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INFO-CPM Digest Wed, 2 May 90 Volume 90 : Issue 78
Today's Topics:
10 sector problem .. FOUND . THANKS
Communications Software
Dbase II on a Model IV
Floppies TEN (10) HARD sectored, SW Sources
Kaypro Replacement Keyswitches/Caps
Strange machine
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Date: 2 May 90 06:13:13 GMT
From: zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!sdd.hp.com!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!suned1!efb@tut.cis.ohio-state.edu (Everett Batey)
Subject: 10 sector problem .. FOUND . THANKS
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In article <9004301906.AA00254@hopf.math.purdue.edu> wilker@HOPF.MATH.PURDUE.EDU (Clarence Wilkerson) writes:
>Subject: Re: TEN SECTOR DS DD .. No more
To wilker and ALL of you who were so kind as to forward me the good ideas
for the DS DD 10 RH floppies, there is still a rich list of suppliers of
these including ( but not limited to ) 3M and Dysan. Learned there are
several ways to get past the hard sectored FD .. have some more phone numbers
if folks are likewise in the search .. 3M has an 800 number and helpful
folks who will tell who sells each product .. thanks to all and 3M, etc.
The Dual Photon Absorptiometry ( DPA ) patients thank you too .. /Ev/
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Date: 28 Apr 90 17:20:57 GMT
From: helios.ee.lbl.gov!hellgate.utah.edu!cc.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!slsw2@ucsd.edu (Roger Ivie)
Subject: Communications Software
Message-ID: <23256@cc.usu.edu>
In article <11579@june.cs.washington.edu>, falan@fred.cs.washington.edu writes:
> Apparently some of you have a vertion of Kermit for CPM. Where should I
> write, and have you seen implimentations for TRS-80 Model II? At this
Does the Model II support the I/O Byte (i.e.: can you STAT the console out
the comm port)? If so, you can use the generic version of KERMIT with
no customization as long as you don't want to send binaries.
I use the generic version on most of the machines I use; NorthStar, DECmate,
Epson Geneva, Televideo 802, even a DE-100. It works great.
--
===============================================================================
Roger Ivie
35 S 300 W
Logan, Ut. 84321
(801) 752-8633
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Date: 28 Apr 90 17:24:35 GMT
From: cs.utexas.edu!hellgate.utah.edu!cc.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!slsw2@tut.cis.ohio-state.edu (Roger Ivie)
Subject: Dbase II on a Model IV
Message-ID: <23257@cc.usu.edu>
In article <A8AE650AB7BF804CA0@uwplatt.edu>, UCSLCT@UWPLATT.EDU (LANCE TAGLIAPIETRA) writes:
> The osborne version
> loads in and runs, but gives a very strange cursor
> (inverse video m)@(block cursor) and prints this sequence between
> every character entered.
Back in the old days, I took DBASE from an Osborne and worked over with
ZSID to run on an H19.
As I recall, all you have to do is find that escape sequence and patch
its count byte to zero. It will then not print out that escape sequence
after every character.
After quite a while, I discovered that the dBASE from the Osborne was
missing an overlay (I forget which) but I wasn't able to determine if it
was shipped without the overlay or if I merely missed it in the upload
(the Osborne was long gone by then). I think the missing overlay had
something to do with the MODIFY command.
===============================================================================
Roger Ivie
35 S 300 W
Logan, Ut. 84321
(801) 752-8633
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Date: 28 Apr 90 17:02:25 GMT
From: helios.ee.lbl.gov!hellgate.utah.edu!cc.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!slsw2@ucsd.edu (Roger Ivie)
Subject: Floppies TEN (10) HARD sectored, SW Sources
Message-ID: <23254@cc.usu.edu>
In article <55181@bbn.COM>, gonzalez@bbn.com (Jim Gonzalez) writes:
>
> The last time I bought hard-sector diskettes for the Horizon, I got them
> from Inmac. Inmac is a large supplier that focuses on corporate computer
Coincidentally, I recently helped a friend put together a NorthStar to
give to a friend as a word processing system (dual floppy, WordStar). We
ordered a box of floppies from Inmac.
The guy at Inmac told us that the part number had been deleted from the
catalog for over a year, but being a NorthStar user himself knew what the
part number was and that they had some in stock at the time (a couple of
months ago). So it may be difficult to find them from Inmac.
I have the part number posted to my filing cabinet. Unfortunately, I
keep my filing cabinet at the office. I'm at home right now. If I remember,
I'll post their part number.
--
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Roger Ivie
35 S 300 W
Logan, Ut. 84321
(801) 752-8633
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Date: Wed, 02 May 90 09:45 EDT
From: "Bill Weinel" <WWH%NCCIBM1.BITNET@ncsuvm.ncsu.edu>
Subject: Kaypro Replacement Keyswitches/Caps
I recently inherited an old Kaypro II system which is in good
working order except for having five broken keys on the keyboard. The
former owner apparently lost the keycaps too since he didn't give them
to me along with the machine. I'm trying to locate someone who has an
old Kaypro keyboard who might be able to supply me with 5 switches and
caps to fix the problem. I have found a commercial vendor in CA who
sells replacement keyboards. However, since the price of his keyboards
is more than what I paid for the system, it's kind of hard to justify
going this route. If anyone has one laying around, and would like to
recover some of his/her investment, please contact me. Many thanks..
TWYL Bill
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Date: 28 Apr 90 17:13:29 GMT
From: helios.ee.lbl.gov!hellgate.utah.edu!cc.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!slsw2@ucsd.edu (Roger Ivie)
Subject: Strange machine
Message-ID: <23255@cc.usu.edu>
In article <29247@cup.portal.com>, Azog-Thoth@cup.portal.com (William Thomas Daugustine) writes:
> Recently recived a slighty strange machine, and wanted to get some
> input on it. Its not a bad machine, but a little odd, and in being
> odd, may be hard to do certian things...
>
> First off, its called a DE-100 Disk Emulator, from Design Analysis
> Associates. Theres two ports on the back: console, and remote. Both
> are RS-232C. The console is at 9600 right now, and remote is 2400.
HELLO! I work for Design Analysis and am very familiar with the DE100
(I helped out on certain bits of the software, most notably the
Turbo Pascal interrupt service routines). I know quite a bit about the
machine.
The machine emulates a floppy drive and a hard drive. It is intended to
be a test instrument for designing MFM data separators for those drives.
I also used one of these things when I was designing a hard disk controller
for an AT. It is a very handy device if your designing a controller.
> On the front is where the bizzare stuff comes into play. First, its
> got a 700k DSDD 3.5" disk. the front panel has a bunch of ports:
>
> a floppy connector (standard 5.25" not 8"), and a whole array of
> LEDs that match each line on a floppy connector (track 00, select,
> etc)
These are output ports for the machine. You hook them up to the
controller that you want to test.
Remember that the machine is EMULATING A DRIVE. It generates MFM data
at various data rates with programmable bit shift, jitter, etc. This
data comes out of these ports. You can monitor the controller's assertion
of drive selects, etc. on the LEDs.
>
> Then theres five other ports for hard drives (5.25"): one address
> buss, and four data buss connectors, and the same LED array.
These are more output ports for the machine. Except that now, the
machine is emulating a hard drive rather than a floppy.
>
> Inside is a card cage, mounted on a hinge, with about 10 cards.
> The CPU is a Z80A (or it may be an H).
It's an A.
>
> It runs CP/M 2.2, comes up with 62k RAM, and runs ZCPR2 and ZCPR
> 3.4 just fine, it even has a version of MDM and its associated
> overlay. It also as a RAM drive at C: with about 189k. Also included
> is the disk emulator software, which of course I have no idea how
> to use! One thing, somewhere along the line I ran a program
> called MEMTEST, which does some insane diags (takes 41 minutes
> to complete!) It states 'STD-buss 256k'. I seem to remember
> STD-buss from somewhere, but cant place it..
STD bus is a popular industrial control bus.
Incidentally, the machine doesn't ship with MDM; just vanilla CP/M that
autoboots the disk emulator software. It's a shame you didn't get the
manual for the software. It's a nifty package (but them I'm biased...).
>
> Anyone? The machine was basiclly free (part of a trade deal. But
> since I dont have a personal CP/M machine, its the best I got. A
> Xerox 820-II is running a BBS, so I cant use that...)
Design Analysis' phone number is (801)753-2212.
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Roger Ivie
35 S 300 W
Logan, Ut. 84321
(801) 752-8633
===============================================================================
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INFO-CPM Digest Thu, 3 May 90 Volume 90 : Issue 79
Today's Topics:
Dbase II on a Model IV
information on ?
Kaypro Replacement Keyswitches/Caps
Magazine Questions
TEN SECTOR DS DD .. No more
UniForum Format Number for CDOS?
vt180 robin disk info, again by popular demand.
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Date: 2 May 90 18:58:16 GMT
From: mcdchg!laidbak!luke@rutgers.edu (Luke Weerts)
Subject: Dbase II on a Model IV
Message-ID: <1990May2.185816.5534@i88.isc.com>
In article <A8AE650AB7BF804CA0@uwplatt.edu> UCSLCT@UWPLATT.EDU (LANCE TAGLIAPIETRA) writes:
>Has anyone gotten Dbase II to work properly on a TRS-80 Model IV
>using Montezuma Micro CP/M. I have a working copy for my Osborne
>1, and the DBINST.COM installation program. The osborne version
>loads in and runs, but gives a very strange cursor
>(inverse video m)@(block cursor) and prints this sequence between
>every character entered. I also have the demonstration program
>for Dbase II which runs fine (no strange characters). It signs
>on as version 2.3B DEMONSTRATOR. Also, what is the difference
>between this version, and the non-demonstrator version, besides
>that the installation program does not seem to work with it.
>
>If you need more info to help me, just ask, any hints would be
>appreciated.
>
>Lance
These characters are probably part of an unrecognized escape sequence which
the osborne uses to do special stuff like cursor positioning or bold print
or some such thing. When running on the osborne, is the field being typed
in highlighted or underlined or some special video effect? That's a clue that
this is an escape sequence. The demonstration probably does all its screen
updating as if the video display is a dumb terminal ie. without cursor
positioning, repainting the whole video screen on update, etc. Generally,
demonstration programs disable the save/write functions which would allow
someone to keep their changes, making it useless for real work.
To change the program, try to figure out the hex equivalents of the unwanted
characters and place an escape character in front of it. Then go to your
osborne users manual and see if this matches some escape sequence to do
fancy stuff. Find out if the TRS-80 has a similar function. Generally a
program which runs on many different terminal types has this string of
characters defined in a single spot in the install program either as a
length prefixed string or a string with a zero byte at the end. Use a
debugger (DDT, Z8E) and find this set of characters in the DBINST.COM file
and place a length of zero in the byte before the string if it appears to
be the length of the string or zero out the bytes if that first byte doesnt
seem to be the length of the string. Save this modified version of DBINST.COM
(to another name of course) and try to install Dbase again. This should
clear up the problem.
How do I know this you ask. Once I had a comm program that used Kaypro 4
video highliting for some messages but on my old Kaypro II it came out as
weird characters like you described because the II (pre-84) did not
support video highliting.
Good luck. Let me know if this helps.
Luke
--
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INTERACTIVE Systems Corporation, Naperville, IL | ...!{sun,ico}!laidbak!luke
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Date: Wed 2 May 90 18:49:22-EDT
From: Twila Oxley Price <TOP@SEED.AMS.COM>
Subject: information on ?
Message-ID: <12586569158.19.TOP@SEED.AMS.COM>
does anybody have an opinion on the following systems; Osborne
portable with 5.25 floppy discs; televideo TPC 1 system with 4mhz z80a
cpu, 64kbyte dynamic ram,32 kbyte alpha/graphic,8kbyte Eprom;Kaypro
Plus 88.
Are they good systems?
Can they talk to each other?
Are the programs interchangable?
What is a fair market price on these systems used?
Can you rate them on a scale of 1-10?
Apply the above information to the fact that I presently own a
Xerox 820 2.2 1981
CPM Reg. TM 2.2 Sy 2.0
I am operating Micropro Wordstar 3.0 with the system, although I
prefer the Mince Program for wordprocessing. I am basically a
computer Illiterate playing by guess and by gosh with any and all
programs I can find. Any and all suggestions would be greatly
appreciated, especially if the information can be bought cheap. In
fact, the only way I can talk to you is through my wifes office
system, so please send any answers and suggestions to her. With any
luck, she will bring them home.
Bruce Price
2565 Sandalwood Circle
Ann Arbor, Mich. 48105
1-313-663-5703
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Date: 3 May 90 15:14:56 GMT
From: hub.ucsb.edu!crmeyer@ucsd.edu
Subject: Kaypro Replacement Keyswitches/Caps
Message-ID: <5064@hub.ucsb.edu>
In article <9005030703.AA18134@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU>, WWH@NCCIBM1.BITNET ("Bill Weinel") writes...
>
> I recently inherited an old Kaypro II system which is in good
>working order except for having five broken keys on the keyboard.
Contact Kaypro. Two years ago when I had a Kaypro II with a defective keyboard
I called them up and the were selling off their collection of Kaypro II
keyboard mechanisms for $25.00 each.
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Date: 3 May 90 16:04:30 GMT
From: philmtl!pedersen@uunet.uu.net (Paul Pedersen)
Subject: Magazine Questions
Message-ID: <1237@philmtl.philips.ca>
In article <55481@bbn.COM> gonzalez@vax.bbn.com (Jim Gonzalez) writes:
>I have some news and questions about magazines that cover CP/M and S-100.
>
[lots deleted...
>
> -Jim.
I would very much appreciate someone sending me the address of Supermicro's
publisher. I've owned an S-100 for years now and have heard often about
this magazine, but can find no store in Montreal that has ever heard of it
so I have been unable to do anything.
Even better, if they have a subscription telephone number (not 800 since it
won't work from here) I'd like that too.
Thanks in advance,
Paul Pedersen (pedersen@philmtl)
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Date: 1 May 90 22:52:49 GMT
From: helios.ee.lbl.gov!hellgate.utah.edu!cc.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!slsw2@ucsd.edu (Roger Ivie)
Subject: TEN SECTOR DS DD .. No more
Message-ID: <23472@cc.usu.edu>
In article <4103@suned1.Nswses.Navy.MIL>, efb@suned1.Nswses.Navy.MIL (Everett Batey) writes:
> Thank you all for the responses .. for commercial suppliers of Hard
> Sectored ( North Star ) 10 per track ( DS DD , 5.25 inch ) floppies,
> unless someone at 3M has a a big hidden stack .. seems that the pri-
> mary vendors have departed from that business..
The old Inmac part number was 79080. When I ordered mine a couple of months
back there were some boxes in stock but they didn't show up on the saleman's
catalog because the part number had been deleted. You might want to give it
a try. The price was $14.90 for a box of 10.
===============================================================================
Roger Ivie
35 S 300 W
Logan, Ut. 84321
(801) 752-8633
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Date: 3 May 90 14:40:45 GMT
From: bbn.com!gonzalez@bbn.com (Jim Gonzalez)
Subject: UniForum Format Number for CDOS?
Message-ID: <55679@bbn.COM>
I am working to get a diskette of software from someone who has a Kaypro
running UniForum. They're too far away for me to look over their shoulder,
so I've been coordinating this over the phone and through the mail.
I have a Cromemco System Three running CDOS on two 5.25" DSDD drives. The
first diskette was written and formatted using some "other" CDOS DSDD format,
listed as format number 72 in the UniForum menu. They have located a CDOS
entry, but I'm not sure that they have the right one. My questions are:
1. What is format number 72? Might it be Cromix?
2. What is the format number for CDOS DSDD?
I'm hoping that someone on the net has UniForum running, and can take a
quick look at the menu to answer these questions. Thanks.
This seems like a good time to ask a related question: how does one obtain
a copy of UniForum? I noticed that Emerald Microware was offering the PC
version, in the last issue of MicroCornucopia, but made no mention of the
CP/M version.
