07 GMT
From: agate!spool.mu.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!unix.cis.pitt.edu!kwgst@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (Filip Gieszczykiewicz)
Subject: Re: HELP! MY COMPUTER IS DEAD!
Message-ID: <193172@unix.cis.pitt.edu>
In article <687653259.0@sfbhq.Fidonet.Org> Brice.Fleckenstein@f190.n231.z1.Fidonet.Org (Brice Fleckenstein) writes:
>For what it's worth, a Cap is FAR more likely to develop a heavy-duty short
>like you're seeing than a Diode or Resistor (Resistors almost ALWAYS increase
>in value when overloaded and tend to fail open, Diodes are far more likely to
>fail open as well).
> I'd check the Electrolytics FIRST - most likely point of failure....
Greetings. And while you have the soldering iron out, check all
the solid tantalum caps! I've seen everything from SCSI drives
to Heath 'scopes have shorted tantalums as the problem. I think
this is because people consider them to be infalible and Murphy's
law is always waiting for an occasion like this ;-)
Take care.
--
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
If reply bounces, try "kwgst@pittvms"... no? try "fmgst@unix.cis.pitt.edu"
Did you hear? Some Poles burned the Russian flag near the Soviet embassy,
in Poland. :-) :-) "Nothing is impossible if you don't have to do it yourself."
------------------------------
Date: 15 Oct 91 17:41:56 GMT
From: prometheus!media!ka3ovk!nstar!towers!mgcind!sfbhq!Fred_Mail@mimsy.umd.edu (Brice Fleckenstein)
Subject: Re: KAYPRO-10 DISC STUCK
Message-ID: <687568454.0@sfbhq.Fidonet.Org>
Depends on WHICH hard drive it is - Seagates don't like being upside down as
a general rule, Micropolis and Maxtors generally don't seem to care....
* Origin: Brice's Library TBBS - Indianapolis IN (317) 353-0410 (1:231/190)
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Date: 21 Oct 91 07:48:45 GMT
From: agate!usenet.ins.cwru.edu!magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!uwm.edu!ogicse!milton!sumax!polari!rwing!fnx!del@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (Dag Erik Lindberg)
Subject: Re: Media-Master
Message-ID: <1190@fnx.UUCP>
In article <9110171612.AA04750@icf.llnl.gov.llnl.gov> rzh@ICF.LLNL.GOV (R. Hanscom) writes:
>
>The folks at Sydex (creators of 22disk) told me that the FDC chip
>used in most PC's cannot read or write single density with sector
>size of 128b. Supposedly a flaw in the chip logic. I have no way
A quick look at the schematic of a PC FDC controller would tell you
that regardless of the chip's logic, correct or not, the PC FDC
controller can't read or write single density anyway, since there is
no logic to change clock frequencies or modulation.
--
del AKA Erik Lindberg uunet!pilchuck!fnx!del
Who is John Galt?
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Date: 21 Oct 91 13:01:13 GMT
From: agate!spool.mu.edu!samsung!noose.ecn.purdue.edu!mentor.cc.purdue.edu!gauss.math.purdue.edu!wilker@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (Clarence Wilkerson)
Subject: Re: Media-Master
Message-ID: <22782@mentor.cc.purdue.edu>
The documentation for 22DISK describes an eay hardware modification
to standard PC floppy controller boards to enable single density
READING. It uses un-used extra logic gates on the board to detect
MFS/FM off the previously unconnected pin on the 765 chip.
I've tried the mod. It worked to read Heath SD softsectored
disks.
The documentation mentions that WRITING would require
timing compensation which is not accomplished by the easy mod.
I have not tried any 8" drives on the PC.
Clarence Wilkerson
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Date: 21 Oct 91 07:40:41 GMT
From: ogicse!milton!sumax!polari!rwing!fnx!del@uunet.uu.net (Dag Erik Lindberg)
Subject: Re: Re: general (Floppy Drives on the Xerox 820-II)
Message-ID: <1189@fnx.UUCP>
Sorry, Ian, but I just gotta disagree with you on a few of the points
that you are so vocally "correct" about.
In article <Niqu02w164w@ijpc.UUCP> ianj@ijpc.UUCP (Ian Justman) writes:
>ritchie@hpdmd48.boi.hp.com (David Ritchie) writes:
>
>> I think that these are probably hard sector drives, so the answer is
>> 'no'.
>
>Wrong, pal. There's no such thing as a "hard-sectored drive" in
>the 5 1/4" world. Besides, ALL FM and MFM soft-secotred setups
>have and use the said emitter-dectector pair. Even the IBM PCs
True, all drives use the emitter-detector pair. Wrong, there is
such a thing as a "hard-sectored drive" in the 5 1/4" world.
>use them. That's how the hardware finds sector 1 on each track.
>In the world of soft-sectors, it's called the "index detector";
>in hard sectors, it demarcates each sector and says where the
>track starts/ends.
Exactly, and that is the difference. For the "hard-sectored drive"
the drive had on-board logic to determine where the start of the track
was, and provided *TWO* index outputs on the interface connector.
One index output indicated the sector pulses, one indicated start of
track. This is not to say that most standard drives won't work with
hard sectored disks, given the right controller. BUT, I have seen
drives that tested "ready" by looking for index timing, that wouldn't
ever come "ready" if you used a hard sectored diskette in them.
>BTW, there's no such thing an an "IBM PC floppy drive". There
>ain't no such thing. The interface is exactly the same as if you
>had taken your disk drive from your Kaypro and plugged it into
>your PC.
While it is true that the interface for an "IBM PC floppy drive" is
exactly the same as other 5 1/4" drives (assuming DSDD), there is one
significant difference. Many of the lower cost floppy drives manufactured
now have no jumpers to configure device select, motor control, etc.