-Jim.
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Date: Wed, 2 May 90 12:56 EDT
From: Brainwave Surfer <AGNEW@Ruby.VCU.EDU>
Subject: vt180 robin disk info, again by popular demand.
Dear netters, this message seems to be dead also..
Dear Bill Pechter,
here is your info. i like your signature, about msdos...
ALSO, LOOK UP ADVANCED ENGINEERING CONCEPTS SOMEWHERE IN FLA..
any more questions, feel free to ask! Jim
In article <DF315E09921F200F8F@Gems.VCU.EDU>, AGNEW@RUBY.VCU.EDU (Brainwave
Surfer) writes:
> Dear Netlanders...
> I've been trying to figure out how to jam a hard disk onto my VT180 "Robin".
> Have anyone out "there" any idea how to do that? Even a 5 meg drive would
> be very nice!
Try talking to Emerald Microware [ (503)641-8088 ]. They make a hard disk
adapter that fits under the Z80; you lift your Z80 out, plug it into this
board, and then plug the board where your Z80 goes. It talks to a Western
Digital 1002-05, which they also sell (WD doesn't even admit this thing
ever existed anymore; it seems that if it doesn't plug into a PC they're
not interested). They sell software to drive the thing.
They advertise in Micro Cornucopia if you want to look up an ad.
Roger Ivie
35 S 300 W
Logan, Ut. 84321
(801) 752-8633
===============================================================================
Sorry it took so long, but I've found that adding hard disks to a VT180
would be about 500 dollars... Will save up for a 386 instead!! If you
want sources and supplies to do it, mail me back and I'll send them.
It is doable, though, and if you want to keep a cp/m system running,
there is quite a LOT of stuff still availiable out there..
Jim agnew, AGNEW@VCUVAX.BITNET
End of line. -- NCP, "Tron"
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INFO-CPM Digest Fri, 4 May 90 Volume 90 : Issue 80
Today's Topics:
floppy drive hardware
Infocom-- Public Domain? (2 msgs)
looking for Infocom
Magazine Questions (2 msgs)
Morrow Design
questions
UniForum Format Number for CDOS?
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Date: Thu, 3 May 90 18:53 CDT
From: LANCE TAGLIAPIETRA <UCSLCT@UWPLATT.EDU>
Subject: floppy drive hardware
Message-ID: <9DD0D3D47EDF602A04@uwplatt.edu>
Hello,
I just finished reading an informative article in The Computer Journal
Issue 44: Mysteries of PC Floppy Disks Revealed by Richard Rodman.
I had always wondered how 1.2M and 1.44 Meg storage was achieved on
5.25 and 3.5 inch hardware. I am glad to see an article covering this
territory.
The article did bring a couple questions to mind:
(1) What is the difference between 720K and 1.44M 3.5 inch drives.
(2) What is the pinout for 3.5in drives. (a pinout for 5.25in is given)
Can anyone shed light on this?
Lance Tagliapietra (ucslct@uwplatt.edu) or (ucslct@uwplatt.bitnet)
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Date: 4 May 90 02:56:47 GMT
From: hub.ucsb.edu!ucsbuxa!6600raft@ucsd.edu (Michael Wise)
Subject: Infocom-- Public Domain?
Message-ID: <5086@hub.ucsb.edu>
Someone noted that the Infocom company was no longer. Does this imply
that software they published is now in the public domain? Furthermore,
if it is, where may one obtain it. I have been unable to find it
in the massive Simtel archives, but I assume it could be floating
around somewhere else. Perhaps because I haven't seen it means
that it is NOT public domain. Would someone please elaborate?
--
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Date: 4 May 90 15:32:54 GMT
From: zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!uwm.edu!ogicse!zephyr.ens.tek.com!orca.wv.tek.com!frip!andrew@tut.cis.ohio-state.edu (Andrew Klossner)
Subject: Infocom-- Public Domain?
Message-ID: <7005@orca.wv.tek.com>
[]
"Someone noted that the Infocom company was no longer. Does
this imply that software they published is now in the public
domain?"
No. When a company stops operating, they still retain the rights to
their assets, and can transfer them. Activision, or whoever owns them,
holds the rights to the Infocom software. This leaves new CP/M users
in the frustrating position of wanting Infocom CP/M games but having no
legal means of obtaining them, other than buying them from other CP/M
users or from the dusty stocks of distributors.
On a similar note, it should be mentioned that CP/M dBASE II, whose
port has been discussed here recently, is still copyright by
Ashton-Tate, even though they no longer sell or support it.
-=- Andrew Klossner (uunet!tektronix!frip.WV.TEK!andrew) [UUCP]
(andrew%frip.wv.tek.com@relay.cs.net) [ARPA]
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Date: 3 May 90 21:52:47 GMT
From: ogicse!zephyr.ens.tek.com!orca.wv.tek.com!frip!andrew@ucsd.edu (Andrew Klossner)
Subject: looking for Infocom
Message-ID: <7002@orca.wv.tek.com>
Infocom used to distribute their games for CP/M-80. However, they
stopped distributing these a few years ago; then they were bought by
Activision; then Activision shut them down. Infocom is no more.
-=- Andrew Klossner (uunet!tektronix!frip.WV.TEK!andrew) [UUCP]
(andrew%frip.wv.tek.com@relay.cs.net) [ARPA]
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Date: 3 May 90 18:58:53 GMT
From: sdd.hp.com!samsung!emory!mephisto!bbn.com!gonzalez@ucsd.edu (Jim Gonzalez)
Subject: Magazine Questions
Message-ID: <55698@bbn.BBN.COM>
In article <1237@philmtl.philips.ca> pedersen@philmtl.philips.ca (Paul Pedersen) writes:
>I would very much appreciate someone sending me the address of Supermicro's
>publisher. I've owned an S-100 for years now and have heard often about
>this magazine, but can find no store in Montreal that has ever heard of it
>so I have been unable to do anything.
The address on their business reply card is:
Supermicro
P.O. Box 50777
Provo, UT 84605-0777
I don't have the magazine at work, so I can't provide a phone number. If
you're in a real rush, I suppose you could call directory assistance in
Utah, area code 801.
-Jim.
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Date: 4 May 90 05:45:30 GMT
From: cs.utexas.edu!samsung!uakari.primate.wisc.edu!ra!emory!hubcap!ncrcae!ncr-sd!simasd!pnet07!donm@tut.cis.ohio-state.edu (Don Maslin)
Subject: Magazine Questions
Message-ID: <122@simasd.UUCP>
SUPERMICRO subscription address is:
SUPERMICRO
P.O. Box 50777
Provo UT 84605-0777
Phone: 801/373-0696
Canadian rates are $24 + 10 = $34 per year, payable in US currency.
UUCP: {nosc ucsd crash ncr-sd}!pnet07!donm
ARPA: simasd!pnet07!donm@nosc.mil
INET: donm@pnet07.cts.com
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Date: 4 May 90 18:07:19 GMT
From: ucla-seas!seashell.seas.ucla.edu!mitch@cs.ucla.edu (Robert R. Mitchell (SEAS admin)/)
Subject: Morrow Design
Message-ID: <600@lee.SEAS.UCLA.EDU>
Greetings!
A co-worker has an old Morrow Decision (Design?) CPM-80 machine
that died recently--bad crt or something. She doesn't want to
spend any money having it repaired (is it even possible?) but
she does want to retrieve the data from her flops. She has
been offered a good deal on an XT-clone.
Is there some kind of MS-DOS program available that will let
her read her old cpm floppies on an XT? (Have I just insulted
everyone in this newsgroup?) I saw some mention of running
a CPM environment on a DOS machine. Is that the sort of thing
she should be interested in?
Also, I have an old Sanyo MBC-2000; stats are: CPM 2.2,
64k, dual 5.25" floppy drives, 2 serial ports, 1 centronics
port. Software includes Typemaster, CalcStar, BASIC, a
communication program, Adventure and other odds and ends.
I need to unload this soon, my wife wants it outta her way.
Is this worth more than $1/pound to anyone?
Thanks!
------------------------------
Date: 3 May 90 11:34:02 GMT
From: astroatc!nicmad!madnix!rat@speedy.wisc.edu (David Douthitt)
Subject: questions
Message-ID: <1308@madnix.UUCP>
Just a few questions:
1. What's Jay Sage's USNail Address...? For stuff he sells or
whatever..
2. Does anyone know how to write drivers for Apple II PCPI CP/M?
3. Has NovaDOS ever been converted to work with Apple II PCPI CP/M?
4. Will QL (QuickList) ever be converted to work with the new
*.?Y? (LZH?) format crunched files?
Muchacho thanks goes out to Dave Goodenough - what would we do without
you? Keep up the good work!
[david]
--
! InterNet: madnix!rat@cs.wisc.edu ! David Douthitt
! UUCP: ...uwvax!astroatc!nicmad!madnix!rat ! Madison, Wisconsin
! {decvax!att}! ! === Apple II Forever ===
! Thimpk before you post...! ! The Stainless Steel Rat
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Date: 4 May 90 05:45:50 GMT
From: cs.utexas.edu!samsung!uakari.primate.wisc.edu!ra!emory!hubcap!ncrcae!ncr-sd!simasd!pnet07!donm@tut.cis.ohio-state.edu (Don Maslin)
Subject: UniForum Format Number for CDOS?
Message-ID: <123@simasd.UUCP>
UniForm and UniForm-PC are products of:
Micro Solutions, Inc.
132 West Lincoln Hwy.
DeKalb IL 60115
815/756-3411
UniForm comes in a configurable form and is probably configurable to your
machine. I suspect that Emerald Microware still sells it, even though not
listed in there advertisement.
Without firing up my Kaypro, I can't help on the '72' thing, but there is a
listing in UniForm-PC for DSDD 48tpi Cromemco CDOS.
UUCP: {nosc ucsd crash ncr-sd}!pnet07!donm
ARPA: simasd!pnet07!donm@nosc.mil
INET: donm@pnet07.cts.com
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INFO-CPM Digest Mon, 7 May 90 Volume 90 : Issue 81
Today's Topics:
CPM Fido?
File xfer? Xerox 820-2
floppy drive hardware
Morrow Design (2 msgs)
Senile CP/M disks?
supermicro/s-100 journal address
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Date: 6 May 90 04:36:04 GMT
From: eru!luth!sunic!mcsun!ukc!axion!tharr!pm111@BLOOM-BEACON.MIT.EDU (Paul Martin)
Subject: CPM Fido?
Message-ID: <693@tharr.UUCP>
Does anyone know of a FidoNet compatible BBS system for CPM machines?
Preferably one that doesn't need ZCPR or BYE.
--
If life is just a bowl of cherries, you'd better watch out for the stones.
Paul Martin. Cambridge, UK.
UUCP: pm111@tharr.uucp INTERNET: pm111%tharr.uucp@ukc.ac.uk
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Date: 7 May 90 03:35:00 GMT
From: usc!cs.utexas.edu!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!torsqnt!tmsoft!masnet!canremote!scott.gregory@ucsd.edu (SCOTT GREGORY)
Subject: File xfer? Xerox 820-2
Message-ID: <ee89e4c90e2226450904@canremote.uucp>
To ALL, including you.
I recently acquired a Xerox 820-II with eight inch floppy drives. I am
in need of advice/information. I know that these drives spin constantly
and am wondering if there is a way/circuit to stop it, ie. to have them
spin up only when accessing. I saw something to this effect recently
posted from an old Microcornucopia (sp?) magasine, but wonder if anyone
here has done the same or has a MC magasine from 1975 that they
could look up. (Please, pretty please...!! :-) I don't have or have
access to the magasine back issues.
Also, I would like to start taking software from here at CRS but need to
get it from my IBM with internal modem to the Xerox. I have a null
modem set up and I can get them to talk text using the Xerox's Terminal
mode. I also have the 'ASCOM' program, but haven't had any luck. Is
there a way that I can bootstrap this up to a better system - I presume
that 'KERMIT-80' on CRS is better, so again I need info.... (Pretty
please with sugar (or nutrasweet) on top...) How do I get a binary over
to my Xerox?
Thanks in Advance for any/all
help.
Scott Gregory
scott.gregory@canremote.uucp
---
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Date: 7 May 90 07:22:36 PDT (Monday)
From: "Rex_E._Robards.DlosLV"@Xerox.COM
Subject: floppy drive hardware
Message-ID: <900507-072635-10021@Xerox>
In message-id 9DD0D3D47EDF602A04@uwplatt.edu, Lance Tagliapietra asks,
> (1) What is the difference between 720K and 1.44M 3.5 inch drives.
1.44 MB drives have 18 sectors per track. 720 KB drives have 9 sectors per
track.
>(2) What is the pinout for 3.5in drives. (a pinout for 5.25in is given)
The pinout for 3.5" drives is the same (3.5" drives are indistinguishable
from 5.25" drives from a hardware perspective).
Rex (rroba.dloslv@xerox.com)
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Date: 5 May 90 23:45:10 GMT
From: usc!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!peregrine!sceard!ncr-sd!simasd!pnet07!donm@ucsd.edu (Don Maslin)
Subject: Morrow Design
Message-ID: <125@simasd.UUCP>
UniForm-PC and No, respectively.
UUCP: {nosc ucsd crash ncr-sd}!pnet07!donm
ARPA: simasd!pnet07!donm@nosc.mil
INET: donm@pnet07.cts.com
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Date: Mon, 07 May 90 12:10:23 EST
From: SAGE@LL.LL.MIT.EDU
Subject: Morrow Design
I tried to respond to ucla-seas!seashell.seas.ucla.edu!mitch@cs.ucla.edu
directly, but the mail bounced.
>> Is there some kind of MS-DOS program available that will let her read her
>> old cpm floppies on an XT? (Have I just insulted everyone in this
>> newsgroup?) I saw some mention of running a CPM environment on a DOS
>> machine. Is that the sort of thing she should be interested in?
This problem is very easy to solve. You can get the shareware program
22DISK (latest version is in 22DSK130.ZIP, I believe) on BBSs, perhaps at
SIMTEL20, too. Or you can purchase Uniform from Micro Solutions as
described in another message recently on the net. I use Uniform.
You do not need to run a CP/M emulator in order to read the disks; you
need that only if you want to RUN the CP/M programs. There are many such
emulators and even Z80 cards that go in PCs. I have such a card from Micro
Solutions in my Compaq 386/16, and it makes a dynamite CP/M system. One
emulator is the companion to 22DISK called 22NICE.
>> Also, I have an old Sanyo MBC-2000 ... I need to unload this soon, my
>> wife wants it outta her way. Is this worth more than $1/pound to anyone?
Probably not worth even that. If you are ready to give it away, we at
the Boston Computer Society regularly accept donations of CP/M machines, and
we try to find new owners who will care for them with respect during their
declining years. If you are ready to make such a donation, please contact
me at SAGE @ LL.LL.MIT.EDU. My address is 1435 Centre St., Newton Centre,
MA 02159-2469. Home phone is 617-965-3552.
-- Jay Sage
------------------------------
Date: 6 May 90 02:15:00 GMT
From: zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!brutus.cs.uiuc.edu!ux1.cso.uiuc.edu!ux1.cso.uiuc.edu!m.cs.uiuc.edu!sunb6!haskins@tut.cis.ohio-state.edu
Subject: Senile CP/M disks?
Message-ID: <29300002@sunb6>
I still have my old Osborne I (80-col. mod, SS/DD) and I was wondering if
I should make some sort of effort to make sure that my cp/m disk collection
stays, er, potent. Do floppies get senile after a while? About a year
ago I checked some of the masters, and they seem to be okay. Of course,
you could say that if I was prudent, I would back them up every couple
years or so. I bought it < a year before Osborne went away the first time.
And no, I don't actively use it at this time.