In other words, it will work only if it is OK with you that all drives
are selected with DS1 and are configured for "select with MOTOR ON".
These I would certainly call "IBM PC floppy drives", since if I was
designing a system, or using it in an old Kaypro, those are not the
interface configuration options I would select. Then there is the
matter of the 5.25" HD floppies, which DON'T have "exactly" the same
interface as a Kaypro, and nobody had ever heard of them before they
appeared on the IBM AT. I would argue that those would also be called
"IBM PC floppy drives".
--
del AKA Erik Lindberg uunet!pilchuck!fnx!del
Who is John Galt?
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Date: 21 Oct 91 14:15:16 GMT
From: ecsgate!stat.appstate.edu!pembvax1.pembroke.edu!duck@mcnc.org
Subject: Re: Re: general (Floppy Drives on the Xerox 820-II)
Message-ID: <1991Oct21.101516.4130@pembvax1.pembroke.edu>
In article <Niqu02w164w@ijpc.UUCP>, ianj@ijpc.UUCP (Ian Justman) writes:
> The only soft-sectored drives that don't use the index/sector
> hole that I know of are Apple II, Commodore, and Atari.
Minor Point:
Actually, C= does use the index/sector hole when performing the initial
format. After that it uses some bytes that indicate the start and end of each
sector.
- Craig Taylor
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Date: Wed, 23 Oct 91 20:09:44 EST
From: wilker@hopf.math.purdue.edu (Clarence Wilkerson)
Subject: Sayer's UP/M program
Message-ID: <9110240109.AA07410@hopf.math.purdue.edu>
I'm trying to get this running. It compiles fine, but I must not have the
files from CP/M set up properly. Examination of the code in upm.c didn't
show any initialization of the fake Z80 memory, setting of jump tables or
similar activity. Does anyone have this running enough to give me a few
hints?
Clarence Wilkerson
For a whiff of nostalgia, rlogin as "cpm" to hopf.math.purdue.edu.
It's CP/M on the internet.
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Date: Tue, 22 Oct 91 10:25 CDT
From: THINGVOL@LAX.WISC.EDU
Subject: Where are the archives?
Message-ID: <21102210252873@lax.wisc.edu>
Where are the archives (back issues) of INFO-CPM Digest located?
Daniel Thingvold thingvol@lax.wisc.edu
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Date: Fri, 25 Oct 91 06:15:17 MDT
From: INFO-CPM-REQUEST@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL
Reply-To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL
Subject: INFO-CPM Digest V91 #179
To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL
Message-ID: <911025061518.V91N179@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL>
INFO-CPM Digest Fri, 25 Oct 91 Volume 91 : Issue 179
Today's Topics:
HELP! MY COMPUTER IS DEAD!
Mycroft Labs
Re: Dave Rose, or anyone with QTERM on a TRS 80
Re: general (Floppy Drives on the Xerox 820-II)
Re: Media-Master
Re: Xerox something-or-other help?
Xerox something-or-other help?
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Date: 16 Oct 91 15:46:53 GMT
From: csus.edu!wupost!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!rphroy!cfctech!teemc!ka3ovk!nstar!towers!mgcind!sfbhq!Fred_Mail@ucdavis.ucdavis.edu (Brice Fleckenstein)
Subject: HELP! MY COMPUTER IS DEAD!
Message-ID: <687653259.0@sfbhq.Fidonet.Org>
For what it's worth, a Cap is FAR more likely to develop a heavy-duty short
like you're seeing than a Diode or Resistor (Resistors almost ALWAYS increase
in value when overloaded and tend to fail open, Diodes are far more likely to
fail open as well).
I'd check the Electrolytics FIRST - most likely point of failure....
* Origin: Brice's Library TBBS - Indianapolis IN (317) 353-0410 (1:231/190)
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Date: 22 Oct 91 14:04:29 GMT
From: pyrnj!pyrite!bill@rutgers.edu (Bill Pechter)
Subject: Mycroft Labs
Message-ID: <123@pyrite.nj.pyramid.com>
Anyone know if Mycroft Labs is still in business. I purchased a thing
called compat from them years ago for my Zorba and I think I'd like to
get it for my KayproII now.
Bill
--
-m------- Bill Pechter | The postmaster always pings twice.
---mmm----- Pyramid Technology | bill@pyrite.nj.pyramid.com
-----mmmmm--- 10 Woodbridge Center Drive | pyramid!pyrite!bill
-------mmmmmmm- Woodbridge, NJ. 07095 |Tel:908-602-6308 Fax:908-750-3908
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Date: 21 Oct 91 23:44:24 GMT
From: iWarp.intel.com|ichips!intelhf!jmaster@uunet.uu.net (Justin Masters)
Subject: Re: Dave Rose, or anyone with QTERM on a TRS 80
Message-ID: <1991Oct21.234424.11497@intelhf.hf.intel.com>
In article <XX00012dc9@pallio.UUCP> dg@pallio.UUCP (David Goodenough) writes:
>This is a general call for anyone who is running QTERM on a TRS-80
>Model 4, and for Dave Rose if you're listening in.
>
>I've been working with someone on GEnie, and the standard TRS-80
>patch doesn't work - it simply locks up his system.
Dave, you helped me on my system awhile back, and as I am a novice with my
system, you did most everything for me. It works, although it doesn't seem to
handle all the vt100 codes very well, and that's probably due to the notorious
2 character drop (time taken for 'new line' redraw to take place - on a 2400
baud modem). Let me know what you need, and hopefully I can help you back.
I'm just up the street from you now, in Sacramento, so calling won't be a
problem like last time.
jmasters@fws136.intel.com
>
>Any takers?
>--
> dg@pallio.UUCP - David Goodenough +---+
> IHS | +-+-+
> .....!wet!pallio!dg +-+-+ |
>AKA: dg%pallio.UUCP@cs.sfsu.edu +---+
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Date: Thu, 24 Oct 1991 06:45:03 -0700
From: Sprague.Wbst311@xerox.com
Subject: Re: general (Floppy Drives on the Xerox 820-II)
Message-ID: <"24-Oct-91 9:45:03 EDT".*.Michael_D._Sprague.wbst311@Xerox.com>
And I have to disagree with some of Erik Lindbergs comments. :-)
> I have seen drives that tested "ready" by looking for index timing,
> that wouldn't ever come "ready" if you used a hard sectored diskette
> in them.
The drives or BIOS? It's true that what you said is *PART* of how the 8" and
5.25" High Density drives test for drive ready (assuming that the 5.25" HD
drives even has the Drive Ready option), but note that most 5.25" do not even
HAVE the signal (I have never seen one that does). However, a BIOS that tests
for the drive being ready be testing the index hole timing is the BEST type of
BIOS for substituting 5.25" HD drives for 8" drives!!! :-)
> Many of the lower cost floppy drives manufactured now have no
> jumpers to configure device select, motor control, etc. In other
> words, it will work only if it is OK with you that all drives are
> selected with DS1 and are configured for "select with MOTOR ON".
Hmmm, I have seen this trend in 5.25" High Density floppy drives, but not on
the typical "360K" drive. On High Density drives there are usually two jumpers
to select DS0 and DS1, instead of four jumpers. I have never seen one with no
jumpers, though that does not mean they don't exist. In addition, your correct
in saying there is usually no way to configure MOTOR ON to work with Drive
Select.
I have yet to see a "low density" drive with less than four drive selector
jumpers (does not mean they don't exist though). In addition, there is
*usually* a way to configure MOTOR ON to be driven by DRIVE SELECT, though you
might have to look for it. I have a pair of Chinon "low density" drives (you
wanna talk about cheap drives), and by following the MOTOR ON trace, I quickly
found where I needed to solder a jumper between two pads to tie MOTOR ON to
DRIVE SELECT. While these drives did not provide jumper pins, the ability was
still there.
In any case, many non-PC 5.25" controllers already have a MOTOR ON signal,
unless the controller is meant to drive both 5.25" and 8" drives. Even then
though, it still might have a MOTOR ON signal.
> Then there is the matter of the 5.25" HD floppies, which DON'T have
> "exactly" the same interface as a Kaypro,
The interface differences are so little that they should not matter, unless the
Kaypro did something *VERY* non-standard. The signal pins that the Kaypro
should actually be using are pin-for-pin identical! There are different
reasons that the HD drives do not "plug-n-play", but it's not because of the
hardware signal interface.
BTW: The differences on the HD drives are pin 2, SPEED SELECT, and Pin 34 DRIVE
READY/DISK CHANGE. There are "no connection" pins on the "low density" drives.
> and nobody had ever heard of them before
> they appeared on the IBM AT.
Again, not true! They had been around for several years before the IBM AT used
them. It's just that they were never POPULAR (read inexpensive) until the AT
used them. They were developed to replace the 8" drive, but by the time they
got to market, the 8" drive was already dead, and everyone was using the 5.25"
"mini-floppy" drives.
> I would argue that those [High Density Drives] would also be
> called "IBM PC floppy drives".
Feel free, but I am not sure why you would want to. I have a pair of them
running on a Xerox 820-II. Fuji Xerox used them in their workstations (which,
by the way, are older than the IBM AT), and I have seen them in other non-PC
computers. Personally, I would NEVER call a floppy drive an "IBM PC floppy
drive" unless it ONLY worked in a PC and nothing else. :-) I know of no
drives like that.
~ Mike (Sprague.Wbst311@Xerox.Com)
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Date: 20 Oct 91 08:32:18 GMT
From: bobsbox!gnat!cmcewen@rutgers.edu (Chris McEwen)
Subject: Re: Media-Master
Message-ID: <JkX401w164w@gnat.rent.com>
rzh@ICF.LLNL.GOV (R. Hanscom) writes:
> The folks at Sydex (creators of 22disk) told me that the FDC chip
> used in most PC's cannot read or write single density with sector
> size of 128b. Supposedly a flaw in the chip logic. I have no way
> to verify this, and just pass it along as a potential topic of
> discussion.
That information is correct and is generally the cause when one cannot
use a floppy formatted on a PC using one of the common tools (Uniform-PC,
22DISK, Media Master, etc). There are two solutions. Get a floppy
controller for the PC that can write single density or format on a native
machine.
It should be noted that many CP/M formats will format the first track in
single density and the rest in double. The Xerox 820 series all did this.
Uniform-PC handles this format very well once the disk is formatted in a
machine that can write that first track.
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Date: 22 Oct 91 17:00:11 GMT
From: mentor.cc.purdue.edu!hopf.math.purdue.edu!wilker@purdue.edu (Clarence Wilkerson)
Subject: Re: Xerox something-or-other help?
Message-ID: <22966@mentor.cc.purdue.edu>
My experience is that if the parameters of the hard disk of the
replace drive exceed those of the unusable drive in terms of number
of heads and cylinders, then it should work, although at the lower
capacity. I imagine that the typical old 10 meg drive from XT's with
320 cylinders and 4 heads would work. Clarence Wilkerson
.