Lloyd Haskins -- l-haskins@uiuc.edu
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Date: Sat, 5 May 90 14:36 CDT
From: LANCE TAGLIAPIETRA <UCSLCT@UWPLATT.EDU>
Subject: supermicro/s-100 journal address
Message-ID: <9C6276422F7F6036D8@uwplatt.edu>
To Paul Pedersen:
The address of the Supermicro subscriptions dept:
Supermicro
P.O. Box 50777
Provo, UT 84605-0777
Subscriptions are $24 for 1 year and $40 for two years.
I found a telephone number 801-373-0696.
I hope this helps.
Lance
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INFO-CPM Digest Tue, 8 May 90 Volume 90 : Issue 82
Today's Topics:
8" drives and BBSes
disk drives (2 msgs)
floppy drive hardware (3 msgs)
Pics BBS
Turbo Modula-2
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Date: 7 May 90 17:30:32 GMT
From: pilchuck!amc-gw!sigma!flash!bill@uunet.uu.net (W Swan)
Subject: 8" drives and BBSes
Message-ID: <728@flash.UUCP>
[...couldn't e-mail reply...]
The heads remained loaded because on these half-height Tandons there is no
automatic head load/unload mechanism. (I recall that the drive appeared to
be built to accept such a device, but it was not installed - perhaps an
option?) The design is such that when the spindles are engaged, the head
loads. The only way to reduce wear is to turn the motor off when not in
use.
We went through a lot of agony with these Tandons before we figured out what
was happening...
--
bill@summation.wa.com
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Date: Mon, 7 May 90 15:47 CDT
From: LANCE TAGLIAPIETRA <UCSLCT@UWPLATT.EDU>
Subject: disk drives
Message-ID: <9AC642E1815F4000B3@uwplatt.edu>
Rex_E._Robards.DlosLV@Xerox.com writes:
<1.44 MB diskettes have 18 sectors per track. 720 KB diskettes have 9
<sectors per track. 3.5" drives and 5.25" drives have the same pinouts
<(they are indistinguishable).
Yes, I understood from the article that 1.44Mb disks are putting 18
512 byte sectors on a track, and 720Kb disks are putting 9 512 byte
sectors on a track. The article explains that the data rate is
doubled.
What is physically different between a 1.44Mb drive and on that is
rated at 720Kb? Why can one handle the doubled data rate, and not
the other?
Looking at a 3.5in drive here, I would say that the pinout has to be a
bit different than a 5.25in drive, and the 3.5in drive has no power
connector like the 5.25in (at least the ones connected to the ps/2's
here don't).
Lance Tagliapietra ucslct@uwplatt.edu or ucslct@uwplatt.bitnet
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 8 May 90 15:43 CDT
From: LANCE TAGLIAPIETRA <UCSLCT@UWPLATT.EDU>
Subject: disk drives
Message-ID: <99FDA6FD0BBF800905@uwplatt.edu>
Rex_E._Robards.DlosLV@Xerox.com writes:
<1.44 MB diskettes have 18 sectors per track. 720 KB diskettes have 9
<sectors per track. 3.5" drives and 5.25" drives have the same pinouts
<(they are indistinguishable).
Yes, I understood from the article that 1.44Mb disks are putting 18
512 byte sectors on a track, and 720Kb disks are putting 9 512 byte
sectors on a track. The article explains that the data rate is
doubled.
What is physically different between a 1.44Mb drive and on that is
rated at 720Kb? Why can one handle the doubled data rate, and not
the other?
Looking at a 3.5in drive here, I would say that the pinout has to be a
bit different than a 5.25in drive, and the 3.5in drive has no power
connector like the 5.25in (at least the ones connected to the ps/2's
here don't).
Lance Tagliapietra ucslct@uwplatt.edu or ucslct@uwplatt.bitnet
------------------------------
Date: 7 May 90 14:06:44 GMT
From: snorkelwacker!spdcc!merk!alliant!linus!nixbur!nixpbe!peun11!josef@tut.cis.ohio-state.edu (Moellers)
Subject: floppy drive hardware
Message-ID: <1682@nixpbe.UUCP>
UCSLCT@UWPLATT.EDU (LANCE TAGLIAPIETRA) writes:
>Hello,
>
>I just finished reading an informative article in The Computer Journal
>Issue 44: Mysteries of PC Floppy Disks Revealed by Richard Rodman.
>
>I had always wondered how 1.2M and 1.44 Meg storage was achieved on
>5.25 and 3.5 inch hardware. I am glad to see an article covering this
>territory.
>
>The article did bring a couple questions to mind:
>
>(1) What is the difference between 720K and 1.44M 3.5 inch drives.
The 1.44M drive has twice the bit-density of the 720K disks.
I.e. both have 80 tracks/side but the 1.44M drive has twice the number
of bits (and therefore bytes and sectors) per track.
>(2) What is the pinout for 3.5in drives. (a pinout for 5.25in is given)
As far as I know, they are the same (I use both drives on the same
flat-cable, the 5.25" connected with the usual edge-connector, the 3.5"
connected with a berg-type connector.
HOWEVER: there are drives that can use some of the pins for more than
one purpose (e.g. drive ready vs. disk change, something else vs. high
density etc).
>Can anyone shed light on this?
Hope this did!
>Lance Tagliapietra (ucslct@uwplatt.edu) or (ucslct@uwplatt.bitnet)
| Josef Moellers | c/o Nixdorf Computer AG |
| USA: mollers.pad@nixbur.uucp | Abt. PXD-S21 |
| !USA: mollers.pad@nixbur.uucp | Pontanusstr |
| Phone: (+49) 5251 146245 | D-4790 Paderborn |
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Date: 8 May 90 17:04:21 GMT
From: uokmax!mcmiller@apple.com (Michael C Miller)
Subject: floppy drive hardware
Message-ID: <1990May8.170421.13420@uokmax.uucp>
In article <1682@nixpbe.UUCP> mollers.pad@nixpbe.uucp (Moellers) writes:
>
>As far as I know, they are the same (I use both drives on the same
>flat-cable, the 5.25" connected with the usual edge-connector, the 3.5"
>connected with a berg-type connector.
Hi there !
If you are connecting to the 5.25 ribbon cable you must have the 3.5 drive
mounting assembly ( like the ones used for PCs ). The actual pin outs from
the drive control board are a little different. I have some docs on a SSSD
Sony 3.5 and they list the pins differently. If you need the info, let me
Know and I'll be happy to send it along to you.
....michael
--
Better Dead than Simply Red!!!!!
< sans => mcmiller@uokmax.UUCP or mcmiller@uokmax.ecn.uoknor.edu >
< '..this one goes up to eleven. Its ONE louder.' >
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Date: 8 May 90 22:50:35 GMT
From: mcsun!unido!balu!tilmann%cosmo.UUCP@uunet.uu.net (Tilmann Reh)
Subject: floppy drive hardware
Message-ID: <5635@balu.UUCP>
Hello.
> Can anyone shed light on this?
I hope so. Generally, the 3.5" and 5.25" drives are IDENTICAL, concerning
their electrical and logical details. There is NO WAY to distinguish a 3.5"
drive from a 5.25" drive by software. As far as I know, the pinout is also
identical (however, the 'AT compatible' drives have some special pinout, for
both 3.5" and 5.25"). But, most 3.5" drives use pin connectors instead of
the card-edge 5.25" types.
The different capacities are the result of different data rates. The 720k
formats (both 3.5" and 5.25") are obtained using a data rate of 250 kbit/s
in MFM mode, so one track will contain 9 512-byte sectors per side.
The 1.44M format (only 3.5", as 5.25" drives for that data rate aren't
manufactured) uses a data rate of 500 kbit/s (like 8" drives) with MFM, so
18 such sectors fit onto one track.
The 1.2M format (5.25") is strictly an 8" format: the 5.25" HD drives are
rotating with 360 rpm, so that they behave exactly like an 8" DS DD drive.
Again, there is NO WAY to distinguish by software...
When using different capacities (and/or) different drives, always be sure
to use disks and drives only within their specifications! The HD disks
(5.25" 1.2M and 3.5" 1.44M) use stronger magnetic fields than the normal
MFM disks, so you can't crossover HD disks with MFM formats and vice versa.
However, if you try to format a normal disks for HD, it may be permanently
damaged (with resident magnetism caused by the strong fields).
Besides, always be aware that the capacities 720k and 1.44M (as well as 360k)
do NOT use all legal resources of disk and drive. It's just that IBM (who else)
wasted about 10 / 18 percent of the possible capacity FOR NO REASON!
Formatting MFM disks with 10 x 512 byte or, even better, 5 x 1024 byte, would
give 400k (40 track) or 800k (80 track) net capacity, and all that within
all specifications of the IBM 3740 disk format.
Formatting HD disks with 20 x 512 byte would give 1.6M, with 11 x 1024 byte
1.76M (that is 22% more than IBM!), also legal.
Again, one example how performance is WASTED by a company of which still
some people think they were able to design computers...
Tilmann
------------------------------
Date: 8 May 90 0:39 -0500
From: <umrose05@ccu.umanitoba.ca>
Subject: Pics BBS
Message-ID: <1034*umrose05@ccu.umanitoba.ca>
Has anyone out there successfully managed to get PICS BBS system
working on a Model 4?
I finally got the i/o right, but the program seems to be looking for
something from the modem....
This causes it to go into some sort of loop when the user logs off...
HELP!!
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Date: 3 May 90 19:10:00 GMT
From: tiamat!chromc!dynasys!fedeva!premise!stone@uunet.uu.net (Jonathan Stone)
Subject: Turbo Modula-2
Message-ID: <328@premise.ZONE1.COM>
I'm looking for a copy of Turbo Modula-2 for a Kaypro CP/M machine. I
understand that 1000 copies were sold before the product was discontinued.
Is there one for sale out there?
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
OOOOOOO ~ Steve Adams
OOOO OOOO ~ 1 New England Executive Park
OOOOO OOOOO ~ Burlington, MA 01803 USA
OOOO OOOO ~ (617) 270-9797
OOOOOOO bject Design Inc. ~ adams@odi.com or uunet!odi!adams
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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Subject: INFO-CPM Digest V90 #83
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INFO-CPM Digest Fri, 11 May 90 Volume 90 : Issue 83
Today's Topics:
disk drives
Infocom-- Public Domain? (2 msgs)
KERMIT for MOD-II
Morrow keyboard needed
S-100 MP/M systems (2) for sale
zcpr3 for TRS-80 model IV (2 msgs)
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Date: Wed, 9 May 90 16:29 CDT
From: LANCE TAGLIAPIETRA <UCSLCT@UWPLATT.EDU>
Subject: disk drives
Message-ID: <992DFFE1F77F80113D@uwplatt.edu>
Hi,
Michael D. Kersenbrock (michaelk%copper.wr.tek.com@RELAY.CS.net)
replied to my inquiry, and I though others might be interested:
#In article <9AC642E1815F4000B3@uwplatt.edu> you write:
#>Rex_E._Robards.DlosLV@Xerox.com writes:
#>
#><1.44 MB diskettes have 18 sectors per track. 720 KB diskettes have 9
#><sectors per track. 3.5" drives and 5.25" drives have the same pinouts
#><(they are indistinguishable).
#>
#>Yes, I understood from the article that 1.44Mb disks are putting 18
#>512 byte sectors on a track, and 720Kb disks are putting 9 512 byte
#>sectors on a track. The article explains that the data rate is
#>doubled.
#>
#>What is physically different between a 1.44Mb drive and on that is
#>rated at 720Kb? Why can one handle the doubled data rate, and not
#>the other?
#
#1. Probably has a smaller-gap'd head for the more compressed flux reversals.
#
#2. Has circuitry to detect HD media, and to appropriately change the
# write-current level (HD needs higher flux levels, I understand).
#
#These changes are minimal, and usually the 720K drive and 1.44MB drive
#will cost the same or with very little difference in price. I don't see
#why anyone would buy a 720K drive.
#
#>Looking at a 3.5in drive here, I would say that the pinout has to be a
#>bit different than a 5.25in drive, and the 3.5in drive has no power
#
#The little "converter" board that makes my 3.5" drive fit into a 5.25"
#PC slot looks like a straight 1-for-1 translation of connector signals.
#
#>connector like the 5.25in (at least the ones connected to the ps/2's
#>here don't).
#
#Yes it does, again, it's just a different connector type. The adapter
#cable on mine just has a small square-pin connector at one end, and the
#traditional 5.25" power connector on the other end, with four non-twisted
#wires going straight accross. The pinouts between the two types of
#drives seem indentical except for the connector *types*, and maybe pin #2
#of the data connector. The adapter board has a jumper for that signal
#so that I can connect it or not. This may not have to do with drive
#types, though, I recall it being a difference in signal interpretation
#between AT's an XT's (or was it PS/2's?).
Thanks to Rex E. Robards, Michael D. Kersenbrock, and David Goodenough
for their replies.
Lance Tagliapietra ucslct@uwplatt.edu or ucslct@uwplatt.bitnet
------------------------------
Date: 10 May 90 21:04:09 GMT
From: swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!samsung!noose.ecn.purdue.edu!mentor.cc.purdue.edu!hopf.math.purdue.edu!wilker@ucsd.edu (Clarence Wilkerson)
Subject: Infocom-- Public Domain?
Message-ID: <10652@mentor.cc.purdue.edu>
In a recent posting to unix source code group, there was an interpreter
for certain infocom adventure games. My impression is they run on a
virtual machine, so that a disk for machine X would include the X
version of the interpreter, plus the global code for the game written
in virtual machine code. Thus if you could find infocom games for say
C64 or coco or atari, you would have a chance of using these on a
CP/M machine.
------------------------------
Date: 9 May 90 15:27:13 GMT
From: swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!sunybcs!nsscb!ameyer@ucsd.edu (Andy Meyer)
Subject: Infocom-- Public Domain?
Message-ID: <1574@nsscb.UUCP>
In article <7005@orca.wv.tek.com> andrew@frip.wv.tek.com writes:
>
> "Someone noted that the Infocom company was no longer. Does
> this imply that software they published is now in the public
> domain?"
>
> No. When a company stops operating, they still retain the rights to
> their assets, and can transfer them. Activision, or whoever owns them,
> holds the rights to the Infocom software.
True. InfoCom is owned by Activision, which in turn is owned by
MediaGenic.
I suspect that to find whatever InfoCom products are still stocked,
one would need to contact MediaGenic:
MediaGenic/Activision
3480 Bohannon Drive
Menlo Park, CA 94025
415-329-0500
It would be interesting to know whether they still have any InfoCom
stuff!
--
Andreas Meyer ameyer%nsscb@ulysses.att.com ..!att!ulysses!nsscb!ameyer
#include <disclaimer.h> Rip-stop nylon: How does it know?!
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Date: Thu, 10 May 90 19:47:14 -0500
From: mknox@emx.utexas.edu (Margaret H. Knox)
Subject: KERMIT for MOD-II
Message-ID: <9005110047.AA02557@emx.utexas.edu>
The COLUMBIA-20 site has KERMIT for the MODEL-2, both for LIFEBOAT and P&T
versions. If you don't manage to get a copy anywhere else, write to
TriSoft , 1825 East 38 1/2, Austin, TX 78722 and they can send you a
copy for the cost of the diskette and shipping. [P&T version only].
If you need the lifeLIFEBOAT version you will need to chedkck around, or
log into COLUMBIA.
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Date: 10 May 90 21:24:53 GMT
From: usc!samsung!noose.ecn.purdue.edu!news@ucsd.edu (Jeffrey J Wieland)
Subject: Morrow keyboard needed
Message-ID: <1990May10.212453.29078@ecn.purdue.edu>
I have recently acquired a old Morrow that runs CP/M 2.2. It seems
to work fine except that the keyboard is really flakey. Some of the
keys work occassionally; some not at all. In order to keep the normal
"typewriter" keys going, someone used the key mechanisms from some of
the function keys. In short, I need a new (or newer) keyboard for this
beast. The terminal is a Morrow MT-70, made in Taiwan. It appears
to emulate a Lear-Siegler ADM31.