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Date: 20 Oct 91 19:43:35 GMT
From: dog.ee.lbl.gov!csam.lbl.gov!agate!usenet.ins.cwru.edu!magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!think.com!mips!news.cs.indiana.edu!lynx!triton.unm.edu!techs@ucbvax.Berkeley. (Erik Fichtner)
Subject: Xerox something-or-other help?
Message-ID: <nv#d+kc@lynx.unm.edu>
i've come across this machine made by Xerox. it's got a Terminal module that's
got the CPU inside it.. it's a Z80A machine. connections on the back go to
Comm, Printer, Keyboard, and Disk Drives.
the disk drive module, is unfortunatly shot. (more specifically, the Shugart 1004
hard disk is shot.. it's been blowing up fuses and power supplies left and right.
needless to say, i've trashed it) the floppy still works. anyways..
the CPU module/Terminal thingy has Xerox v5.00 (c) 1983 rom monitor.
I've managed to figure out most of the commands.. like assemble, insert, dump
save, load, etc. it's also got a command H)ost Terminal. this thing would
make a very nice little terminal if only i could change baud rates.. it's stuck
at 300 bps.
Could someone please tell me
a) How to change the baud rate on this thing.
b) the commands for the rom monitor
c) wether or not i should bother finding the OS for this thing?
Thanks in advance
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INFO-CPM Digest Fri, 25 Oct 91 Volume 91 : Issue 180
Today's Topics:
Re: Re: general (Floppy Drives on the Xerox 820-II)
Re: Xerox something-or-other help? (4 msgs)
replacement kaypro disk drives
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Date: 22 Oct 91 18:58:15 GMT
From: micro-heart-of-gold.mit.edu!wupost!spool.mu.edu!caen!uflorida!reef.cis.ufl.edu!bhm@bloom-beacon.mit.edu (Bruce McIntosh)
Subject: Re: Re: general (Floppy Drives on the Xerox 820-II)
Message-ID: <32177@uflorida.cis.ufl.EDU>
I would say that there is, indeed, no such thing as a "hard sectored **drive**".
What was hard-sectored or soft-sectored was the **disk**, not the drive. For a
long time I used 5-1/4" dsdd drives with the "hard sectored" controller in my
Heathkit, then moved those drives to a PC clone.
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Date: 21 Oct 91 12:51:13 GMT
From: bobsbox!gnat!cmcewen@rutgers.edu (Chris McEwen)
Subject: Re: Xerox something-or-other help?
Message-ID: <384601w164w@gnat.rent.com>
techs@triton.unm.edu (Erik Fichtner) writes:
> i've come across this machine made by Xerox. it's got a Terminal module that
> got the CPU inside it.. it's a Z80A machine. connections on the back go to
> Comm, Printer, Keyboard, and Disk Drives.
>
> the disk drive module, is unfortunatly shot. (more specifically, the Shugart
> hard disk is shot.. it's been blowing up fuses and power supplies left and ri
> needless to say, i've trashed it) the floppy still works. anyways..
>
> the CPU module/Terminal thingy has Xerox v5.00 (c) 1983 rom monitor.
> I've managed to figure out most of the commands.. like assemble, insert, dump
> save, load, etc. it's also got a command H)ost Terminal. this thing wou
> make a very nice little terminal if only i could change baud rates.. it's stu
> at 300 bps.
What you describe is a Xerox DEM-II. It is based on the Xerox 820-II,
with the motherboard in the bottom of the terminal cabinet and an
external drive cabinet about the size and shape of a PC, which holds a
floppy and a hard drive. The parameters for the hard drive are set in the
ROM bios (tracks, heads, etc.) so you will need to replace the Shugart
100-4 with a similar model. Once up and running, it makes a nice little
10MB CP/M box.
The Xerox CP/M line was based on the Ferguson Big Board, as was the
Kaypro. Good lineage. The video attributes between the Xerox and the
Kaypro are different, but port assignments and other machine-specific
things are the same. A terminal program configured for the Kaypro will
work out of the box on the Xerox.
Is it worth your while to get the OS for this box? I would say so. At one
time, these units were hot tickets. You might ask Lee Bradley who runs
his bbs on a DEM-II if he will give you a boot disk. Lee's board can be
reached at (203) 665-1100.
The command to switch the terminal to a higher baud rate:
At the opening prompt (before hitting H for Host Terminal),
enter Bn where n equals the baud rate desired.
5 = 300 baud
7 = 1200 baud E = 9600 baud
A = 2400 baud F =19200 baud
Then hit H to enter the host terminal.
_______________________________________________________________________
Chris McEwen Internet: cmcewen@gnat.rent.com | The Computer Journal
Editor, TCJ uucp: ..!att!nsscmail!gnat!cmcewen | PO Box 12
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Date: Fri, 25 Oct 1991 08:26:44 -0700
From: Sprague.Wbst311@xerox.com
Subject: Re: Xerox something-or-other help?
Message-ID: <"25-Oct-91 11:26:44 EDT".*.Michael_D._Sprague.wbst311@Xerox.com>
I could not figure out a return address for this message, and thus am sending
it to the whole group. I think the original message was written by Erik
Fichtner?
What you have is a Xerox 820-II. 5.00 ROM was the last version of ROM for this
computer, and supports the Disk Expansion Module (DEM) which is not what you
have. :-)
Send me a mail note, and I'll give your more information on the beast. If
you'll pay shipping, I'll send you some documentation for the computer,
including the monitor ROM documentation which explains how to do things like
change the BAUD rate, etc.
~ Mike (Sprague.Wbst311@Xerox.Com)
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Date: 22 Oct 91 18:24:24 GMT
From: agate!spool.mu.edu!mips!nec-gw!netkeeper!vivaldi!necssd!floden@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (Fred Loden)
Subject: Re: Xerox something-or-other help?
Message-ID: <1991Oct22.182424.16341@ssd.dl.nec.com>
In article <384601w164w@gnat.rent.com> cmcewen@gnat.rent.com (Chris McEwen) writes:
>techs@triton.unm.edu (Erik Fichtner) writes:
>> i've come across this machine made by Xerox. it's got a Terminal module that
>> got the CPU inside it.. it's a Z80A machine. connections on the back go to
>> Comm, Printer, Keyboard, and Disk Drives.
>>
>> the disk drive module, is unfortunatly shot. (more specifically, the Shugart
>> hard disk is shot.. it's been blowing up fuses and power supplies left and ri
>> needless to say, i've trashed it) the floppy still works. anyways..
>>
Text Deleted
>
>What you describe is a Xerox DEM-II. It is based on the Xerox 820-II,
>with the motherboard in the bottom of the terminal cabinet and an
>external drive cabinet about the size and shape of a PC, which holds a
>floppy and a hard drive. The parameters for the hard drive are set in the
>ROM bios (tracks, heads, etc.) so you will need to replace the Shugart
>100-4 with a similar model. Once up and running, it makes a nice little
>10MB CP/M box.
>
Text deleted
>_______________________________________________________________________
>Chris McEwen Internet: cmcewen@gnat.rent.com | The Computer Journal
>Editor, TCJ uucp: ..!att!nsscmail!gnat!cmcewen | PO Box 12
> GEnie: c.mcewen -or- TCJ$ | S Plainfield NJ 07080
>The Spirit of the Individual Made This Industry | (908) 755-6186
I believe Chris is incorrect in the statement made above. What you have is
a hard/floppy disk system. The floppy is probably a Shugart 851 8" double
sided double density drive but it could be a Shugart 801 8" single sided
double density drive. The hard drive is (was) a Shugart 1004. The 1004 is
an 8" 10 megabyte drive that requires a DTC controller board. If you had a
dual 8" floppy assembly you could plug it into the back of the floppy/hard
drive assembly and have a total 3 floppies and 1 hard drive.
If interested, I have 2 or 3 1004s to sell. I would like to get $50.00 plus
shipping each.
----
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floden@ssd.dl.nec.com 1525 Walnut Hill Lane, Irving, Texas 75062
necssd!floden@cs.utexas.edu standard disclaimers apply...
--
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floden@ssd.dl.nec.com 1525 Walnut Hill Lane, Irving, Texas 75062
necssd!floden@cs.utexas.edu standard disclaimers apply...
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Date: 22 Oct 91 18:24:24 GMT
From: csus.edu!wupost!sdd.hp.com!mips!nec-gw!netkeeper!vivaldi!necssd!floden@ucdavis.ucdavis.edu (Fred Loden)
Subject: Re: Xerox something-or-other help?
Message-ID: <1991Oct22.182424.16341@ssd.dl.nec.com>
In article <384601w164w@gnat.rent.com> cmcewen@gnat.rent.com (Chris McEwen) writes:
>techs@triton.unm.edu (Erik Fichtner) writes:
>> i've come across this machine made by Xerox. it's got a Terminal module that
>> got the CPU inside it.. it's a Z80A machine. connections on the back go to
>> Comm, Printer, Keyboard, and Disk Drives.
>>
>> the disk drive module, is unfortunatly shot. (more specifically, the Shugart
>> hard disk is shot.. it's been blowing up fuses and power supplies left and ri
>> needless to say, i've trashed it) the floppy still works. anyways..
>>
Text Deleted
>
>What you describe is a Xerox DEM-II. It is based on the Xerox 820-II,
>with the motherboard in the bottom of the terminal cabinet and an
>external drive cabinet about the size and shape of a PC, which holds a
>floppy and a hard drive. The parameters for the hard drive are set in the
>ROM bios (tracks, heads, etc.) so you will need to replace the Shugart
>100-4 with a similar model. Once up and running, it makes a nice little
>10MB CP/M box.
>
Text deleted
>_______________________________________________________________________
>Chris McEwen Internet: cmcewen@gnat.rent.com | The Computer Journal
>Editor, TCJ uucp: ..!att!nsscmail!gnat!cmcewen | PO Box 12
> GEnie: c.mcewen -or- TCJ$ | S Plainfield NJ 07080
>The Spirit of the Individual Made This Industry | (908) 755-6186
I believe Chris is incorrect in the statement made above. What you have is
a hard/floppy disk system. The floppy is probably a Shugart 851 8" double
sided double density drive but it could be a Shugart 801 8" single sided
double density drive. The hard drive is (was) a Shugart 1004. The 1004 is
an 8" 10 megabyte drive that requires a DTC controller board. If you had a
dual 8" floppy assembly you could plug it into the back of the floppy/hard
drive assembly and have a total 3 floppies and 1 hard drive.
If interested, I have 2 or 3 1004s to sell. I would like to get $50.00 plus
shipping each.
----
Frederic J. Loden NEC America, Inc. (SSD) phone:(214)-518-4160
floden@ssd.dl.nec.com 1525 Walnut Hill Lane, Irving, Texas 75062
necssd!floden@cs.utexas.edu standard disclaimers apply...
--
Frederic J. Loden NEC America, Inc. (SSD) phone:(214)-518-4160
floden@ssd.dl.nec.com 1525 Walnut Hill Lane, Irving, Texas 75062
necssd!floden@cs.utexas.edu standard disclaimers apply...