--
Jeff Wieland
wieland@acn.purdue.edu
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Date: 9 May 90 16:52:40 GMT
From: dsac.dla.mil!nts0699@tut.cis.ohio-state.edu (Gene McManus)
Subject: S-100 MP/M systems (2) for sale
Message-ID: <1858@dsac.dla.mil>
For sale - make an offer
+ 2 (ea) Ithaca Intersystems S-100 MP/M systems. 3-4 user
+ 10MHz Z-80B processors
+ 1 MB RAM
+ MP/M operating systems and a number of pieces of appl. software,
including Wordstar, and lord knows what else at this point.
+ Several terminals, H/Z-19s, Televideo, Visual 50 (4 I think)
One system has a 20MB hard drive and 8" DSDD floppy drive in an
external cabinet. The other has a 5MB hard drive and 5 1/4" floppy
drive inboard. New, in 1983, these systems cost $14,000 and $7,000
respectively. I got no takers a year ago asking $3000 for both &
all terminals.
Both systems have been in storage for over 4 years. Both worked
perfectly prior to putting them in storage.
These dinasours are taking up space that we're having to rent.
(Damned shame about the dinasour part, they were excellent (!),
fast, well supported systems in their day. They are built like
tanks with steel chassis' & cases, no cheap Taiwanese plastic
here).
To be sold As-Is, where is, FOB Newark, Ohio.
Contact Chuck Kolb at (614) 349-8644 or the Information People BBS
at (614) 366-5635, leave e-mail for SYSOP.
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Date: Wed, 09 May 90 10:41:48 GMT
From: Christopher Currie (IHR) <THRA004%mvs.ulcc.ac.uk@NSFnet-Relay.AC.UK>
Subject: zcpr3 for TRS-80 model IV
Message-ID: <A212FB2334E18600@UK.AC.ULCC.MVS>
Help! Does anyone subscribing to this list have a working, executable
copy of ZCPR3 for the Model 4, to run under Montezuma Micro CP/M?
I got the source code for the generic, customizable version from
Simtel20 but on inspecting it I found that I'd need to
know a great deal more about MM CP/M in order to assemble it
and run it correctly.
Christopher Currie
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 09 May 90 10:41:48 GMT
From: Christopher Currie (IHR) <THRA004%mvs.ulcc.ac.uk@NSFnet-Relay.AC.UK>
Subject: zcpr3 for TRS-80 model IV
Message-ID: <A212FB2334E18600@UK.AC.ULCC.MVS>
Help! Does anyone subscribing to this list have a working, executable
copy of ZCPR3 for the Model 4, to run under Montezuma Micro CP/M?
I got the source code for the generic, customizable version from
Simtel20 but on inspecting it I found that I'd need to
know a great deal more about MM CP/M in order to assemble it
and run it correctly.
Christopher Currie
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Subject: INFO-CPM Digest V90 #84
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INFO-CPM Digest Sun, 13 May 90 Volume 90 : Issue 84
Today's Topics:
floppy drive hardware
Need help for XOR S-100
Source for M80
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Date: 9 May 90 17:44:45 GMT
From: usc!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!van-bc!rsoft!mindlink!a577@ucsd.edu (Curt Sampson)
Subject: floppy drive hardware
Message-ID: <1721@mindlink.UUCP>
> Besides, always be aware that the capacities of 720K and 1.44M (as well as
> 360K) do NOT use all legal resources of disk and drive. It's just that IBM
> (who else) wasted about 10 / 18 percent of possible capacity FOR NO REASON!
Well, I can't comment on the higher density drives, but I've heard that IBM did
have a good reason for using 360K DSDD 5.25" diskettes rather than 400K.
Apparently the Intel disk controller that IBM used in their original machine is
not reliable writing and reading 10 sectors per track. So the started out with
8, and then moved up to 9. My Kaypro 4, using the Western Digital controller,
reads/writes 10 sectors/track (400 K/disk) with no problems. There's even
someone out there doing 11 sectors/track (440 K/disk) successfully.
I guess it was a little dumb of IBM to go with the Intel rather than the WD
controller, but then again, what did you expect after they chose the 8088....
:-)
-cjs ( Curt_Sampson@mindlink.UUCP )
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Date: 11 May 90 16:53:29 GMT
From: news@ncsuvx.ncsu.edu (Erik Scott)
Subject: Need help for XOR S-100
Message-ID: <1990May11.165329.25947@ncsuvx.ncsu.edu>
I just got an XOR computer. It has a pair of 8" single sided drives, a
connector for 5.25" drives, a Z-80, 64K ram, 2 serial ports, and some
kind of boot EPROM. It fires up and the disk drives click (or do eight-
inchers klang?) and then just sits there looking pretty.
Does anyone know who the manufacturer is? Does anyone have any docs?
And does anyone have a boot disk? My Radio Shack IV says it can write
XOR S-100-4 format (5.25",SS,DD) so I can get all my software running,
if I could just boot it.
Thanks a lot,
erik scott escott@maemc.ncsu.edu (919) 851-8534 Raleigh NC
or-- escott@shumv1.ncsu.edu
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Date: Fri, 11 May 90 17:05:58 EST
From: SAGE@LL.LL.MIT.EDU
Subject: Source for M80
Here is some information that someone passed on to me that might be of
interest to people on the net.
------------------------------------------------------
While browsing through a local software liquidation establishment (a common
enterprise in this part of the world - Silicon Valley), I stumbled across
something which should be of interest to anyone interested in 8080/Z80
assembly language programming. The below-listed store has at least 30 copies
of the Microsoft M80 assembler for CPM80, with manuals, for the great price
of 10 dollars each. I am not sure which version of M80 it is, as the plastic
box was sealed, but it likely includes the L80 linker and (whatever the REL
librarian is named). These appear to be unopened originals and are available
only in eight inch single density format. Looks like a super deal, and is
totally legitimate from all appearances.
This would be especially useful for a assembler beginner wanting to use REL
programming aids such as SYSLIB, Z3LIB, etc. Or, if you have a pirated copy
of M80 already, just the manuals that come with these would be worth it.
For more information, contact:
Herb's Discount Software
4406A Enterprise Place
Fremont, CA 94538
415/490-6335
I have no connection with this establishment and am simply passing along what
I saw there today.
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Date: Tue, 15 May 90 10:15:17 MDT
From: INFO-CPM-REQUEST@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL
Reply-To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL
Subject: INFO-CPM Digest V90 #85
To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL
Message-ID: <900515101521.V90N85@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL>
INFO-CPM Digest Tue, 15 May 90 Volume 90 : Issue 85
Today's Topics:
a<b on Z80 (2 msgs)
Boot Disk for Dec Rainbow
C Compilers
disk drives
MS-DOS Emulator for CP/M Plus
Need BDOS Call Tables
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Date: 14 May 90 09:09:41 GMT
From: mcsun!unido!gmdzi!wittig@uunet.uu.net (Georg Wittig)
Subject: a<b on Z80
Message-ID: <2456@gmdzi.UUCP>
How to write a signed compare of two 16 bit integers in Z80 assembler? The
obvious solution doesn't work:
LD HL,a
LD DE,b
AND A ; reset carry flag
SBC HL,DE
JP P,IS_GREATER_OR_EQUAL
IS_LESS:...
For example, let a=8000h, and b=1. The program should not JP in this case.
The only compact and correct solution I could find was the following one:
LD HL,a
LD DE,b
AND A
SBC HL,DE
JP PO,LABEL
JP P,IS_LESS
JP IS_GREATER_OR_EQUAL
LABEL: JP P,IS_GREATER_OR_EQUAL
IS_LESS:...
But this one looks very ugly to me. Does someone know of a shorter and/or
faster solution?
--
Georg Wittig GMD-Z1.IT | email: wittig@gmdzi.gmd.de | "Freedom's just
P.O. Box 1240 | wittig@zi.gmd.dbp.de | another word for
D-5205 St. Augustin 1 | | nothing left to lose"
West Germany | phone: (+49) 2241 14-2294 | (Kris Kristofferson)
------------------------------
Date: 15 May 90 08:00:17 GMT
From: eru!luth!sunic!mcsun!hp4nl!kunivv1!root@BLOOM-BEACON.MIT.EDU (Privileged Account)
Subject: a<b on Z80
Message-ID: <1592@kunivv1.sci.kun.nl>
wittig@gmdzi.UUCP (Georg Wittig) writes:
>How to write a signed compare of two 16 bit integers in Z80 assembler? The
>obvious solution doesn't work:
> [deleted]
>The only compact and correct solution I could find was the following one:
> LD HL,a
> LD DE,b
> AND A
> SBC HL,DE
> JP PO,LABEL
> JP P,IS_LESS
> JP IS_GREATER_OR_EQUAL
>LABEL: JP P,IS_GREATER_OR_EQUAL
>IS_LESS:...
>But this one looks very ugly to me. Does someone know of a shorter and/or
>faster solution?
Let's see. The easiest solution I could think of was something like this:
LD HL,a
LD DE,b
;Remove 8000H bias from signed numbers
LD BC,8000H
ADD HL,BC
EX DE,HL
ADD HL,BC
EX DE,HL
;Now we can do an unsigned compare
AND A ;Clear carry
SBC HL,DE
DONE: ;Carry flag set if a<b
;Zero flag set if a=b
This removes the 8000H bias on signed numbers to make them comparable as
unsigned numbers. However, it is not the shortest/fastest one, and
clobbers BC.
A little thought reveals the removing the bias is not needed if both
numbers have the same sign. And luckily, if they don't, we do already
know the answer (or can find out easily). This leads to
LD HL,a
LD DE,b
;Test signs
LD A,H
XOR D
JP M,DIFSGN
;Equal signs, do an unsigned compare (carry already clear)
SBC HL,DE
JR DONE
DIFSGN: ;Different signs, set up the carry (zero already clear)
LD A,H
RLCA ;Does not modify zero flag
DONE: ;Carry flag set if a<b
;Zero flag set if a=b
But this still does not satisfy me. However, we can employ a trick to
get the carry and zero flags right in case of different signs. If HL has
the negative signed number, it has the greater unsigned number, and the
unsigned subtraction will thus result in a carry set the wrong way.
The same thing happens when DE has the negative signed number. Thus,
in the case of different signs, we just have to reverse the operands to
the compare to get everything right. Or:
LD HL,a
LD DE,b
;Test signs
LD A,H
XOR D
JP P,EQUSGN
;Different signs, have to reverse the operands
EX DE,HL
EQUSGN: ;We can not do an unsigned compare (carry already clear)
SBC HL,DE
DONE: ;Carry flag set if a<b
;Zero flag set if a=b
This is the best I could think of; it uses only 5 instructions for the
actual compare (8 bytes). If anyone knows better, please mail (or post).
--
Luc Rooijakkers Internet: lwj@cs.kun.nl
Faculty of Mathematics and Computer Science UUCP: uunet!cs.kun.nl!lwj
University of Nijmegen, the Netherlands tel. +3180612271
------------------------------
Date: 14 May 90 18:46:43 GMT
From: dev!dgis!tswenson@uunet.uu.net (Timothy Swenson)
Subject: Boot Disk for Dec Rainbow
Message-ID: <868@dgis.dtic.dla.mil>
I have a friend that has a Dec rainbow with out
any boot disk at all. I was hoping someone out there might
be able to help. I believe the rainbow will run both CP/M
and MS-DOS, either one would do. He just want's to get
the thing up and running. Responces can be sent to me.
Thanks in advance.
Tim Swenson
tswenson@dgis.dtic.dla.mil
------------------------------
Date: 14 May 90 05:01:48 GMT
From: bbn.com!gonzalez@apple.com (Jim Gonzalez)
Subject: C Compilers
Message-ID: <56129@bbn.BBN.COM>
A *very* long time ago, I had asked about getting a C compiler for CP/M.
A lot has happened since then, and I now have *two* C compilers.
The first is BDS C, which was produced by Leor Zolman and is now supported
by Jay Sage. I've been told that it's the fastest CP/M-based C compiler
around. I believe it. Certain sacrifices were made, such as the exclusion
of floats and statics, but for cause. The resulting code is small and fast.
$90. I *like* it.
The other compiler is Aztec. For those who may remember, I'd reported that
Manx had dropped their CP/M version, and I was subsequently corrected. The
*correct* phone number is 1-800-221-0440. Their sales manager, Debbie
Hertler, informed me that there is no on-going development, but they are
still distributing the latest version, 1.06D. They are now selling at half
price, so it's only $99.50 for the Developers package, which has everything
but the library source, which is in the $175 Commercial package. The compiler
claims to comply with K&R on everything but bit fields, which I don't use.
The price is paid in speed and space. Compile time is measured in minutes,
compared to BDS C's seconds. Resulting COM files are about twice as big,
and run about 20% slower. Ain't no free lunch.
If you plan to buy a C compiler, and are pressed for cash, go with BDS.
It's faster and more efficient. It is a living product, too, with a real
live contact right on the net :-). It does include a floating point library
that works on character arrays of binary-coded decimal, and appropriate
coding to allow printf to handle them. Not as nice, but it's there.
If you have the bucks, get both. When you want really fast code, you can
use BDS. When you get tired of beating your head against a wall over missing
features, you can switch to Aztec. They both have their place.
Oh, yes. Thanks to all those who responded to my original inquiry. If
anyone has questions about either of these compilers or about the other
suppliers I'd considered, please send email (gonzalez@bbn.com). I know
there are at least one or two other BDS and Aztec users reading this
newsgroup/mailing list, and would be interested in trading war stories.
-Jim.
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 14 May 90 03:00:16 EDT
From: dg%pallio.UUCP@XAIT.Xerox.COM (David Goodenough)
Subject: disk drives
Message-ID: <XX000114d2@pallio.UUCP>
Lance Tagliapietra <ucslct@uwplatt.edu> says:
> Looking at a 3.5in drive here, I would say that the pinout has to be a
> bit different than a 5.25in drive, and the 3.5in drive has no power
> connector like the 5.25in (at least the ones connected to the ps/2's
> here don't).
More food for thought: we recently got a tape backup for one of the AT's
at work, and there was a little adapter widget that plugged onto the
34 pin header on the back of the tape drive. Interesting note: the widget
had both a 34 pin header to attach to the ribbon cable, and the big Molex
4 pin power connector: these spoke to the outside world. However there
was _ONLY_ the 34 pin connector going from the widget to the tape drive.
Add to that, the fact that the two power lines from the Molex (1 and 4)
were wired to pins on the 34 pin connector going to the drive, and I'd
say the connections on this beasite _WERE_ different. According to the
docs it's supposed to replace your B drive, but I don't know how you'd
make a tape drive look like a disk drive to the 765 disk controller chip.
--
dg@pallio.UUCP - David Goodenough +---+
IHS | +-+-+
..... !harvard!xait!pallio!dg +-+-+ |
AKA: dg%pallio.uucp@xait.xerox.com +---+
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Date: 19 Apr 90 14:31:21 GMT
From: usc!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!rpi!uupsi!sunic!dkuug!iddth!ns@ucsd.edu (ns)
Subject: MS-DOS Emulator for CP/M Plus
Message-ID: <1846@iddth.UUCP>
I have made an MS-DOS Emulator for CP/M+, which allows the CP/M+ to
recognize the MS-DOS diskettes. The files on these diskettes can be
read, written, deleted and changed by using CP/M's commands and programs.
The emulator runs only on Commodore 128, but I would like to install it
on other machines also (and to make a version running under CP/M 2.2).
Thank you for your help,
Nicky Sandru | ns@iddth.id.dk
Sandvejen 33 | ns@iddth2.id.dk
DK-3390 Hundested |
DENMARK | +45 47 98 06 27
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Date: 14 May 90 04:25:11 GMT
From: swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!mailrus!bbn.com!gonzalez@ucsd.edu (Jim Gonzalez)
Subject: Need BDOS Call Tables
Message-ID: <56128@bbn.BBN.COM>
I am in the process of hacking a copy of SD122 to work under CDOS. SD122
is version 1.22 of Super Directory, a public-domain disk directory program.