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Date: 22 Oct 91 19:47:24 GMT
From: dog.ee.lbl.gov!pasteur!agate!spool.mu.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!caen!malgudi.oar.net!sunc.osc.edu!cis.ohio-state.edu!magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu!paperboy.micro.umn.edu!cs.umn.edu!ux.acs (Philip Arny)
Subject: replacement kaypro disk drives
Message-ID: <5061@ux.acs.umn.edu>
I've got a Kaypro 4 here with problematic disk drives. If I decided
that the easiest way to fix it would be to replace the disk drives,
what sort of drives would be necessary? Are appropriate drives still
available? Make/model/configuation information would be wonderful.
thanks!
Philip Arny
lrccon@ux.acs.umn.edu
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INFO-CPM Digest Sat, 26 Oct 91 Volume 91 : Issue 181
Today's Topics:
Adding a hard disk
OH NO! My xerox has developed problems!
Re: HELP! MY COMPUTER IS DEAD!
Re: Re: general (Floppy Drives on the Xerox 820-II)
Re: replacement kaypro disk drives
Re: Sayer's UP/M program
Re: Xerox something-or-other help?
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Date: Sat, 26 Oct 91 17:27:37 MEZ
From: Uwe Nass <UNF315@ibm.rhrz.uni-bonn.de>
Subject: Adding a hard disk
Hello all,
I own a CP/M computer (of course), you may never heard of. It was built
in Japan and sold in Germany by a firm called Triumph Adler. It was
named "alphatronic PC" here and "Royal alphatronic" in the UK. It was
never intended to add a hard disk to this machine. But I would like
to upgrade my system from CP/M 2.2 to ZCPR 3.3 and adding a hard disk
too, would be nice. Some month ago, I read a notice mentioning that
there exists a kind of SCSI card for systems like mine. They claim,
that one needs only to remove the Z80 chip, then plug in that board and
then put in the Z80 chip in that board. Do somebody know where I can
order such a board, preferably with an appropriate hard disk and
the software? I have the BIOS for my system, so to add software is not
the problem.
Thanks a lot and best regards
Uwe
Dr. Uwe Nass
Inst. f. Astrophysik
Universitaet Bonn
5300 Bonn 1
Germany
PS. Please contact me via e-mail: UNF315@DBNRHRZ1.BITNET
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Date: 23 Oct 91 02:56:06 GMT
From: csus.edu!wupost!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu!ephillip%magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu@ucdavis.ucdavis.edu (Earl W Phillips)
Subject: OH NO! My xerox has developed problems!
Message-ID: <CMM.0.90.2.688186566.ephillip@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>
Help! My favorite machine, the xerox 820-II, is developing
boot difficulties. When I fire it up, ans type the "le"
command, it returns "load error", and I must retype the
command before it finally takes off, sometimes dozens
of times! I sometimes have to cycle the power, too. Can
anyone tell me what may be the problem, and the fix? Is
it (hopefully) just getting dirty in the harddrive, and
a good shot from a pressurizd aircan may take care of it?
Please help! This is my baby!
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Date: 23 Oct 91 06:04:58 GMT
From: csus.edu!csusac!sactoh0!ijpc!ianj@ucdavis.ucdavis.edu (Ian Justman)
Subject: Re: HELP! MY COMPUTER IS DEAD!
Message-ID: <Zqa002w164w@ijpc.UUCP>
kwgst@unix.cis.pitt.edu (Filip Gieszczykiewicz) writes:
> Greetings. And while you have the soldering iron out, check all
> the solid tantalum caps! I've seen everything from SCSI drives
> to Heath 'scopes have shorted tantalums as the problem. I think
> this is because people consider them to be infalible and Murphy's
> law is always waiting for an occasion like this ;-)
>
> Take care.
Sounds akin to a modified saying, "a $5,000 computer will protect
a $0.10 fuse by blowing first", right? This is mainly if you're
either reading heavy current draw, or if worse comes to worse,
your switching supply crowbars. I've worked on an XT motherboard
where the power supply was crowbaring due to the fact that a
capacitor, and interestingly enough, a tanty, was shorted out.
All supplies went dead the instant the supply was fired up.
Ian Justman | ...!{ames|apple|sun}!pacbell_
6612 Whitsett Drive | ...!ucbvax!ucdavis!csusac____|-!sactoh0!ijpc!ianj
North Highlands, CA 95660| "Great. The Garden of Eden with land mines."
(916) 344-5360 | --Captain James T. Kirk, "The Apple"
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Date: 23 Oct 91 05:54:57 GMT
From: csus.edu!csusac!sactoh0!ijpc!ianj@ucdavis.ucdavis.edu (Ian Justman)
Subject: Re: Re: general (Floppy Drives on the Xerox 820-II)
Message-ID: <aaa001w164w@ijpc.UUCP>
duck@pembvax1.pembroke.edu writes:
> In article <Niqu02w164w@ijpc.UUCP>, ianj@ijpc.UUCP (Ian Justman) writes:
>
> > The only soft-sectored drives that don't use the index/sector
> > hole that I know of are Apple II, Commodore, and Atari.
>
> Minor Point:
> Actually, C= does use the index/sector hole when performing the initial
> format. After that it uses some bytes that indicate the start and end of eac
> sector.
OK, I didn't now that. I blithely assumed that the Commodore
didn't use the index holes.
My apologies to the person I said my original comments to. I had
forgotten about the drives like the Micropolises (or was that
Micropoles? :-) ). Anyway, I have little, if not no, experience
with hard-sectored systems, even though I own part of one (an old
North Star). But with the Apple, I know for absolute sure that
all the sectoring, in fact, every bit of the formatting including
how to deal with the stepper motor, including finding sector zero
is done entirely in software, in Apple's infinite wisdom to make
everything as proprietary as humanly possible. I know that well
because I own several, and I have CP/M for it in several forms.