CDOS was Cromemco's standard operating system. CDOS is very much like CP/M,
right down to the memory map and BDOS table. Well, almost. The BDOS table
matches for calls 0x00 through 0x1B and then skips up to 0x80-0x9F. It is
missing things like a call to retrieve user number (0x20), and has a different
call number and format for getting things like the OS version number (0x8D vs.
0x0c). I think this is largely because CDOS was CP/M 1.3 compliant, putting
its own calls well above the customary CP/M entries. It has hooks for neat
things like multi-user operation.
The best CP/M reference I have is _Soul_Of_CP/M_, by Waite and Lafore. They
left out descriptions for half the system calls, implying that things like
set/get user code are not of interest. Very disappointing.
According to the table of CP/M calls provided, the calls go up to 0x24. On
the other hand, the Microsystems pocket guide indicate that the calls go up
to 0x28. SD, unless I'm misreading the disassembly, uses calls 0x2D and
0x2E, as well.
So, could someone post a copy of the latest BDOS call numbers for CP/M and,
perhaps, CDOS? I know that the documentation with this system is out of
sync, ahead of the hardware and behind the software. Thanks.
-Jim.
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Subject: INFO-CPM Digest V90 #86
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INFO-CPM Digest Thu, 17 May 90 Volume 90 : Issue 86
Today's Topics:
488 HD adaptor/controller wanted (2 msgs)
BDOS Replacements
CDOS/CPM emulation software
floppy drive hardware
OKI MSM8532 troubles (old clock/calendar chip)
Where can I get MP/M? (2 msgs)
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Date: 16 May 90 01:51:57 GMT
From: van-bc!rsoft!mindlink!a186@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (Harvey Taylor)
Subject: 488 HD adaptor/controller wanted
Message-ID: <1794@mindlink.UUCP>
Does anybody know of an adaptor or a controller which allows one to put
a hard drive on the IEEE-488 bus? An acquaintance wants to put a hard drive
on the Osborne 488 port.
Is there a commercial product to do such?
Is there a generic product for which he could write a driver?
Any pointers or specific info would be appreciated.
<-Harvey
"The road to excess leads to the palace of wisdom...for we never know what
is enough until we know what is more than enough." -Blake
Harvey Taylor Meta Media Productions
uunet!van-bc!rsoft!mindlink!Harvey_Taylor
a186@mindlink.UUCP
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Date: 17 May 90 19:52:20 GMT
From: usc!samsung!noose.ecn.purdue.edu!mentor.cc.purdue.edu!descartes.math.purdue.edu!wilker@ucsd.edu (Clarence Wilkerson)
Subject: 488 HD adaptor/controller wanted
Message-ID: <10804@mentor.cc.purdue.edu>
I recall having seen an ad for a 488 --> ST506 adaptor on a HALSTEAD or
an ERAC
ad in an old issue of Micro Cornucopia ( about 3 years ago???).
Clarence wilkerson
.
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Date: Thu, 17 May 90 13:01:34 edt
From: <DAN@BSN.MCEO.DG.COM>
Subject: BDOS Replacements
Message-ID: <9005171801.AH00040@adam.DG.COM>
CEO summary:
I have been looking into the BDOS replacements available on Simtel20.
However--I do have some confusion concerning what system would be the
best to go with. For a CCP replacement--the system of choice is
ZCPR3. So a system that works well with ZCPR3 is essential. I would
also like a system that does time stamping of the files--this knocks
out a couple. Some of the contenders seem to be Z80DOS and NovaDOS.
There seems to be more for Z80DOS. What are most people using? Is
there anyone that is using a replacement and ZCPR3 for the QX-10?
Thanks.
dan_zehme@bsn.ceo.dg.com
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Date: 16 May 90 18:37:25 GMT
From: pilchuck!dataio!shiloh!fnx!del@uunet.uu.net (Dag Erik Lindberg)
Subject: CDOS/CPM emulation software
Message-ID: <574@fnx.UUCP>
I have a Cromemco CDOS system that is old, slow, and single density. Since
recently acquiring a fast, dual density CPM system with lots more memory,
I would like to trash the old system. Unfortunately I have a significant
amount of software that requires the additional BDOS calls available under
CDOS.
I remember seeing advertised in old S100 Microsystems issues, an emulator
package that could interpret the CDOS calls on a CPM system. Anybody know
how I could get my hands on this product? Or have another solution to the
problem?
--
del AKA Erik Lindberg
uunet!pilchuck!fnx!del
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Date: 15 May 90 16:15:05 GMT
From: helios.ee.lbl.gov!hellgate.utah.edu!cc.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!slsw2@ucsd.edu (Roger Ivie)
Subject: floppy drive hardware
Message-ID: <24176@cc.usu.edu>
In article <1721@mindlink.UUCP>, a577@mindlink.UUCP (Curt Sampson) writes:
> Apparently the Intel disk controller that IBM used in their original machine is
> not reliable writing and reading 10 sectors per track. So the started out with
> 8, and then moved up to 9. My Kaypro 4, using the Western Digital controller,
> reads/writes 10 sectors/track (400 K/disk) with no problems.
Actually, the problem is in the drive rather than the controller. With
10 sectors per track the drive has to be within 1/2 percent of the spec
rotational speed in order to reliably format a disk. DEC's RX50s (which
use 10 sectors per track) are only speced to 1 percent speed, so you cannot
always format diskettes in an RX50. This is why the Rainbow originally
shipped without a diskette formatter; having a format program did not
guarantee that you could actually format a diskette.
--
===============================================================================
Roger Ivie
35 S 300 W
Logan, Ut. 84321
(801) 752-8633
===============================================================================
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Date: 16 May 90 16:45:58 GMT
From: sumax!amc-gw!sigma!flash!bill@beaver.cs.washington.edu (bill)
Subject: OKI MSM8532 troubles (old clock/calendar chip)
Message-ID: <779@flash.UUCP>
Is anyone using (successfully) the OKI MSM5832 clock/calendar chip?
The one in my 8 year old Alspa Computer CP/M box died late last year,
but I didn't get around to replacing it until several weeks ago. The
new chip (#2) was bad (several things didn't work) so I ordered a
replacement (#3) which seems generally to work, but both #2 and #3
exhibited one common problem:
If the year is set in the 90s, the 10s digit in the month gets
set also (I tried to set month=5, but got back month=15!).
I can live with this problem by setting the years to 00 (for 1990) and
modifying my C/P2DOS/UUCP time functions, but I am curious to know if
others are having this trouble.
--
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Date: 16 May 90 16:41:27 GMT
From: abvax!dah%odin.icd.ab.com@tut.cis.ohio-state.edu (Douglas Henderson)
Subject: Where can I get MP/M?
Message-ID: <1229@abvax.UUCP>
I am looking for a copy of MP/M for an Apple IIe system. Is this
still for sale or is a copy available on the net?
Any help would be appreciated.
Please post to ../uunet/odin/dah
Doug
--
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| 6680 Beta Dr., Mayfield Village, OH 44143 (216) 646-6849 |
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Date: 17 May 90 02:56:31 GMT
From: pacbell.com!pacbell!sactoh0!ianj@ames.arc.nasa.gov (Ian R. Justman)
Subject: Where can I get MP/M?
Message-ID: <3066@sactoh0.UUCP>
In article <1229@abvax.UUCP>, dah@odin.icd.ab.com (Douglas Henderson) writes:
>
> I am looking for a copy of MP/M for an Apple IIe system. Is this
> still for sale or is a copy available on the net?
>
I wish you the absolue best of luck because there is NO such thing
because the Apple II series is not designed to run MP/M (or CP/M
for that matter. I know becuse I have an Apple ][ Plus with a
Microsoft SoftCard and an S-100 bus computer with the necessary
hard- and software to run MP/M. It takes more than software to
get MP/M set up; it takes some more hardware. In my case, my
processor switches between tasks; it's just one Z80 running 3 users.
The Apple, I seriously doubt, could handle that type of load. It
would have to be a concurrent system (several processors running
separate of each other; Applicards, with a little work, would
probably work, but no more than, say 3 or 4 users. Microsoft and
any other systems that take full control of the Apple bus are out
of the question. A footnote to the Applicard method, you have to
have character I/O on each board because if you went through the
Apple keyboard, it would kinda defeat the function of MP/M if
you're wanting multiple users with single tasks; single user with
multiple tasks, now that is different. Yet another footnote on the
SoftCArd and equivalents, that is COMPLETELY out of the question
because those cards require that the Apple have lots of memory,
whereas the Applicards have their own memory and can operate
independantly of the Apple, except for I/O. Plus, the SoftCard is
phase-locked with the Apple's clock and it would be too slow
because the Z80 can only run at 2MHz, and the Applicards have their
own clock and can run up to 6 MHz or 8MHz with a Z80H and a couple
of modifications.
I seem to have rambled on a bit. Have fun, and like I said before,
good luck!!! You're gonna need it!!! (grinsmilegrin)
kkk
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Date: Fri, 18 May 90 13:53:44 MDT
From: INFO-CPM-REQUEST@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL
Reply-To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL
Subject: INFO-CPM Digest V90 #87
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INFO-CPM Digest Fri, 18 May 90 Volume 90 : Issue 87
Today's Topics:
SIMTEL20 Status
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Date: Fri, 18 May 1990 13:36 MDT
From: "Frank J. Wancho" <WANCHO@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL>
Subject: SIMTEL20 Status
Message-ID: <WANCHO.12590728429.BABYL@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL>
Since 1983, SIMTEL20 provided access to network mailboxes for various
users without their own network host. We offer this service to Army,
other DoD services and agencies, and federal agencies, and their
contractors. Until recently, it was possible to provide access to our
actively maintained software collections via FTP and on tape because
we already had that paying customer base to support.
For the past year or so, our paying customer base has dwindled. The
anticipated separate funding for the Ada Software Repository did not
materialize. The local backup funds has finally been exhausted due to
severe cutbacks. Thus, we had to cancel the excellent contractor task
support provided by Rick Conn and Keith Petersen for the maintenance
of our Ada, MSDOS, MISC, CP/M collections and the tape copy service.
This cutback will not affect the independently maintained Unix/C and
Macintosh collections. Access to our collections via conventional
ANONYMOUS FTP and LISTSERV/TRICKLE will also continue.
We always follow up leads on potential new customers. Unfortunately,
none show much promise lately, due to similar severe funding cutbacks
in the respective organizations. We have also been searching for
sources of institutional funding without success.
We understand that many of you consider SIMTEL20 to be a valuable
national and international resource. We planned to greatly expand the
available disk space and improve access to this system through a
proposed connection to NSFNET through WESTNET. We now need your help
in finding unconnected paying mailbox customers and potential
sponsors.
Specifically, we need to provide evidence to our management and
potential sponsors that this service has a real return on investment
and is a valuable resource to the government. Because this is an Army
facility, we need documented proof from those in the Army first. In
particular, we need to know how access to our collections has saved a
tangible amount of money or time to do your job. Be specific, please.
Other DoD services and federal agencies are encouraged to contribute
their proof as well.
If you are a researcher or support researchers on government funded
tasks, can you document savings in cost or time because of your access
here? If you work for a government contractor, check with your
management to see if they would be willing to support similar
documentation.
Please send your statement on your official letterhead and signed by
someone in top management, if possible.
Mail to:
Mr. Elwood Baas
Chief, Operations and Systems Integration Division
Address:
Commander, ISC-White Sands
ASQNC-TWS-S (Bldg. 1408, E. Baas)
White Sands Missile Range
New Mexico 88002-5506
Frank J. Wancho
System Administrator
WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL
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Date: Fri, 18 May 90 21:15:20 MDT
From: INFO-CPM-REQUEST@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL
Reply-To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL
Subject: INFO-CPM Digest V90 #88
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INFO-CPM Digest Fri, 18 May 90 Volume 90 : Issue 88
Today's Topics:
Altos 580 and SmartWatch?
BDOS and CCP Replacements
BDOS Replacements
Demise of Micro Cornucopia--What happened? (3 msgs)
File xfer? Xerox 820-2
Need Boot Disk for HP86B
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Date: 16 May 90 23:39:19 GMT
From: usc!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!sunybcs!nsscb!enigma!ahm@ucsd.edu (Andreas Meyer)
Subject: Altos 580 and SmartWatch?
Message-ID: <13@enigma.UUCP>
Is anyone using a Dallas Semiconductor SmartWatch with an Altos 580?
I've installed one under the boot ROM (a 2732, board loc 11E)
but of course it's swapped out of the address space after the
system comes up. And even if I could make it "come back", I
have no idea where it would show up.
I've found no clues in any of my documentation.
Help?
Thanks,
Andy
--
Andreas Meyer ameyer%nsscb@ulysses.att.com ..att!ulysses!nsscb!ameyer
New theory on StoneHenge: croquet for giants. (You should see the mallets!)
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Date: Fri, 18 May 90 09:53:09 PDT
From: Bridger Mitchell <bridger%monty@rand.org>
Subject: BDOS and CCP Replacements
Message-ID: <9005181653.AA06993@newton>
In reply to dan_zehme@bsn.ceo.dg.com:
The state of the art in CP/M 2.2 BDOS replacements is
the ZSDOS/ZDDOS package. It is fully compatible with ZCPR 3.4 and has
integrated datestamping, internal path searching, fast relogging of
fixed disk media, and excellent utilities.
The state of the art in CP/M command processor is ZCPR 3.4 and its
supporting utilities, available as NZCOM for CP/M 2.2 and Z3PLUS for
CP/M 3.
Both are in use on a wide variety of hardware, reasonably priced and
actively supported by their authors, who can be reached via Z-Nodes:
Ladera (213)-670-9465, Newton Centre (617)-965-7259 (pw: "DDT").
-- bridger mitchell
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Date: 18 May 90 18:27:04 GMT
From: pacbell.com!pacbell!sactoh0!ianj@ames.arc.nasa.gov (Ian R. Justman)
Subject: BDOS Replacements
Message-ID: <3082@sactoh0.UUCP>
In article <9005171801.AH00040@adam.DG.COM>, Dan_Zehme@DGC.MCEO.DG.COM writes:
> Some of the contenders seem to be Z80DOS and NovaDOS.
> There seems to be more for Z80DOS. What are most people using?
> Thanks.
I'm currently using ZCPR33 (you really ought to go with that one
because most of the Z-system utilities are Z33 or better specific).
My BDOS replacement of choice is NovaDOS because if I ever run into
a program that requires ZRDOS compatibility, I'll be ready.
However, if you need timestamping, Z80DOS is your better choice.
Plus, if you decide to go NovaDOS, there are a few slight glitches
in it that Lindsay Haisley (the author) and I have gone through.
You might want to send me email to me at the address below and I'll
tell you what's going on. Like I said, if you don't look forward
to time-stamping, but would like ZRDOS compatibility, NovaDOS is
for you; however if you're planning on doing time-stamping, Z80DOS
is for you.
--
Home: Ian Justman |UUCP: ...!uunet!mmsac or |"One of the few
6612 Whitsett Drive | ...!ucbvax!ucdavis!csusac or |die-hard CP/M
North Highlands, CA | ...{ames, att, sun}!pacbell |addicts left on this
(916) 344-5360 95660| !sactoh0!ijsys!ianj |planet"
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Date: 18 May 90 11:04:36 GMT
From: usc!samsung!munnari.oz.au!metro!bunyip!iceman!zlraa@ucsd.edu (Ross Alford)
Subject: Demise of Micro Cornucopia--What happened?
Message-ID: <811@iceman.jcu.oz>
My user group had a subscription to Micro Cornucopia. Last month,
we got a letter advising us simply that it has ceased publication,
and offering us Computer Language (I think) as a replacement. There
was no explanation, of course. What happened? I have been quite fond
of Micro C's slightly offbeat approach since their early days of Big
Board and Kaypro support, and they were still marginally supporting
CP/M. Anyone know any more? Are the people involved going to start
another journal?