Ian Justman | ...!{ames|apple|sun}!pacbell_
6612 Whitsett Drive | ...!ucbvax!ucdavis!csusac____|-!sactoh0!ijpc!ianj
North Highlands, CA 95660| "Great. The Garden of Eden with land mines."
(916) 344-5360 | --Captain James T. Kirk, "The Apple"
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Date: 23 Oct 91 12:15:59 GMT
From: pyrnj!pyrite!bill@rutgers.edu (Bill Pechter)
Subject: Re: replacement kaypro disk drives
Message-ID: <141@pyrite.nj.pyramid.com>
In article <5061@ux.acs.umn.edu> lrccon@ux.acs.umn.edu (Philip Arny) writes:
>I've got a Kaypro 4 here with problematic disk drives. If I decided
>that the easiest way to fix it would be to replace the disk drives,
>what sort of drives would be necessary? Are appropriate drives still
>available? Make/model/configuation information would be wonderful.
>thanks!
>
>Philip Arny
>lrccon@ux.acs.umn.edu
Any Double sided Double density (i.e. PC 360k) disks will work fine.
A pair of half height Teacs will fit in one slot and you could cover over
the second one.
Bill
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Date: 26 Oct 91 19:38:49 GMT
From: mips!quack!mrapple@decwrl.dec.com (Nick Sayer)
Subject: Re: Sayer's UP/M program
Message-ID: <k8yiY1G@quack.sac.ca.us>
wilker@HOPF.MATH.PURDUE.EDU (Clarence Wilkerson) writes:
>I'm trying to get this running. It compiles fine, but I must not have the
>files from CP/M set up properly. Examination of the code in upm.c didn't
>show any initialization of the fake Z80 memory, setting of jump tables or
>similar activity. Does anyone have this running enough to give me a few
>hints?
Woah. Brings back memories. That thing was such a performance pig I just
chucked it. Took 2 minutes to do a 'DIR' on an empty disk on a Sun 3/160.
The emulator itself is just that - an emulator. If I remember right,
upm loaded in a .HEX file, relocated it to the top of memory (after
figuring out how much to leave for BIOS and buffers), and jumped to
$8000.
The relocator assumed the code was loaded in at 0, with all the jumps
set to run at location 0. The relocation bitmap started at $4000, and
a length byte was at $FFFF, which was the number of pages in the
relocated chunk. The bitmap was one bit per byte of relocated code.
If the bit was 1, then an offset was applied to the byte as it was
copied into place, otherwise the byte was copied verbatim.
The BIOS jump table was 76 C9 00 76 C9 00.... That is, a
bunch of HALTs, then RETs. The idea was that a HALT caused the emulator
to return to the C program that called it, which then examined
(PC%64)/3 to see which BIOS call it was. It then performed the desired
BIOS function (in C), incremented PC, and jumped back into the emulator.
The rest of CP/M (BDOS, CCP) was Z-80. That way, someone
could have made ZCPR for it if they wanted. I couldn't distribute
BDOS/CCP since they're still subject to Digital Research's copyright.
Which is a shame, since DR no longer distributes CP/M. IMHO if
they're not going to sell it, they ought to give it to someone
who will, or make it PD. But that's another story.
--
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mrapple@quack.sac.ca.us | only be done by trained, professional idiots."
N6QQQ @ K3MC |
+1 408 249 9630 (modem) | -- Plucky Duck
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Date: 22 Oct 91 22:27:58 GMT
From: mentor.cc.purdue.edu!hopf.math.purdue.edu!wilker@purdue.edu (Clarence Wilkerson)
Subject: Re: Xerox something-or-other help?
Message-ID: <23034@mentor.cc.purdue.edu>
If this is indeed the DTC controller, you might consider getting a
DTC 510 or similar to replace it. The hardware interface is the same,
judging from what was used in the Heath-Zenith H89 H67 interface.
The DTC510 runs std. 5.25 inch hard drives. The DTC520 has a built-in
floppy controller for 5.25" drives. Weird Warehouse used to sell these
pretty cheaply.
Clarence Wilkerson
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INFO-CPM Digest Sun, 27 Oct 91 Volume 91 : Issue 182
Today's Topics:
Re: HELP! MY COMPUTER IS DEAD!
Re: Help on cp/m dianostic
Re: Mycroft Labs
Re: OH NO! My xerox has developed problems!
Re: Re: general (Floppy Drives on the Xerox 820-II)
Re: replacement kaypro disk drives
Re: Sayer's UP/M program (2 msgs)
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Date: 23 Oct 91 17:44:26 GMT
From: ogicse!milton!sumax!polari!rwing!fnx!del@ucsd.edu (Dag Erik Lindberg)
Subject: Re: HELP! MY COMPUTER IS DEAD!
Message-ID: <1213@fnx.UUCP>
In article <687653259.0@sfbhq.Fidonet.Org> Brice.Fleckenstein@f190.n231.z1.Fidonet.Org (Brice Fleckenstein) writes:
>in value when overloaded and tend to fail open, Diodes are far more likely to
>fail open as well).
Depends on the cause of failure of the diode. If it fails because of an
overvoltage condition, it will likely fail open. If the cause of failure
is excess current, it will almost always fail *shorted*.
--
del AKA Erik Lindberg uunet!pilchuck!fnx!del
Who is John Galt?
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Date: 24 Oct 91 14:47:45 GMT
From: snorkelwacker.mit.edu!spool.mu.edu!think.com!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!hobbes.physics.uiowa.edu!iowasp.physics.uiowa.edu!syswtr@bloom-beacon.mit.edu
Subject: Re: Help on cp/m dianostic
Message-ID: <1991Oct24.094745.1@iowasp.physics.uiowa.edu>
In article <1991Oct23.153634.1@acad2.alaska.edu>, axmap@acad2.alaska.edu writes:
>
> The program should then test the memory between those two addresses. To test
> the memory the program should write to the location, read the value back from
> the location and compare the two values to test for an error. The program must
> test each location with the following 4 values: ffh, 00h, aah and 55h.
>
Simple sequential testing will fail miserably on simple things like
shorted/open address lines (like bad sockets, or solder bridges...)
Willy
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Date: 23 Oct 91 17:25:13 GMT
From: baron!baron!pnet07!donm@nosc.mil (Don Maslin)
Subject: Re: Mycroft Labs
Message-ID: <1991Oct23.172513.19223@baron.uucp>
My understanding is that they are out of business, which means that you will
probably have to go with MicroSolutions' UniForm which is still available.
Try
EMERALD MICROWARE
P.O. Box 1726
Beaverton OR 97075
503/641-0347/8088 Brian/Patricia
- don
Keeper of the CP/M System Disk | UUCP: {nosc ucsd crash ncr-sd}!pnet07!donm
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Date: 23 Oct 91 17:25:15 GMT
From: baron!baron!pnet07!donm@nosc.mil (Don Maslin)
Subject: Re: OH NO! My xerox has developed problems!
Message-ID: <1991Oct23.172515.19244@baron.uucp>
Suggest that you do a complete backup to floppy disk first. Then reinstall
the boot track and see if that helps. If not, you should consider
reformatting the drive and reinstalling boot track and files. If that
doesn't do it, there is a possibility that the controller has drifted out
of spec. I haven't got an answer for that one!
- don
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Date: 23 Oct 91 17:25:13 GMT
From: baron!baron!pnet07!donm@nosc.mil (Don Maslin)
Subject: Re: Re: general (Floppy Drives on the Xerox 820-II)
Message-ID: <1991Oct23.172513.19238@baron.uucp>
Can't speak to 5.25" hard-sector drives of my own knowledge. However, with
the old Shugart 801/851 drives, you had to strap the electronics differently
for hard or soft sector compatibility.
- don
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Date: 23 Oct 91 17:25:14 GMT
From: baron!baron!pnet07!donm@nosc.mil (Don Maslin)
Subject: Re: replacement kaypro disk drives
Message-ID: <1991Oct23.172514.19261@baron.uucp>
Most any half high 360K floppy drive should do the job for your Kaypro 4.
*BUT* be sure that the drive has jumpers for drive selection which you
need in the Kaypro. Some of the recent drives have done away with them
because PCs make the selection with the twist in the ribbon cable.
- don
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Date: 27 Oct 91 05:25:44 GMT
From: mips!quack!mrapple@decwrl.dec.com (Nick Sayer)
Subject: Re: Sayer's UP/M program
Message-ID: <k8A4dDy@quack.sac.ca.us>
wilker@gauss.math.purdue.edu (Clarence Wilkerson) writes:
>That about summarizes what I got from the documentation.
>I've been trying to use it with a CCP and BDOS from
>DOSPLUS off of SIMTEL20. There doesn't seem to be any
>pure 8080 code replacement CCP and BDOS replacements,
>especially the BDOS.
That's why upm is a Z-80 interpreter.
> The ZCPR can be hacked into 8080
>at the cost of leaving out some features and there are
>several Z80 code BDOS replacements in SIMTEL20 's CP/M
>archives.
No need to do that. The emulator handles Z-80.
Now the emulator wasn't fully debugged, so there
aren't any guarantees. I don't even have the source
anymore.
--
Nick Sayer | "It walks down stairs, alone or in pairs,
mrapple@quack.sac.ca.us | It rolls over your neighbor's dog,
N6QQQ | It's great for a snack, and fits on your back,
+1 408 249 9630 (modem) | It's Log! Log! Log!" (from Blam-o)
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Date: 27 Oct 91 13:11:27 GMT
From: theory.TC.Cornell.EDU!gould@tcgould.tn.cornell.edu (EWD)
Subject: Re: Sayer's UP/M program
Message-ID: <1991Oct27.131127.4838@tc.cornell.edu>
In article <k8A4dDy@quack.sac.ca.us> mrapple@quack.sac.ca.us (Nick Sayer) writes:
>No need to do that. The emulator handles Z-80.
>Now the emulator wasn't fully debugged, so there
>aren't any guarantees. I don't even have the source
>anymore.
>
Had a lot of fun with that upm, hacking for it's own sake. As I reall
there were amazingly few errors, like xoring swapped with an and in one
of the series, and some incorrect flag states, I forget.
On some of the fast machines it will give respectable performance,
especially for disk intensive tasks.
The only way I was able to debug it properly while hacking for all
the speed I could find was to set up test programs on a real Z80 CPM
machine, dump the console output back to unix, then run the same program
on the emulator, and use diff to munch the megabytes. That sure zeroed
in on some obscure errors in a hurry.
In the end though, all I really wanted was to bring unix tools to the
CPM code, compile, and debug cycle. To that end all it took was
some utilities to switch the conin/conout from the real console to
the serial port and back, a simple file transfer utility, and then a
rudimentary scripting utility on the unix side. It's a lot of fun
to type "make" and dog that little puppie. Meanwhile, in another window,
you can work on the next step. It's like revenge for all those hours
spent plinking a little and waiting for the stinker to be ready for me,
"Mush! Mush! Spin that floppy, compile that code! No rest for you!
Now mush, mush!"
C976,
Eliot
Eliot W. Dudley edudley@rodan.acs.syr.edu
RD 1, Box 66
Cato, New York 13033 315 626 2878
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