Thanks,
Ross Alford
zlraa@iceman.jcu.oz
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Date: 18 May 90 14:40:52 GMT
From: hub.ucsb.edu!crmeyer@ucsd.edu
Subject: Demise of Micro Cornucopia--What happened?
Message-ID: <5354@hub.ucsb.edu>
-Message-Text-Follows-
In article <811@iceman.jcu.oz>, zlraa@iceman.jcu.oz (Ross Alford) writes...
>
>My user group had a subscription to Micro Cornucopia. Last month,
>we got a letter advising us simply that it has ceased publication,
The last isuue detailed out the reasons for the demise of Micro C.
It was not for lack of subscriptions (it was as popluar as ever). The
creator and editor finally burned out over his entire life dedicated to
puiblishing the mag. Several groups expressed interrest in continuing it,
but financing and concerns over continuing quality of the mag caused
the editor to not appove any deals. I am particulary sad over loosing such a
good, creative tech journal. What other magazine had a technician on duty for
answering questions?
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Date: 19 May 90 02:35:54 GMT
From: budden@nosc.mil (Rex A. Buddenberg)
Subject: Demise of Micro Cornucopia--What happened?
Message-ID: <2323@nosc.NOSC.MIL>
Ross,
uC was folded quite deliberately because Dave Thompson simply burned out.
Read his editorial in the last issue. Dave's been running the mag
with pretty low overhead and a lot of personal attention for 9 years
and he needed a break (I can sympathize). Due to his very personal
touch, you just can't hire another editor and expect the rag to look
anywhere near the same.
I'm sorry to see it go, but looking back, the hints were there
when Dave quit hosting the SOGs at Bend.
Rex Buddenberg
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Date: 18 May 90 05:18:41 GMT
From: rti!jb@mcnc.org (Jeff Bartlett)
Subject: File xfer? Xerox 820-2
Message-ID: <3832@rtifs1.UUCP>
In article <ee89e4c90e2226450904@canremote.uucp>, scott.gregory@canremote.uucp (SCOTT GREGORY) writes:
> I recently acquired a Xerox 820-II with eight inch floppy drives. ...
> .... I know that these drives spin constantly and am wondering if there
> is a way/circuit to stop it, ie. to have them spin up only when accessing.
> I saw something to this effect recently posted from an old Microcornucopia
> (sp?) magasine, but wonder if anyone here has done the same or has a MC
> magasine from 1975 that they could look up. ......
>
> Scott Gregory
> scott.gregory@canremote.uucp
Well,
The one I now own (bought it from a co-worker) has a board in it
that stops the disks from spinning after about 30 seconds of idle time.
It is a "Disk Control Unit" from
Optronics Technology
PO Box 81
Pittsford N.Y. 14534
(716) 377 0369
The kit assembly manual/leaflet is copyright 1983 and says:
"5. Compatible with all popular 8" drives, standard CP/M and
other operating systems."
"7. Auxillary input provided for use on the Ferguson Big Board
or other systems which provide disk on-off signal."
Circuit contains a 555 timer, opto-isolator, triac, etc.
The manual gives the sequence of operations for soldering the parts
into the board and splicing into the 820's wiring.
You could try contacting them or you might find one in some other
piece of equipment.
Jeff Bartlett, Research Engineer
Center for Digital Systems Research
Research Triangle Institute jb@rti.rti.org ... mcnc!rti!jb
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Date: 17 May 90 19:32:35 GMT
From: umigw!mthvax!dnelson@handies.ucar.edu (Dru Nelson)
Subject: Need Boot Disk for HP86B
Message-ID: <1990May17.193235.21077@mthvax.cs.miami.edu>
I know someone who is in desparate need for a boot disk for a
Hewlett Packard 86b CPM computer.
Please mail to this account if you can help.
Thank you,
--
%% Dru Nelson %% Miami, FL %% Internet: dnelson@mthvax.cs.miami.edu %%
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Date: Mon, 21 May 90 04:15:21 MDT
From: INFO-CPM-REQUEST@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL
Reply-To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL
Subject: INFO-CPM Digest V90 #89
To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL
Message-ID: <900521041522.V90N89@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL>
INFO-CPM Digest Mon, 21 May 90 Volume 90 : Issue 89
Today's Topics:
488 HD adaptor/controller wanted
Alternative PD Sources? (3 msgs)
floppy drive hardware
Kaypro Termcap
What Happened to Micro C?
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Date: 20 May 90 12:32:00 GMT
From: dsl.pitt.edu!pitt!darth!insight!bhh@PT.CS.CMU.EDU (Brian Hughes)
Subject: 488 HD adaptor/controller wanted
Message-ID: <61.26578370@insight.FIDONET.ORG>
> Is there a commercial product to do such?
> Is there a generic product for which he could
> write a driver?
> Any pointers or specific info would be
> appreciated.
> <-Harvey
> "The road to excess leads to the palace of
> wisdom...for we never know what
> is enough until we know what is more than enough."
> -Blake
> Harvey Taylor Meta Media Productions
> uunet!van-bc!rsoft!mindlink!Harvey_Taylor
> a186@mindlink.UUCP
Harvey,
I once had a Design One hard disk on my Ozzie that was connected via the 488 port. The outfit was in Silver Spring, Maryland - just north of Wsahington, DC. Three years ago they were still in business supporting their old hardware. If you could find someone with the pinouts and the boot disk, you should be able to make it. The HD was a standard full height st-506 type drive (20 mg.) Way back when it cost $3500.00. Those were the days...
--
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UUCP : ..pitt!darth!insight!bhh
: ..{psuvax1|decvax|cadre|}!idis!insight!bhh
: bhh@insight.fidonet.org
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Date: 20 May 90 16:35:53 GMT
From: bbn.com!gonzalez@think.com (Jim Gonzalez)
Subject: Alternative PD Sources?
Message-ID: <56407@bbn.BBN.COM>
Now that the CP/M archives at SIMTEL20 are going away, I'm searching for
alternative sources of PD software.
I've had mixed results with the Boston Computer Society ZI/TEL library,
since all of its disks are customized for Kaypro and the sources are
frequently left out.
Leor Zolman, in his BDS C manual, explicitly points users to the C Users'
Group as a good source of inexpensive software. Annual membership is $28,
including a subscription to the C Users Journal. This entitles you to
access to over 300 volumes (diskettes) of PD software, including Small C.
They include diskettes of software specifically coded for BDS C. They also
sell a two-volume directory, for $18, describing the contents of each volume
and the compilers known to handle them. For anyone interested, an packet of
information canbe obtainedby contacting:
The C Users' Group
2601 Iowa Street
Lawrence, KS 66047
913-841-1631
Has anyone gotten software from these folk? How about the index? Is it
really worth the money?
-Jim.
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Date: Sun, 20 May 1990 13:29 MDT
From: "Frank J. Wancho" <WANCHO@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL>
Subject: Alternative PD Sources?
Message-ID: <WANCHO.12591251415.BABYL@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL>
Jim,
Perhaps you misread what I wrote. The collections will remain here as
well as access to them. What we were forced to drop is contracted
maintenance of the Ada, MSDOS, and CP/M collections, i.e., keeping
them current. In fact the maintainer of the Ada collection has
volunteered to continue maintaining that collection on his own. The
CP/M collection has been fairly static for quite some time. It is the
high volume of turnover in the MSDOS collection that will be a problem
to keep current. We already have a part-time volunteer to help, but
without Keith Petersen, it will not be the same.
To paraphrase Mark Train, the reports of the death of SIMTEL20 are
greatly exaggerated.
--Frank
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Date: 19 May 90 23:13:55 GMT
From: van-bc!rsoft!mindlink!a577@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (Curt Sampson)
Subject: Alternative PD Sources?
Message-ID: <1833@mindlink.UUCP>
> gonzalez@bbn.com writes:
>
> Now that the CP/M archives at SIMTEL20 are going away, I'm searching for
> alternative sources of PD software.
What? I never even heard about this. When are they going, and where are they
going to? It would be a shame for them to disappear completely. I know a
couple of people in this area who might be interested in hanging on to them,
for at least local access. Is there any chance that I could get ahold of them
on magtape or something like that? All replies via email, please.
-cjs ( Curt_Sampson@mindlink.UUCP )
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Date: 20 May 90 19:58:26 GMT
From: mcsun!unido!balu!tilmann%cosmo.UUCP@uunet.uu.net (Tilmann Reh)
Subject: floppy drive hardware
Message-ID: <5711@balu.UUCP>
Hello again.
Roger Ivie writes:
> Actually, the problem is in the drive rather than the controller. With
> 10 sectors per track the drive has to be within 1/2 percent of the spec
> rotational speed in order to reliably format a disk. DEC's RX50s (which
Well, he's quite near reality. But, after looking at the spec's of the 765
I found that 10x 512 Byte ARE POSSIBLE with rotational speed errors of 2 %,
fully within specs and with great enough gaps. BTW, 11 sectors are NOT
allowed.
But, as I mentioned in my last message, WHO DID EVER FORBID SECTOR SIZES
OTHER THAN 512 BYTE ???? Using 1k Sectors you get greater capacities, less
gap loss and a speed factor of TWO within sequential access. Why, I really
ask WHY DOES NOONE KNOW ABOUT THAT? Have a look at the Osborne's!
Last (not least), I have to mention that the 765 FDC is better than the WD
controllers. It does handle four drives without software overhead, and the
interfaces to both CPU and FDC are very simple. The software expense for
getting things working is smaller, as you don't have to fool around with
the bits on disk (when formatting, for example)...
BTW, did you ever hear of the 37 C 65 (from WD and SMC) ? It's fully compatible
to 765, but includes two clock osc, FDD decoder, 48 mA drivers and PLL.
It is just connected to FDD and CPU bus and works! Packaged in DIP 40
and PLCC 44 cases. I'm using it in my last project (a Z280 single europe card
computer) with great effort. Fine chip, better than every WD x79x !
Greetings, Tilmann
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Date: 19 May 90 01:43:16 GMT
From: van-bc!rsoft!mindlink!a577@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (Curt Sampson)
Subject: Kaypro Termcap
Message-ID: <1828@mindlink.UUCP>
A couple of people expressed interest in a termcap for a Kaypro a while back.
There are two versions here, for the non-graphics (1983) Kaypros and for the
graphics (1984) Kaypros. They should work just fine, but of course I don't
guarentee anything. And no, the 500 ms. delay on the clear screen command is
not a typo. The Kaypro 4 ('84) really does need it, even at 1200 baud!
-----8<-----8<-----8<-----8<---- CUT HERE ----8<-----8<-----8<-----8<-----
k4|kp84|Kaypro84:am:bs:co#80:li#24:cl=500^Z:cm=\E=%+ %+ :nd=^L:up=^K
:ho=^^:ce=^X:cd=^W:al=\ER:dl=\EE
:so=\EB0\EB1:se=\EC0\EC1:us=\EB3:ue=\EC3
:kl=^H:kr=^L:ku=^K:kd=^J
k3|kp83|Kaypro83:so@:se@:us@:ue@:tc=kp84
-----8<-----8<------8<-----8<---- CUT HERE ----8<-----8<-----8<-----8<-----
-cjs ( Curt_Sampson@mindlink.UUCP )
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Date: 18 May 90 16:18:04 GMT
From: rzh@lll-lcc.llnl.gov (Roger Hanscom)
Subject: What Happened to Micro C?
Message-ID: <2820@lll-lcc.UUCP>
Ross Alford (zlraa@iceman.jcu.oz) asks:
| My user group had a subscription to Micro Cornucopia. Last month,
| we got a letter advising us simply that it has ceased publication,
| and offering us Computer Language (I think) as a replacement. There
| was no explanation, of course. What happened? I have been quite fond
| of Micro C's slightly offbeat approach since their early days of Big
| Board and Kaypro support, and they were still marginally supporting
| CP/M. Anyone know any more? Are the people involved going to start
| another journal?
From what was written in the letter and final issue of the magazine,
I'd have to surmise that Dave Thompson (the Editor) suffered a rather
severe case of burn-out. He seems to have lost all desire to continue
with MicroC. No, they claim that there are no plans to start another
journal. They are selling off back issues, some equipment, etc. It
looks final. Bummer!
roger rzh@lll-lcc.llnl.gov
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Date: Tue, 22 May 90 10:32:58 MDT
From: INFO-CPM-REQUEST@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL
Reply-To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL
Subject: INFO-CPM Digest V90 #90
To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL
Message-ID: <900522103258.V90N90@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL>
INFO-CPM Digest Tue, 22 May 90 Volume 90 : Issue 90
Today's Topics:
floppy drive hardware
Interrupt driven terminal I/O for Kaypro wanted
SIMTEL20 task termination
Xerox 820 serial port
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Date: 22 May 90 03:14:59 GMT
From: sci34hub!cdthq!gary@uunet.uu.net (gary)
Subject: floppy drive hardware
Message-ID: <oVyJJ1w161w@cdthq>
tilmann@cosmo.UUCP (Tilmann Reh) writes:
> But, as I mentioned in my last message, WHO DID EVER FORBID SECTOR SIZES
> OTHER THAN 512 BYTE ???? Using 1k Sectors you get greater capacities, less
> gap loss and a speed factor of TWO within sequential access. Why, I really
> ask WHY DOES NOONE KNOW ABOUT THAT? Have a look at the Osborne's!
Nobody forbids that, and many 8" DD formats used 1K sectors. The problem
is memory space for buffers. Most CP/M machines were squeezing hard to
get things to fit and leave room for some applications programs, too.
Doubling all the disc buffers would have been prohibitively expensive
in terms of a scarce resource.
BTW, the original floppy formats used 256 byte sectors, as I recall...
Gary Heston, at home.....
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Date: 21 May 90 07:34:55 GMT
From: samsung!cs.utexas.edu!ut-emx!lcra!mike@think.com (Mike O'Donnell)
Subject: Interrupt driven terminal I/O for Kaypro wanted
Message-ID: <8621@lcra.uucp>
Does anyone have a simple interrupt-driven dumb terminal
program for a Kaypro? I would like to use it occasionally
as a terminal at 9600. Or does anyone have any interrupt
driven I/O routines that I can use for this purpose and
link them either with C80 or the Lattice LZ80 cross
compiler? Thanks
Mike O'Donnell
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Date: 19 May 90 13:39:24 GMT
From: nelson@sun.soe.clarkson.edu (Russ Nelson)
Subject: SIMTEL20 task termination
Message-ID: <900519133924.nelson@sun.soe.clarkson.edu>
w8sdz@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL (Keith Petersen) writes:
Today I received word that my task of maintaining the SIMTEL20
archives is to be terminated effective May 25, 1990, because of
budget cuts.
Instead of all giving Keith our condolences, why don't we get off our butts
and contact our congressmen? If they can talk about funding a high speed
national network, then they can surely talk about funding a national software
library.
--
--russ (nelson@clutx [.bitnet | .clarkson.edu]) Russ.Nelson@$315.268.6667
Violence never solves problems, it just changes them into more subtle problems
------------------------------
Date: 21 May 90 17:18:08 GMT
From: oliveb!pyramid!hholzsch@apple.com (Henk Holzscherer)
Subject: Xerox 820 serial port
Message-ID: <113592@pyramid.pyramid.com>
On the back of my Xerox 820 is a DB25 connector which I assume is a serial
port. I am trying to PIP files through this port but am having trouble
figuring out what the device name to address this port is. A "stat dev:"
only lists the devices:
CON:
RDR:
PUN:
LST:
I have tried using these device names in the PIP command but nothing seems
to work the way I expect. I also tried "PIP AUX:=B:filename" but only got
an invalid device message back.
Can someone please suggest to me how to address this port. Also, if I
need to setup baud rate, parity, etc. on this port, how do I do that?
Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks.
-m-------- Henk Holzscherer
---mmm------ hholzsch@pyrhard2.pyramid.com
-----mmmmm---- Work: (415)335-8698
-------mmmmmmm-- Home: (415)854-8689
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Subject: INFO-CPM Digest V90 #91
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INFO-CPM Digest Thu, 24 May 90 Volume 90 : Issue 91
Today's Topics:
(Tiny-) BASIC for PC-8401BD wanted
floppy drive hardware (2 msgs)
Free CP/M machine - NJ only
Need boot disk for Apple II Softcard
SuperCalc2 for a Kaypro.
The Computer Journal
Xerox 820 serial port?
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Date: 22 May 90 19:38:17 GMT
From: pacific.mps.ohio-state.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!usc!snorkelwacker!ira.uka.de!smurf!nadia!andreas@tut.cis.ohio-state.edu (Andreas Harfst)
Subject: (Tiny-) BASIC for PC-8401BD wanted
Message-ID: <1131@nadia.stgt.sub.org>
Hi CP/M Folks out there !
I just bought an used "so called" Laptop :-) NEC PC-8401BD
It has 32k RAM & 32k RAM-Disk, serial and parallel Interface,
several ROM-Programs (Filer, Wordstar, Terminalprg, Spreadsheet)
Its fine, but i can't do ANY programming on it - no Asm/Debug/Language
at all. So perhaps someone can help me get (for ex.) al little BASIC or so.
Please Email me or post it. (Thinking of MS-DOS/UNIX connecting to Rs232c
an loading into RAM-Disk)
THANKS VERY MUCH in advantance
--
Email: andreas@nadia.stgt.sub.org
Snail: Andreas Harfst, Burgstrasse 61, D-7000 Stuttgart 80, West Germany
Phone: *45 711 6875001 Answering Machine 24h
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Date: Wed, 23 May 90 03:00:16 EDT
From: dg%pallio.UUCP@XAIT.Xerox.COM (David Goodenough)
Subject: floppy drive hardware
Message-ID: <XX00011533@pallio.UUCP>
mcsun!unido!balu!tilmann%cosmo.UUCP@uunet.uu.net (Tilmann Reh) says:
> Last (not least), I have to mention that the 765 FDC is better than the WD
> controllers. It does handle four drives without software overhead,
So does the 1793. At least the 1793 in my Televideo 803 seems to talk quite
happily to all four drives attached.
> and the
> interfaces to both CPU and FDC are very simple. The software expense for
> getting things working is smaller,
Here I have to disagree. I've worked with both the 1793, and the 765, and the
software overhead for the 765 is way higher than that for the 1793.
> as you don't have to fool around with
> the bits on disk (when formatting, for example)...
Fooling with the bits _DOES_ have it's advantages :-)
I've been reading the discussion about just how much you can actually fit
on a DS DD disk with various controllers with quite a grin. With a 1793
is _IS_ possible to get the equivalent of 11 * 512 byte sectors on one
track, in tests I've had it working. You put 5 * 1K (10 * 512), plus a
single 512 byte sector in the space left over. One of the nice things
about the 1793 is that you can get right inside it's mind: a read track
operation just sits there and reads _EVERYTHING_ - gaps, address headers,
data, CRC bytes, the works. [1] So you put 5 * 1k on there, do a read track,
and find about 680 to 700 bytes left over: plenty of space for a 512 byte
sector to snuggle into.
[1] this also makes it infinitely superior for doing error recovery - a
read track _CAN'T_ bitch about bad CRC's since it ignores them.
> Fine chip, better than every WD x79x !
I'll agree with that when I see it put 440K on a DS DD floppy.
--
dg@pallio.UUCP - David Goodenough +---+
IHS | +-+-+
..... !harvard!xait!pallio!dg +-+-+ |
AKA: dg%pallio.uucp@xait.xerox.com +---+
------------------------------
Date: 23 May 90 20:01:42 GMT
From: eru!luth!sunic!mcsun!unido!balu!tilmann%cosmo.UUCP@BLOOM-BEACON.MIT.EDU (Tilmann Reh)
Subject: floppy drive hardware
Message-ID: <5713@balu.UUCP>
gary@cdthq (Gary Heston) writes:
> Nobody forbids that, and many 8" DD formats used 1K sectors. The problem
> is memory space for buffers. Most CP/M machines were squeezing hard to
> get things to fit and leave room for some applications programs, too.
> Doubling all the disc buffers would have been prohibitively expensive
> in terms of a scarce resource.
Well, at that point you should have a look at CP/M Plus (or other modern,
banked systems). We are talking about which format to choose NOW, not about
the reasons our grandfathers got choosing small sectors.
The 64180 system I use now leaves a TPA of 61.25 K (BDOS entry at F500), and
the new Z280 system I'm programming now has 62 K (BDOS at F800). I certainly
will reprogram the resident BDOS part to fit into 2 pages (instead of 6), so
my TPA will be 63 K (BDOS at FC00).
BTW, there are 256 K of system memory used for hashing and buffering, but this
has absolutely no influence on TPA size. That's what banks are for...
In fact, I don't see ANY REASON for using smaller sectors!
> BTW, the original floppy formats used 256 byte sectors, as I recall...
Sorry. The original floppy format was 8" SD with 26 128-byte sectors. That is
the reason why a 'logical record' is still 128 byte (not only with CP/M).
Tilmann Reh (also at home)
------------------------------
Date: 21 May 90 23:41:40 GMT
From: hercules!fernwood!portal!cup.portal.com!Azog-Thoth@apple.com (William Thomas Daugustine)
Subject: Free CP/M machine - NJ only
Message-ID: <30113@cup.portal.com>
Please pardon the wide distribution, but I dont know the dist for
NJ only. If you must flame me, be so kinda as to tell me what it is!
Anyways:
I have a CP/M machine, that I need to get rid of. Why? I dont use it,
and its taking up some room I need. Its fairly large, stands about
4' tall, 2' wide and deep, and is on wheels.
Its a genuinly unique system: a prototype build cira 1979, but didnt
make it too production. I have -all- the manuals, tech notes, engineer
blue-printer, etc etc etc, for it. Its a complete working system
(probably built for commercial or environmental applications, due to
its packaging)
Some specs:
Two Shugart SA801 8" SSSD drives, 8080 CPU (2MHz I think), 48k RAM (but
dont hold me too that, it may have a full 64k). It has a front panel
to put to shame the IMSAI: a 16 digit keypad, a full address and data
7-segment display, various buttons and toggles. It has two monitors:
one is a full screen, 14" or so monitor. The other is a 5" screen,
which varies depending upon function (real-time debugging or diagnostic
codes).
Along with all the disks, and manuals, I have a full set of buss-cards
that go with it. BTW: this is not an S-100 buss.
As I said, free to the first taker, with one catch: You pick it
up at my house in NJ. I -cannot- ship this unit, due to its sheer
size.
More details if you call voice, or mail back
Billy D'Augustine
Azog-Thoth@cup.portal.com
(201)989-8161 after 7pm weekdays
------------------------------
Date: 18 May 90 04:23:45 GMT
From: ucrmath!kevin@ucsd.edu (peter kevin lund)
Subject: Need boot disk for Apple II Softcard
Message-ID: <6431@ucrmath.UCR.EDU>
Well the title pretty much says it all; I have a Softcard but no
software! If this is still live, sold software, does anybody have a
copy to sell? And if not, would somebody be willing to make a copy
for me?
And, on another note, I have a couple of Osbornes without video
connectors to enable the internal monitors (seems I'm a bit short
all around lately...). I understand that all I have to do is connect
the upper traces on the connector to the lower ones but want to
verify this before I actually attempt it...
Thanks!
Kevin
kevin@ucrmath.ucr.edu
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 23 May 90 6:38:37 EDT
From: "Paul V. Pullen" <pvpullen@CRDEC2.APGEA.ARMY.MIL>
Subject: SuperCalc2 for a Kaypro.
Message-ID: <9005230638.aa02067@CRDEC2.APGEA.ARMY.MIL>
Is there a reader of this network that has a copy of SuperCalc2 for a Kaypro
that runs under CP/M 2.2 that is not using the software and is interested in
getting rid of it? I have three copies of this software at our laboratory
here in Edgewood Arsenal that is pre-configured for a Superbrain, and just
tried to get the translation from Sorcim(Computer Associates) to enable it
to run on a Kaypro1. Ironically, one copy has never had the original disk
envelope seal broken. It was like talking to a brick wall at CA. I don't
think they even know what SuperCalc2 is. (If its number is less than 5, it
never existed.)
I am in the process of trying to find the clear screen pointer in the code.
It does seem to operate properly on the Kaypro, but willnot clear the screen.
Any help would be appreciated.
Paul Pullen
----------------------------------
Paul Pullen
United States Army Chemical Research, Development and Engineering Center
pvpullen@crdec2.apgea.army.mil
(301) 671-2519 /(301) 671-4174
----------------------------------
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 23 May 90 12:19:33 EDT
From: "Paul V. Pullen" <pvpullen@CRDEC2.APGEA.ARMY.MIL>
Subject: The Computer Journal
Message-ID: <9005231219.aa17609@CRDEC2.APGEA.ARMY.MIL>
Does anyone have an address for the magazine The Computer Journal and a list
of subscription costs? If so, please send it to me at the address below.
Thanks,
Paul Pullen
----------------------------------
Paul Pullen
United States Army Chemical Research, Development and Engineering Center
pvpullen@crdec2.apgea.army.mil
(301) 671-2519 /(301) 671-4174
----------------------------------
------------------------------
Date: 23 May 90 21:31:58 GMT
From: nsc!pyramid!hholzsch@decwrl.dec.com (Henk Holzscherer)
Subject: Xerox 820 serial port?
Message-ID: <113837@pyramid.pyramid.com>
On the back of my Xerox 820 is a DB25 connector which I assume is a serial
port. I am trying to PIP files through this port but am having trouble
figuring out what the device name to address this port is. A "stat dev:"
only lists the devices:
CON:
RDR:
PUN:
LST:
I have tried using these device names in the PIP command but nothing seems
to work the way I expect. I also tried "PIP AUX:=B:filename" but only got
an invalid device message back.
Can someone please suggest to me how to address this port. Also, if I
need to setup baud rate, parity, etc. on this port, how do I do that?
Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks.
-m-------- Henk Holzscherer
---mmm------ hholzsch@pyrhard2.pyramid.com
-----mmmmm---- Work: (415)335-8698
-------mmmmmmm-- Home: (415)854-8689
------------------------------
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Date: Fri, 25 May 90 00:24:28 MDT
From: INFO-CPM-REQUEST@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL
Reply-To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL
Subject: INFO-CPM Digest V90 #92
To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL
Message-ID: <900525002429.V90N92@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL>
INFO-CPM Digest Fri, 25 May 90 Volume 90 : Issue 92
Today's Topics:
Corrected: installing a hard disk
getting started
installing a hard disk
SIMTELS ZCPR3 FILES
The Computer Journal
Xerox 820... upgrade to DS/DD.
Xerox 820 serial port?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Date: 21 May 90 16:08:18 GMT
From: tiamat!chromc!dynasys!fedeva!premise!stone@uunet.uu.net (Jonathan Stone)
Subject: Corrected: installing a hard disk
Message-ID: <332@premise.ZONE1.COM>
Apologies for previous garbled message.
Hello world. Does anyone know how to install a hard disk (10 - 20Mb)
to a CP/M Kaypro II?
--
Steve Adams
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
OOOOOOO ~ Steve Adams
OOOO OOOO ~ 1 New England Executive Park
OOOOO OOOOO ~ Burlington, MA 01803 USA
OOOO OOOO ~ (617) 270-9797
OOOOOOO bject Design Inc. ~ adams@odi.com or uunet!odi!adams
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
------------------------------
Date: 25 May 90 04:37:48 GMT
From: snoopy!tomf@boulder.colorado.edu (FREDERICKS THOMAS M)
Subject: getting started
Message-ID: <21545@boulder.Colorado.EDU>
I was recently given a televideo 803 running cp/m. How can I get
software to it. I have it hooked up to my Ibm directly to the
serial port and I don't know how to copy files from the serial
port to the cpm machine. Is there a good term program that can
be typed in or something?
Thanks,
Tom...
------------------------------
Date: 21 May 90 16:02:27 GMT
From: tiamat!chromc!dynasys!fedeva!premise!stone@uunet.uu.net (Jonathan Stone)
Subject: installing a hard disk
Message-ID: <331@premise.ZONE1.COM>
to a CP/M Kaypro II?
--
Steve Adams
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
OOOOOOO ~ Steve Adams
OOOO OOOO ~ 1 New England Executive Park
OOOOO OOOOO ~ Burlington, MA 01803 USA
OOOO OOOO ~ (617) 270-9797
OOOOOOO bject Design Inc. ~ adams@odi.com or uunet!odi!adams
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 24 May 90 09:12 EDT
From: "Bill Weinel" <WWH%NCCIBM1.BITNET@ncsuvm.ncsu.edu>
Subject: SIMTELS ZCPR3 FILES
> I'm trying to find the Simtel20 files that contain zcpr3. A readme file
> in this directory says they are in PD:<ZSYS>. I can't cd to it. Must be
> doing something stupid. Any help would be appreciated.
> Steve
Steve,
I think the problem is that your requesting the directory. The one
you need is PD2:<CPM.ZCPR33> or PD2:<CPM.ZCPR3>. The first one contains
all the latest ZCPR3 related files.. the second only contains a READ.ME.
You might wat to ask for PD2.<CPM.FILEDOCS>SIMCPM.ARK which contains the
latest listing of the entire library with file descriptions in an
ARC/ARK format. It's usually updated once a month. If you don't have
access to a un-ARKer program, request PD2:<CPM.FILEDOCS>SIMCPM.IDX and
PD2:<CPM.FILEDOCS>SIMCVT.BAS which is the index file and a basic
conversion to convert it into human readable form. I hope this info
will be of some help to you. Have a good day...
TWYL Bill W.
------------------------------
Date: 24 May 90 13:51:49 GMT
From: usc!bbn.com!gonzalez@ucsd.edu (Jim Gonzalez)
Subject: The Computer Journal
Message-ID: <56601@bbn.BBN.COM>
In article <9005231219.aa17609@CRDEC2.APGEA.ARMY.MIL> Paul V. Pullen writes:
>Does anyone have an address for the magazine The Computer Journal and a list
>of subscription costs? If so, please send it to me at the address below.
The Computer Journal
190 Sullivan Crossroad
Columbia Falls, MT 59912
Cost is $18 per year (6 issues), or $32 for two years (12 issues). Jay Sage
has been offering a $2 discount on the annual subscription if it is ordered
via his Z-Node BBS (617-965-7259, MABOS outdial on PC-Pursuit).
-Jim.
------------------------------
Date: 24 May 90 14:48:14 GMT
From: usc!cs.utexas.edu!texbell!nuchat!sugar!ficc!peter@ucsd.edu (Peter da Silva)
Subject: Xerox 820... upgrade to DS/DD.
Message-ID: <R4O3.V2@xds13.ferranti.com>
I have a Xerox 820 with 2 SS/DD drives. Can I just get a couple of cheapy
IBM-PC 360K drives and stick them in there to get DS/DD, or is there some
magic juju involved? The init program knows about DS/DD formats.
Also, is there a faster copy program than COPY for CP/M? I'm tired of
copying this stuff a track at a time. The interleave seems to be hosed,
too, because it takes simply forever to copy a track.
--
`-_-' Peter da Silva. +1 713 274 5180. <peter@ficc.ferranti.com>
'U` Have you hugged your wolf today? <peter@sugar.hackercorp.com>
@FIN Dirty words: Zhghnyyl erphefvir vayvar shapgvbaf.
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Date: 25 May 90 03:47:26 GMT
From: unmvax!ariel!carina.unm.edu!cs2591aq@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (aNk1ez)
Subject: Xerox 820 serial port?
Message-ID: <2862@ariel.unm.edu>
If your X820's CP/M is set up right, that com port is PUN: for output and
RDR: for input.. if it's not, well... bummer.. if you've got a baud rate
changer program for that port, try that.. I've got one hidden on some disk
somehwere...
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Date: Thu, 24 May 90 14:48:16 EST
From: SAGE@LL.LL.MIT.EDU
Jim Gonzales asked about sources for CP/M software. I had also
misunderstood Frank Wancho's message about the status of SIMTEL20 and
was glad to see the clarification. I know lots of places to get the
latest software but very few places to get archival material.
There are hundred of remote access systems in North America that
can be contacted by modem. Every month a listing is published in a
file called RCPMyymm.LST. [This and other files listed here may
appear in compressed forms of various sorts, so don't look for the
exact file type that I give.] Of course, you have to know of a RAS to
start with to get this list, but then you will have access to a great
number of systems.
Two special telephone data services can help keep phone bills under
control: PC-Pursuit and StarLink. Both of these services provide off-
hours access to commercial data communications channels. With PC-
Pursuit, for example, you pay a flat rate of $30 per month, for which
you are allowed 30 hours of access at speeds up to 2400 bps to about
40 cities served by PCP. StarLink costs less per month but charges
for each hour of access, but much less than standard voice phone
rates. It offers access to far more cities than does PCP.
Two other important sources of public-domain CP/M software are
GEnie and CompuServe. Both maintain extensive archives, and both work
quite hard to maintain current listings.
For sources of commercial CP/M software, people should consult
either of two listings that are posted from time to time on remote
access systems. They have names like CPMSRC-#.LST (CP/M Sources) and
CPMSVL-#.LBR (CP/M Software Vendor List). The number symbol here
stands for a version letter. The people who compile these lists try
hard to verify periodically that the vendors are still in business and
still offering the products listed.
SIG/M (Special Interest Group / Microcomputers) used to compile
public-domain software into disk volumes for regular release. People
without modems could purchase these diskettes. However, SIG/M ceased
activities a couple of years ago. Recently, Chris McEwen, Bill
Tishey, and I have teamed up to offer a similar service for Z-System
software. The service is called Z-SUS (Z-System Software Update
Service). It offers several special collections of files (for
example, one comprises more than 300 programs in executable form,
i.e., COM files) and a regular subscription service that brings you
the latest releases that appear on Z-Nodes. Five or six volumes have
now been released. You may contact me for further information. If
you leave a mailing address, I will send you some material about Z-
SUS.
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Date: Sat, 26 May 90 14:15:10 MDT
From: INFO-CPM-REQUEST@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL
Reply-To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL
Subject: INFO-CPM Digest V90 #93
To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL
Message-ID: <900526141512.V90N93@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL>
INFO-CPM Digest Sat, 26 May 90 Volume 90 : Issue 93
Today's Topics:
180/280 bare boards
CPM on the C128
floppy drive hardware (2 msgs)
S-100 backplane
SuperCalc2 for a Kaypro.
The Computer Journal
Xerox 820... upgrade to DS/DD
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Date: 25 May 90 16:51:44 GMT
From: swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!samsung!noose.ecn.purdue.edu!mentor.cc.purdue.edu!hopf.math.purdue.edu!wilker@ucsd.edu (Clarence Wilkerson)
Subject:
Message-ID: <11041@mentor.cc.purdue.edu>
I agree that modem access is pretty good nation wide, but in a
rural area like Indiana, the access to local CPM BBS's is not
great. Hence for those of use with FTP access, SIMTEL20 is an
unique resource. As far as I know, other sites do not mirror
the SIMTEL20 CP/M directories.
------------------------------
Date: 26 May 90 19:37:38 GMT
From: mcsun!unido!balu!tilmann%cosmo.UUCP@uunet.uu.net (Tilmann Reh)
Subject: 180/280 bare boards
Message-ID: <5716@balu.UUCP>
wilker@hopf.math.purdue.edu (Clarence Wilkerson) writes:
> Are there any cheap "bare board" kits for 64180's or Z280's out there,
> say less than $50 for a PCB?
> CT' mag in Germany used to sell this kind of stuff,
Well, c't went the way most mag's do today: Everything that is Messydos is
HEAVEN and everything else (especially CP/M) is HELL. Last few issues, they
even bashed CP/M in *every* editorial. Hard- and software articles about
Z80/180/280 and CP/M weren't published for a long time, and (I guess) will
never be again.
But there are some CP/M groups here in germany being still active with hard-
and software. For example, I just designed a Z280 single board (europe card)
computer capable of running CP/M+ without externals (Power, floppy and
terminal, of course). Fits onto ECB bus (64-pin VG connector), and contains
64/128K EPROM, 512K/1/2/4M DRAM, FDC, RTC, NVRAM, 2x RS-232. Clock speed
12.288 MHz, as soon as 12.5 MHz CPU is available. Meanwhile 9.8304 MHz.
CPU runs with 16-Bit Z-BUS, the DRAM circuit supports 'Burst Mode'.
The prototype board works very well, I'm now implementing my (180-proven)
autoformat-BIOS for CP/M+ and re-layouting the PCB.
Cost of the 'naked' PCB is supposed to be under $50.
Tilmann Reh
------------------------------
Date: 26 May 90 01:01:35 GMT
From: zephyr.ens.tek.com!orca.wv.tek.com!pogo!rickc@uunet.uu.net (Rick Clements)
Subject: CPM on the C128
Message-ID: <9136@pogo.WV.TEK.COM>
I have started trying to do something useful with the CP/M third of my C128.
There appears to be almost enough of a CP/M system to be useful. One thing
I am missing is LOAD. HELP refers to it as HEXCOM. But, neither are on the
system or utility disk.
My questions are:
1) For $20 comodore offers a CP/M manual and two utility disks. Does this
contain the basic utilties I need to get up and running?
2) Is there a better source for basic utilities? (I found several utilities
on a mail server, but I need to move at least UUDECODE across as a hex
file.)
--
Rick Clements (RickC@pogo.WV.TEK.COM)
------------------------------
Date: 25 May 90 17:31:17 GMT
From: swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!samsung!noose.ecn.purdue.edu!mentor.cc.purdue.edu!hopf.math.purdue.edu!wilker@ucsd.edu (Clarence Wilkerson)
Subject: floppy drive hardware
Message-ID: <11042@mentor.cc.purdue.edu>
Are there any cheap "bare board" kits for 64180's or Z280's out there,
say less than $50 for a PCB?
CT' mag in Germany used to sell this kind of stuff, but I have not
heard of suppliers in the USA for the hard core hardware hackers.
The BYTE Ciarcia board comes to mind, but is more money than I want to
spend on whim.
------------------------------
Date: 26 May 90 19:37:08 GMT
From: mcsun!unido!balu!tilmann%cosmo.UUCP@uunet.uu.net (Tilmann Reh)
Subject: floppy drive hardware
Message-ID: <5715@balu.UUCP>
dg@pallio.UUCP (David Goodenough) writes:
> So does the 1793. At least the 1793 in my Televideo 803 seems to talk quite
> happily to all four drives attached.
Of course it does. The hardware developers had to do by extra hardware what
the chip didn't support. As a result, it is impossible to step four drives
simultanously, while always watching all four 'READY' lines (just an example).
> I've worked with both the 1793, and the 765, and the
> software overhead for the 765 is way higher than that for the 1793.
Unless you try to achieve the overall comfort and performance of the 765,
I agree... (Just think of the 'READY changed' interrupt.)
> Fooling with the bits _DOES_ have it's advantages:
And it's disadvantages. All the troubles with different disk formats are
caused by people who wanted to create 'their own format', incompatible to
everything else (or to get slight features, thereby nevertheless becoming
incompatible). And now you try to argue for a format with different sector
sizes on one track. I strongly recommend that NOONE should ever use such a
format. This method, together with irregular sector (or track!) numbering
should be forbidden anyway. Not for the 765, but for some basic rules.
High disk capacities, OK. But only the legal way, s'il vous plait.
> I'll agree with that when I see it put 440K on a DS DD floppy.
Independent of the previous: please show me a member of the x79x family
with the whole floppy interface (as mentioned earlier) on a SINGLE CHIP !
Just fits in the gap between CPU and FDD. No glue logic, no clocks, no PLL,
even no drivers!
(You see, I'm hardware designer)
Tilmann Reh
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Date: 25 May 90 23:08:53 GMT
From: zephyr.ens.tek.com!gvgpsa!gold!grege@uunet.uu.net (Greg Ebert)
Subject: S-100 backplane
Message-ID: <1024@gold.GVG.TEK.COM>
Does anyone know where I can get a 4 to 8 slot S-100 backplane ? It can
be a 'bare board', or 'ready-to-go'. Thanks.
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Date: 25 May 90 17:49:28 GMT
From: pacbell.com!pacbell!pbhye!bjskelly@ames.arc.nasa.gov (Bruce J. Skelly)
Subject: SuperCalc2 for a Kaypro.
Message-ID: <2935@pbhye.PacBell.COM>
I got a copy of SC2 from a computer surplus store. $10 for the
software and manual, new. My copy was pre-configured for a morrow
computer, but it seems to me that there was some sort of configuration
utility included that allowed one to configure the software for any
given terminal. I think that most of the Morrow computers were
sold with a Liberty terminal, but the owner really could attach any
terminal they felt like. The configuration program patched the
executable. Perhaps that is all that you need. I'll look this weekend
to see if I can find my copy to verify what I've just said.
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Date: 25 May 90 15:17:56 GMT
From: mcsun!ukc!strath-cs!cs.glasgow.ac.uk!jack@uunet.uu.net (Jack Campin)
Subject: The Computer Journal
Message-ID: <5347@vanuata.cs.glasgow.ac.uk>
pvpullen@CRDEC2.APGEA.ARMY.MIL ("Paul V. Pullen") wrote:
> Does anyone have an address for the magazine The Computer Journal and a list
> of subscription costs? If so, please send it to me at the address below.
There are two of them. The British one is the official organ of the
British Computer Society, which makes it our equivalent of the CACM.
Subscriptions c/- Cambridge University Press, 32 East 57th Street, New
York, NY 10022. I don't have the current cost.
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Date: Fri, 25 May 90 09:53:07 PDT
From: rzh@lll-lcc.llnl.gov (Roger Hanscom)
Subject: Xerox 820... upgrade to DS/DD
Message-ID: <9005251653.AA11312@lll-lcc.llnl.gov>
Sorry to post this, but e-mail to ficc.ferranti.com failed.
Peter da Silva writes:
>I have a Xerox 820 with 2 SS/DD drives. Can I just get a couble of cheepy
>IBM-PC 360K drives and stick them in there to get DS/DD, or is there some
Unfortunately, Peter, the 820 is based on the WD 1771 controller which is
SD *only*. There are (were?) upgrade kits available for this beast to
make it DS/DD (390K on 5.25" diskettes). When applied to the 820, it
thinks it's a Kaypro. I did one, and jumped the clock to 5 MHz. The
result is a really nice machine! The vendor had connections to MicroC,
and was located in Aloha, Oregon. I can get more info, if you're in-
terested.
It also may be possible to put two DS drives on the vanilla 820, and
use sides as logical drives, i.e. A: is drive 1 side 1, B: is drive 1
side2, C: is drive 2 side1, etc. This works best with 8" drives, but
I think that you'll have only about 250K per side because each side
is formatted as standard SS/SD (26 128b sectors/track, 77 tracks).
roger rzh@lll-lcc.llnl.gov
Q: Know the difference between a terrorist and a woman with PMS?
A: One can negotiate with the terrorist!
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Subject: INFO-CPM Digest V90 #94
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INFO-CPM Digest Wed, 30 May 90 Volume 90 : Issue 94
Today's Topics:
CPM on the C128
Help! Televideo 803
SuperCalc2 for a Kaypro.
what is Symtel20
Xerox 820... upgrade to DS/DD
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Date: 29 May 90 15:04:00 GMT
From: mips!pacbell.com!pacbell!pbhye!bjskelly@apple.com (Bruce J. Skelly)
Subject: CPM on the C128
Message-ID: <2936@pbhye.PacBell.COM>
In article <9136@pogo.WV.TEK.COM>, rickc@pogo.WV.TEK.COM (Rick Clements) writes:
> My questions are:
> 1) For $20 Commodore offers a CP/M manual and two utility disks. Does this
> contain the basic utilities I need to get up and running?
I got my $20 package from CBM quite a few years ago. Included was a single
manual that consisted of three or four Digital Research CP/M 3.0 manuals.
Nothing in the manuals was C128 specific. On the disks were all the utilities
mentioned in the Digital Research documentation, including the HEXCOM that you
mention as well as MAC, RMAC, LIB, LINK, XREF, SID, the source code to the
BIOS, standard (Z80) and specific (8502) macro libraries for the assemblers.
When DR went from 2.X -> 3.0 some of the utilities were replaced with "new
and improved versions", Including LOAD(HEXCOM) and DDT(SID). The disks totaled
3 - C128, 1541 compatible single sided disks (one of the disks was a flippy).
Bottom line, I felt I got my moneys worth. Your mileage may vary.
Bruce
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Date: 29 May 90 23:54:05 GMT
From: sk1v+@andrew.cmu.edu (Susan Alane Keim)
Subject: Help! Televideo 803
Message-ID: <4aMkiRa00W0NAGh2tR@andrew.cmu.edu>
Hi all. I am new to CP/M, so be kind. My father was given a Televideo
TS-803 and he is looking for any of the database software that will run
on it. I have (cough) volunteered to help him set this up if ever we
find the software. Can someone tell me what I need to get (will any CP/M
stuff work, or must it have been made for the specific machine?) and how
I can get it? If anybody out there has what I would need, I would love
to hear from you.
Thanks a lot!
Susie Keim
Carnegie Mellon
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Date: 27 May 90 20:25:21 GMT
From: swrinde!emory!hubcap!ncrcae!ncr-sd!simasd!pnet07!donm@ucsd.edu (Don Maslin)
Subject: SuperCalc2 for a Kaypro.
Message-ID: <139@simasd.UUCP>
If the only problem is clearing the screen on the Kaypro, your solution is
easy. Fire up your favorite binary file editor (Edfile, for example), load
SC2.COM, and change location 01f5H from 0CH to 1AH. The clear screen commands
for the two units differ.
UUCP: {nosc ucsd crash ncr-sd}!pnet07!donm
ARPA: simasd!pnet07!donm@nosc.mil
INET: donm@pnet07.cts.com
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Date: 29 May 90 20:21:09 GMT
From: bnlux0!scottc@sbcs.sunysb.edu (david scott coburn)
Subject: what is Symtel20
Message-ID: <1902@bnlux0.bnl.gov>
What is 'Symtel20' and how do I reach it. I'm new to this newsgroup
(and newsgroups in general) so I'm afraid I will need a rather
complete explaination.
thanks,
scott coburn brookhaven national laboratory
scottc@max.bnl.gov [130.199.128.6] upton, ny, usa
--- 'Live and learn from fools and from sages.' Aerosmith ---
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Date: 29 May 90 05:29:43 PDT (Tuesday)
From: Sprague.WBST311@Xerox.COM
Subject: Xerox 820... upgrade to DS/DD
Message-ID: <900529-160937-2098@Xerox>
> I have a Xerox 820 with 2 SS/DD drives.
By the looks of it, Peter has an 820-II, not an 820. I have some comments
on Rogers message though.
While it's true that the Xerox 820 can ONLY handle single density, it can
indeed handle double sided drives, 5 1/4 or 8 inch. And yes, you can use
"cheepy IBM-PC 360K" drives on them ... you will just end up with DS/SD
drives.
As to the 820-II, I had a pair of "cheepy IBM-PC 360K" drives on mine. Let
me point out that you will want to use CONFIGUR, to change the step rate to
6 mS.
There is one thing to watch out for however, when converting a Xerox 829-II
(and 820 no doubt). That is the drive cable. Many of the single sided
disk cables are missing the wires carrying the signals needed for the
double sided drives. I no longer remember which ones, but if I remember
right, four wires are missing (two are grounds).
~ Mike
Sprague.Wbst311@Xerox.Com
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